Lurker > MZero

I am surprised you didnt ask Red why you were scummy, Mzero

Also I think I trust myself and scum is in:
1) Abacus
2) Corrik
4) Hb
7) Kirby
10) MZero
11) Peaf

What were hoping to achieve with your gambit? It has a lot of moving parts that could backfire. Do you see why it is anti-town yet? You took what you felt was safe and inserted a lot of fake information into the game which can mislead reads, with no end game at all to achieve expected value from it.

You either don't claim at all or you claim all your information.

Isquen real claiming watcher never makes sense

Isquen doesn't have to claim now. I have already proven he was full of it and being anti-town.

I never said Isquen is scum, Plum. I said I am going to shoot him knowing he is town if he doesn't stop playing anti-town and his role wrong. You either don't claim at all or you claim all your information.

The person that visited Lea is assuredly scum.

I visited Lea last night.

Also wait, who targeted Lea?

i'd also arguably take lebron and AD over phoenix's top guys too. durant is ultra-fragile and every time i check a suns box score CP3 is scoring like single-digits now.

And also to what point? Defend him harder to lynch someone else with a 25-33% chance of being scum?

Yeah, I did post skepticism at a JK claim

Been working not sure what exactly I'm responding to. Ulti claiming jailkeeper? Eh, pretty flimsy claim. I would need to read ulti to see if that lines up.

Also it's kind of weird death asked me to respond to this? Unless I missed something

It went up because there was no attempt whatsoever for an alternate train. Very odd for scum to just latch on to a teammate like that. Means that scum either were on him early and couldnt get off or were mostly afk

I'm not underselling anything. The initial "Slip" that Ulti was lying about his employment status that led to the cascade against him was complete bullshit.

It was

Completely inappropriate to use as a mafia argument
Completely independent of his alignment

I would have defended him harder but his jailkeeper claim didn't match his play. That was the first thing he did where I went "Huh, I guess we will role with this I suppose because its not like people are going to no lynch" instead of "This is a scum driven train"

So if I am reading this right. Everyone is on ulti because

1. He said he didn't know how to play jailkeep when he was the role before and allegedly died early
2. Didn't act in a way consistent with being a jailkeep
3. Something about character select flavor meta

This doesn't seem wildly different from all the things he did in paper mario as town.

I give Ulti somewhere between a 25-33% chance of being scum

People assuming town ulti would have fought harder don't know ulti.

After careful reconsideration I give him

a 25% chance of being scum

Arguing about ulti here is pointless. Ulti just.... does things. The last game he was in I tried to get him lynched by pointing out how wildly inconsistent he was

He was wildly inconsistent and town

Oh I dont care if you vote me or not. Ive just tried to go over this a dozen times and people usually are too dense to piece it together. Ill give you the quick version.

People experienced at being scum are usually pretty good at acting the same way as they do when they are town. The difference is they know who their scum team is and that affects their votes. Sometimes this makes scum think their teammates are more obvious than they are so they vote them for slips that arent apparent. Sometimes they ignore them entirely.

But everything up to the vote is near meaningless. Town changes their mind more often than scum does, so basically everything Ulti said was nearly worthless. The interesting part is where his vote comes down at the end of the day and does it matchup with what he said.

People are terrible at mafia. Just full stop. I am not excluded from this. I would hope last game where everyone shot town proved that to you.

The reason I mostly have stepped away from mafia outside of replacing in after stuff has happened is Ive grown tired of people thinking they are the special snowflake who definitely knows who scum is this game. It happens every game over the last 15 years.

But of course me saying that Im not going to bother investing a lot of effort because I know there isnt enough information yet makes people think Im scummy. Its morbidly hilarious.

Ive been trying to do that for years now!

I think argument is good to give someone a chance to slip up terribly and get their opinions on record, but I think you should NL Day 1 80% of the time or so.

Even if you dont get a scan, the night kill gives info

I'm still really confused how I got tied to ulti other than saying nothing he did was outside the range of what ulti does. What a strong defense

Arguing about ulti here is pointless. Ulti just.... does things. The last game he was in I tried to get him lynched by pointing out how wildly inconsistent he was

He was wildly inconsistent and town

This is both a town tell by Ulti doing weird ulti stuff and a town tell by sbell being loud wrong

Good oll 2 for one right here!

Yes, it completely matches what town ulti did when I was scum with him.

Which is be completely inconsistent

Why would he lie about this as scum

masterplum posted... People experienced at being scum are usually pretty good at acting the same way as they do when they are town. The difference is they know who their scum team is and that affects their votes. Sometimes this makes scum think their teammates are more obvious than they are so they vote them for slips that arent apparent. Sometimes they ignore them entirely.

The votes are bad. Ulti just voted me for thinking I was caught. Do I need to post the inconceivable meme? How would that change anything? If anything me arguing taints him would just make him double down and be more sure that he should kill me because thats how people react when their beliefs are directly confronted

Oh hey I was thinking someone who avoided the lynch entirely was probably scum as well

Maybe we found him!

Arguing about ulti here is pointless. Ulti just.... does things. The last game he was in I tried to get him lynched by pointing out how wildly inconsistent he was

He was wildly inconsistent and town

Can't believe I re-read the Baby gravy sentence like 4 times trying to figure out what you were talking about

what NBA player has the name closest to an AA name? metta world peace? carlos boozer?

don't use onions. Best solution since onions are terrible.

Arguing about ulti here is pointless. Ulti just.... does things. The last game he was in I tried to get him lynched by pointing out how wildly inconsistent he was

He was wildly inconsistent and town

was I king twice or was sultan?

I will be honest and say I didn't even see anything odd about the sentence at first and thought Sbell just meant to say what he claims he now said.

I suppose its worth keeping in mind if he flips scum tho.

I want to disagree with you Ulti
on Sbell being pessimistic as scum but not as town.
Because there were times where I had to kick his town ass into gear with a scan or something and I dont think he was very depressed as scum that one game I tried to doctor him
..
Then again that shows my reads of scumbell havent always been 100 % either

I don't watch videos or read flow charts.

who did ulti claim to be?

Vote: Lea

Were not doing this bullshit image junk anymore.

I am putting my foot down yes.

In what world is voting somebody because their images failed to embed properly a serious vote? I thought your vote on Ulti was also joking along, MZero, but was your vote also serious?

Even I was poking fun at Ulti because his reason for voting Lea was so hilariously bad that I didn't think it was actually serious. Curious what made you think it was.

Actually, better than fine. I decided to hard town clear Red ever since this post

My vote is a total joke, but Ive made a mental note that Lea actually seems bothered by it for some reason.

Meanwhile Mzero is just standing there

....menacingly!

Ulti, you have earned my follow. Better get on them scum lynches so we can win.