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Topic	Why are people upset about the athletes kneeling
Muscles 07/27/20 2:17:31 PM #47	There is more productive ways to protest imo, a protest won't be successful if you just piss everyone off that you want to come to your side --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Why are people upset about the athletes kneeling
Muscles 07/27/20 2:04:58 PM #45	I have no idea, that's what they think though, and it's well known that's what they think I'm not trying to defend that idea because it is stupid --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Why are people upset about the athletes kneeling
Muscles 07/27/20 2:01:41 PM #43	Nichtcrawler X posted... Because blindly following and defending traditions, leads to blind patriotism, leads to just blindly following orders? Thinking about and reminding people of the "why" is a good thing. I think you read that in the wrong tone, I'm not saying it's right I'm just showing what both sides think on the matter, it has been well known what both sides think, I think both sides are stupid personally --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Why are people upset about the athletes kneeling
Muscles 07/27/20 1:51:23 PM #41	The left thinks kneeling is just protesting and the right thinks it's disrespect towards soldiers that fought and died for this country, I'm not sure why anyone would need to ask this anymore Honestly I think it would have been better to stop kneeling early, not because it's disrespectful but because pissing off half the country is gonna make it harder for your movement to make any change --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Take me to the leader of this board
Muscles 07/27/20 1:35:17 PM #19	Em_gai posted... Ive seen this acronym but I forgot what it means and why it was said to me. probably same reason; me being Vietnamese I guess? It's the creepy uncle of this place --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Why aren't women allowed to be cocky?
Muscles 07/27/20 1:31:32 PM #5	I expected a punchline and got whatever the fuck this is --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Take me to the leader of this board
Muscles 07/27/20 4:56:58 AM #8	We're hippies, there is no hierarchy here --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Chinese Trump Supporter calls BLM HYPOCRITES and is BANNED on Campus!!!
Muscles 07/27/20 1:45:21 AM #5	Revelation34 posted... He did nothing wrong. This, he got attacked over nothing now it might drive him further to the right --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Regis Phillbin
Muscles 07/27/20 12:37:14 AM #11	R.I.P. hopefully he gets to host a show or 2 in the afterlife --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Swastika wearing TRUMP SUPPORTERS are now BANNED from WALMART!!!
Muscles 07/27/20 12:20:54 AM #4	I say let them keep wearing swastikas, that way everyone can know that they're bad people --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Voter Suppression
Muscles 07/26/20 4:27:19 PM #10	I have no problem making an ID necessary as long as you also make IDs free to get since no one should have to pay for their right to vote --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/26/20 4:22:19 PM #107	I_Always_Die posted... good point. why do people saying Led Zeppelin is the greatest when Mozart and Beethoven were way more technically skilled? its like they know nothing about music! @Muscles I have repeatedly said that classical is the best most skilled genre, but I guess you got me Led Zeppelin is still in the elite tier, they were all virtuosos --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/26/20 3:57:54 PM #103	DirtBasedSoap posted... okay, way to miss the point. what Im saying is that complexion/simplicity is subjective when it comes to music and isnt inherently good or bad That's why I keep bringing up points to agree with that, Blink 182 is simple but I love them, AC/DC is simple but I love them, Weezer is simple but I love them, there isn't anything wrong with liking simple artists, like 95% of artists of all genres (outside of classical/orchestral) aren't that complex, including most of what I listen to We should judge personal preference on a different scale from proficiency but a lot of people just like to insert favorite artist is the greatest It's like if your favorite player was CP3 so you said he was the greatest --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Had Wendys... .... 1/10
Muscles 07/26/20 3:40:49 PM #30	Sarcasthma posted... The music snob is right. People shouldn't be food snobs. Music snob? I think you have me confused for someone that didn't say they love some low quality bands. Trying to be objective about music complexity isn't the same as being a snob, especially when you say bands you love don't fall into the top category, there is only a small over lap of artists I love and artists that deserve to be recognized for their virtuosity/greatness as musicians --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/26/20 3:05:34 PM #98	DirtBasedSoap posted... one of the greatest bands of all time (the white stripes) was literally all about simplicity and the beauty of limiting yourself. technical prowess isnt the end-all, be-all in any art form. That's not what Taylor swift is though, she writes simple nothing songs, go listen to shake it off and tell me that's not super generic Compare it to When the Levee Breaks or Child in Time and tell me with a straight face it isn't objectively simpler --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	If you could automatically be good at something, what would you want it to be?
Muscles 07/26/20 2:50:31 PM #16	Making successful businesses, then I can be good at anything --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	What percent of women cheat?
Muscles 07/26/20 3:46:07 AM #27	THEGODDAMNBATMA posted... The results of this poll really shows how fragile men are if they get no coochie. I voted 21-30% though --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Had Wendys... .... 1/10
Muscles 07/26/20 3:39:52 AM #21	I can only see hating wendy's if you are a snob about food, it's definitely top tier fast food --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/26/20 2:40:09 AM #92	Ok fine I'll cut that prerequisite from the conversation, is it too much to want virtuosos to get respect for their virtuosity? --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/26/20 1:55:15 AM #90	Sarcasthma posted... You're allowed to like things I don't like, but you have to say that that stuff you like isn't actually good. -Muscles More like, "you can like whatever you want but don't lose sight of the fact that what you like isnt some grand masterpiece" And that's ok, I like simple stuff, Blink 182 wasn't especially talented or that great of song writers and that's ok, not every band is going to be a group of virtuosos and you may not like them but you should at least recognize their virtuosity --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/26/20 1:10:51 AM #87	JigsawTDC posted... What are you defining as "substance" and why does "catchiness" mean that a song isn't good? Lol, you're the one who said there's no pop artists pushing the boundaries of music, when there's plenty. Many of whom I mentioned, such as Lana Del Rey and Kacey Musgraves, are not "lesser known" and 100% part of the mainstream. You can't scientifically prove that music is getting "worse". Let's look at the actual abstract instead of your sensationally headlined article. https://www.nature.com/articles/srep00521 While this implies music is becoming more homogenized, it's pretty easy to see that they are only judging that based on three criteria. And at only just over 400,000 songs, I'd say that's a pretty limited dataset considering the conclusions they're trying to imply. Regardless, my point isn't that mainstream music isn't getting more similar, because I think there's some truth to that, especially in mainstream country. My point is that there's plenty of mainstream artists that don't fall into that trap, Taylor Swift being one of them, and that trying to imply a whole genre lacks artistic merit is disingenuous, especially when you don't actually engage with that genre of music. You also seem to be under the impression that mainstream pop encompasses the whole of pop, when it doesn't. Pop music as a whole is not getting more similar, there are plenty of artsits pushing boundaries, and you don't have to look that far to find them. Also, a quote from another article covering the same study that I think is relevant: "In the end, music is all about personal preference. While music may be becoming less refined, if the listener likes it, that's all that really matters. For me, music is best when it brings me joy, not when it lends to my feeling of self-importance for liking what I consider to be elite. So as you recount this study to your friends with that feeling of vindication, remember no one like a music snob." So even people reporting on this study think you're being elitist lol. 1. Catchiness isn't inherently bad but you shouldn't be writing just to be catchy 2. I didn't say or mean to imply that pop as a whole is bad, I actually quite enjoy certain parts of pop, but that's mostly 80s stuff which was definitely more original, I even enjoy Lorde and Adele to some extent 3. I never said there is anything wrong with liking pop music, even the more basic pop, hell you can even like kid rock if you want, I just think people should admit what they like is simple and manufactured art and not all that impressive compared to a symphony or funk song or prog song, etc --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/25/20 10:44:27 PM #77	JigsawTDC posted... "On the level" is, again, your own personal parameters. I can appreciate King Crimson, Miles Davis, and Funkadelic "on the level" I appreciate Taylor Swift and Carly Rae Jepsen. I think those genres you listed generally require a technical level of musicianship to accomplish their intent, but I don't think that necessarily equates "originality" and "talent" (I personally find Dream Theater dreadfully dull and not interesting at all, for example). Talent can be making a simple song that resonates with people around the globe. And there are pop artists pushing the boundaries of music and I already gave you examples. FKA twigs and Grimes are a couple more examples. Bjork and Robyn have been pushing the boundaries of pop for decades. You don't listen to pop and you don't know what you're talking about as a result. You're letting your dislike of a genre prevent you from understanding and appreciating it, which is fine, you do you. But it's wrong to say pop music lacks artistic merit just because you don't get it. Any professional critic worth engaging with is going to back me on this. I CAN appreciate pop but it has been going downhill since the 90s and it started going towards more catchiness and less substance You can point out whatever lesser known artists you want but the big artists have been writing less of their own music over the past few decades and it has been getting more similar https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/science-proves-pop-music-has-actually-gotten-worse-8173368/ #:~:text=That%20means%20that%20songs%20are,different%20melodies%20has%20gone%20down. --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/25/20 10:07:25 PM #73	Come on, you can't say pop music is on the level of prog, funk, jazz, classical, etc. As far as originality and talent go. You can like whatever you want but don't act like modern pop artists are some virtuosos pushing the boundaries of music --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/25/20 9:44:43 PM #71	I never said songwriting isnt important, it's the most important thing in fact, Floyd wrote better than they were technically (though they were gods at their instruments too, but not on the level of, say, dream theater) but taylor swift isn't even a writer, she gets her songs from song writing agencies like most pop artists. When I say mass produced I mean their songs are written for them by Max Martin/dr. Luke/whatever agency, you know pop music is all getting more similar and less original --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/25/20 9:06:04 PM #68	How is it being elitist to say what I like isn't the best/most skilled? Idc if people like low quality stuff but at least admit it, I like pop punk, and I can admit it's low quality, if you like simple mass produced music admit it. I'm not saying it's wrong to like swift but be honest about it. --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/25/20 8:30:42 PM #66	JigsawTDC posted... Lol this topic went to some weird places. Judging musicians by their "artistic merit" but writing off Taylor Swift is frankly just out of touch and shows a bias to whatever your personal tastes are. Not everyone has the same tastes. Not everyone needs to be into Taylor Swift, but to claim you're judging "artistic merit" to justify your taste is just disingenuous. Personally, I'll give anything a shot and I have a pretty eclectic taste as a result. Country, pop, metal, punk, rap, hip-hop, R&B, jazz, noise, experimental, etc. I love it all. And I think if you're preemptively closing yourself off to any genre or artist then you're not going to have an informed opinion. Which, again, is fine, but you look silly if you just want to rant about how superior your taste is just because you like Led Zeppelin and not Taylor Swift. I get your point but you're wrong because I'm not just saying what I like is good and what I don't like is bad. I'm not a fan of classical/orchestral but it is the genre with the highest level of skill, funk is right up there too, and those are genres I don't like, I also like pop punk and that's pretty low on artistic merit --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/25/20 3:56:24 PM #49	DirtBasedSoap posted... okay well youre mixing up definitions What should I have said instead of popular? Because Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are huge culturally --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/25/20 3:47:30 PM #45	DirtBasedSoap posted... yeah, when you tried to use Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin as examples of how much better pop music was back then when they werent pop at all back then That comparison was simply talented artists that were also really popular to show you can be popular and good, not specifically the genre of pop music --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/25/20 3:41:04 PM #42	DirtBasedSoap posted... Im so conflicted on zeppelin though like yeah, jimmy page is amazing but also he and David Bowie tag-teamed 14 year olds all the time so that kinda taints it for me You can separate the art from the artist and enjoy the music while also not supporting the artist DirtBasedSoap posted... okay but thats not what pop music means Pop music is a genre, and doesn't necessarily have to be the most popular thing around, did I imply otherwise? --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/25/20 3:32:51 PM #38	I was talking about popularity, you don't have to be pop music to be popular --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/25/20 3:29:34 PM #36	You really think bands like Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin suck? If you have no taste you can just say that --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/25/20 3:24:58 PM #34	ParanoidObsessive posted... Popular =/= automatically not good, either. And in spite of what hipsters believe, "obscure as fuck" =/= good either. There's definitely a tendency to dismiss any popular performer as being crap though, even when they're not. Whether you like her music or not (and no one is saying you have to), she's a more skilled musician and singer than pretty much anyone posting on PotD at the moment. The reasons most people dislike her have very little to do with her actual music, and more to do with her as a person. Ok, let's judge musicians by their artistic merit and leave popularity out of it, she sucks, there was huge bands like the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Michael Jackson, etc. that are all popular because they were good and had some originality. Today's pop music is trash though because they've taken the art out of it --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	I beat Battlefront 2. It was meh.
Muscles 07/25/20 3:16:47 PM #2	The original Battlefront II was the GOAT though --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	The only system I ever had fail on me...
Muscles 07/25/20 12:55:38 PM #3	DDirtyDastard posted... The US Judicial System has failed me on numerous occasions. --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	What's the male version of a Karen called?
Muscles 07/25/20 12:42:17 PM #19	It's still Karen because any dude willing to whine to a manager about the fries not being salty enough needs to turn in his man card --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/24/20 10:09:31 PM #13	I wasn't intending it to be a burn or joke, I'm serious --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Have you guys listened to Taylor Swift's new album yet?
Muscles 07/24/20 10:07:17 PM #11	I'm not a masochist so no --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	mfw people tweet 'communism sucks' from their fone built w/chinese labor
Muscles 07/22/20 8:42:50 PM #19	All of civilization is built upon the foundation of blood, no civilization has ever had clean hands --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	How severe are you with the ignore user feature?
Muscles 07/22/20 3:42:55 AM #2	I've only blocked a legion of troll alts from the NFLB --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Ok so if someone sees your dick, but you don't see their's...
Muscles 07/21/20 8:40:42 PM #6	Neither, it's only gay if their balls touch --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Imagine a future where technology deliberately progresses into primitive things
Muscles 07/21/20 1:56:38 PM #5	blu posted... But also he'd be able to punch you because you'd have to say that to his face. Not really, he would have to leave his room first --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Do you believe the universe is deterministic or stochastic?
Muscles 07/20/20 9:32:59 PM #36	I think it'll be a combination of both tbh, probably more on the technological side though because it'll just be faster --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Who is your favorite TV scientist?
Muscles 07/20/20 9:25:32 PM #10	Walter White --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Do you believe the universe is deterministic or stochastic?
Muscles 07/20/20 9:24:04 PM #32	Probably somewhere in between both, I don't think it is fully determined or random but we are limited in knowing for sure until we evolve further --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Which is your favorite fast food place?
Muscles 07/20/20 1:25:09 AM #19	Burger King is just an even worse McDonald's --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Do you find yourself more attracted to "mom bods" as you get older?
Muscles 07/19/20 2:36:54 PM #2	What're mom bods? --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
Topic	Do you wear a mask in Public?
Muscles 07/18/20 9:52:18 PM #12	Indoors, yes Outdoors, sometimes, I'll have it ready but if no one is around me I'll wait to put it on --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies
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