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If you want Trump to win, I wouldn't get comfortable. You sound like what Hillary "voters" sounded like in 2016. Lax, unbothered. Like the lazy hare. Never lose the fear that he might not win. That'll make sure you and every other Trump supporter around you gets out and votes.

"They're not really even riots" says Dave Chappelle, at 3:15, of the riots.

What did he mean by this?

LinkPizza posted...

I said, from the beginning, that not everything is connected. For example, I said multiple times that the poll voters going down does not mean the user are necessarily going down. They CAN be connected, but it doesn't have to be. Which makes it a bad metric to count users. Which many people have also said.

But when front page metrics are down, and we see that the rest of the site is also down, that's when we say "The metrics show that overall site usage is down." That's how site activity measuring works.

LinkPizza posted...

Going board to board is better than guessing based on what you want it to be, though. And doing that also gets you a sample size. Tbh, it sounds like the reason you don't want to ask is because you know you have the possibility of being wrong. And while sample sizes aren't always right they are a way to gauge certain things in research. And when people do research, lots of them include sample sizes. You don't need to count every user. But counting some is better than puling a random number out of your ass because it matches what you want it to match. If you want people to actually listen to what you have to say or believe you, at least do more than make up numbers to fit your research.

A handful of people isn't good for anything. If I don't need them, I shouldn't go looking for them. But if I do need them, I need a significant amount of them. And going around to the boards wouldn't get me that. It would get me what I have here, the suggestion that the polls will be barren, but everything else on the site will be as active as it ever was. It's not likely. And if I could sample enough people, we would see what the likely truth is. But I don't need to sample enough people.

LinkPizza posted...

Sure... If all those things are connected. But the problem is they aren't. You can't say site usage is going down just because how any vote in the poll is going down. Think about how people here have said they use to vote in the poll regularly and stopped. Who knows how many people have done that. Maybe 10% of the users, or 50%. You don't know. One reason the poll numbers could have gone down is because a big chunk of people who use to vote don't vote anymore. But all, or almost all, of those users could still be active on the site. You wouldn't know because you're basing your assumption on something that doesn't matter.

That's not what you said. You said even if the poll results are going down, and board usage is going down, and everything else is going down, that somehow doesn't mean overall site usage is going down.

LinkPizza posted...

You DO need to know who's voting in the poll. Not the exact users, but the percentage. You're whole assumption relies on that. You said that for X amount of people voting in the poll, Y amount does not. X amount is obviously the number you can find by checking the poll count. How do you figure out Y amount, though. You obviously don't know how many people are not voting. So, Y amount is just a number you're pulling out of you ass. And that means you can't have actual data as you aren't even trying to actually find out how much the site is going down. It's just a baseless assumption. And it's not just a few people on this board. Like I said, go to a bunch of other communities boards and ask them. You can see that it's not just a handful here or there. And for someone pretending to look at facts, you''re doing a shitty job. If everyone in this topic so far has said they forget to do the poll or don't do it anymore, it starts to look like a pattern. Most likely, most people on this board also forget to do it, or don't do it. If you have a room with 100 people, and out of the first 50, 4 out of 5 people say they don't vote in the poll more often than they do, they anyone with a brain making a guess would say it's likely that, by the end, 80 out 100 people will say they don't vote in the poll more often than they do. You would say, well that's just a handful. And assume more people do vote in the poll more often that not because thats you guess. Also, a small handful can be called a sample size sometimes. So, theres that, as well So, the point is, you don't know whether a few people skipped the poll, or over half the site. Without that information, you don't really have a leg to stand on. Just like you don't know how many people actually go to the front page, or whether they skipped the front page entirely...

I already said, going board to board asking people is still a handful of people. Not reflective of how many people as a whole use the site. I don't need to count every individual hit on the site to know that it's more than can reliably be polled on even the most active of boards here. I don't need exact numbers to know that it's "a lot."

LinkPizza posted...

It's still assuming, though. Especially with a site like this. People can easily, and probably easily, bypass the front page. Especially the regulars who go to specific boards. Also, going to the front page doesn't mean they voted, or even saw, the poll. Or cared about it. If someone did go to the front page to go to a specific game, they might not even care about the poll...

It's not. But in the handful of people, which are most regulars here, not many have said they vote in the poll regularly. Even the ones who said they vote say they often forget. It's a small sample. But do you have a better sample to say people do vote in the poll almost everyday. The only sample is right here. You could try other boards like CE, the sex board, and politics to see how any vote in the poll consistently, as well. You're not restricted to this board...

Except those two things don't necessarily go together. The number of people voting in the poll can go down without the number of users going down. Just like the number of users can go down without affecting poll numbers. Those two things can be connected, but it doesn't mean they are... Nor is it a good metric to estimate site usage. You could probably ask a mod for more info on that if you want it to be correct...

But if everything is going down, the board activity, the poll results, everything, that means overall site usage is down. That's how site activity is measured. Not just for GameFAQs, but every site.

And I don't need to know who's not voting in the poll, I just need to know that people are voting in the poll. To know that, when people stop voting in the poll, that means less people are around to vote in the poll. A few people per board saying "Well I just skip the poll" doesn't mean everyone who didn't vote skipped the poll. It's just not likely.

LinkPizza posted...

Not really. When I first found this site, I found it using google searching for a specific game. Even these days, when I look up a question on google, it'll take me to a specific topic on game boards for an answer. Other people have said they found this site when looking for specific questions on games, as well. And probably have similar stories. And if they are telling the truth, then the first time they used the site, they probably didn't even see the front page. Front page hits don't matter unless you know the percentage of players seeing the front page instead of going directly to a board. Not to mention the people who frequent certain boards. Those boards will sometimes be a frequent site Meaning when they click on it, it will take them to a specific board rather than the front page. The front IS NOT a good metric to gauge site activity.

You're cherrypicking individual members here and there. Front page metrics are used for a variety of sites. Including sites that people find on search engines. That's not me assuming out of the blue that front page metrics are good, these are industry standards that are saying front page metrics are good.

LinkPizza posted...

I mean, if you want to use that metric, go ahead. Just know that your data will be not be correct. Or even close to it. There are better ways to actually account for the number of people on this site. And the poll is a bad one. So, if you like having the wrong information, go ahead, I guess. I just know most people like having correct info, so I was trying to help. I can see you'd rather decline help and facts, even though most people here have even told you about others ways to find info. I'm sure if you go to other boards, you will find that more people that you guesstimates don't even vote in the polls. Not even counting the lurking who don't vote, but won't say anything, as well...

And it's not really handful. Many people don't. If you have even been listening, most people in this very topic don't vote regularly. TBH, if you really thought about the facts, the fact that barely anyone in this topic has said that vote regularly shows that the majority of the board probably doesn't. A handful or people don't speak for the whole board, but the only people actually speaking seem to disagree with you.

It'll get much smaller either way. But that doesn't mean the poll results matter. Especially with people having alts. People can skew results doing that. As others have said, the poll results don't matter. But I guess you care less about facts, and more about making baseless arguments and assumptions...

This thread? This thread is not an example of any amount of people that could sway the overall site activity. This thread is specifically the kind of inconsequential "handful" I'm talking about. Even if every person in this thread skipped the poll, it wouldn't come to a fraction of enough.

And what else could overall site usage decline mean but that... overall site usage is in decline? I'm saying "When the poll goes down, we'll see that board usage will go down, and so will everything else." And you're agreeing with that, but somehow saying I'm wrong?

LinkPizza posted...

How do you know that? Or why do you assume that? Do you have any proof that most people do. From what I can see, most people seem to frequent the same boards. And when you use the same boards enough, you computer will usually add those boards to your favorite list, or most frequent board list. Allowing you to hop to those boards without needing to go to the front page at all. Some examples of that would be somewhere like here, CE, the sex board, and probably politics. Some game boards are like that, as well. Like for a while, most of the switch games had most the same group of people for a while. Other people sometimes find the site by searching for something for a specific game. And if they find it, they are usually taken to the board or Faqs page of that specific game game rather than the front page. And, from how many people found this site by doing that, it's not much of a stretch. Not to mention, some people probably don't vote if they think it's spam or pointless, even if they see it. Which some might not if they are coming to the site for something specific. They, there's probably people who ONLY come to this site to vote. There are probably people who can vote multiple times. Anyone with an account can vote before logging in, then vote again after logging in. And anyone with multiple accounts can vote even more than that. And as many people in this topic has already said, a lot of them don't even vote in the poll. You keep saying for x amount of people who vote in the poll, y amount of people don't But you're pulling the numbers out of your ass with no way of even guessing that number. Basically, your whole argument in based on nothing, and you have no actual facts numerical stats to back you up. And it seems that many people who have spoken in this topic have told you how the poll of the day is useless in trying to figure out how many people actual use the site, as it has nothing to do with user count at all. And can be easily manipulated.

I know this from looking at other site activity metrics. "Front page hits" are a metric use to gauge site activity. So the front page matters.

LinkPizza posted...

Again, that's just assuming... For all you know, the poll with stop working before the forums shut down. Or people may stop voting in it for whatever reason, but still use the forum. People already have mentioned not voting. Quite a lot, in fact And that's just on our board. Go to the other boards and ask, as well. You probably find quite a lot of people in total who forget, or just don't vote at all...

If the polls shut down, then unfortunately I don't have poll results to compare to forum activity. But as long as I do, that's the metric I wanna use.

And a handful of people on this board or that board doesn't speak for the majority of site users. Or even the majority of board users. There's still just under a couple thousand people who use the boards. If I was to go asking, I'd get maybe 10 people per board to respond. Not reliable enough.

Also, again, I'm not saying zero votes in the poll means zero people use the site. There's likely a small, silent minority of people still using the site and posting on the boards, but it would be much, MUCH smaller than it is today.

LinkPizza posted...

But you're also assuming everyone goes to the front page. But there are probably a bunch that don't even see the front page most days... Or that they care when they see the poll... Or that they don't think it's spam or a pop up or something...

Not everyone, just like how not everyone votes in the poll. But the front page is where most people go to a website. So it's a reliable metric.

TyVulpine posted...

Nope. Polls arent indicative of user numbers. Look at the social forums like Current Events, all the various sport sections, etc. and badges, which are more telling than the polls.

When the polls go down, so shall those forums go down. Mark my words!

Zeus posted...

The only problem is that it's a terrible, inaccurate metric and a weirdly random poll to pick.

It's not random, it's an example of a poll that repeats itself very frequently, so we can compare them over the years. It's not as easy to compare different polls.

TyVulpine posted...

The poll is a poor marker of site activity. Theres sections like sports, current events, etc. POTD isnt the only active section.

But it's all one site. And the Poll is on the front page, even. If that can't get numbers up, that's gotta mean the rest of the site is comparatively low in numbers too.

LinkPizza posted...

Or just thousands of people on the site where nobody votes anymore...

I don't think that's so. I think the boards are also gonna be dead at that point.

TyVulpine posted...

Which is false, considering the number of people that earn the Faithful badge (10 consecutive days of visiting the site) and monthly faithful badges (every day of the month) both of which number in hundreds of thousands of members. I wouldnt call the site dead.

We aren't at zero votes in the polls yet though. Once we reach that, I'm wagering that means we aren't gonna see much activity on the site. Not on the boards, not in the articles, nowhere.

CottontailGamer posted...

I know that I tend to visit the site and various forums almost daily, but I don't always vote if the poll isn't really relevant to me. For example, when there were all of those football/Super Bowl questions. I did vote in a few, but I don't care about football (or sports in general), so I didn't actively participate in those polls. I still visited some of my favorite boards, though. Surely there is a better metric for measuring user activity.

Like I said, it's true that not everyone votes in the poll, but it could be said for such and such amount of people who don't vote in the poll, there are such and such amount of people that do vote in the poll. Zero votes in the poll doesn't mean zero people on the site, it just means the site is very very dead.

If it makes you do that, it's not good, is it?

LinkPizza posted...

Actually, its very likely. As others have already shown you, many of them here forget about the poll dispute this board being called, Poll of the Day. Which is the name of the poll you are talking about. And we still forget. Other boards dont even get the constant reminder we do when people come here to complain about poll of the day. So, mine theory is as likely as yours. And both of them are based on guesswork instead of actual proof...

This is among regular forum users who are hip to the meme that PotD doesn't talk about the poll. They don't vote in the poll, but what about the site users in general?

LinkPizza posted...

And thats still an assumption. While its good that youre basing it off of something, its still just guess work on your part. Just find a way to actually find out the real number of daily users instead of guessing off of something that doesnt actually give any real numbers other than how many people voted in the poll. Especially since you don.this know the percentage that did or does vote in the poll. For all you know, maybe 95% of people voted in the poll in the earlier days of the site. And maybe now, only 20% vote. That would also skew your numbers. So, without percentages, you also cant find the actual rate that its going down. Not to mention people forgetting about the poll, or simply not voting anymore...

But that's not likely, what's more likely is that the site as a whole is getting less users.

LinkPizza posted...

We already know that less people are on the site due to the message board usage going down. But that has nothing to do with poll results. They are pretty independent. The only users you cant see from the board user amounts are the ones that dont use the boards. So, the ones that are using guides and stuff. But whos to say they voted in, or even know about, the poll? Google could have just led them to the guides...

I'm saying if there are less people on the boards, and less people answering polls, it follows that there's less people looking up guides. Less usage in general, across the board.

LinkPizza posted...

Sure. I think they both will go down around the same time. But I dont think there is any correlation between the two. The poll may have gone down some without losing any posters just due the fact that people forget about it often. Or go straight to the boards first. As soon as I started going straight to here, I forgot to vote most of the time...

But if poll responses are going down, AND forum usage is going down, what could that mean but less people on the site?

LinkPizza posted...

You actually can't, though. Technically, the poll could have almost no votes, while the boards have three times are many people as normal. That would make the site thriving more than normal, even though nobody voted on the poll... If nobody voted in the poll, you would think the boards are deserted. But that's not true. They don't actually have to match at all...

I'm saying that's not likely. I'm saying as the poll numbers go down, so shall the forum numbers. And I intend to hold myself to the claim in a few years.

LinkPizza posted...

The thing is that nobody is saying the numbers aren't dropping. We're saying that you can't based how much they are dropping by the poll of the day. As StelioKontos showed you, you can see board activity by clicking on it. Of course, that doesn't help you figure out the full amount of people as some people use multiple boards. And it only shows current. So it daily users are sleeping or not on for any reason, you wouldn't know. But that's still a better way then the poll which you'll never know if 20% or 80% are voting on. Without even an average vote percentage of users, you can't find out. And even using the average number of votes doesn't work, since that will average out. Now, if you get a 90% or above vote percentage, that could help to tell you about how many people were on that day. But that's about it. End result is that the poll of the day is not the best way to judge how many people still use this site. it's not even a good way. Only a fool would think that's the best way to find out how many people use this site...

You can gauge whether or not the site is dead. You don't need the exact amount of people on the website, if the poll gets zero results, that will probably mean the boards are near deserted. You don't need an exact number, all you need to know is "Less poll answerers = less people on the boards."

Muscles posted...

Maybe slow down to a snail's pace but at a certain point it will remain roughly intact

How "alive" is that though? You look around at some of the other big video game forums of the 2000s, they still technically have members, but it's a ghost town.

Muscles posted...

No it won't because there are the core members it won't lose until later than that, eventually itll level off

So the bleeding will eventually stop, is your theory? Not just slow?

LinkPizza posted...

But that's still an assumption. For all you know, those could have been made by the same couple of people. Maybe a few kids were playing tag. Or hide and seek. So, you cold assume many people visited the forest. But you could be wrong... Also, and the people aren't visiting the poll, then you won't see their footprints, no matter how many times they come in the forest. So, you could have thousands of people come in the forest, leaving no footprints...

Occam's Razor. In fact, you can hold me to it. I'm gonna save this thread, and then in a few years if/when the poll numbers start dipping into the triple (or double?) digits, we'll see if we see corresponding inactivity on the boards and stuff.

StelioKontos posted...

If you click on Boards and scroll all the way down you can find approximately how many users are on the message boards at any given time.
It definitely use to be higher a few years back, but this is also taken on a Sunday evening when I would imagine there is less activity.

I'm not just looking for board activity, I'm looking for site activity as a whole. But I am saying that "Users On The Boards" number was bigger in 2008, like the poll numbers were bigger in 2008. I'm saying they definitely correlate, and when the poll numbers drop, so shall the "Users On The Boards" number drop.

TyVulpine posted...

I didn't say they would, I just they're more popular than forum sites. Maybe 5-10 years from now, a new form of social media will become more popular. At one time, Yahoo and MSN Messengers were very popular, but died out. Nothing lasts forever.

Maybe 5 years from now GameFAQs is where people go instead of r/gaming?

LinkPizza posted...

You can't say anything. But 50 people voting in the poll could mean 50 people using the site and everyone votes in the poll. Or 50,000 people using the site and only 0.1% voting in the poll. So, unless you can provide percentages on how many people are voting in the poll that day, you can't really use the poll to determine the amount of users. And you definitely can't use it determine the rate that users are leaving since the percentage of people voting in the poll is probably different everyday. Not to mention users that leave for a few months before coming back. And like TyVulpine said, they could be users coming back all the time. Maybe 50 user left, but 30 came back. To you, it would only look like 20 left. There's could also be a drop or increase randomly due to different things. Like the start or end of summer. Or when a new system comes out or whatever...

I think you can say something. If you count a bunch of footprints in a forest, you can use that to say very many people visit the forest. If you can correlate it to other things like how many people are renting trailers, etc.

So if you don't see very many footprints in the forest, it's probably not because people are more careful not to leave footprints. It's most likely because less people are coming by.

TyVulpine posted...

Unlikely, since social media like Reddit are more popular than forums sites. But like comic books, I doubt GameFAQs will die completely. There'll always be diehard loyalists.

Why should Reddit and Twitter be popular forever? Why shouldn't they experience big user loss like forums did?

TyVulpine posted...

OP's numbers aren't that accurate, because it doesn't take into account users that come back. Who knows how many of the "people" that "leave" weren't bots or alts?

That's why I mentioned the glory days of forums returning. Maybe whoever/whatever we had in 2008, whether they be people or bots, comes back?

LinkPizza posted...

That's the thing. it's not a good sample size because you don't know how many daily users actually vote. And like others have said, there's probably an actual way to find the number of daily users. Since you don't even know the percentage of users that vote, you random assuming is pointless. You can say for every X numbers of people who vote, there's y number of people who don't. Someone else can say for every X number of people who vote, there's 3X number of people who don't. All you're doing is assuming how many people you think are using the site off of information that doesn't matter. The only thing the poll shows is the minimum number of people who have been to the site that day. The number of users that day will normally be much higher than the number of people who vote in the poll. Unless you can come up with percentages based of of information and not guesswork, than everything you said is pointless. You don't know if 20%, 50%, 90% or people voted in each poll. Without knowing that, using the poll to figure out site usage in pointless...

We know that 5,817 people voting in a poll means a lot less people using the site than if there were 75,000 people voting in a poll. So what can we say about, like, 500 people voting in a poll? Or 50?

LinkPizza posted...

The poll is a horrible place to find out site usage. As others have said, I believe there is an actual place to go and get the real number of users. There are probably some people/without accounts, that can vote. Maybe some people don't even use the site daily, but vote in the poll daily. And, like Far-Queue said, some people only vote in the poll when reminded. I actually forget about it most days. And there are probably many that don't vote at all. Since you're assuming already, the rest of us can, as well. And I assuming that a good chunk of people probably don't vote. And there are probably a good chunk or people who forget to vote more days than not. Which would make a lot of sense... Meaning that there are probably way more people on a daily basis than you think/ Not to mentioned, some people probably google something about a game and get brought to this site onto a game board, thereby bypassing the poll altogether. They may become a daily user of that board, but never see the poll or the day...

Voting in the poll is still site use. I'm looking to count even the bare minimum of site use. Dedicated users as well as casual users.

And yeah, there's certainly people who don't vote. But like I said earlier...

FrothySolutions posted...

We could say "For every X amount of people who vote in the poll, there are Y amount of people who don't." Zero votes in the poll doesn't mean exactly zero people using the site, but it's a good metric for overall site usage.

The poll results don't speak for every single site user, but it's like any other sample sized based metric. If 9 out of 10 dentists recommend a toothpaste, it's fairly accurate to say 90 out of 100 dentists recommend the toothpaste.

TyVulpine posted...

I dont know about that, Animal Crossing Community has been around since 2004 and is still going despite a huge loss in users.

Is there a number we can track to see how many users Animal Crossing is losing?

Sony is skipping conferences because they stole the idea from Nintendo's Treehouse event.

Manic_Prime posted...

But they're all of the same poll.

Let's look at it this way, if you're following a prolific person on Twitter and they frequently ask questions of their followers, but there ends up being just a small number of questions being constantly rotated day after day, how likely are you going to keep answers those same questions after you've already answered them?

Does the inevitable diminishing amount of replies mean that person is losing followers? Or are people just ignoring the recycled fluff and engaging in the new material?

No, I think people are voting in the poll each time. The numbers aren't shrinking because people are like "I voted in this poll last year, I don't need to do it again." Because the numbers are also consistent with polls that don't repeat. A new poll in 2018 has results as small by comparison to a new poll in 2008 as these repeating polls.

Game_Grumps posted...

the poll is not a good metric for site usage, at all.

there's literally a place you can go to see how many people are actually on the boards, that's the number you should use. not the poll which anyone can vote in, regardless of them having an account or not.

That's what I want to measure. Not just people who post on the boards, but people who use the site, period.

Far-Queue posted...

But how consistent is the voting day-to-day? You can't just take one poll from one day of the year and say that number represents the average for the year. That number on that particular day could be up, could be down, from the average

These are all random days out of the year, so we can assume the turnout is about on par with any other random day. Except for maybe summer, maybe kids are out of school and using the Internet more. But you're probably not gonna compare February 20th and September 14th and say "One of these days had a noticeably bigger/smaller draw than the other because of something."

Far-Queue posted...

I usually only vote in the poll when someone mentions it on the board. Doubt I'm the only one. There's likely hundreds, if not thousands, of users who don't vote in the poll, so it's not a very reliable barometer for user numbers. Certainly indicates a drop in poll-takers, which could (and probably does) indicate user drop-off, but we can't know for certain how many users have stopped coming altogether

We could say "For every X amount of people who vote in the poll, there are Y amount of people who don't." Zero votes in the poll doesn't mean exactly zero people using the site, but it's a good metric for overall site usage.

I'm not the only one who compares voter turnout in the polls to see how active GameFAQs is. And "Do you look at the results of the Poll of the Day before you vote?" is a good poll to gauge with.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2174-do-you-look-at-the-results-of-the-poll-of-the-day-before-you

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2998-do-you-look-at-the-results-of-the-poll-of-the-day-before-you

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3681-do-you-look-at-the-results-of-the-poll-of-the-day-before-you

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5001-do-you-look-at-the-results-of-the-poll-of-the-day-before-you

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5999-do-you-look-at-the-results-of-the-poll-of-the-day-before-you

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6671-do-you-look-at-the-results-of-the-poll-of-the-day-before-you

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6999-do-you-look-at-the-results-of-the-poll-of-the-day-before-you

The peak was in 2008.

We were still going strong in 2009, but we lost 11,711 voters over 682 days by late November. About 17-18 users per day.

We lost a lot more by 2013. 36,043 voters over 1,180 days. About 30.5 users per day. The 2010s was when things started to look bad. People really started to migrate.

By Fall 2015 we lost 18,800 voters over 936 days. About 20 users per day.

The bleeding then starts to slow in Spring 2017, thank goodness. A mere 5,195 voters over 581 days. Just under 9 users per day.

But a little under a year later in late February 2018, we lose 3,975 voters in 313 days. Now we're up to an average loss of about 12.7 users per day.

And finally, just a few days ago, February 2020, we saw a loss of 5,285 voters over 727 days. About 7.27 users per day.

The last poll had 5,817 voters. If we continue at our current rate of about 7 users lost per day on average, the June 2022 version of this poll will have no votes. But let's assume the bleeding will continue to slow. How much time does that give us? Maybe 2025?

Unless the Reddits and Twitters become unpopular, and the glory days of forums return. It could happen! There was a time when forums were on top. There was a time when America Online was the only Internet. Why should Twitter and Reddit rule forever? Surely a time for them to experience a heavy loss of users must come? And someone new to take its place? Someone new, that is old?

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Because in the modern era, most larger studios have trouble surviving without a massive publisher to help pay the bills (which in turn sacrifices their autonomy).

So you're basically left with the question, is it better for them to have constant funding issues and maybe have to Kickstart the occasional game, or to give up their soul and have most of their games turn into microtransaction-riddled grindfests? Because that seems to be the choice most developers ultimately have to face these days.

Bulbasaur posted...

i think his question is more "why are they always so broke even though the game is funded by someone else"

I just wanna know why a Wonderful 101 remaster needs a Kickstarter.

JoanOfArcade posted...

Nintendo doesn't own it one of the Kickstarter goals was for PS4 and pc but no Xbox cuz fuck making money

But apparently Nintendo doesn't own it, that's why. I was wondering why they couldn't even make games they didn't own the rights to. That they were just hired to make. But I guess that's not happening.

streamofthesky posted...

I didn't know Rick Santorum was on game faqs!

If they don't want their games to be treated like fanservice games, they shouldn't make fanservice games. It robs other products of similar fanservitude of their right to be called fanservice.

I don't like Platinum Games. I don't like their dismissive, pretentious, "look past the fanservice and try to enjoy the gameplay" excuses. But if I was to focus only on the gameplay, it's technically flawless.

So why are they always so broke that they can't make games? They had to take Bayonetta to Nintendo because no one else would touch it. And now this Wonderful 101 remaster? A remaster. Not a whole new game. Nintendo won't fund it so they have to go to Kickstarter of all places. Doesn't Nintendo own Wonderful 101? Do they not? They wouldn't make a Kickstarter for a new Mario game. Does Nintendo not want a Wonderful 101 remaster? Or is it not their property?

Why is this happening? Are they difficult to work with? Are they expensive to hire?

The news broke Twitter. It's over capacity.

Brawl/Wii Era was peak GameFAQs.

Lokarin posted...

Whut?

Do you still do psychic stuff? Can you interpret my dream?

Where is @Lokarin?

Krazy_Kirby posted...

lifting

No no, I'm talkin' 'bout that liftaaaaaaaaan~

Krazy_Kirby posted...

wtf is "liftan".

and i think you want the anime board, more weebs there

Y'know like when you pick up heavy things.

My sleep wasn't that long or sound because I had been liftan late into the night. Maybe that had something to do with it. Here's how my dream went...

I was on my way to work. Makes sense, I went to sleep late so it makes sense I'd be stress dreaming about making it to work on time in the morning. I was walking my usual route to work, but I was walking there with Satoru Iwata and Masahiro Sakurai. And they were my height. Even though in reality they aren't my height. On our way to my job, we walked down a street that had these Japanese businessmen sitting on the curb. Also on the street were some segways. We thought they were for public use, like those micromobility scooters by Lime? So we got on them and started segwaying to work. But then one of the businessmen catches up to me and taps me. It's his segway. Not a public transit segway. So I get off and I give it back to him. Then I catch up to Iwata and Sakurai and the other businessmen come with me. We straighten everything out about how the segways belong to the businessmen, and we give them all back. Then we finish walking to my office. Then I woke up.

I'm reminded of the ending scene from No Country For Old Men. What do you think my dream meant?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNfxK5Q2Qg