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Will do.

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Scream 1 was much better than expected

Wouldn't really say I'm a fan though.

The speakers do matter. Like if you have really tinny/cheap sounding speakers you'll hear Yanny more I believe. I know I had a cheap pair of headphones and I got Yanny off of those super easy last time then when I played it off of my better PC speakers I would get Laurel.

100 gemmed master dual awakening that's pretty awesome

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MarkS222222222222222 posted...

They're too big compared to the other buttons, at least on mobile, and also for something you're usually only going to use once per board if ever.

Yes.

Like forget the coding being junk this design decision makes no sense aesthetically.

It was fine where it was really. If anything the more common functions should have the gaudy buttons if you must have them.

Sure

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I wouldn't really consider it fixed, just less broken.

Amputation is the only fix. It's an eyesore.

You could probably hire a web dev that would do a better job than 95% of the design changes for a few hundred bucks.

Not hourly, total. A couple of hours of work every time something gets added at like $50/hour.

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Vivi > Kuja > Moguta > the rest for those keeping score at home.

Moguta is no joke the third best FFIX character in this contest

I used to hear Yanny, trained myself to be able to hear Laurel (involved playing it at a different speed I think)

Now we replay years later and I hear Laurel. Did I permanently change the tuning of my hearing or something ha ha.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

I do think it's (a lot) more likely that heard is the liar here

Then no that quote is not "pretty much how you feel about the situation" lol

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Oh yeah my first Castlevania game was Simon's Quest. That probably counts too.

Tough one.

My first Grand Theft Auto game was GTA London for the PS1 which is really the only remotely good answer I can think of at the moment.

All other series I can think of I either started with the first one or a popular entry.

I don't have to read forced attempts to make dunkmaster meme humor this year good

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I like Coulson but he was one of the weaker characters left for me. But I've never watched shield either

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Trading for Spider-Man auto.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

it just ignores the police worship that goes on by and large in politics and in the media

It's more that I think a lot of people come to the conclusion that "all cops are bad" entirely because of this (and the flip side, the pieces out there that expose the bad things some cops do) and nothing Kenri has said has convinced me that he has any practical real world experience that leads to an actual informed viewpoint of the police or crime or anything else of that sort.

The thing is, if you're dealing with absolutes, you actually need some real world exposure to how the police system actually works, how crime actually works, and the people involved in both. You need to know that while politics and media glorifying policework is wrong, that doesn't make the media out there that exposes wrongdoing the typical state of affairs either. Both are media sensationalizing, because no one wants to read about the routine stuff. Detention Center work for many counties in particular I think makes me more aware of just how many people are in jail actually deserve to be and are just terrible people, and for every time cops are dicks to them I'm sure they're dick to the cops that many more times over. And there are also plenty of inmates who are completely fine, and get along completely fine with the detention center officers as well, because not every person in a prison is inherently a terrible person either. I also know that at least some "corrupt" cops in some jurisdictions get caught and quietly dealt with-- there is in fact disciplinary action for some, even if it doesn't get a ton of (or necessarily any) media coverage, it's clear that some personnel changes are not a result of a sudden desire to change careers and you can kinda piece things together. Don't want to get into too much details here but yeah.

And you also have to realize that as people, every story like Crescent's out there could possibly be the cop having a bad day due to some other person that was NOT reasonable and being on edge due to it. Because they're people, not robots. They get rattled by things sometimes.

I am glad we get the pieces out there that paint law enforcement in a negative light. I think as we get more and more of those we'll be closer to the reform the system needs. But it's important to not go too far on the other end, too. Blind hate towards police or trying to delude yourself into thinking everyone who takes the job is fulfilling some power fantasy is not productive and comes off as hate speech more than anything, and trying to paint every person who is in prison as a victim of police misconduct until proven guilty is an even more gross misrepresentation of the real world than putting the police on a pedestal.

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I'm not trying to convince myself I'm trying to convince you

But if it was that easy prejudice wouldn't exist in the first place

Like I must stress my point wasn't that "hey, Police are good people"

It's "Police are people" and we should treat them like we'd treat any other people and that people by and large don't become police officers because they want to oppress people (nor do they by and large do it because they want to help people, for that matter-- they do it for money, just like every other person who works a job).

When I call you a "police hating sheep" that's because that's what you come off as when you say "well I don't know whether to believe Amber Heard (someone who has a well established history of lying and exhibiting the behavior the officer claims) or random police officer (who you know literally nothing about aside from them being a police officer)"

It's literally the exact same logic process hate groups use to dehumanize and vilify their targets, right down to deluding yourself into believing that it's okay to have this broad strokes hate because you'll be on the right side of history when all the corruption is brought to light.

agesboy posted...

have you ever tried to have a calm conversation about religion, gun rights, or cops in the deep south when you're heavily outnumbered by people with very strong opinions about those things? they see red immediately if you disrespect any of them

Yes. I have. I've learned to avoid those topics very well among my clients that are very conservative, of which there are many. Friends that are, not so much, because well, people who are very much into these things don't tend to be my friends. I have a couple of friends that are kinda into gun rights but yeah it's easy enough to just not discuss that.

But yeah it's not that they disagreed or that he was shouted out of the room, it's how he presented the story that makes me not believe his story. It pings me in a bad way. I mean whatever if he's telling the truth he's telling the truth-- nothing to gain from convincing me of that and means little if I believe it or not.

I'm just saying it smells of pulling stuff out of his ass so his lack of first hand experience with police can't be focused on. Which frankly, is irrelevant anyway-- discussing police with conservative friends isn't the same as first hand experience with police or crime or anything else either. You can be a sheltered rich kid who gets 95% of their feeling about causes or people from reading things on the internet and also know some conservative people you talk to regularly-- unless those conservative people you talk to are your HUD inspector, a local drug addict neighbor who is shouting out of his house how he's going to shoot you dead while bashing the walls of his trailer who the police can't take in because he's been brought in too many times this week and there's a population problem at the detention center, or actual police officers that you're not being offended towards because they pulled you over, you don't have a lot of ground to stand on as far as character judgments of police vs the accused or the nature of police work or whatever else.

I am just saying you come off as someone who has hatred for cops not grounded in reality, not unlike the mindset people afflicted by prejudices, rather than someone who's credible when discussing them, and I hope you realize that the extreme nature of your position is not something most people should be expected to agree with, even among people who have no particular fondness for the police.

Also your story does not reflect how I would expect people who idealize cops to act, nor do I quite frankly believe you could actually be friends with people who idealize cops. Hell I probably couldn't be friends with people who idealize cops.

But all I'm saying is cops are people. If you think "cops have been given too much power and as such some bad people within the organization have exploited that to make all cops look bad" is "stanning" for cops then I dunno what to tell ya. I just think you come off as completely absurd when you try to compare them to nazis or rapists and think that makes your point look valid or credible.

Kenri posted...

Because I once said "police should be held to a higher standard than fast food workers" and immediately got shouted down by an entire room full of friends that disagreed with me.

People who actually idolize cops would say "they are" not disagree with you

Sounds like you're making up fake stories to win an argument, bro

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Glad Juri's back.

Need Vega, Dan, and Bison to be back to be truly happy but it's a much more promising start than SF5 imo.

I mean it's fair to be sure but I don't personally hold it against them. It doesn't make them awful people as long as they themselves aren't being corrupt-- it just doesn't make them particularly good people.

But then again I'm not someone putting them on a pedestal. If you do put police on a pedestal, you absolutely should.

He also in this very topic took "is a police officer" vs "has a known history of lying" to be a net neutral in terms of trustworthiness. Like Kenri is comparing police officers to rapists, and tends to trust the accused over police in general.

My mom literally got raped by a gang member when I was 8 and they broke into our house beat her to a pulp, raped her, and stole a bunch of shit. There is no comparison to make. He is taking the side of a group that includes literal actual rapists in non-trivial amounts over people he compares to rapists in analogies. It's fucking ridiculous.

I'm not saying hold police on a pedestal-- I'm saying take in the facts and realize that probably more people "repressed" by police are awful people than people working as police. It's an awful world out there. Some police being able to exploit holes in the system doesn't mean all or even most police are bad people. It means the system needs reform. It means that you shouldn't by default trust police, but that doesn't mean you by default flip to distrusting them because there a LOT of people they're dealing with that are terrible people and quite literally the nazis and rapists we're comparing police to.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

However when you put on that uniform and don't speak up when you see something you become part of the problem. So many stories have come out about police corruption and those are just the ones that have come out. For people in such positions of power with a blank check they can't be given the benefit of the doubt.

Here's the problem

The inherent problems in the system probably aren't obvious in the start. There is also an incredibly high rate of turnover in entry level law enforcement, so a lot of potential whistle blowers are probably weeded out at the gates with the more corrupt areas, and they aren't able to speak out credibly without sounding like a typical disgruntled employee.

If you get to a certain level, you can speak out credibly, but at that point you have something to lose. I can't judge people for not speaking up when it's their pension, their 10-20 years of service with benefits on the line.

And honestly, the "tens of thousands of stories of police officers just doing their job" is probably not hyperbole. So much of police work is just routine stuff that does in fact help the general public good, even if it's not anything you're going to read about in newspapers. Like I don't know how many of you have actually lived in slummy areas but let me tell you when gangs and drug addicts are things you actually experience first hand, you tend to appreciate the fact that police exist and realize that yes there are worse alternatives than law enforcement.

I'm just saying like, reading stuff on the Internet you have no idea of what the system actually is-- and for every legitimate story you hear there is probably a Kenri out there trying to spread hate and not earnestly digesting the facts too and spinning an incident that isn't really that bad of a look for law enforcement. I work in IT with a government focus and a lot of my clients are in law enforcement and as such I have some exposure to the industry without being directly involved in it and I'm telling you by and large people in law enforcement are just like people in any other job. They aren't heroes, but they aren't villains either. They're just doing their job as best they can, and for the people who aren't sadistic believe it or not it's actually in their best interests to NOT abuse their position to control people because that tends to make their job harder, not easier. I've seen first hand several people get checked into detention centers as I was fixing problems with their booking PCs or whatever, spitting mad, trying to openly provoke police officers into doing bad things, and police officers keeping a cool head and trying to calm the person down, with no violence ultimately taking place-- you think that kinda stuff isn't more commonplace than the alternative? That's literally what their training is, to calm situations down.

Police corruption is a story that sells. We do need more regulation, particularly at the higher levels, in areas where more of those stories are coming out. But this distortion some of you are living out in your head where all police officers are just taking the job because they want to a license to exert control over others, it's incredibly sheltered and shows that you probably have lived in a cushy neighborhood your whole life and haven't actually met any real police officers or criminals in your life. I've had my fill of both and while there are exceptions on both ends, I would much prefer living in an area where there a lot of cops than a lot of drug addicts, drug dealers, gangs, vandals, etc.

Like I'm gonna be clear here

I don't idolize police officers or military workers. I agree society is dumb for putting people who are just doing a job on a pedestal.

But that doesn't mean flipping over and thinking that every police officer is inherently as unreliable as a known liar either. There are bad people in the profession, yes. There are bad people in probably 90% of professions. In the end it comes down to not the professions themselves, but people.

Police officers aren't inherently corrupt, it's just that the job itself allows them a certain leverage that allows corrupt people to exploit it moreso than in other professions.

We should be calling for reform of the system so that morally foul people are not able to exploit it, not lynching the every police officer.

Listen man

There are hundreds of stories, but there are probably tens of thousands of stories of police officers just... you know, doing mundane shit that is what's actually in the job description, because the police profession is by and large an uneventful one depending on where you are.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem with the system of police work at some level.

I'm saying that judging people who become police officers at a broad strokes level is grossly misinformed at best, and in the case of Kenri seems like an outlet to be hateful that is deemed socially acceptable in his circles.

So I mean the problem is at some level it comes down to individual districts and stuff. Like to compare it to a different profession, this random corrupt police sector might be Blizzard-- you've got a lot of stories coming out of certain areas because there is a systemic problem in those areas.

But the analog would be like saying because you see a lot of stories about Blizzard employees that people become software engineers and game developers because they want to be creeps towards women.

It's patently ridiculous.

Like here's the key

You're making sweeping judgments on a group of people based on zero first hand experience with that group, entirely based on hearsay. That's literally how racism and homophobia spread back in the day (and continues to spread today, albeit at a smaller scale)

It has nothing to do with choice vs born. That's an arbitrary distinction you created to feel justified.

A police officer isn't defined by violating someone or oppressing a specific group like a rapist or a Nazi. Plenty of people become police officers for reasons that have nothing to do with some sick desire to exert control over people.

Just because you hear some stories about some bad ones doesn't mean you know anything about them.

Kenri posted...

I'm begging you to stop embarrassing yourself lmao

I'm just calling you what you are. In a different era you'd absolutely be a bigot. It's a toxic mindset that oozes from you, you're just desperately looking for that low hanging fruit.

Kenri posted...

Yeah but the difference is that it's hatred against something you become by choice, rather than being born into.

I'm also A-OK with being hateful towards Nazis and rapists if that's your next question.

I'm sure self righteous racists in the past have compared black people to Nazis and rapists too.