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I'd strongly suggest saving Kiwami 2 for last if you haven't played it. It makes a super satisfying closer to the series as a 'standalone' and on top of that it's the most polished game design. I think if I was doing an order I'd do 0 -> K1 -> 3 -> 4 -> 5 -> 6 -> K2. Like a Dragon can be played at any point since it's very much its own thing gameplaywise.

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Gravy played it on PS4 so that explains why he wasn't blown away

D:E on consoles is the same game and yet vastly inferior because the control scheme locks you into bottom 25th percentile play at best even if you're an actual beast. It's hard to have fun with the game when its systems' depths can't be explored due to bad interface.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

mad cuz bad

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On that note, and not to sound mean or anything, but did we ever get corrik's thoughts on the statue of liberty's poem?

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the real dream is this suggesting P5R for PC because holy shit what a dream that'd be

hoping they follow through with that

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The real question is, what niche would a new type fill? What current types are 'too good' and need a counter?

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Swole Eminem is my spirit animal, j/s

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It's over

I can't believe the wait is finally over, aaaaaa

Absolutely bouncing off the walls now, so hyped!

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also hazard bomb doesn't grow the special's size I don't think? Not sure where that 'makes it easier to hit' thing came from.

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Targeting system is being massively underrated here. It's chill on your special but it doesn't take up a boon slot, you don't even need to hit with it and it buffs all your other damage as well. IDK how someone looks at that and doesn't go 'this is blatantly the best upgrade', honestly. The fact rockets nerf that upgrade instantaneously makes them worse than just keeping the classic shot, not to mention the fact they have worse synergy with both eris and hestia.

EDIT: to really emphasize just how good this is, lemme put it this way. Targeting System is a level 2 eris rail that doesn't force you to wait until your special shot resolves to benefit, that also slows enemies, and which can be applied to other aspects. Eris Rail is the best weapon in the game and it's not close. There is no stronger upgrade in the entire game in terms of pushing peak performance, I don't think.

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TomNook posted...

Still blows my mind the amount of Melee players who aren't able to adapt to new Smash games. I get that you are afraid of not being good at new games because you have to relearn them, but it's still silly for them to die on this hill.

Signed, a person who never played Street Fighter Super Turbo

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Curse of Agony is best on rail and fists tho

It gives fists something to do with hit n run and rail is just obvious in its application, and the damage is so high it's still value even with the hestia rail

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I just don't typically have a problem getting a decent boon to build around in Tartarus

Lucky man. More than once I've had winning runs where all I had were miscellaneous boons with no slots filled besides like, dash until deep into elysium, because it was a choice between something useless to the build (Zeus attacks on a Hestia rail build...) or being patient. Anything to cancel out those worst case scenarios is a huge boon, pardon the pun.

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That's exactly why being able to buy a boon early on is so important, yeah

If the first few boons are duds, then a lot of blossom powerups get wasted. You don't want to wait until elysium to start racking up levels on your core boon.

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Hard disagree re: Golden Touch. You're banking on getting money down the line instead of when it most matters (early, to get your build online) and it's not even good returns. Here's your return on investment with pretty generous values.

Tartarus: 30 obol with 200g

Asphodel: 75 obol with 500g (this is pretty high end)

Elysium: 105 obol with 700g

Basically you're doubling the benefit at the cost of not being able to rack up boons to smash the game with before the game starts punishing you for being choosy with your picks. This to me is just a huge mistake all told, because you lose synergy with all the best keepsakes like the lambent plume and broken butterfly or pom blossom by delaying your acquisition of boons. At most, Golden Touch buys you +1 boon later on when boons matter least. Better to have 1 boon now than 2 boons later, IMO.

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Battler beats Toshiro then. If Toshiro goes for magic, Battler will drag him into his own playground. I believe he's clever, but I don't believe he's clever enough to outargue Battler in a contest of proving magic is (not) real.

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Battler beats George

I need to know more about Toshiro to tell how he'd do tho. I recall him being called 'japanese batman' but that depends on how magic-y he is. The more supernatural he is the more likely it is that Battler claps him.

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NFUN posted...

Pit does not have guidance and Cyclops would get blasted by Bigby faster than the reverse, Elizabeth is not going to be able to sneak up on him for reasons discussed in detail, won't be able to injure him anyway, and isn't fast enough to ring-out him

Hard disagree on like all of that. It's not guidance, it's access to certain tools that makes the difference. Same for Cyclops being too slow to destroy Bigby, same for Liz not just comically smashing him with her reality warping prowess.

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Dregg, Elizabeth, HIM, Cyclops, potentially Pit depending on what he has...would have to research the ones I don't really know to say if they could beat him. But those, definitely.

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Team mid

Like half of these dudes could beat Bigby solo. Kinda silly match.

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I was interested until I heard it was mostly a multiplayer game, then I decided not to buy. That's not what I wanted out of it, and the fact it was a GaaS game compounded it further.

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naw, hire me to come in illegally and vote, I got this

gotta get in on that sweet sweet soros money

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pezzicle posted...

It's also wild how similar they both are. I know political compass isn't perfect but my guy

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

They are so similar. Does any other country in the "western world" have this awful of a choice year in and year out?

Short answer: yes

long answer: OH GOD YES SAVE US FROM THIS EVIL

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Corrik7 posted...

It's already guaranteed a run-off.

What concerns Dems is that with same turn out, they will lose both seats. Jorgensen siphoned votes. Perdue won by more than Trump.

Yeah, it's a longshot they win one, even moreso that they win both. But at the same time, it's going to give us a powerful barometer for how much 'Trump/Not-Trump' voting affected the election. If republican turnout goes down without Big Strong Orange Daddy on the ticket, that's a huge dea and can be decisive. Gonna be an absolute battle to maintain the record turnout I think.

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Corrik7 posted...

Who cares about Georgia and Arizona. He has won PA and it is already over. I don't know why people even care that much about them. I mean, beyond just fnding it interesting.

Arizona and Georgia aren't needed to win.

Georgia matters to force senatorial runoffs, which at this point can completely change the country's dynamics. It's not relevant for the presidency beyond 'oh shit oh fuck purple georgia' though, obviously.

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https://twitter.com/liamwbz/status/1324007227582259200?s=21

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UF8 posted...

chikayo fukuda > yoko shimomura

i dare someone to strike this take down

I don't remember her by name. What did she work on? That way I can say if it's a hot take or not

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Peace___Frog posted...

Tbqh i think telling anyone to chill at this point in time is a major dick move but hey

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As far as I know, his authority is the Underworld. Everything connected to it belongs to him. It's why I think Death trying to reap him just leads to a no-sell. 'Oh no, my soul will go to the underworld! Whatever shall I do aside from reclaiming what is mine from my domain, hmm?'.

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Nah, no way

Uematsu is just super duper eclectic and Shimomura has a very specific style. You can see it even when she's branching really far away from her current instrumentation of choice, with something like her Streets of Rage 4 cut. Uematsu is so flexible you can find something to love with him even if you detest some of his songs. If Shimomura's default misses with you the only thing you're liable to like from her is Guile's Theme, and that was aaaaaages ago. Uematsu's best is also just kind of trascendentally good at whatever mood he's tackling. Stuff like Dragonsong, Answers, Balamb Garden, The Extreme, Dancing Mad...and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

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I just generally don't think Death being the last man standing in Supernatural means anything, honestly

His authority is just death and Hades' authority covers that. I have no reason to think he can override the latter, and the latter is a better combatant, so voting for him is just sensible imo.

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Do you have characters, Biscuit? That kinda informs how I'd go about it. I think if you want to have a strong plot, you need to define who your protagonist is. Find a good sounding board and start puzzling through what kind of character fits the concept, and from there work out what they want, then project outward. You should have a skeleton of a plot at that point.

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Crossfiyah posted...

All these early-vote-by-party analyses are completely pointless, the NPA vote is what's going to decide this thing.

tl;dr: as in all things, wait until the kiddies come home and the ASV hits

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red sox 777 posted...

Yes, my calculations are based on the assumption that they need a 400kish margin. But they've gained 250k this morning, with what I am estimating to be 40% of the election day vote. So they can be expected to pick up another 375k by the times polls close. That's because a lot more Democrats voted by mail.

Not necessarily...

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1323716735451758597

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Hades has death as a henchman.

All there is to it really

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So I think the Terrarian can absolutely trap He Man for days. There's a serious mobility and options advantage there. I can see plans, backup plans, counterplans, tricks and traps that prolong this battle for hours, possibly for days.

The problem is...I can't see a way the Terrarian wins. The firepower just isn't there. He-Man was mistiered and should've been in high tier. The power differential is too great to overcome. It's a testament to how complete an arsenal they have that we can even be having this conversation instead of slam-dunk voting He-Man without thinking. I think their run ends here. It really was a good one, though -- there wasn't a single matchup that wasn't at least a little debatable and interesting, with every facet of the character being utilized. This was one of the best entrants in the contest, no doubt, and if He-Man had not fallen into mid, I have no doubts the Terrarian would've won the tier. Well done!

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Wanglicious posted...

man, did it really take almost two decades to get this at a decent level?
that's kind of amazing, though depressing. N-Gage ultimately was just way too ahead of its time, Nokia was right on the trend but were way too early.

it's what happens when your button design is unironically based on goatse

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NFUN posted...

would he-man sit there for hours and let this happen?

Bat beat me there, but yes, terraria players are absurdly good at terraforming. Consider that the Player can build the arena underground and seal the pathway they went in through too, for example -- it's gonna be hard for him to find the Player.

EDIT: This isn't out of character to be clear. You have to journey through the world to the center of the earth just to hit the nominal midpoint of your journey, and one of the items required to finish the game is a mining pickax of sufficient power. I feel it's a very relevant thing to take into account.

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This is a pretty tricky match

So the main question is, can the Terrarian get the sword of Grayskull away from He-Man? Which is an open question. This might, legitimately, be the very first match where the Player's terrain manipping skills matter. The way I see this going is that there's a brief skirmish, the Player gets kinda wrecked, flees, and decides 'ok yeah I can't brute force this, need to construct An Arena'. Cue the classic Terraria preparation, ransacking of the countryside to get materials, and creation of an insanely elaborate deathtrap or ten to stack the deck in their favor. The Player has a lot of weird tech in an arena fight -- we're talking about reality breaking teleportation gimmicks (Hoiks), walls that vomit lava when destroyed, possibly monster spawning items and enough creativity to construct traps that basically simulate computer behavior in their complexity. Would He-Man lose to someone who's got all the elaborate deathtraps of your average cartoon villain, but none of the stupidity?

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Hey Ngamer, what's the most lopsided election day result ever? Just curious if Trump can at least hope for a repeat of a past peformance or if it'd be utterly anomalous if he made the comeback.

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That's funny I actually googled it and read that article before you posted anyway. Lots of reference to other names and figures made it hard to understand everything, but I think I understand the main takeaway. I don't think that I agree that fascism doesn't have an ideology, it just can have multiple. Or maybe it's better to say that certain types of ideology end up going the route of fascism. Fascism is a way to politically organize around certain demographics.

Bingo. The key thing with Fascism is that it doesn't have an inalterable core the way say...socialism does, for example, or monarchism, or even imperialism. The ideological conceits are simply a way to organize people to seize power, and thus can be altered freely. That's why we say it has 'no ideology'. It's not that it's actively ideologically void, but rather that there is no part of itself it will not compromise in its search for power.

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pjbasis posted...

Hyper-nationalism is definitely some kind of ideology though? I thought that was a necessary feature.

Umberto Eco

If we still think of the totalitarian governments that ruled Europe before the Second World War we can easily say that it would be difficult for them to reappear in the same form in different historical circumstances. If Mussolinis fascism was based upon the idea of a charismatic ruler, on corporatism, on the utopia of the Imperial Fate of Rome, on an imperialistic will to conquer new territories, on an exacerbated nationalism, on the ideal of an entire nation regimented in black shirts, on the rejection of parliamentary democracy, on anti-Semitism, then I have no difficulty in acknowledging that today the Italian Alleanza Nazionale, born from the postwar Fascist Party, MSI, and certainly a right-wing party, has by now very little to do with the old fascism. In the same vein, even though I am much concerned about the various Nazi-like movements that have arisen here and there in Europe, including Russia, I do not think that Nazism, in its original form, is about to reappear as a nationwide movement.

Nevertheless, even though political regimes can be overthrown, and ideologies can be criticized and disowned, behind a regime and its ideology there is always a way of thinking and feeling, a group of cultural habits, of obscure instincts and unfathomable drives. Is there still another ghost stalking Europe (not to speak of other parts of the world)?

Italian fascism was certainly a dictatorship, but it was not totally totalitarian, not because of its mildness but rather because of the philosophical weakness of its ideology. Contrary to common opinion, fascism in Italy had no special philosophy. The article on fascism signed by Mussolini in the Treccani Encyclopedia was written or basically inspired by Giovanni Gentile, but it reflected a late-Hegelian notion of the Absolute and Ethical State which was never fully realized by Mussolini. Mussolini did not have any philosophy: he had only rhetoric. He was a militant atheist at the beginning and later signed the Convention with the Church and welcomed the bishops who blessed the Fascist pennants. In his early anticlerical years, according to a likely legend, he once asked God, in order to prove His existence, to strike him down on the spot. Later, Mussolini always cited the name of God in his speeches, and did not mind being called the Man of Providence.

Italian fascism was the first right-wing dictatorship that took over a European country, and all similar movements later found a sort of archetype in Mussolinis regime. Italian fascism was the first to establish a military liturgy, a folklore, even a way of dressingfar more influential, with its black shirts, than Armani, Benetton, or Versace would ever be. It was only in the Thirties that fascist movements appeared, with Mosley, in Great Britain, and in Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Yugoslavia, Spain, Portugal, Norway, and even in South America. It was Italian fascism that convinced many European liberal leaders that the new regime was carrying out interesting social reform, and that it was providing a mildly revolutionary alternative to the Communist threat.

Nevertheless, historical priority does not seem to me a sufficient reason to explain why the word fascism became a synecdoche, that is, a word that could be used for different totalitarian movements. This is not because fascism contained in itself, so to speak in their quintessential state, all the elements of any later form of totalitarianism. On the contrary, fascism had no quintessence. Fascism was a fuzzy totalitarianism, a collage of different philosophical and political ideas, a beehive of contradictions. Can one conceive of a truly totalitarian movement that was able to combine monarchy with revolution, the Royal Army with Mussolinis personal milizia, the grant of privileges to the Church with state education extolling violence, absolute state control with a free market? The Fascist Party was born boasting that it brought a revolutionary new order; but it was financed by the most conservative among the landowners who expected from it a counter-revolution. At its beginning fascism was republican. Yet it survived for twenty years proclaiming its loyalty to the royal family, while the Duce (the unchallenged Maximal Leader) was arm-in-arm with the King, to whom he also offered the title of Emperor. But when the King fired Mussolini in 1943, the party reappeared two months later, with German support, under the standard of a social republic, recycling its old revolutionary script, now enriched with almost Jacobin overtones.

I'm letting Eco speak for me here because he's a wiser man than I'll ever be, and much more capable of synthesis besides. If you want a more detailed dissection of it from someone who both lived it and studied it, PJ, go here: https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

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pjbasis posted...

I wanna say Trump has no ideology even if he wouldn't mind authoritarian levels of power. Does that make him different from "true fascists" or have fascists leaders risen in the past just for their own personal gain? Is it possible to tell the difference?

No, Fascism doesn't have an ideology to begin with. I recommend reading Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism essay, he explains it pretty well.

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Tom Bombadil posted...

Do you know US history better than Americans though?
it's entirely possible you do, we kinda suck at that

I'd have to go head to head with Plum to confirm that in this case. I can tell you though that anyone arguing the current political climate stems from poor rightwing precious babies being mistreated is fooling themselves. There was a concerted effort from the ruling class to radicalize voters as they started to lose ground that gradually built up and led to the creation of the Tea Party and the Suicide Caucus. The argument that leftwing activists and progressives were responsible for it actively ignores historical record, and moreover requires you to make several huge assumptions about how the republican leadership somehow influences the republican boots on the ground less than their opponents. If that seems believable to you I don't know what to tell you.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Its just too hard to do the job right now, said Hugo, who makes his living as a people smuggler, or coyote, guiding migrants on the often-perilous journey from Guatemala through Mexico to the U.S. border.

No, I mean a latin american news outfit reporting on this subject. I'll even take nonreputable ones. Just confirm they exist at all.

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Tom Bombadil posted...

were you telling us to learn US history an hour ago or did I make that up

I was Tom. Any discussion about politics has to start with understanding your own history. I can tell you about multiple major human trafficking busts within my country, some even civilian-led, and I can tell you when the numbers spiked (not 2019, in case you're wondering). When you practice what you preach, you get to call other people out on it.

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Produce a latin american source. One. I dare you to try.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Kans, the dude is literally only saying forced lockdowns that cost people their jobs is terrible. You cannot possibly be ignorant enough to conflate that with labor camps. Like I have to be seeing a practical joke or something because I know youre not a stupid person.

45 million people applied for unemployment in the months following forced lockdowns and the government telling people who was essential or not. This is fundamentally and objectively wrong. We are now seeing that going to work can be done safely.

You're trying to use my continent as a cudgel for arguments against me. You are trying to push forth a narrative not one news outfit, not rightwing and not leftwing, across multiple countries, picked up. Not big news agencies like Tlam or Abril, not independent journos. It is, in the most definitional way, fake news, a reporting item that only exists as a talking point in your country, between your ignorant chucklefucks, and you're trying to sell it to me as fact. Get the fuck out, Ulti. You do not have credibility with me. There was no wave of kidnappings in south america. Why should I engage you critically when your talking points are outright fabrications?

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As for the kids in cages stuff, Obama passed a law stating that you were allowed in if you had a child with you, no questions asked. This led to rampant kidnppings all over South America thanks to the law of unintended consequences.

Liar. You forget I am from South America. You think you keep track of the news in my fucking continent better than me?

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