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TopicStarting fallout 4. What should I know
Kradek
05/08/24 4:25:02 PM
#19
masterpug53 posted...
So the Intelligence SPECIAL stat is quite useful, since it determines how much Exp. you get - higher INT will allow you to level up faster. There's no real downside to leveling up quickly and plenty to gain (better access to weapons, Power Armor, and more perks available), so I'd recommend starting with high INT.

And this is why I made my post. You level up far quicker with Idiot Savant than investing heavily into INT for a slight bump in base EXP. The higher your INT the harder it is to make Idiot Savant proc.

I usually keep my INT at either 4 or 6, can't remember, for a specific thing I want unlocked for settlements.

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TopicStarting fallout 4. What should I know
Kradek
05/08/24 4:21:49 PM
#14
War never changes.

You're set from there.

Oh, also try not to have too high of intelligence and invest into idiot savant. It's a game changer if you save scum, but I don't recommend getting the 3rd tier of Savant cause it makes it annoying when trying to use the perk for quest exp.

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TopicSo the Tails krew gets a pass back to CE?
Kradek
05/08/24 3:42:19 PM
#226
--Zero- posted...
As long as no one tags DToast this topic will remain open unless a mod tries to do Toast's job with damage control lol.

Plenty of people have already summoned him.

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TopicWords and phrases that make you roll your eyes whenever you hear them
Kradek
05/08/24 3:30:50 PM
#42
Rharyx211 posted...
Calling your gf/bf your "partner."

I actually find it preferable. Not only is it inclusive for all relationships and genders, it makes them sound more equal and meaningful in the relationship.

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TopicI don't really know Tails that well. Why does CE hate him so much?
Kradek
05/08/24 3:29:27 PM
#21
Jupiter posted...
Think that was Jacob Curnow lol

Yes, and there's debate over the former user INTERWEBUSER being Curnow.

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TopicSome dude at my gym apparently threw a fit over a Cobra Commander shirt
Kradek
05/08/24 3:12:29 PM
#32
Some people in the military are way too heavily indoctrinated into the culture.

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TopicApparently Keffiyehs (ME headdress) are banned at this year's Eurovision
Kradek
05/08/24 3:09:18 PM
#7
Gross

Israel should be shunned by the rest of the world the same degree Iran is at this point.

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TopicI don't really know Tails that well. Why does CE hate him so much?
Kradek
05/08/24 3:05:26 PM
#6
He's a true-blue Christo-fascist who thinks society should bend to his extremist religious views. Bigoted in every way you can imagine. Just basically the worst person imaginable short of those who cause criminal physical or financial harm to others. I knew him from the Politics board, don't know what he did on CE. I imagine the same.

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TopicSo the Tails krew gets a pass back to CE?
Kradek
05/08/24 2:54:31 PM
#189
ellis123 posted...
David absolutely believes in all that Tails stands for.

That's a shame since all Tails stands for is Christo-fascism being forced on everybody.

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TopicWords and phrases that make you roll your eyes whenever you hear them
Kradek
05/08/24 2:50:55 PM
#35
"Woke" and "cancel culture" are my 2 biggest pet peeves. I'm cool with the actual meaning and usage of woke, however pretty much nobody in modern times uses it like that and instead use is as a substitute for racial/bigoted slurs they wouldn't normally be able to get away with.

HylianFox posted...
"Unalive"

This is because social media like TikTok and Instagram doesn't allow users to blatantly say kill themselves/suicide. Unalive is the workaround for explaining the action without getting hit with a mod.


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TopicSo the Tails krew gets a pass back to CE?
Kradek
05/08/24 2:48:30 PM
#186
David1988 posted...
Poor Dtoast, you try to do a good thing for the community and it completely backfires. Go easy on him guys, his heart was in the right place

Not sure if srs

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TopicDonald J Trump takes over as the protagonist of the last game you played
Kradek
05/08/24 2:47:45 PM
#56
He's not surviving Willamette Mall lmao

He's never even covered wars, so he'd have no idea on how to use a firearm.

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TopicAmerican soldier detained in Russia
Kradek
05/08/24 2:46:33 PM
#15
ClayGuida posted...
https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1787860094610260229?t=rr-pDB1e4kqFRAhwU9NZSA&s=19

Supposedly this guy was a hardcore trumper who got duped the same way guys fall for strippers and escorts.

Ah, so the think he stole from the woman was her heart, or was trying to, anyways.

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TopicTrump Trials General Part 18: The Saga Continues
Kradek
05/08/24 2:42:00 PM
#45
bluezero posted...
It already happened, Al Franken.

Exactly. I still can't get over how Howard Dean's political career being killed by an overly enthusiastic yell. It honestly makes me hate the American general electorate that they let Republicans behave like this and get away with it by rewarding them with careers.

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TopicSo the Tails krew gets a pass back to CE?
Kradek
05/08/24 2:37:42 PM
#173
KookyCouture posted...
He should have instead extended the courtesy to long term users with accounts in good standing who missed the cut-off

For real. So many decent posters got purged and will likely never be able to return, yet we get KOS sacks of shit gaining access with brand new accounts who immediately demonstrate why they weren't allowed to come back, totally defeating the level requirement this board *used to* have.

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TopicTrump Trials General Part 18: The Saga Continues
Kradek
05/08/24 2:23:38 PM
#43
lilORANG posted...
Ok so Trump told Stormy she reminded him of Ivanka and then had sex with her an hour later that's totally cool and normal

If a Dem had even just one example of Trump's criminality or perverted predilections the party would force him out. But if you're a Republican you become the biggest star in the party and a cult-like fascist following.

This country is truly fucked.

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Sadly, the judge has to treat him with kids gloves, cause if not we would have another insurrection in our hands. Interesting thing will be what happens if he's found guilty. His supporters don't understand reason and will just scream "deep state getting rid of opposition".

We can't stop ourselves from doing the right thing because of how domestic terrorists will respond. That means letting the domestic terrorists dictate societal and judicial policy.

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TopicRFK Jr says doctor found a dead worm in his brain.
Kradek
05/08/24 2:19:53 PM
#38
I guess that might explain his shift in personality and human decency.

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TopicSo the Tails krew gets a pass back to CE?
Kradek
05/08/24 2:16:11 PM
#155
DToast be like "My favorite song is Nothing Else Matters"

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TopicRFK Jr says a worm ate part of his brain and then died inside his head
Kradek
05/08/24 2:14:17 PM
#35
I'd believe it with the asinine shit he says and believes.

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TopicSo the Tails krew gets a pass back to CE?
Kradek
05/08/24 2:00:27 PM
#106
FL81 posted...
To be fair, this is the toxic containment board

That becomes meaningless when you specially adding toxic people who weren't already here.

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TopicGen Zer says if you use this slang, you are OLD! Yolo, Slay, Vibe
Kradek
05/08/24 1:24:58 AM
#36
I don't even know what "type beat" is supposed to mean, however I refuse to believe that vibe is off limits when Gen Z says things like "energy" and "it's giving...", those are both just vibe.

_Valigarmanda_ posted...
My young coworkers talk about wanting to "talk/spill tea" and it throws me off every time. I still call things hella sweet and dope

My fellow poster, "spill tea" is quite old. It's been called various things throughout time, however "tea" has been a substitute for "gossip" since before you or I were alive.

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TopicI don't understand the popularity of the "Edgar" haircut
Kradek
05/08/24 1:21:17 AM
#24
Kim_Seong-a posted...
this is honestly not what i expected at all when I heard "edgar haircut" lol

I was thinking some 19th century high society thing >_>

Well, it's basically the same as medieval monks without the bald spot.

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Topictbh i dont care about trillionaire rappers beef
Kradek
05/07/24 7:11:59 PM
#2
Bro they don't make that much, Swift is the first billionaire musician in history.

Don't get me wrong, the successful ones make bank and on average more than rock bands I'd wager because they don't have to split the money with musicians, however they don't even become billionaires lol.

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TopicFederal judge indefinitely postpones Trump classified documents trial .
Kradek
05/07/24 7:09:14 PM
#18
Cheater87 posted...
Anything to become a SCOTUS judge huh?

Yep, she's on Judicial Idol and probably a leading contestant. If Trump gets back in he'll likely convince Thomas or Alito to retire so he can put Cannon on it.

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TopicI feel like I love one child more than the other and I'm super tormented over it
Kradek
05/07/24 3:43:25 PM
#18
I don't have kids, however from the people I know who have multiple kids this seems rather normal.

Every parent I'm sure wants to share their love equally, however there's certain things that just endear them to one child more than another; most commonly over shared interests/hobbies.

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TopicTrans children could be forced to medically detransition in leaked England plans
Kradek
05/07/24 3:42:09 PM
#18
I truly don't understand why the UK is like intentionally trying to be the worst when it comes to trans rights in the western societies. It's getting to the point where they're even making U.S. Republicans blush over how far they want to go.

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TopicIsrael/Palestina War XV - The Big Attack on Rafah?
Kradek
05/07/24 3:36:52 PM
#195
CommonStar posted...
Israel rejected it and is already attacking Rafah

And have cut off any route into it, basically preventing any aid from getting to them.

They want to kill and level Gaza so they can rebuild it with Israeli settlements. It's heinous that Netanyahu will likely actually be the first to make the "from the river to the sea" statement come true per his map he's shown where it outlines his intent of having Israel stretch from the river to the sea.

divot1338 posted...
But when they take charge and do things this way it obligates us to switch from helping them protect themselves to protecting them. Otherwise the bombs they drop are ours too.

That's already been the case for months.

Members of Congress such as Sanders have wanted conditional terms on weapons we send them (which we hold every country except Israel to) and neither Biden nor Congress at large has agreed with that sentiment.

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TopicDid People Forget About Biden's Cat Willow?
Kradek
05/07/24 3:30:36 PM
#15
ROBANN_88 posted...
i must have missed something, who killed a dog?
why?
was it attacking a baby or something?

Kristi Noem, South Dakota governor and VP hopeful to Trump, released excerpts from her upcoming book to the media about how she had a 14 month old dog, Cricket, who she failed to train leading to its excitement ruining a pheasant hunt, how she stopped by some people's house to talk to them and Cricket escaped (IE she did not secure her), and the dog started killed those people's chickens and she had to compensate them for their loss as they wept, talked about how she hated that dog, took it to a gravel pit at her home and shot Cricket in the gravel pit.

She also had an unneutered goat who was causing mischief and being a handful, who she also took to the gravel pit and executed.

She makes a point of talking about her young daughter coming home from school and asking "Where's Cricket?" as well as how constructions workers at her ranch saw her execute the animals, and when she looked at them they went back to work.

The following day she talked about how she knew and wanted to make the mainstream media "gasp" by releasing those excerpts to the press.

She's doubled down in interviews on her actions, claiming they "needed to be done", and this past weekend talked about how ridiculous it was that Commander, Biden's dog who has bit 24 secret service members (her numbers, Republicans lie so I doubt that's accurate, however I don't know the actual number), hasn't already been put down and kept asking Kristen Welker (I believe) "what number would you think would be the right number for that course of action?"

And I haven't heard too many details on it, however I guess either Monday or also on the weekend she talked about killing horses in the past, I guess to make it clear she's an equal opportunist who will kill any animal.

The MAGA movement is inherently built around cruelty, where the most cruel are held in the highest regard, so the working theory is that's who she was trying to impress and look "strong" to, however even many Republicans have been wtfing over this and everybody who's not a Republican is extremely repulsed.

On a side note, Kristi Noem has been so exceedingly racist towards the indigenous populations of her state that she is flat-out banned from any reservation of that state, which makes up I think 17% of the state she's forbidden from stepping foot on.

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TopicPanera phasing out charged lemonade. Did you try it?
Kradek
05/07/24 3:22:23 PM
#5
I had no interest, however if it's going away I guess I'll try it at least once.

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TopicI hate student driver bumper stickers at this point.
Kradek
05/07/24 3:21:52 PM
#18
[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


For real. Wtf at some of these responses ITT lol.

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TopicWould you rather someone insult you instead of Fandom?
Kradek
05/07/24 3:19:26 PM
#4
Fuck Fandom

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TopicTrump Privately Admits He Loves Kristi Noem After She Admitted to Killing Puppy
Kradek
05/07/24 3:16:20 PM
#43
I honestly hope he does take her on, even though his campaign people have already said they've decided against her. It would be an albatross around his neck because as others have said across all these threads about her, the majority of Americans love dogs and it would hurt him more than all the fascistic stuff he's been blatantly blurting out likely would once people learned about Noem's excerpts. I don't think his campaign officials would let him do something that stupid, though.

LeCh0nk posted...
In seriousness, he might make her is VP because it would hurt his chances. Gets him out of presidential responsibility and gives him a scapegoat to blame.

Nah man, dude's desperately trying to win because it's his best chances of getting rid of the federal cases against him. He's not running to win because he wants to be POTUS, he's running to win to stay out of jail. That's a helluva motivator.

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TopicTrump Trials General Part 17: Trump Won't Be Around for Long
Kradek
05/07/24 3:00:58 PM
#464
BewmHedshot posted...
He's an elderly first time offender (in the eyes of the law, anyway) so yeah zero chance he sees the inside of a prison cell unless he keeps intimidating witnesses on Truth Social.

Dude's being charged with like 31 separate felonies which all come with mandatory time in jail, if I'm not mistaken, not 1-3. What you said would normally fly for most cases, however they'd be foolish to give him nothing for all the charges (assuming he's found guilty of them all).

Most likely house arrest, which is bullshit, but as long as they take away his internet access as well and any devices which provide it then that'll at least be better. If he's on house arrest and allowed to retain internet access then it's basically like no punishment at all.

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TopicNH Rep against state bill banning child marriage: cites 'ripe' & 'fertile'
Kradek
05/06/24 9:26:44 PM
#60
deoxxys posted...
The minimum age is already been raised to 16 for marriage according to the article. This isn't a dispute about whether or not 13/14/15 yo should be able to get married it's for 16/17yos

Yes, I saw that after my post.


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Topicanyone else DISAPPOINTED with sony not going though with the helldivers thing
Kradek
05/06/24 9:18:24 PM
#44
Man, some people really jumped at the opportunity to let us all know they're quite terrible people. Weird.

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Topici listened to my first TOOL song today. Schism
Kradek
05/06/24 6:08:58 AM
#5
But how confident are you in whether or not the pieces fit?

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TopicWatching older Elliot Paige movies is such a stark contrast.
Kradek
05/05/24 11:06:29 PM
#13
Jaguar34 posted...
How is it handled in Umbrella Academy?

I'll probably never watch the show but I want to know it had to have been something to explain

Well in the 2nd season (I think) Vanya kind of fucks off from the family and has a lesbian relationship with a late-in-life lesbian single mom. That relationship is the best thing to happen to Vanya and the happiest the character ever is. When Vanya rejoins the family in the next season he tells the family that she helped him figure out who he truly was and why he'd been so internally confused for all those years and insisted his name is now Viktor. He asks if anybody has an issue with that and the family members just shake their head and say not at all.

Basically, nobody loses their shit over it and just accepts him because they love him as a sibling, Viktor's character also becomes noticeably less broody than Vanya was which helps reflect how significant the change was.

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TopicNH Rep against state bill banning child marriage: cites 'ripe' & 'fertile'
Kradek
05/05/24 11:00:43 PM
#49
Hinakuluiau posted...
Basically they're saying they're not convinced that child marriage is an epidemic in the US and they're worried that by making laws against it, could end up being twisted in the future by anti-gay marriage politicians.

But that's basically the inverse of Republicans going "if we allow gay people to get married, then what, people marrying their dogs?!"

Getting rid of child marriages wouldn't logically affect anybody else's marriage as everybody would be at age of consent.

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TopicGeorge Santos Revives Kitara Ravache Persona
Kradek
05/05/24 10:59:01 PM
#17
thronedfire2 posted...
apparently it's not actually against the law to lie about your entire life in order to be elected to a very important political position

True, however he's objectively committed crimes, he even stole money from a fellow Republican Congressman's mom.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/congressman-george-santos-charged-conspiracy-wire-fraud-false-statements-0

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TopicWatching older Elliot Paige movies is such a stark contrast.
Kradek
05/05/24 10:56:51 PM
#9
Umbrella Academy is interesting because it has both Ellen and Elliot Page and they handle the transition within the show in such an ideal way.

ReiRei89 posted...
He did. His character was named Vanya and when he transitions the name changes to Victor.

Yeah, and they handled it superbly.

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TopicGeorge Santos Revives Kitara Ravache Persona
Kradek
05/05/24 7:10:32 PM
#11
I first read this as George Soros and was super confused. I'm still confused as to how Santos thinks it's logical that he can both announce his intention to run for Congress again and revive his drag queen persona, but hey, the dude is nothing if not surprises.

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Topic1.08k topics on CE. Must admit... I prefer this.
Kradek
05/05/24 6:03:03 PM
#97
XxZiomaxX posted...
That 2nd post bump is hilarious to me when taken in context with the OP

You sure you prefer this? Lol


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TopicTesla plans to charge some Tesla Y users to unlock more range; pending approval
Kradek
05/05/24 5:55:51 PM
#19
I refuse to ever own a Tesla because of Musk.

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TopicWhy do people block and then unblock a short time later?
Kradek
05/05/24 5:37:57 PM
#13
I dunno, sometimes I'll see something that has me blocking and then I immediately unblock because I realize I overreacted in the moment and it's not that bad.

My general policy is if I block someone it's because I'm trying to remove their existence as part of my experiences with this site so nobody who I feel deserves to be blocked do I ever intend to remove from the list.

Count Corvinus is actually one of those people lol and I imagine they do what you're talking about because people dogpile on them and give them a ton of shit and they get flustered with particular people so they block them. However, since that account exists to agitate and troll others, they undo their block list because if they block everybody then they'll have nobody to troll and make shitposts for.

Basically, they need an audience, however even trolls still have emotions and can block people in the heat of the moment.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Hes been spamming blue MAGA for weeks at this point idk if i have such a charitable opinion on him

Yeah, once that became every other post they would make in a thread is when I threw them on the list. Nobody who seriously asserts that asinine bullshit is here for genuine discussion.

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TopicBad graphics > Good graphics
Kradek
05/05/24 5:31:40 PM
#16
Irony posted...
I disagree but if you said something along the lines of graphics don't have to look the absolute best and that performance is better I would agree with you

Pretty much this.

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TopicFirst game that comes to mind on the *Gamecube*?
Kradek
05/05/24 5:30:38 PM
#49
Resident Evil 4. I was mostly using the PS2 in those days.

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TopicI watched One Piece season 1, never watched anime (SPOILERS)
Kradek
05/05/24 5:24:33 PM
#4
I personally enjoyed it 1000% more than the anime which I got 100 or so episodes through.

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TopicHave you ever heard of this game called the Legend of Zelda?
Kradek
05/05/24 4:52:33 PM
#5
Maybe? Something about him coming to town, ya?

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My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use)
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