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wallmasterz posted...

Weird situation all around

You don't say, good 12 hours of thinking on that

Corrik7 posted...

Someone ping hb mzero and red.

One of them has already put his foot down, so

Leafeon13N posted...

" scumteam bugged me to throw my safeclaim up there"

Was just feeling self conscious after others included their characters. But sure, red.

I don't think i gave any flavor when i claimed, but it seems like that's a thing people are doing so I'll include as well.

I'm Angel, if someone is collecting the flavors like we are the role list

Leafeon13N posted...

You are two steps up the conspiracy rung already.

So let's go there
Let's make our escape
Come on, let's go there
Let's ask can we stay?
Can you take me higher?
To a place where blind men see
Can you take me higher?
To a place with golden streets

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I never said anything about smiting people, and I don't remember anyone else saying anything like that.

Wallz and I agreed that if Ulti flipped scum, then there was probably funny business with the anti town faction(s) in some capacity.

Maybe Ulti got excited from the early sbell post because he thought he found another anti-town player/group and he wanted to get rid of him and look pretty for the rest of the game

It can't just be Kirby/ Abacus/ wallz/ plum left. No way.

One of them has to be town for hb to also be scum (assuming 5 total). Or mzero?

I'm honestly not super fond of moving into role meta territory for trying to solve the game on day fucking 2 but with the rber dead it's definitely less risky. I still wish we could just... look at who is a scummy shit and lynch them.

Corrik7 posted...

Oh the day ends today? I thought it was tomorrow. Hmmm. I'll miss deadline for sure tho

Yeah i had the same double-take.

I should be around until an hour or two before deadline.

##Unvote

Oh yeah and mzero.

I keep forgetting about him

Corrik7 posted...

Who is left to claim?

Kirby, death, red (who will act like a punk about it), wall. Who else? Is that it? IGCD

Hb

Oh the ^ was to lea's post.
Yinz talking so much

^

Also I'm sure you are truly have irl things, abacus (i am busy with work too this morning hence i couldn't contribute to the mass of posts) but it is funny timing giving lea called you out right before

Peace___Frog posted...

That would be a hilarious coincidence, with town power all outing themselves in the middle of day 2. But no i think there's probably one or two more real power roles if scum had two kills to use n1.

To expand on this, here is what is known:

• There were two kills n1
• There is a confirmed scum rb
• If we trust lopen (I do) then scum ALSO has a power thief

That's a lot of ways to fuck over town powers. So i think we're in a higher power game in general.

We have two vanillas dead. Two claimed (me and abacus, from what i see at the time of typing this).

Town has, claimed (none confirmed):

• Cop
• Watcher
• Doc
• Not-doc
• Other active power

So yeah i think even accounting for one or two of those claims being bs, town surely has a few more tricks up its sleeve that are currently hidden.

Yeah plum as doc doesn't sit right. How did you sit by so passively when Ulti claimed jk? You had your vote on lopen, who was instrumental in...
Dun dun dun!
Lynching said jk

Corrik7 posted...

Do you think every last person left will claim vanilla? 2 are already flipped.

That would be a hilarious coincidence, with town power all outing themselves in the middle of day 2. But no i think there's probably one or two more real power roles if scum had two kills to use n1.

Corrik7 posted...

Or you can just claim.

I did.

Doesn't help us sort out any power meta shenanigans

Lopen posted...

MASS.

Nilla

Kirby321 posted...

I don't get why you and Plum automatically jumped to Serial Killer.

Iirc plum's first reaction was Strongman or vig.

I agree with lopen that if abacus still has internet issues then ctes may want to consider a replacement. But isquen said he'd be gone for a while after he claimed, so it's really disingenuous to say that he's lying just because he suddenly left, or however you phrased it.

Gonna be honest, my head is kind of spinning a bit with these "if x then a but if x and y then b or maybe c" kind of arguments that are going on. I need to take a walk and reread because what the fuck.

Ok sure

##Unvote
##Vote: Kirby

I do want to lynch Kirby, it's true

Corrik is thinking about 5 levels above me so I'm not following it either, Plum.

This is not the first and will not be the last time that corrik lies about his night actions in order to get some reaction or result.

Well you're both scum so you should ping him in your chat.

Abacus at least said he had internet issues.

Well plum are you happy you made it to day 2, is this the kind of info you were hoping to have when you suggested nl on day 1?

Do you... know what Lea is going to claim, wallz?

I think Isquen got excited and was caught up in being fancy with his info.

But he still hasn't said his result, which a lot of this hinges on. So it makes sense why lopen is so frustrated and felt the need to claim too. He needs the doc protection since scum knows what he is, and isquen claimed totally unprompted which puts lopen in a shitload of danger.

Yeah and then he landed on... Kirby???

I mean, I and others obviously want Kirby lynched. Is he trying to get on a few good sides after rustling a lot of feathers?

wallmasterz posted...

I didnt think Corrik was joking at all, but maybe it went over my head. Ill re-read later

Jokes are hard, man. Happened to me too earlier.

Whoops new topic

Lopen posted...

Wait what the heck I totally missed Isquen's claim

Why

I definitely buy lopen but this is so incredibly funny to me. Do we ever need more evidence that lopen can get overly focused on his perspective of the game?

Lopen posted...

Wait what the heck I totally missed Isquen's claim

Why

I definitely buy lopen but this is so incredibly funny to me. Do we ever need more evidence that lopen can get overly focused on his perspective of the game?

Xeno
Spire

Lopen posted...

Anyway

I'm leaning back towards Kirby being scum. Probably scum GF that scumteam is soft bussing to try and get a scan on him.

Kirby just hasn't shown an actual inclination towards attempting to think today.

My official guess at this time is

Lea
Plum
Kirby
IGCD

But not a lot of faith in those last two. Lot of contenders there. Lot of people lurking and playing lazy makes it hard.

I didn't want to ask earlier and distract you from the plum/lea bit that you've been focusing on. But what do you make of corrik/ isquen?

masterplum posted...

That was intentional?

I wasn't in that game

I cohosted but didn't read every post in the game.

And yes it was completely on purpose and planned by Chris.

masterplum posted...

I am just mystified if town Lopen could possibly believe the words he is posting.

As if scum Ulti suiciding into Lea to make Lea look good D1 is even a remotely possible plan to pull off let alone a good plan.

I have literally never seen a plan that detailed carried out D1 by scum. Ever. In a decade and a half.

After D1? Sure. Ive definitely had my fair share of ruses, but on D1 that literally never happens

Did it not just work for Lea, Sultan, and Chris?

I still think Lea is town, but let's not disparage lopen about it.

Corrik, i don't understand what about isq's play was so bad. He didn't want to out a potential power role, yeah? You're arguing that the person has to be scum from his perspective but now you're saying it was you and you're not scum... if i am ever watcher, how would you prefer i play it out?

I think this explains the "wtf did you just say to me" reaction that isq had when ben made his tidus comment.

Yeah i definitely buy the claim, and i like that he didn't share the full info. Death's reaction is one i do not like.

Mobile is acting up on me so i apologize for the ugliness here.

Kirby said...

.. Hold on. Looking back on what I posted, maybe I didn't clarify something properly.

I brought up Ulti never suspecting Lea as reason that she is more or less confirmed Town, Peaf, because that's an important contradiction to Ulti's behavior at the end of Day 1, where he outright suspected Lea.

Ok, let's take a step back.

Peace___Frog posted...

It sounds to me like Kirby knows a lot more info than is publicly known. Ulti was scum so trusting in any of his "he didn't suspect this person" and then using it to make some actual player assessment is pretty wild!

This isn't like "oh Ulti and lea are linked" which is lopen's argument. This from Kirby says "well Ulti honestly thought Lea was town so what can we do with that info".

This is my interpretation of events based on how you yourself characterized ulti's actions, here:

Kirby321 posted...

Ulti never suspected Lea, and this just proves he thought she was Town. A bit of a redundant case since this just punches further holes in whatever stunt Ulti tried to pull off yesterday, but I think this further makes Lea look good.

You're now saying that you're operating off of what Ulti said his reads were, and his flip flop on lea is what convinced you he was scum? I guess I'm struggling with why it took you so many words and playing around at the edges of the conversation to just... say that.

Do you feel like you need to defend your d1 actions retroactively like this? You had already had your vote on ulti early yesterday. I get that you're defending lea from lopen, but it feels like you're taking a lot of jumps to get to some pretty basic things.

Are you just taking random unrelated quotes from yourself to confuse me, or did you misclick

Kirby321 posted...

If you isolate that without context, yes, that looks bad and that I'm jumping to conclusions.

... Because I am. You can't ignore the part where I tell Lopen why I don't buy his argument, nor the part where I thought Lea was town throughout the whole kerfuffle between her and Ulti yesterday.

I thought about the evidence and made a conclusion before I made that post. Perhaps I didn't present it in a sensible order, but I did explain how I made that conclusion. Isolating it in a vacuum completely undermines that. This is the same deal as Death putting "fakeclaiming" in that post of Ulti and you and Ben jumped on it unnecessarily; Death was clearly implying that Ulti was scum with that verbage.

Tbf i haven't discounted that from death!

I'll be honest, I don't really understand your argument at all. Your post doesn't make sense from any perspective.

Oh yeah i look like shit as far as my Ulti stuff goes. I don't dispute that at all, red.

I didn't see the thing against him early on that mzero saw, and it wasn't until lopen and lea turned the heat up on him later on that i began to come around on him. I was like plum and kind of wrote Ulti off as being Ulti, but it was obviously an Ulti that wanted attention.

And at the end of day i was freaked out by how quiet it was. At the time i said i could see it from either perspective (quiet bc scum is cutting their losses, or quiet bc scum is content with the lynch) and it made me question things.

I didn't call out wallz because he said Ulti was being different. I called out wallz because he said "I suppose [ulti] could be a town role he doesnt want to draw attention." And that was so entirely divorced from everything about ulti that was going on.

Kirby321 posted...

I supported the rest of my argument with why scum Ulti + scum Lea doesn't make sense to me, with my little paragraph addressed to Lopen.

We all have to agree that Ulti turning on Lea was a complete 180, right? It could be bussing, but why? What would motivate scum Ulti and scum Lea to pull off a stunt that all but assures Ulti, the scum Roleblocker, dies? It just doesn't make sense to me.

I think you're missing my point, Kirby.

Kirby321 posted...

Ulti never suspected Lea

Maybe I'm getting too bone-headed again, but this sentence changes entirely with the absence of "pretended to" or whatever conjugation you'd use.

But then you follow it up with
Kirby321 posted...

this just proves he thought she was Town

How in the world are you making that conclusion???

Lopen? Theorizing? Well I never

Puella Magi Madoka Magica

Should have added an asterisk at the top that says "in the recent past" because obviously i don't know what crazy things you folks did when i wasn't watching

wallmasterz posted...

Peaf since you said you think there may be funny business in the set up, what do you think that could look like?

We've seen games with:

• 1 indy
• 2 indies
• Hidden scum that the team doesn't even know about
• Cult scum that has 2 recruits

So i think the only thing we can say right now is there's probably not 5/17 scum who know who each other are.
Which makes this comment stand out more:

Kirby321 posted...

Ulti never suspected Lea, and this just proves he thought she was Town

It sounds to me like Kirby knows a lot more info than is publicly known. Ulti was scum so trusting in any of his "he didn't suspect this person" and then using it to make some actual player assessment is pretty wild!

This isn't like "oh Ulti and lea are linked" which is lopen's argument. This from Kirby says "well Ulti honestly thought Lea was town so what can we do with that info".

You'll note that Kirby is still on my list and I spent most of my post on him earlier this page. Sorry I'm not a double voter.

I said at the start of day that i wanted plum in conversation too. No one else followed us onto Kirby. So I'm going over to my number 2.

Oh dammit, ninja'd.

[3] Plum - Mzero, Abacus, Peaf
[2] Lea - Lopen, IGCD
[1] Kirby - (Isquen), Lea, (Peaf)
[1] Lopen - Plum

##Unvote
##Vote: Plum

[2] Lea - Lopen, IGCD
[2] Plum - Mzero, Peaf
[1] Kirby - (Isquen), Lea, (Peaf)
[1] Lopen - Plum

Missed one bold on the corrik vote from Ulti there, but as a wise man once said:
You must live with the regret of your typos.

I know corrik is saying that igcd plays haphazardly... but he really came across as confused and wrong town at end of day. I agreed with him that the silence was a little bit eery and that the fact no lynch alternatives popped up was weird. But it was way too late when he came in to try something different, like Lea pointed out at the time.

Maybe I'm too forgiving on "wrong" when it comes to scumminess. But i still think igcd is town even after my reread.

[7] Ulti - MZero, SBell, (Lopen), Kirby, (Abacus), (Lopen), Lea, Lopen, Wallz, Death
[2] Lopen - Plum, IGCD
[2] Kirby - Ben, (Lea), Red
[1] Lea - (Ulti), Corrik, (Ulti)
[1] Corrik - Abacus, (Ulti)
[1] Red - Ulti
[0] Ben - (Red), (Lopen), (Ulti)
[0] Wallz - (Peaf), (Lea), (Lopen)
[0] Plum - (IGCD), (Lopen), (Ulti)
[0] Peaf - (Isquen)
[0] SBell - (Ben), (Ulti), (IGCD)
[0] Lopen - (Ulti), (Ulti)

Ulti really took a page out of the Chris book and said "I'm going to have the most day 1 votes as scum".

Of the votes on Ulti i think that wallz and death look the worst, since he was basically already buried at that time. Abacus looks bad for getting off Ulti onto an easy "inactive" corrik.

Kirby... he himself said he was half joking with his vote (t1.307). And voted for Ulti because his vote on lopen was bad.

That early in day 1, nothing was set in stone. I think Kirby wanted to distance himself from Ulti, but then ulti dug himself into a deeper and deeper hole and he couldn't detach without it looking bad.

I also want to call out t2.451 from ben, against Kirby - he was really trying to pressure Kirby on his reads and reasons.

So yeah after some votal review i think Kirby is scum and there could also be one scum in Wallz, death, or Abacus. Maaaaaybe two, but I refuse to believe it could be 3.