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TopicWhat's the best eports game to watch?
Forceful_Dragon
03/17/24 7:54:16 PM
#12
DireKrow posted...
RTS is probably the easiest to get into if you don't play them. It's a shame that it's pretty dead as an esports genre now. Watching SC1&2 during their peaks was wonderful.

Fighting games are probably the 2nd easiest thing to watch imo, but you've already mentioned you're not satisfied with that.

So, tbh, I don't think there's any great options left at the moment. Trackmania would have been a suggestion, but its main esports league went belly-up this year, so that's now gone too.

Age of Empires 2 has been having a Renaissance lately. Hidden Cup 5 took place a couple weeks ago and imo it went very well and had decent viewership.

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TopicElijah Wood as Green Guy in Among Us animated series
Forceful_Dragon
03/15/24 10:38:48 PM
#27
It does not except that they are different so you can say "I saw Blue kill someone"

But the mods added so many cosmetics that you barely register the color underneath

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~C~ FD
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TopicElijah Wood as Green Guy in Among Us animated series
Forceful_Dragon
03/15/24 5:39:41 PM
#16
NFUN posted...
no, why don't they play the actual game

Because it was an interesting/popular way to frame the mafia experience? And while it is definitely true that the original version of amongus with imposters and crewmates only was kinda like baby's first mafia-like. So in that respect I definitely wanted more from it in terms of complexity. But when you add a dozen new roles and when those roles aren't guaranteed to be in every game it becomes a much more rich experience. "I saw someone vent! They might be an imposter, but they might be the Jester, and if we vote them out they win the game". "I saw XXX kill somebody, but they said they were somewhere else. They might be lying, or there might have been a Morphling who transformed to look like them while they killed somebody", and so forth. Almost every part of the game now can be explained in multiple ways and you have to figure out what the truth is.

And now you have other similar games like Goose Good Duck providing similar experiences, albeit packaged in different ways.

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~C~ FD
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TopicElijah Wood as Green Guy in Among Us animated series
Forceful_Dragon
03/15/24 4:47:11 PM
#12
I mean, why watch anything on twitch when you can just play the game yourself? Because it's fun and entertaining?

Also I've been playing in the b8 mafia games

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~C~ FD
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TopicElijah Wood as Green Guy in Among Us animated series
Forceful_Dragon
03/15/24 4:37:15 PM
#10
Dedicated groups of players who regularly play among us can still result in some interesting content. When you have a tight knit group they learn each other's habits and tendencies and the social deduction element of the game is better for it. And then you throw in the modded roles so it's not just imposters + crewmates, but also sheriff, engineer, transporter, arsonist, lovers, snitch, etc? My interest to watch is very dependent on the group, but when it's a good group I'm all about it.

I still try to watch the "Morning Lobby" each week (organized by hafu, though dumbdog will do it when she misses a week) which is usually around 13 players from a pool of about 20 or so. Other lobbies will only hold my attention depending on what the ratio of serious to meme gameplay is.

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~C~ FD
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TopicFill in the Blank 225: Where* ____, there's ___
Forceful_Dragon
03/14/24 7:25:51 PM
#60
UF8 posted...
... since the prompt wasn't "where there's", the first thing that came to mind for me, somehow, was actually scenes from dora the explorer (because of the emphasis it placed on interacting with the viewer to spot things)

so i guess something like "where is swiper the fox? there's swiper" i suppose?

Where's Perry?

There's you are Perry!



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~C~ FD
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TopicIGCD's mafia game
Forceful_Dragon
03/14/24 12:50:02 AM
#12
In for whatever

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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/12/24 1:48:37 PM
#344
wallmasterz posted...
All, as a friendly reminder deadline is in 8 hours.

##Date: Wallz

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 10:02:15 PM
#323
Kirby321 posted...
I mean, as the host of that game, I can assuredly say that while Ctes was wrong about your alignment, he was 100% correct about you lying about your role. Ask Sultan and BCT. I was going insane in DTC watching you half-lie about your role, to the point where I was deeply concerned that you didn't even understand your own role lol

And if it were an isolated incident, sure. But...

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 8:12:05 PM
#304
I didn't subtly defeat the idea this game.

I planted the seed in my night chat with dumey and then I not-obviously used reverse psychology to set him up to want me to pair with MZero. My pairing with MZero was entirely scum led.

If 1-2 town pushed me and Sultan together it would have been much more difficult and potentially obvious.

your marketing bomb on 7 as always-better and there's just no way it can be. Especially if the pair being blown up has a chance of being scum/scum, you lose nothing by only lynching 1. But by doing a bomb you gain a read on 1 extra person by telling them to be the detonator. By forcing pairs you gain opportunity to read 4 extra people.

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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 8:01:58 PM
#301
Lopen posted...
With bomb odds are you will hit them or at least one of the scum

If your bomb is going to hit both you might as well just hit 1 and remove the odds of killing 3x town.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 5:42:36 PM
#296
We're arguing opposite sides of the same coin.

My point is the pressure needs to be on forcing specific pairs, and people's response to THAT pressure will determine if they are trusting. The person being lynched that day is still the person who appears most likely to be scum, so you still expect the game not to end based on actually hitting scum on 7. Based upon the way he and Isquen played the day of 9 they SHOULD have been scum. I would not have found them to be believable at all if I didn't already know who the real scum were. They absolutely played like 2 scum who didn't have any other option but to use their date on 9 to murder someone else and then try to talk their way out of it on 7, effectively forcing town to lynch one of them on 7 or just lose outright. In that spot I would assume they are both scum, but I still wouldn't want them to be blown up. Lynching 1 of them continues the game AND allows a hedge on the remaining pairs. You swap me into that exact spot as town and I would be convinced that Ulti and Isquen were just brazenly behaving that way as scum who felt like they were running out of room.

I would have WANTED town to go along with my 4 person plan if I thought the remaining 2 scum had to be found in a 4 person block on 9.

You want all the pressure to be on the forced bomb. I want all the pressure to be on the forced pairs, and still only lynching 1 person. But in both instances we're using the pressure to go along with specific activities to read someone's response.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 5:16:55 PM
#290
Who is forcing me to blow up with Ulti and Isquen? I'm not just going along with it. Mzero thought i was town so I probably still get a date with him.

You're "just do the thing and blow up the right people" approach ignores the logistical issues with actually getting that accomplished. Who is going to stop mzero from pairing with me if he feels like im town? Who will stop me from dating sultan if I can somehow manage to find a convincing reason to explain why he shouldn't blow them up?

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 3:56:55 PM
#286
Why don't scum have pressure to pair?

I had a lot of pressure to pair with SPECIFICALLY mzero and if he had been my scummate it would have looked very bad for me to show an unwillingness to pair with him. I was applying pressure on Dumey and JC to pair and could cite day 1 as a reason for believing that them being scum had a justification to believe in, however unlikely.

But this is all being done on the back of Ulti and Isquen fucking over the plan from the day of 9. If they hadn't done that and Ulti just died the day before then our plan on 7 would have centered around Sultan, MZero and Isquen. Then everything is different.

Also Ulti could not bomb me and mzero, we did not date on 9 we dated on 7. The only people ulti could have blown up would have been Me and Dumey or JC and MZero.

You're not looking at how the pairings on 9 affect the day of 7 and you're just saying "3 of 7 is better than 1 of 7". The actual circumstances of the game are relevant.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 12:12:37 PM
#278
Lopen posted...
Really bomb or no bomb the gameplan should have always been to put the three most suspicious into the pool at the end. Constantly. That is what I was trying to do when I was alive. I was just using myself as bait because I was very confident I would not die. Which I think gave town bad habits unfortunately

And if none of them dated the night before? Any combination of 2 of them could date, and anyone who is town in the pool should be trying to protect themselves rather than accept death. If all 3 are town then you're screwed either way unless one of the other pairs is scum/scum. If it's 2 town and 1 scum then each of the town might be willing to pair the scum to save themselves (which is depending on game specific reads) and if it's 1 town and 2 scum then scum will of course be forced to pair (or go for a more deliberate bus and get one of them to pair the town) but then you're still assuming everone will even come to the same conclusion on who the 3 most suspicious players are.

You are the one making a sweeping statement that bomb on 7 is always better. I'm saying I don't think even this game qualifies unless you say "yeah but we could have done the exactly most perfect thing" and that I don't think you can make that generalization across the board.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 10:34:31 AM
#273
you're just explaining what a perfect response would have been, and not considering how unlikely it is to play out perfectly. And even if Sultan is scum for being the 3rd most suspicious, correctly pairing him with his scummate still prevents death on 5.

Town was martyr happy to the point that the most likely triple kill to occur would have been ulti/isquen with Kirby or Dumey. I still think it just came down to not doing the 2 person pair ups effectively, but I chalk that up to making it appear that I did not want to date MZero.

Maybe I'll change my mind after we have a few more games under our belt and see different scenarios on 7, but I genuinely believed everything I said about triple kills being anti-town, at in this game at least I think that was still true on 7.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 10:15:17 AM
#270
Lopen posted...
if town agrees "these 3 must do it" that's the key

And if everyone quickly says "yes, I agree, let's go for it!" including all 3 parties involved?

And you are still limited by the pairs from the day of 9.

I think you can say there MAY be cases where blowing up is objectively better.

But I would argue our situation this game was NOT one of those cases. How can you be town, see what Ulti and Isquen did at the end of the day of 9 and conclude that they were NOT the most likely to be scum? Obviously Ulti knows he isn't, and Isquen knows he isn't, but everyone else on the outside? It's scum who spent the entire previous part of the day trying to justify their pairing, only to appear to go along with something else and pair up at the last minute anyways and murder town. The only way to stop them from winning on 5 is to kill one on 7 and there are just two many wrong answers for who could blow them up.

I genuinely think if I'm town going into that day of 7 I make very similar arguments to the ones I made in this game, I would have just spent more time on the non-ulti pairs to make sure no one seemed too comfortable with who they were being forced to pair with.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 2:42:20 AM
#264
once the claimed powers were dead my only possible play is "scum left me alive to mislynch me"

But that's why I made a point to agree several times that I should be the presumptive night kill after Red, Corrik and Chris were gone. By saying that in the open I can use the that "scum read what I said and formed a plan to turn me into an automatic mislynch for not-dying when I was supposed to".

It might not have worked, but it would have been better than "yeah, I'm still alive so just kill me I guess?"

.

I was also fully prepared for Sultan to be lynched on the day of 7 if town had gone along with my plan on the day of 9. But Ulti and Isquen murdering Kirby EoD instead gave me the justification to say that one of them was required to be the lynch on 7.

If Isquen had just paired with Kirby like he was supposed to (or if Ulti had done it and Isquen died) then that gives us Sultan, Mzero and one of Ulti or Isquen on 7.

I really would have supported killing any one of the 3 including Sultan and making the other 2 pair up on 7.

If we say Ulti was lynched on 9 and Sultan was lynched on 7 then on 5 we have:

Mzero/Isquen/Me/JC/Kirby

After being able to take credit for my plan lynching godfather Sultan it should be no problem to get one of MZero or Isquen lynched on 5. It might be difficult to explain why Dumey was killed instead of me, but other than that I think I'd have earned enough credit for sultan's death to at least have a shot on a day of 3 players. Winning a day of 3 would still be difficult and much less likely than just finding a way to win with Sultan still alive.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 1:43:27 AM
#262
Okay, 5 vs 2 on 7.

For starters I don't think there's ever an "always true" situation for dealing with 7 players in this format. So I don't think you can say it's ALWAYS better to kill 3.

You have to consider that your triple kill options are going to be limited to:

-One of the 3 pairs that paired up on 9 (excluding the 4th pair from 9 who lost a partner)
AND
-A willing sacrifice who feels strongly enough about at least one of the paired players that they will sacrifice themselves to take both out.

The "sacrifice" can never be scum, because scum will never volunteer in that spot. If the sacrifice is scum then BOTH players in the pair either have to feel strongly that their date from the night before is scum to be unwilling to pair with the sacrifice.

If BOTH of the previously-paired players are scum, that it doesn't matter if you only kill them 1 at a time, because you still hit scum and are presumed to hit the next one the following day. Especially in a situation like this game where the pair in question had an incredibly sus end of day on 9. If there was a scum/scum pair on 9 then it could only have been ulti/isquen. So with that being assumed the only way you kill 3 that day is if MZero, Dumey or JC was going to volunteer to kill them both.

Now if we run this format more times in the future then this information means future scum will want to appear to be willing to die, since that willingness seems to buy a lot of town credit.

The mistake wasn't failing to kill 3, because if a triple kill was forced then I would have just allowed myself to be paired with Sultan for the claimed purpose of preventing a triple kill and we still just win immediately going from 7 players to 4.

The mistake town made was not trying a little harder to make everyone uncomfortable about who they had to pair up with. Ulti was insistent that my being scum would put me with MZero. That was very helpful to me and allowed me to make it seem like I didn't want to pair with MZero and was only doing it because he was the only pair I would be allowed to take. But swap MZero's name with Sultan, and I probably end up paired with sultan and we'd be forced to play out a day of 5 after pairing. I probably would have responded differently and would have tried to appear only too eager to pair with Sultan to try and trigger alarm bells and get someone to veto that pairing, but let's say for the sake of argument both Ulti insisted and Dumey backed him up? Then yeah, I'm stuck with sultan and the day of 5 becomes an actual contest. Most likely with us killing Dumey and trying to convince JC that MZero and Isquen must be the scum?

But killing 3 doesn't solve anything, it ends the game UNLESS you identify a scum/scum pair from 9, and if you've done that then you might as well just kill 1 of them and try to more intelligently hedge your bets. I think JC/Dumey was a good hedge, for example. I think I would have strongly argued against either of them being allowed to pair with anyone else. It was a long shot, but there was an actual argument to be made for them as a scum pair, and if you're town in that spot then that's the pairing you want to force. I think there was probably a stronger argument to either link myself and Sultan or to link Isquen and MZero, and in either case those pairs could have been forced as well and more strongly insisted upop. And in that spot scum has to go along with it. Otherwise what happens? It's me + sultan + ulti without pairs? And we BOTH suicide? Or one of us pairs Ulti and the other dies? Much better to just agree with the town-decided pairing and save the argument for day of 5.

So to recap:

The only way you're hitting scum on 7 is if they PAIRED on 9. And if they paired on 9 there is no need to risk a triple town death by killing both at once. Just kill 1 and take that knowledge into the following day where you can kill the other safely and still be guaranteed a day of 3 if you are wrong. The chance of forcing scum to pair on 7 is above 0% so that's a hedge worth taking.

I'm fairly confident in this.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 12:44:06 AM
#261
Right before he took off his weighted clothing and his power level increased exponentially.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 12:10:42 AM
#258
Kirby321 posted...
Speaking of which, actually... FD, you're scary as hell as scum. I can't believe you took the "Peaf's flip makes you look bad" angle instantly in our N1 chat. That's incredible thinking and such a bold play haha

I think it's what I SHOULD have thought if I were town trying to understand what Peaf just did. He did only try to date you after all

.

And as much as I appreciate the kudos, I think Sultan also did exactly what he was trying to do. Unfortunately what he was trying to do was look scummy and draw a scan on n1 or n2. It felt like we got really unlucky that Sultan ended up sleeping with the only person who was already scanned on n2, but he ended up getting a prosty clear the same night.

But then after we realized the scan wasn't going to come together, he righted the ship well enough to find dates. It might have been too little too late in a normal game, but it worked well enough for this one.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/10/24 9:32:24 PM
#217
Lopen posted...
I think if I live we probably get Sultan but I feel like FD wins anyway. I had NO feel he was ever scum. Super strong bus

It didn't feel like a bus really. It felt like Peaf threw himself off a bridge and I hurt just decided not to throw myself after him.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/10/24 9:24:04 PM
#208
UltimaterializerX posted...
What actually happened on day 1?

Your guess is as good as mine

I was surprised when my scummate made himself vulnerable at the end of day for no reason. But once I thought it was clear Kirby wasn't going to date him I made the choice to mix it up with Kirby

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/10/24 9:18:20 PM
#197
Lopen posted...
Anyway yeah amazing scum game from FD

He tricked town into the worst possible strategy "let's all pair in ways that prevent scum from pairing on 5" was such cart before the horse and really made no sense at all as most people were being flexible in their dates so scum had no pressure to pair up ever.

Like even ignoring that bomb is just better at late game states really it should have always been "let's isolate the 3 scummiest players"

I think there is realistically a logical reason not to blow up 3 people in 5v2 on 7, but I'll have to go over that when I'm not on mobile.

But I think the key was getting Dumey to believe I didn't want to pair with MZero. If he got the same vibe about me and Sultan then I think he insists on our pairing

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/10/24 9:05:24 PM
#177
MZero posted...
Huh I thought for sure I was going to be forced to choose between JC/Dumey and Sultan/Isquen

So it's JC/Dumey huh

So about that...

##Date: Sultan



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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 8:57:51 PM
#169
If it's JC and Dumey then they don't win outright, that's why they are paired. They will have to argue why they aren't scum tomorrow against whichever other team survives. But I expect I'd be dead by then so it would be down to someone else.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 4:32:42 PM
#155
Well that was fast after I said something!

I still have reservations about MZero / Sultan not being paired today, but it's going to be impossible to account for everything.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 4:27:25 PM
#153
Or we can just stare at each other until tomorrow night, lol

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 3:48:25 PM
#152
UltimaterializerX posted...
Justins major town point after D1 is having an open breakup request yesterday.

You're just saying that because you're asking for town credit for doing the same thing on day 2

Anyways if it IS me and MZero (and it isn't because I'm town) we couldn't win by pairing today and I'll probably get mislynched tomorrow if I don't die tonight.

##Date: MZero

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 3:34:06 PM
#144
Well today started late and is ending at a different time than all the previous days so I'm not sure when the 12 hour rules go into effect.

Personally I've seen enough for today if we're ready to move along.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 2:53:59 PM
#131
EDumey posted...
But if they're town, they shouldn't do that because it gives us less chance to correct tomorrow.

Correction, it gives us NO chance to correct tomorrow, there wouldn't BE a tomorrow. If it's you/JC and a triple kill happens we go from 7 players straight to 4, game over.

Same for if it's me/MZero, but I know that's not true.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 2:35:43 PM
#127
Is isquen even coming back?

Or are we going to to have to deal with another 2 full days of everyone pretending they want to die and then pairing up at the end anyways?

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 2:20:33 PM
#122
UltimaterializerX posted...
Remember, Sultan was scanned innocent.

False.

He was scanned as not moving on night 2 by the person who was scanned innocent (Chris)

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~C~ FD
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TopicHave any of you ever worked in fast food or retail?
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 1:48:44 PM
#28
VintageGin posted...
I worked at a greeting card store that sold slightly higher-end greeting cards

I think because of the specific niche that the store catered to, I only ever got two or three bad customers

I'm guessing it was people who couldn't believe price. People who wanted a high end experience but couldn't comprehend having to pay above Wal-Mart level prices for it.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 1:45:59 PM
#114
Obviously we both sacrificed Peaf, a decision we made night 0.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 1:13:21 PM
#111
That's a lot of concerns with no solutions. Who should be paired instead?

Dumey and I can't pair again today and I wasn't even the one who suggest we paired yesterday.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 1:26:19 AM
#96
EDumey posted...
Sultan and JC can give their opinions on pairings though.

JC has posted since this was said, but didn't address it. I would just like to have JC verify that he is in fact willing to pair Dumey again today and know if he has strong feelings about the other two pairing combinations.

Sultan hasn't posted yet, but similar questions when he's here.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 1:19:49 AM
#95
Hell Isquen spent the entire day yesterday upset that we were trying to kill him, when we just actia;;u wanted to lynch Ulti and we just needed him to date anyone that WASN'T Ulti. It was a baffling and seemingly deliberate lack of comprehension. But it begins to make sense if the motivation is one where they had already decided they needed to date yesterday, whatever the cost and then try and get someone, anyone else mislynched the next day.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 1:11:34 AM
#92
But wait, there's more! I also put together a list of actions for all 4 days smushed together, and rather than color coding it by what the action was I color coded it by who the action was aimed at.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a9d7225b.png

I then looked at who the most common targets were for each person:

MZero: Ulti x2, Dumey x2

JC: MZero x2, Dumey x2

Isquen: MZero x4, JC x3, Chris x3, Ulti x2, FD x2

FD: Chris x2, Dumey x2

Ulti: Dumey x5, Isquen x5, MZero x3, Sultan x3

Dumey: Ulti x4, JC x3,

Sultan: Chris x4, MZero x4, Ulti x4

Chris: FD x3, Sultan x3

This isn't a judgement on what the interactions mean, this is just a base line of who's name showed up the most often on each persons timeline of actions. I'm actually surprised to see Chris interacted with me 3x, and outside me and Sultan he hasn't interacted with anyone else still alive.

You and Ulti have a lot of cross pollination as well, but a majority of that was in a 5 minute window so that's why the context has to be considered.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 1:07:59 AM
#91
On PC finally, so have some #Data

Day 1:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a9179bcf.png

Day 2:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/14d4366e.png

Day 3:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d9a1f20b.png

Day 4:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a5997c12.png

My response after compiling/review these was:

I really don't think day 4 means much because a majority of the day was spent arranging how the dates would line up, with the wild card of course being Ulti/Isquen spending the first half of the day together, and then more or less refusing to participate in the plan when push came to shove.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 12:26:07 AM
#85
Chaeix posted...
fd just claim so we can move on youve admitted its inconsequential, I agree, the rules say its irrelevant so Isquen probably has nothing. youve got the same egg on your face as Isquen does

For you? Sure.

Joseph Gordon Levitt, town vanilla

Flavor mentions his various roles in romantic comedies such as 500 Days of Summer and 10 things I hate about you. There was more about the relationship between Summer and Tom (JGL's character)

Didn't mean much to me, haven't seen those movies in ages.

Gonna get ready for bed now though then I'll be on PC for a bit.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 12:06:31 AM
#72
UltimaterializerX posted...
Those are Dumeys thoughts.

Anyone reading that and actually thinking day one was 3 scum? Am I nuts here?

I considered Peaf JC Dumey and told Dumey as much last night

But if he and JC pair tonight then they can't win on 5 so that's the only real way it can be accounted for today.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/09/24 12:03:58 AM
#68
Tbh id prefer not to pair with MZero so he could pair with Sultan, which is who I think are most likely to be scum if Ulti and Isquen aren't. But then I'd have to pair with isquen and I get the impression he might not allow that

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/08/24 11:45:46 PM
#57
MZero posted...
Also with Chris flipped town I'm more inclined to believe his soul read of Sultan so I'm putting my money on Ulti/Isquen

I honestly think it's just that simple. They were the ones who didn't want to go along with a plan that would mathematically prevent them from winning, they wasted the whole day first paired up and then seeming to go along with what we wanted, only to pair again. They would have just killed Dumey instead of Kirby if we put him in the final 3 with them.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/08/24 11:36:13 PM
#54
Isquen posted...
I rest my case. Over 20 minutes and reticent to give a simple flavor name when it has nothing to do with a role.

Over 20 minutes asking for something that doesn't matter.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/08/24 11:35:22 PM
#52
Isquen posted...
It's a simple. Question. If there's no harm in it, why aren't you giving it?

Scum scum scum. Perish.

You have the problem backwards. If it is specified as not mattering then why are you asking. No answer I could give means ANYTHING.

My flavor is Meg Ryan
My flavor is Tom Hanks
My flavor is Cupid (not the cherub with the bow and heart arrow, the moon around Uranus)
My flavor is BTS (yes, the entire band)
My flavor is Squall Leonheart

Take your pick

Edit: typo

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/08/24 11:30:00 PM
#50
changmas posted...
Rules

Each day will begin between 7pm and 8pm EST and end at 7pm Eastern.

This game consists of two teams, TOWN and SCUM. There is no flavor split (and anywhere from zero to perfect correlation between flavor and roles) - each persons flavor is simply a different person or character associated with dating in some way that I wanted to write about. As such, there are no roles that scan flavor in any way; it is purely for your (and my) enjoyment. Additionally, you know with certainty that the setup is 3 scum players and 12 town players.

.

The more relevant question is why are you ASKING for flavor. I seem to recall Ulti being hung up on flavor during a previous day as well. Curious.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/08/24 11:26:37 PM
#46
It is the only relevant part of the claim. Flavor, per the rules does not matter this game. I could tell your my role and paraphrase the PM but it is specifically cited as being irrelevant. There's a reason I did not keep track of flavor claims this game.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/08/24 11:23:37 PM
#43
Isquen posted...
Full claim. Now. Proffer some stuff from nighttime chats from living people, while you're at it.

Town vanilla. I already claimed. I can provide details from every last one of my chats, but I'm on mobile atm so that would be easier on PC later.

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Isquen posted...
In fact every goddamn time the possibility of throwing Sultan on the chopping block comes up you try to deflect.

Literally not one time has that happened.


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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War
Forceful_Dragon
03/08/24 11:18:42 PM
#36
Isquen posted...
My angry irritated ass you tried to "guide town." You know full well last night was a 3 town mislynch-off, and now you're clutching your pearls in mock outrage.

Why has everyone in every single one of my chats (except Corrik) suspected you? Why were the three of us the final three and not Sultan when Sultan was also in every PoE, apart from Chris going General Gamethrow? You were stupidly noncomittal talking with Dumey day 1.

I had nothing to do with Sultan not being in the final 3. He could have been lynched yesterday and I'd have been fine with it. ANY one of the 4 of you would be fine with me, there only unacceptable outcome was NONE of you. The best thing Sultan had going for him was not moving night 2, but not much else. He looked a bit better day 3 and 4, but not much.

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~C~ FD
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