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Now obviously sending troops to fight is a non-starter because it would lead to nuclear war.

However, the theyre over there, they can sort it out attitude is exactly what got the world into this mess in the first place. The US and other countries retreating on the world stage has allowed bad actors like Russia to get a foothold in places like Syria and the Sahel. The world just looking the other way when Russia invaded Georgia is part of what led to Ukraine. Which is, of course, destroying the US as well. Even aside from that though the western powers (and its not just the US this all applies to) should not just let other places suffer even if it wasnt in their best interest. There are humanitarian disasters happening right now and powerful countries are turning a blind eye to them, thats pretty shameful.

Now, to be very clear, that doesnt mean military intervention which should always be a last resort. But the western powers do need to do something in the places theyve been ignoring. The isolationist turn of the 2010s has straight up failed.

2/10. One of the worst cases in the series and seeing people score it better than the previous is wild.

Donkey Kong 64

It was a mess because it was absurdly ambitious for its time, it even had autosave. We all seem to agree that Rare were doing some very impressive stuff on the system.

Sticking with Tetsuo also.

If its Possession Im going to scream.

Yeah Four Seasons Total Landscaping is probably the funniest, but, topically, I am also quite fond of Trump staring at the eclipse.

I dont know if Id say 4 is considered the best, Id say more people would say 1 or 6. But its not a well received franchise at all!

Bitto posted...

There really isn't that much to say about Friday the 13th. I wonder if one of the later films with Jason would have been a more interesting pick.

I suppose I'll stick with Tetsuo.

Ill be honest: no. They do get kind of weird eventually but those mostly arent in the 80s. The other one from that is kinda okay is the sixth, Jason Lives, which is kind of a precursor to Scream. Also must mention Jason Takes Manhattan for being one of the biggest wastes of a premise ever. Barely any of it takes place in Manhattan!

Okay, NOW Im guessing Tetsuo.

For Game Gear I think Power Strike 2 is pretty impressive but I have to go with Ristar.

Yes!

7.5/10.

Apparently this case is very underrated!

I knew I should have changed my Super Metroid vote to Street Fighter II, the discourse around the latter got to my head. I still would to get Donkey Kong Country on the Rushmore!

Mount Rushmore
Statue of Hollywood
Washington Memorial
Hollywood Sign

Yeah Ill stick with Friday the 13th.

I think Tetsuo will have a few people who love it, but is offputting to others enough to keep it low on the list. But I dont know if its next.

I do slightly wish it was above Friday the 13th because when you compare the overlaps between the two, Sleepaway Camp comes put on top every single time. But that ending is ROUGH. I was with the film until then but that destroyed it for me.

Spoilers for my list I guess but as you can see I did not care for Friday the 13th! I will predict that next. Can also see Tetsuo.

And by the way if you are following along with this topic and have not seen Sleepaway Camp, please watch this scene near the beginning for some of the most bizarre acting you will ever see:

https://youtu.be/DKcF4R7tmlE?si=j5bmJh8wyZ2RRMyR

Incredible

MacArrowny posted...

Hadn't a bunch of Rare's best talent already left by the time Nintendo sold them?

I dont know the exact timeline of staff departures. But Nintendo passed on buying Rare around the time of Banjo Tooie and thats still more or less peak Rare time. The sale then happened a bit later. I cant envision current Nintendo letting a successful partner they already have a 49% stake in go. My understanding is Rare thought Nintendo was going to buy them.

Also nominate highly-acclaimed games that do not hold up well anymore.

Im assuming, big spoilers for a certain 2021 horror film, Malignant.

Also plasma I agree with you that the flashback in Basket Case is the best part of the movie by a lot.

In the case of the NES the whole console was not a big deal at all in Europe so I wouldnt have worried about it there, but the SNES actually was pretty big in Europe (Mega Drive sold more but the gap was actually not huge) so I can see not releasing in Europe counting against most of the RPGs.

Speaking of Europe, another reason that Donkey Kong Country is such a big deal is that it is the game that made Rare. They had had plenty of games before but this was the one that catapulted them into being probably the premier developer of the second half of the 90s. Still wild that Nintendo just let them go like that, would not happen today.

plasmabeam posted...

VEGAS IS OPEN, BABY!! (And I'm giving Inviso the house minimum $500 for guessing Basket Case despite the oddsboard not being up).

Vegas Rules:
* You may guess any movie to be the next to drop
* If you correctly guess a movie on the oddsboard, you win money
* If you guess "Any Other Movie" you win $200 if nothing on the oddsboard hits; you win $2000 if you guess the exact movie

ODDSBOARD:
+650 Friday the 13th (1980)
+650 Sleepaway Camp (1983)
+650 Killer Klowns From Outer Space (1988)
+800 Phenomena (1985)
+800 Re-Animator (1985)
+1000 Prince of Darkness (1987)
+1000 Pet Sematary (1989)
+200 Any Other Movie (+2000 if guessed correctly)

Current Leaderboard:
1) Inviso $500 (Basket Case 500)

Vegas Hall of Fame:
* 2010s Horror: Inviso
* ABCs of Death: Tom Nook
* Organized Crime: fortybelowsummer
* Satire: Pokewars
* Animated Movies 4: Johnbobb
* Road Trip Comedies: Suprak

Hey, I said Basket Case too!

LightningStrikes posted...

Yes time to see who the lone Basket Case fan is.

Anyway, too many people are saying Sleepaway Camp for me to not say Sleepaway Camp even though it should be Friday the 13th.

Just finished the game, finally. No direct spoilers but my reaction:

https://youtu.be/EpcYAvvYLFI?si=WotJdqrC8eXznmI6

Super Mario World
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Donkey Kong Country
Super Metroid

Donkey Kong Country was such an enormous deal when it came out. The technology was really exciting, and it was what truly pushed the SNES to the top over the Mega Drive/Genesis. It was the highest selling non-pack in of the entire generation. Yeah 2 is the better game but the original was the huge push forward.

6/10.

Its fine!

Yes time to see who the lone Basket Case fan is.

The counter to Tomb Raider is that it was multiplatform and actually narrowly launched on Saturn first. I dont think it is as associated with Playstation as the others.

Well Gran Turismo is part of why arcades are dead! Plus every game nominated has precursors be it Sweet Home, or 005 or Dragon Quest. Also Ridge Racer and those arcade racers arent sims, which Gran Turismo is.

Youre not wrong but Gran Turismo 3 was one vote away and a racing game just made a Rushmore!

Im not saying care about racing games (I am actually not into sim racers at all) Im saying care about THIS racing game because it was a huge deal.

Final Fantasy VII
Metal Gear Solid
Gran Turismo
Crash Bandicoot

Okay Gran Turismo 3 narrowly missed the PS2 Mount Rushmore, but Gran Turismo 1 should be an absolute lock for this one. It began Sonys most successful first party franchise, it revolutionised racing games, snd it was the highest selling game on the system. It should definitely be on here.

Pokmon Gold/Silver, good enough for me! Also want to mention the real-time clock and day/night cycle which were very impressive at the time. Technically its a straight upgrade from RBY.

Ocarina of Time was an absolutely huge deal for a host of reasons, and is still absolutely remembered and iconic even 25 years later. My mum knows Ocarina of Time. Its still in many ways the go-to Zelda game in the cultural memory.

Surely Pokmon GSC is more technically impressive than RBY? Donkey Kong Land III is also a good one. X is a super interesting answer as it is very advanced mechanically but quite simple visually which I guess is the tradeoff. Waiting for more arguments before I make a vote.

7.5/10. Its enjoyable. It should be a lot bigger as a final case and feels a bit unfinished, but there are some great moments throughout and a strong mystery. The first day is as good as any in the series.

I do think, and maybe this is a hot take, but the huge agreement on the four here kinda shows that the N64 first party lineup was not so hot relative to other Nintendo consoles. Its Nintendos weakest despite having some absolute classics. Just lacks the volume of their other systems.

Super Mario 64
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Goldeneye 007
Mario Kart 64

The first three are hard locks. The fourth is a bit more contentious, Star Fox 64, Banjo Kazooie, and Super Smash Bros are all good picks but I think Mario Kart 64 is too important to leave off.

NFUN posted...

Mischief Makers
Quest 64
Buck Bumble
Donkey Kong 64

https://youtu.be/K0DDY299Ly4?si=mgJcKYUykITXTJlj

Okay I gotta say it: I know Kingdom Hearts was a huge deal especially with kids, but is it really PS2 Rushmore worthy? It would make other system Rushmores but there is some very stiff competition here.

2-4 should have been the game and was going to be the game but they added a bunch of trash to it! Which kind of gets to the other thing about Justice for All - its the only game in the series which doesnt have a coherent narrative or theme, its just cases awkwardly stapled together. Which makes sense given the development history.

To be clear, Justice for All is like, a 6.5 or 7 out of 10. But its the weakest Ace Attorney game (with the caveat that I havent played PLvPWAA).

Justice for All getting the Return of the Jedi/Temple of Doom treatment mainly via association with the rest of the original trilogy.

Funnily enough IIRC when they started work on JFA they only had 2-4, I think they even envisioned it as just the one case, and the first three were grafted on later which shows. It would have been a better game!

To be clear I was referring to AA Trilogy and GAA Chronicles.

I mean was it Apollo Justice or was it sales stagnating due to too many releases in a short period of time and the DS starting to get old leading to experimentation. Its not like those spinoffs set the world on fire. I mean were years without a new entry now but also, the last two releases (well I guess the two before last now) were the most successful in the series history. I dont know if you can use release schedules to judge, especially since you also had Shu Takumi moving on to other projects which seems like a more likely factor.

JFA also has the rest of the game!

I dont agree with that about Apollo Justice. The series retooled itself pretty effectively while keeping what works and eventually paid it all off.

There are a lot of Apollo Justice fans out there. Well, its better than Justice for All at least!

4.5/10.

The core of this is actually quite good, but its in dire need of a rewrite. The way the plot plays out both makes no sense and winds up as very tedious to play through. I dont hate it and can see how it could be a lot better, but overall its not very good.

Also looking forward to giving 4-4 a high score tomorrow but not that high.

The counter to God of War is the fact they had to release a God of War game in 2018 that was a total rebuttal to the earlier games because they aged badly and everybody got sick of them.

I think GTA3 was much more influential even though San Andreas sold more. San Andreas needed 3 to lay the groundwork. But we could always have two on here!

Im not super set on Gran Turismo 3 for this one so could change, but I am super set on Gran Turismo for the PS1 Rushmore so getting that out here early. I know its a racing game so will have to argue hard haha.

I think its GTA3. It basically invented 3D open world game design.

Feels weird to do this before PS1 since they are going to be super similar.

Grand Theft Auto 3
Gran Turismo 3
Metal Gear Solid 2
Final Fantasy X

All launched within 8 months of each other in 2001. Wild first year (not to mention Devil May Cry!). Gran Turismo 3 was Sonys highest selling game ever for like 15 years and really pushed the racing genre to new heights. The rest are self-explanatory

Hahaha zero self awareness. I mean hes absolutely right, but thats just incredible.

Hbthebattle posted...

Im going to argue that the sleeper pick on the SNES in terms of being influential on the future is Super Metroid, which I think def belongs over DKC.

DKC was a technological marvel and the highest selling non-bundled game of the generation. It was also pivotal in the SNES coming out on top that generation. But Super Metroid definitely has a claim over the RPGs.

Also while were just openly discussing the SNES any of Super Mario World, Donkey Kong Country, and A Link to the Past would be much bigger snubs than any of the RPGs. Actually there might be zero RPGs on there!