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I've only done the stage as a quick stamina burn when I'm full and not in a position to fire up the macros, and to get the daily quest, and have no bonus units of my own.

So about 350-400 per clear, 3 times a day. Also keeping in mind that I used the first three stages for the clear bonus the first day.

I just have no patience for these grind events anymore better to not bother when I'm not drawing on the banner. Do hope I see the super boss once though I want to fight it. (I'll kick it up a notch closer to the end when I'm coming up super short of the tickets)
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My only goal is to get tickets from this batch. Not sure I'm on pace to even get those though.

Looks like 6000 Phantoma. Not even close!
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I actually would've counted the original ECW Title regardless of just taking a jab at the credibility of the Universal Title!

So hail Terry Funk.
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I almost feel like the WWECW Title should count as a world title if the Universal Title does
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Hercules: The Legendary Journeys

The effects are so cheesy. Hell, the dialogue too at times. I love it (seasons 2-4 anyway) though.
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Lmao AJ made Orton look like such a clown with his RKO bait

Then he got RKOed anyway :(
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Miz was right. Only thing he needed to add was how Cena never came to help Nikki when she got attacked from behind backstage like 50 times for the finisher.
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Well personally I'd rather a bunch of dead silence Jinders be in there than a bunch of bad jokes. The problem with oversaturating with bad jokes is it makes the Rumble lose credibility as something people want to win and hurts all the jokes cause there are just too many-- at least dead silence jobbers serve as a rest period to build to the next moment.

That being said I don't think the roster was actually that thin. At bare minimum you could double book (or single book-- some of these matches didn't need to be on the Rumble) Mark Henry, John Cena, Kane, Brodus Clay, Drew McIntyre, Heath Slater, Yoshi Tatsu, Also maybe don't run the stupid wheelchair Ryder angle and just have him be in the Rumble and get some redemption vs Kane *shrug Feel like there were others that weren't on the PPV at all too but I don't know. That and booking Booker T and Mankind somewhat credibly could've helped a lot-- they're no longer active but given the right presentation people could buy them as winners.
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Also I love Charlie Haas as much as the next guy but do you really think I'd use a pick on him?

... well maybe to give CHL another run...
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I'm playing for second place so far my cumulative total has apparently vanished off the face of the earth.

Shelton Benjamin/????
Samoa Joe
Tetsuya Naito
Magnus/James Storm
John Cena
Bobby Roode
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Actually I guess Triple H did lose, rarely, but probably often enough to elevate the character.

He just never gave a s*** about it so whoops.
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I feel like basically you look at every win as potentially giving two things. Credibility and popularity. Credibility is kinda like momentum, but not exactly. It's not as malleable as momentum is-- momentum frankly doesn't really matter all that much aside from storytelling I feel. For instance, if a guy is going 50/50 all the time why is he getting a title shot, or even a #1 contender's match. But if a guy has another reason to fight a dude then momentum isn't a big deal.

Basically there are two ways a guy can get popularity from a win, provided he has sufficient credibility.

1. A guy can get an immediate boost if the win is an upset, within reason. If it's too big an upset, it doesn't help because no one will take it seriously.
2. The match up is a toss up and the majority of the audience wants the guy to win (or wants him to lose if he's a heel). These are the kinda things the majority of the John Cena/Hogan/etc monster matches were.

The problem is Roman is at the point where he does not need credibility to believably win any match whatsoever, as he's pretty well beaten everyone. Obviously if he went on a multi month losing streak he'd need some rehabilitation wins, or more effectively some sorta character change, but as it is? Roman could have gone on to beat Undertaker with or without winning against Strowman and it would have the same effect (which is to say, none, unless Roman turns heel after destroying him, cause as said Roman's sorta peaked with his current character). People have said distraction finish with Taker causing the distraction is the good play there, and I actually agree if for no other reason than it gives a reason for Roman to want to face Taker, but I dare say Strowman could've won clean as a sheet and it wouldn't hurt Roman's credibility whatsoever.

This is also why Triple H was never a mega star despite having all the booking power behind him to be one. He hit this point where he peaked like Roman (though his peak was higher than Roman's cause he had a more interesting path getting to the top) and never really evolved past that, as evolving past that generally requires one to lose once in a while which would then cause a character evolution of some sort.
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The big problem with Roman vs the previous guys that monsters got fed to is those guys were over before getting monsters fed to em. It was done to sustain popularity not create it.

Feeding monsters to a guy to get him over is putting the cart before the horse. If you've got a guy who can't get over without getting monsters fed to em, that's not the guy to be feeding monsters to, cause getting wins over some big bads isn't going to suddenly make people care. They've gotta care before going into the match.
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I don't strictly hate stupid gimmick entries but this one just overkilled it by a ton. Like I didn't have a problem with Coach in the first Rumble he was in. Doing it two years in a row was pushing it but I've also never had a problem with Hornswoggle. But yeah 1/3 the field being gimmick entries is not even an exaggeration so yeah just bad times. I think them getting super drawn out entrances also hurt. Like Coach came out and he just walks out and the announcers are like "why is he in!?!" and that's the extent of it. Ricardo you've got the dude driving in some beat up car, the announcers they get up and strip their announcing clothes off to reveal wrestling gear with the camera on them the whole time.

It was a good(ish) winner though, I guess. But Y2J would've been better. Or Miz or Cody. But really even if Miz had won I would've had a hard time caring. Given that I liked 1995 better I think I'd take the lowest jobber over a non-wrestler too.
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davidponte posted...

What if I paid to cheer the parts I enjoyed and boo the parts I did not?

Get a ticket for 205 Live if you wanna cheer the good parts of Fastlane.
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Royal Rumble 2012:

Miz draws #1, cuts a promo about how he's gonna be awesome or somethin, former disciple turned enemy Alex Riley draws #2. Miz eliminates him, gives a bow... former friend turned enemy R-Truth is #3. Cool, it's a Rumble about Miz, I'd forgotten this! Well, not so much. Cody Rhodes eventually comes in and starts making most of the important eliminations. And so I guess it's about him.

Ricardo Rodriguez
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http://i.imgur.com/sR4DFCX.gif
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All 3 announcers
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Kharma
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Kofi handstand
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Road Dogg, Jim Duggan
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It's the end of the world as we know it, says Y2J

We eventually reach 30, Big Show, who decides to eliminate Cody Rhodes and Miz (and Ziggler) immediately to no fanfare whatsoever. Well sure why not. Everyone left has been there for less than 10 numbers (22, 28, 29, 30) now. We get down to Sheamus and Jericho. It's super drawn out for some reason. Sheamus wins.

There was just something... missing from this Rumble. Nothing felt like it mattered. It was just a string of sideshows that Miz and Cody Rhodes refused to laugh at, followed by them being unceremoniously dumped just before the final stretch, and Sheamus eventually winning. I mean when you've got ~1/3 of your field dedicated to gimmick entries, and another ~1/3 dedicated jobbers, there just isn't much drama to be had. I think they could've made it a bit better by spacing out the comedy a bit more early, as seeing Mick Foley (who isn't taking himself remotely seriously), Ricardo Rodriguez, and Santino Marella in order was just kinda overload.

Royal Rumble Ranking
1992 > 2004 > 2002 > 1997 > 2007 > 1990 > 2011 > 2001 > 1994 > 2009 > 2003 > 2010 > 1996 > 1989 > 1988 > 1993 > 2005 > 2008 > 1991 > 1995 > 1998 > 2012 > 2000 > 1999 > 2006

This may seem kinda low relative to the amount of complaints I had... but, nothing at all feeling like it matters is a pretty big negative. Other generic complaints like "too much laying around" and "ring is too filled" also apply, but yeah, the true reason this Rumble was bad is you can get what you need to out of this with like a 2 minute hype package, and really that gif I posted probably was half the entertainment I got out of this (other half being a combination of Khali lasting a while for once and Kharma HURLING Hunico from the ring). It really was that spotty. Only the truly offensive Rumbles deserve to be lower.

The Undercard was also completely boring-- I think I had the most fun playing "see how reliably I can determine which Bella is Nikki" in a Bella Twins match. You also had the wretched Kane vs John Cena/Ryder feud (remember Kane's stupid "grab their face to suffocate them" finisher? And people said the Heart Punch was bad.), and Dolph Ziggler facing CM Punk in a best of 19 match where CM Punk won 10-0. Why wasn't this is in Miz's hype package of Ziggler failures? (CM Punk! CM Punk!)
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Pair of Kings
Santana
Steamboat
(2) #1 Contender: Steele/Garea
(2) BONUS: Which of these matches is not "supposed" to be that way? Steamboat v AKIO
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Yeah probably is smart to rush through the Trials for the best gameplay experience. Can always try em again later and it's not like I'm super on the ball with pinching every bit of stamina anyway. I'll probably do it later this week.
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I only have two! I just like hard content otherwise what am I even powering this party up for.
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Thank goodness actual difficult content is coming. Like some stuff was kinda rough before TM Grinding like Maxwell, but I was beginning to regret TM Grinding cause once I got this beefy X-Death and Elza I was just wrecking everything with no effort.
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Wow I think you've actually been reading these and have managed to get my tastes in what makes a good Royal Rumble down to a science. Obviously there are a lot of factors but you managed to hit on a lot of the important ones with your pitch.

How many CHIKARA Rumbles are there anyway? Clearly I should get a month of CHIKARAtopia after I finish up with these and do another one of these topics that optimistically two people will read.
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Right. That's the kicker. That's why Mario Crossover or Vanille's thing were good abilities despite having a similar mishmosh of effects.

But if there's very limited overlap in the intended use, it's random, and there's a significant recharge, that's a bad grabbag ability.
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What I mean by unclear purpose btw is that when you use Bowser Party it's unclear what you're actually gonna get.

You've got:

- GP steal
- GP steal
- GP steal that may not actually be useful depending on who it's used on
- Alter GP based on winners/losers
- Randomize declaration order
- Join team of the opponent
- Swap attacker/defender status
- Let someone else use this ability
- No effect

Now the first two GP steals are generally always useful and follow a similar theme. The remaining are situationals that don't have full overlap on when you'd want to hit em or what team you'd want to use them on, so basically they may as well be duds most of the time. So overall the ability is almost never worth using.
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greengravy294 posted...

Lopen posted...

huge block of text to digest that has no clearly defined purpose other than to dick over a leader

hello star dragon sword

xd

Star Dragon Sword serves a very clear purpose you guys are just bad at reading
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Yeah I watch Smackdown and have no plans to stop watching Smackdown cause of this s***ty PPV.

I'd also been watching Raw though after I hadn't watched it regularly from May 2015 thru October 2016 or so

But yeah seems easier to just not
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I don't even care about Owens. Him beating Goldberg just makes Goldberg look bad-- Owens is a ruined commodity at this point. In fact I wish there was no distraction whatsoever cause I hate "HE WAS DISTRACTED BY MUSIC."

Doing that to Braun though I think they lost my Raw viewership again. Him and JeriKO (rip) were the only things I was watching Raw for.

It's been a good 6 months time to hit the bench again.
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BRAUGGGHHHHH :(

Worst show
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Bowser Party sucks. In general grab bag abilities are not a good idea unless one of the following is true.

1. You can choose what you do when you use it and there's some other limiter.
2. Each of the random options more or less accomplishes similar things.
3. The recharge is low (and the effects are relatively low impact) and you can just hurl it out for giggles.

Right now it's just a huge block of text to digest that has no clearly defined purpose other than to dick over a leader, but it's so broad in how it dicks them over that you're not even sure that's going to do what you want.
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I'm not a fan of Rey vs Taker. I don't really like Rey vs giants at all. Not saying he should always be facing cruisers-- Rey vs Cena is one of my favorite Rey matches, but yeah, Rey vs Taker not doing much for me.

Especially when Rey busts Taker's nose which I feel like has happened more than once in their matches.
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Oh okay. That would've been a bit less stupid at least!

Undercard I cut short cause I was running long, but didn't have much to say about it. I wasn't a big fan of this era for the title scene. Miz looks a bit more scrubby than he should (though not as bad as I remembered), and Ziggler looks WAY more scrubby than he should. Matches weren't great, but I did kinda like banning the spear from Edge when the guy has had like 20 finishers in his career and he ended up using most of em to try and win. That was neat. No Edge-o-matic or Downward Spiral but I think he hit all the other ones.

Miz got way more cheers than I remembered too (unless those were all Miz is Awful chants but man that would be pretty poor at conveying your disapproval). People were really sour on Orton at this point huh?
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Rey Mysterio's 62 minute run had about that much lying in the corner. You can do anything in the Rumble.

Also yes Orton and Cena leaving the audience totally dead was great. To be fair the audience was probably a bit exhausted by the Rumble by that point, but then again Santino got a huge reaction so maybe not.
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Royal Rumble 2011

The biggest Rumble yet, 40 men. Kinda amazing what they do with this Rumble considering the roster isn't really big enough to merit having 40 guys. Moments galore here-- probably the Rumble with the most memorable moments in it that I can recall.

The first bit of this is a smark classic. You got Punk and Bryan at 1 and 2, and then a bunch of other smark favorites like Ryder, Regal, etc. It's pretty good in ring action as you might expect-- you've also got Morrison doing the first crazy near elimination spot where he gets launched from the ring to the barricade, spiders off of it without his feet hitting the ground, climbs up, walks across the barricade and jumps to the stairs. Simple and great-- Kofi totally stole his bit, and I think this is better than most of Kofi's stunts.

Anyway Punk has moved on from the SES, and is leading The New Nexus this time-- eventually a mass of 4 of them build up and they systematically clear the ring, being the only guys left. Tyler Reks, Kozlov, and R-Truth rush to the slaughter, being eliminated before the next number. They've had the ring for over 5 minutes, people are quite restless... the next number is THE GREAT KHALI. Khali ain't getting eliminated so easily. He starts to wreck them as people are hype enough for this that they're actually chanting "Khali Khali!". He tosses out Husky Harris, and everyone else is laying dead decimated by Khali, But the next number is the last New Nexus member, Mason Ryan, who turns the tide vs Khali as they eliminate him and the New Nexus once again holds the ring, four strong. Booker T comes out, does some kicks, gets his spinarooni, is eliminated to massive boos.

John Cena comes out, and in a very Triple H moment kinda just demolishes all of em. Punk lasts a bit longer, through a Hornswoggle entry, but is eliminated as well. Huge waste. To redeem it a bit Cena and Hornswoggle hold the ring for a few numbers now in a spoof of The New Nexus as Hornswoggle imps CM Punk mannerisms. This is actually kinda the best thing non feral leprechaun Swoggle has done-- legit found this pretty funny.

Anyway from this point on the Rumble kinda hit a pretty long lull. Lot of whatever entries, and the villain of the first act, CM Punk, is gone. Santino finally lasts longer than 5 seconds, as instead of getting eliminated instantly is RKOed and rolls out of the ring. Diesel comes out to a HUGE reaction, and looks at least competent, but lasts less than 3 minutes total, not even getting a Jackknife off. Massive boos. What a letdown! A Perfectesque run by Diesel woulda made the last quarter of this a lot better.

Your final four are Barrett, Orton, Del Rio, and Cena. Miz who isn't in the match ambushes Cena and eliminates him, leading to a plodding finish where Del Rio eventually eliminates Orton and Barrett. Del Rio celebrates! Refs are having a DISCUSSION. Santino materializes, sliding under the bottom rope... he lets off a prayer, c***s his hand for COBRAAA as Del Rio obliviously celebrates. Del Rio turns around-- SANTINO HITS IT! Del Rio is down! Del Rio is down! Santino lifts Del Rio-- can he do it? He shuffles him t-- no he can't Del Rio tosses him out. I almost think this would've been even better if Santino succeeded, but this was awesome either way, and Del Rio was a good winner at the time so whatever.

Very fun, if very imbalanced, Rumble. Nexus held the ring too long just to get mauled by Cena. Diesel was kinda wasted for the reaction he got. And the last 15 numbers kinda dragged-- a lot of laying around and pointing at Wrestlemania signs in that stretch. Overall I still liked this a lot, but the flaws add up, so not top tier.

Royal Rumble Ranking
1992 > 2004 > 2002 > 1997 > 2007 > 1990 > 2011 > 2001 > 1994 > 2009 > 2003 > 2010 > 1996 > 1989 > 1988 > 1993 > 2005 > 2008 > 1991 > 1995 > 1998 > 2000 > 1999 > 2006
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09 and 10 were pretty much the definition of "decent." 2003 is what I earlier defined as the "decent" line so yeah.

Wouldn't call em must watch but if you like Rumbles you shouldn't be disappointed by em.

And yeah IED Orton could've been huge. Not sure how they dropped the ball so hard there. (Oh wait yeah I do Triple f***ing H)
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Let's double down.

Royal Rumble 2010

The start of this Rumble was so great. CM Punk comes it at #3, tosses out Ziggler and Evan Bourne who were 1 and 2, and just starts cutting a Straight Edge promo. JTG is #4, Punk pretty effortlessly disposes of him, and just continues rambling on.

Next is The Great Khali. Punk says that he can make The Great Khali... greater, and asks him to hold his hand over his head, which Khali does. Punk starts doing the Straight Edge oath-- Khali brings his hand down for ~THE KHALI CHOP~ and crushes Punk's head for a while. Beth Phoenix comes in, steps up to Khali, does the infamous Khali elimination by dragging him out while kissing him. Honestly that was lame, but then Beth Phoenix gives Punk a vicious clothesline and is fighting him legit-- Punk hits the GTS and tosses her out, but this was great. Ryder comes out, Punk says I SEE POTENTIAL IN YOU!! and clocks him with the mic, tosses him out.

This was shaping to be one of my favorite Rumbles. And then... Triple H shows up This guy is much worse than Hulk Hogan ever was. Punk as one might expect did not last long. I cease caring about much of anything for the rest of the match. I mean I'm not a Punk fanboy at all, but there just wasn't much else going on for this and that really put me out to have his momentum cut so ingloriously. Pretty much everything else I get hyped for is cut before it gets interesting. MVP and Miz have a combined total of 24 seconds in the ring. R-Truth has an amazing moment where he eliminates Big Show and Mark Henry-- nothing comes of it and he's thrown out with little fanfare. Kofi counters Sweet Chin Music with Trouble In Paradise and I'm like YEAHH and then he's thrown out in the next moment. HBK's elimination is done at a rather anticlimatic time (and I think should've been done by a heel midcarder that would've been an easy transition feud till mania)

Edge did come back and win, which I guess was at least a kinda cool winner, and there was a cool moment where Cena, HBK, and HHH are the only guys in the ring, and HBK superkicks HHH out who'd just helped him. HBK Superkicks are always good.

Great beginning, pretty dead for most of the rest of it with decent spots here or there that weren't followed up on, and a decent winner. Watchable but little more than that-- could've been a lot better!

Royal Rumble Ranking
1992 > 2004 > 2002 > 1997 > 2007 > 1990 > 2001 > 1994 > 2009 > 2003 > 2010 > 1996 > 1989 > 1988 > 1993 > 2005 > 2008 > 1991 > 1995 > 1998 > 2000 > 1999 > 2006

Undercard was whatever aside from the super cringeworthy Piggy James storyline. Yikes. Would've liked that feud to have taken place during the summer months as I did not need to relive this.
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Seeing this turnout I would've bailed on hosting this too.
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Has the deadline to get a lapis bonus when you buy something with Star Quartz passed yet or not?
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I didn't even mind-- I mean yeah it's gonna be contrived but it was so chaotic at that point it didn't matter. Most awkward spot in the Rumble probably wasn't even RVD's but Shelton Benjamin's where CM Punk and Chris Jericho halfbrawl on the top turnbuckle for like a minute waiting for Shelton Benjamin to run up the turnbuckle and double paydirt the guys.

Punk in general was pretty bad this Rumble. He had a lot of moments where he'd springboard or go up to the top, then jump off, land, and hit a punch on a guy, because his timing was way off.
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Oh and the undercard was kinda whatever from a match perspective

Storyline perspective though, lots of memorable stuff here

- Start of the awful Hardyz feud which can totally be blamed on 'clever' fans chanting for Christian
- JBL hiring HBK to help him win the title. This storyline was super stupid logistically as why the hell does HBK need money, but I feel like everyone involved (those two + Cena) made it work really well.
- Awesome hype packages for Orton flipping out and punting Vince McMahon to hell when he was gonna fire him.

Not a big fan of the actual matches here too much but some nostalgia for these storylines... well, the second two, anyway. Course Orton I feel they really dropped the ball with since I think they could've made him a badass tweener Austin style character if they made him a bit more violent and a bit less schemey, but whatever.
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Royal Rumble 2009

This is a hard Rumble to do much of a write-up for without coming close to spoiling the end real quick, and well, that's what I'll be doing pretty quickly-- you've been warned. "I have a lot of trouble remembering anything from the 2009 Rumble" is something I could totally understand. By and large, not much happened. It was indeed very overcrowded for most of the match... that being said, I actually kinda liked that it was overcrowded-- why? Well let's get into that.

For me, this was basically Legacy's Royal Rumble. You had Orton coming in fairly early, Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase also coming in. All three guys last a very long time. And this is in large part due to them having each other's backs, and never doing the whole "TIME TO TOSS MY BUD HE SHOWED WEAKNESS" angle. Now running with the idea that you want a group of three guys to all last a long time, all showing cohesion-- well, the ring must by necessity be crowded. Otherwise the fact that they're not dominating the match (not a long shelf life on actually dominating) becomes glaring, so for this it worked.

Your final 6 are, in 4 corners, Triple H, Undertaker, Big Show, all 3 members of Legacy. Now the numbers advantage is clear, but it's too late to exploit this (particularly cause Taker and Show are FEUDING so they're not interested in banding for a 3v3). Undertaker and Show are eventually thrown out as Orton capitalizes on their fighting, and you've got all 3 Legacy vs Triple H. Now Triple H is Triple H, so he puts up a good fight vs the three, enough to eliminate Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase-- as Orton tosses him out just as he's eliminating the two. Pretty good finish all things considered as far as not taking too long and being pretty satisfying!

As for everything else-- I feel it's easier to do pros and cons to cover everything else that jumped at me.

+ I really dug that Legacy were a cohesive unit the whole time
+ The two mystery entrants were cool. RVD is always fun, and Hacksaw Jim Duggan managed to look reasonably competent. Way better than Snuka and Piper lemme tell ya.
+ Fairly good action in spite of the overcrowded ring. People were doing moves and weren't just laying around.

- All of my favorites were eliminated relatively quickly. First few eliminations included MVP, Khali, Carlito, Miz & Morrison, Regal, Brian Kendrick (his number was 26 which'll tell ya how long he lasted). All dudes I like a lot. In some ways this probably helped me get behind Legacy though.
- Mystery entrants didn't do great.
- Way too many moments where everyone at the ring goes into Dragonball mode and stares at the entrance in awe of the next entrant.
- Lots of moments that are ALMOST cool but the rug is pulled out. Like Jericho almost eliminates Taker with a Codebreaker, then Taker is like "nope" and tosses him out.
- Big Show was supposed to be a hype 30 but man wasn't feeling Show as imposing this year at all.
- The group of guys working together was cool, but it's Legacy which means I can only enjoy it so much, as Legacy frankly wasn't a great faction.

Did some things wrong, did some things right. This was worth watching pretty much entirely because it's about freakin time a group of allied guys actually wasn't super dumb in one of these things, but not one of my favorites by any means. If I was trying to be objective with these I'd probably rank this a decent amount higher as I felt the story it was going for was unique and done really well, but I'm just not a big fan of most of the wrestlers (at this time) involved here in the big parts, and all my favorites of the era were basically fodder.

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1992 > 2004 > 2002 > 1997 > 2007 > 1990 > 2001 > 1994 > 2009 > 2003 > 1996 > 1989 > 1988 > 1993 > 2005 > 2008 > 1991 > 1995 > 1998 > 2000 > 1999 > 2006
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Heel turns. Those guys are career heel announcers. (or rather, were when they were heel announcers anyway)

Face announcer turning heel seems like a bad idea in general.
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Sheik
Money and Power
Santana
(2) Flair/KVE
(2/5) BONUS: Bruno is interviewed by Fink. What's the score? 82
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Guess I'd better stop posting then.
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Chris mostly got a lot of -s because people are playing the game™ and don't want to minus people who might actually vote in the contest
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Too tired to watch any today. Tomorrow.
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