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Here's an amazing short horror video I just found:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td2x8s9GZlo&ab_channel=Gooseworx

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Yes it was. I actually just remembered two things about that:

1. John says that the guy who got killed when they bought the motorcycle from the trapped guy was his nephew?? What a weird thing to add there
2. When the one girl is actually able to stall the trap, i was SOO pissed that the guy didn't just grab the brake. Like, just get it anyway just in case you need it!!!

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I watched Jigsaw! It was a lot of fun to watch a new Saw movie, to experience the surprises and twists for the first time again. For that alone, it was a very enjoyable experience. The movie itself probably ranks among the best of the Saw sequels. Always great to see Tobin Bell again, and I think the people in the traps and the new police cast were all pretty good. Especially like the girl who was a huge Jigsaw fan. The twists were of course, crazy and silly as expected. Obviously, something had to be up when John appeared alive again. One thing this series has stuck to is to never bring John Kramer back from the dead. Oh he'll appear in any number of flashbacks, but so far his death has been an absolute. So I know something screwy had to be going on. The twist that the game with John actually took place ten years ago reminded me of Saw 2, in a good way. When Billy the Puppet came out, I thought to myself "wouldn't these people recognize this is a Jigsaw thing?? Surely Jigsaw and his abandoned warehouse empire would be the most well-known serial killer EVER"... but now it makes total sense lol. I can't decide if its brilliant or really stupid/convenient that Logan happened to be able to find people for his game that matched the ones that died during the original one.

But as a Saw Lore Fiend, I gotta say, the idea that John had ANOTHER accomplice, Logan, and this one was like a Super Accomplice with the strength of Hoffman and the medical knowledge of Dr. Gordon and the true belief of Amanda AND he helped build the Reverse Beartrap so that means he was the FIRST accomplice ever is like.... where was he during all the other Saw movies??? I mean, John thought through everything 1000 steps ahead so maybe he told Logan to go into hiding after he started recruiting more accomplices just in case he was needed later. Though is he a true believer? he used a trap kill Haloran out of vengeance, just like Hoffman did. Then again, Haloran had a chance to play the game and chose to kinda cheat, so maybe it's fine. I liked that John saves Logan because Logan was knocked out for most of the trap, so it'd be unfair for him to die because he wasn't aware of the rules.

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Thats also good

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Oh hes definitely less interesting than Kramer. But Im into what he brings to the table. Plus hes got some good moments (glass case and the scene where the police are about to uncover that hes the voice on one of the tapes).

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Saw 4 is weird. Its like this lore-heavy sidequel that takes place during the events of 3. Introduces Agent Strohm, and might I say, Strohm is a weird guy! We basically get all of Johns backstory here, and I am pleased to say that plot hole I brought up before I actually covered! Crisis averted. More Hoffman is always welcome, love that guy.

The main trap is weird kinda dont care for it. This movie really feels like its setting up for the second trilogy, and since the second trilogy aint all that good it sits in a weird spot I think.

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Sounds good to me!

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Do I need to be fully up to do date on all the Saw movies to enjoy Jigsaw? My assumption is no..

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Saw 3 - Gonna be honest, I really liked that! More than I was expecting. Lots of stuff I had forgotten apparently. Like, this movie has the first appearance of Hoffman! That was cool, love that guy. Doesn't do much though. This movie feels like the end of the original Saw trilogy, which is weird because there's like a million sequel hooks. You got Jigsaw eating the tape, you got the mysterious Amanda letter, you got Hoffman doing some weird shit in the background, you got the first appearance of Jill Tuck as well. But even still, this feels like it's closing the door on a big chapter of the Saw series because, of course John Kramer dies here. If I'm being honest... there's something about the whole ending that doesn't quite come together for me. Like, the twist that in reality John was testing Amanda is neat, and conceptually I get her whole crisis of faith at the end (and I honestly don't remember if the contents of the letter influenced here at all here). I like a lot of the parts, but I just don't love the whole. Can't really put it better... maybe it's whole "Amanda, you should put the gun down because you see there's a chance Jeff is going to walk through here soon and if he happens to see you kill his wife at the exact right moment, he'll kill you in retaliation"... I don't know. I actually also totally forgot Amanda was ALSO making traps that were unfair. Kerry's trap is especially frustrating because she actually DOES complete the test, but it was just a murder machine the whole time.

Some of the gore in this one is hard to watch. The operation especially. The sound of the drill hitting the skull gets me every time. This movie is also really the beginning of the "one guy goes through series of challenges" trap that a lot of later movies do. I like Jeff well enough as a Trap Protagonist, I like that he doesn't instantly help the other people trapped and I actually kinda like that he pretty much fails at every step.... it feels like "Failure" is a big theme of this movie. Jeff fails to forgive anyone, Amanda fails to be a true successor to Jigsaw. The only one who comes out "on top" philisophically is John, and he dies sooo that's no good for him. I DID love John's grin when Jeff picks up the saw at the end. I know because of the sequels that he has like 1000 contingency plans all lined up the come into play later, but I loved how satisfied he was that Jeff was going to kill him.


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I think that they attempt to try to make their myriad of retcons make sense, more than some other horror franchises at least.

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Saw 2 - I think this is a pretty decent follow up to Saw all things considered. Now IMO, the scenes with Jigsaw are what really carry this movie. The murder house is decent enough as a set piece, has some fun traps. But I can't say I was all that entertained by that plotline in general, especially on rewatch. I'm pretty sure Saw 2 has the most amount of Jigsaw on screen, maybe 3 tops it? But in any event, Tobin Bell kills it as usual. I of course love the reveal of where the son is, so silly but so good. The whole twist where it turns out the events in the murder house already happened is also very fun. Of course, you can't talk about twists without bringing up Amanda as an accomplice. I think this twist is set up really well, the fact that she's back in another trap is an obvious tell that something isn't right. Plus there's the scene where after she wakes up, she immediately gets the tape recorder out. She kinda acts like the Game Master for this escape room, subtly pushing everyone when needed. Don't know if she anticipated getting thrown into the hole of syringes, but if she DID she acted really well! I love one one trap at the end, a girl goes into one of the rooms and just ignores the tape and tries to get one of the antidotes out. It feels very real.

This movie also starts the "intro trap" tradition I don't know others feel about this, but I like that the guy actually doesn't go through with cutting himself. Also felt very "real", not everyone is going to go through with Jigsaw's games just because their life is on the line.

I think I found a Deep Lore Inconsistency!!!! Kramer's backstory is somewhat reveled in this movie as he finds out he has cancer, tries to kill himself by running his car off the road, it doesn't work and him pulling himself out the wreckage is framed as his personal trap/trial, and after THAT is when he starts his killings. But... that's not right is it? We know that in actuality, John's first victim was the addict who accidentally terminated his child by injuring his wife. We see his first makeshift trap in action then. I don't remember the timeline of events, but I think he only learns he has cancer after all of that... but I could be wrong there.. I guess I'll see!

Overall, a safe movie. I can't quite crack the code on why, maybe a combination of a big setpiece trap with a lot of Jigsaw scenes.


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Though now that I say that Jigsaw claims Adam is trapped because hes a voyeur. So one could say the puzzle he needs to solve is to get Gordon on his side and convince him not to kill him. And I suppose he does this by being honest. He just had the unfortunate luck of his key going down the drain?

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Thats true for a lot of his victims, but not all. Like Zepp, how is poisoning him and getting him to do all the stuff for Gordons trap helping him? Its not. Theres a difference between trap victims and like, people he uses to facilitate them. Even Adam, he was there for a prop for Gordon and I guess if his key didnt go down the drain Jigsaw would have let him go??


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More movies!

Evil Dead 2 - I watched this for the first time last weekend. Very fun movie, I can see why it became such a cult classic. Much better than the first... in fact, this feels like basically a remake of Evil Dead 1. Ash is such an iconic horror character, so it was great to see his full origins here.

Titane - This is a new movie, came out pretty recently I think... this one is wild. I liked it, but it definitely wouldn't be for everyone. It's really hard to describe what happens, not in that it's a hard plot to follow but more like putting the plot into words doesn't do it justice. It's more of an emotional/sensory film at times, if that makes sense. I'd definitely recommend it.

Saw - Now that I have the 8-film Saw collection, I kinda wanna re-watch them all... don't know if I can get through them before Halloween so we'll see. I might just skip to Jigsaw, the one I've never seen, before that. So Saw 1. Classic. Probably the best Saw movie. "Probably" seems weird to say, considering it's pretty much objectively considered the best one, or sometimes the "only good" one. While I do basically agree its the best, there's a lot of "stuff" in the other movies I like, so it's not quite the absolute slam dunk... but it's probably the best one lol. I do have a soft spot for the Saw series, and Jigsaw/John Kramer is probably my favorite horror villain. Here's some observations I had while watching (I guess I'll spoiler things from later movies??):

• Jigsaw has a rep of "only targets people who deserve it"... but even in this movie we can see that's not true. Who Jigsaw really targets are people who do not live up to his moral code. Often that will be bad people, but sometimes it's "bad" people. Like did Adam deserve to be trapped? ESPECIALLY considering he's just basically used as a prop for Dr. Gordon. I'd say the same for Zepp.... but the way he acted being a psycho makes me feel like there's something weird with him lol. Unless Jigsaw TOLD him to act like that... Then you have Amanda. Her crime is "being a drug addict", which does NOT make you a bad person. But to Jigsaw, she's throwing away her life which is bad enough. Then you add in what we know happens to his child, that a drug addict basically terminated them, then I think you can argue Jigsaw has it ESPECIALLY out for them.
• We know Dr. Gordon becomes an accomplice of Jigsaw, and it's interesting because you can kinda see the seeds of that here. Obviously that was NOT planned, it's just a weird twist they came up with for Saw 3D/The Final Chapter, but even still in this movie Gordon has some amount of admiration of Jigsaw. He even comes to admit he wasted his life, that he had the perfect family and shunned them, a revelation that I think he'd agree he wouldn't have gotten without this experience.
• The iconic song is called "Hello Zepp"... but Jiggsaw doesn't SAY hello zepp??? How have I never noticed this?

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https://twitter.com/DefiGabbi/status/1452298878359941127

Cool... cool

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We all love that detective

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I saw that the Blu-ray Saw movie collection was on sale on Amazon, so I had to get that! Despite being a big Hoffman-head (thats what us Saw fans call ourselves) Ive actually never seen Jigsaw, so this could be fun.

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Ha, I found that channel from Wendigoon too

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Anyone else here heard of the Mandela Catalogue?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6UBbvEA8uh6Ulc6ax1Zs0g/videos

It's a pretty new analog horror channel. Only 5 videos, but they're pretty darn good. I was creeped out a few times for sure.

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Watched two more movies:

The Invisible Man (2020) -- This was a tough watch. Not because the movie is bad, it's quite good. But because of the absolute suffering the main character goes through. I'd say the first hour and a half of just this brutal torture of this poor woman, where some of the most horrific things happen to her and her friends, and what's worse is that no one believes her AND she's blamed for it all. And it doesn't necessarily get BETTER for her after that... truly one of the worst (in a good way) horror villains I have seen in a while. It's funny how similar this movie is to Malignant, the more I think about it... but even Gabriel is a more likable person than Adrian. Overall, great move that I will be happy to never ever watch again.

One Cut Of The Dead -- Now this movie is awesome! I heard to go into it basically blind, which I did, and it was the right call. What a fun premise for a zombie movie. Hard to go more into it without spoiling some of the fun, but I'd definitely recommend it.

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Thanks!

I watched VHS 94 today. I liked it! Obviously the third short was the setpiece one, and it was cool, but personally I liked the second one the best.

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Any Shudder-exclusive movie reccomendations?

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Oh nice! Those all look cool, except for the Barnier one that's just creepy

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I love those art cards! Would love to see them better

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I hope you like it! If its anything like the first release of their special edition, its super super nice.

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Here's a ... trailer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz2vr8I9Uik&ab_channel=MangaGamer

Not really sure what to make of it...

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Have you all heard about this?

https://twitter.com/MangaGamer/status/1424156566878625795

From what I gather, this is a new VN that uses characters from Fata Morgana, but it's unconnected narratively and their actual experiences and identities are completely different; the two have no actual connections, so it ends up being more that the original characters are treated as more like an archetype that gives you an immediate understanding of what kind of character theyre going to be if youve played the original.

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The text log stuff is very cool, but honestly I never would have checked if someone didnt tell me too lol. So being to check it kinda ruined the surprise a little

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Most relatable character: Michel without a doubt, the GOAT of visual novel protagonists
Least relatable character: Aimee, less said about her the better... I guess these first two prompts kinda turned into "Favorite/Least Favorite" characters for me, but I suppose it makes sense in a way
Character I would date: Giselle, Pauline is a good choice too
Character I didn't expect to like as much as I do: I think if, after playing the first three doors, you said that my favorite character would be faceless, featureless "master of the mansion" I'd say you'd be crazy. But Michel wound up stealing my heart.
Character I expected to like more than I do: Georges. I mean, he's cool, but I think I usually characters like way more. Don't know why he didn't click as much.... though I will say, the SPOILER thing he does that you haven't seen yet is pretty damn good IMO.
Opinion changed the most over the course of the game: Yukimasa, I think. Jacopo is close too. Just real roller coaster characters especially in the final door (at least I think it's the final door... the one where Michel goes to the past)

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You want content.... you got it

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Youre talking about Requiem For Innocence right? Its listed as its own game on steam, they came out as separate releases

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Yeah theres a sequels of sorts, but its long enough that I wouldnt really call it DLC. Thats also definitely worth checking out at some point

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Oh on JP theres leaks saying theres going to be a new legendary Goku event! And also bee pan eza

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LR Tapion is pretty cool

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Oh lol AGL Gogeta is also a fusion lead, nvm

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What leader are you all using?

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Well I just got done farming up all the extra april fools Goku/Vegeta units I need. Now I need to EZA them

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Well on my second pull I got Zeno animation into Janemba, so that was also cool

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Well I got LR TEQ Vegito on my first multi so thats already great

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Wow!

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Cool. I like that her SA's aren't her bringing in Gohan to fight, they're fighting together.

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I hope its Videl. And I also kinda hope her Super Attacks are just her, not her and Gohan. Doubt that though

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be careful what u wish 4.....

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There's your so-called precious content..... happy now?!?!?!

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It's a legit new game mode, from what I understand at least.

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I like that coat Vegeta a lot, Ive used him in a bunch of events I feel like

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Do I dare make my final trump card team all vegitos and gogetas...?

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Is INT Super Gogeta better than AGL Super Gogeta now with his EZA, assuming both have the same amount of dupes?

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I have almost 1000 red coins.... probably safe to the blue crew

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