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EDumey posted...

I can only reiterate that doing a triple kill here is a bad idea if you're town and not 100% fucking certain you're taking scum out with you, which I don't think anyone can at this point.

Ditto to this. If at least 1 scum dies the game will continue, but it's just not worth the risk.

And i guess technically if it was a Sultan/Chris scum team (which I personally don't believe) then the game wouldn't end then either because they wouldn't be able to partner again on 5.

So pretty much just refer to the previous dozen times I said triple killing is bad. It's bad!

That sounds better than you and Isquen partnering up again and killing Kirby at least -_-'

EDumey posted...

Okay this might be a hot take that will get me booed, but I find a lot of BBQ to be too sweet, and it's not my favorite. I need a tangier BBQ in general I think.

That's tricky then. I tend to be okay using a Tangy BBQ, especially when I smoke ribs, but I use a decent amount of brown sugar so it gets a nice glaze texture. So the sauce itself isn't as inherently sweet, but the dry rub and the glaze step tend to make up for that >_>

UltimaterializerX posted...

Votals plz?

can wait for official votals, but tentatively everyone is paired but You, Isquen and Kirby. Kirby has a date request for Isquen.

Dumey I hope you like BBQ Ribs and/or Mac n Cheese for our date. That's literally all I can cook.

Oi, Isquen, if you're town stop pretending like you aren't and accept Kirby's date. No one understands what you are on about.

The majority of the day has been "we need to decide between these 4 options" and your response has repeatedly seemed to be "YOU JUST WANT TO KILL ME" as though you are being singled out, mixed with curious amounts of apathy.

I didn't realize Dumey had an invite for you already and I was technically in the final 3 with Isquen and Ulti.

Either way we need Isquen to return.

Glad that's cleared up.

And I'm nearly off work. Dumey, date me so we can resolve the final 3 down to Kirby/Isquen/Ulti?

I thought chang's unavailability was on friday and would impact the start of the following day?

So then Dumey and I date and Kirby dates Isquen ?

##Date: Dumey

I just know I can't date Kirby because we can't trust what will happen if Dumey is left in the final 3

You are currently dating MZero now since he had a standing date off for you already.

Yeah i saw the F**kFace tweet. Of course earlier yesterday before the news dropped FFace had their press release about acquiring the rights to Ratyboy, so as usual their timing on bits is impeccable.

UltimaterializerX posted...

We could just boot Dumey today, but I would want FD to weigh in first.

To weigh in on what?

2 people I'm sus of saving each other to kill 1 person I believe is town?

Gee, I wonder how I'm going to feel about that. I'll give it a nice long think and get back to you.

oh, he explained, I mean sure I guess. I honestly don't mind dating one of them, but then I'd probably prefer MZero >_>

EDumey posted...

Sultan I cannot understand what you just posted.

I've been squinting at that for a minute trying to parse it. I think some words are missing.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

It seems like all three of you are a bit more [leery?] of Dumey and FD

Something like that? But then I don't know who "all three of you" means if not me you and Kirby.

In that situation wouldn't Ulti just live and isquen dies by default?

Good news, I think you're both town!

But if the consensus is that I should date someone in the poe then I will oblige.

I think if it's all the same I'd prefer to date JC tonight. He's the person I'm least sure of from Group 2 and I think it makes the most sense. Then Kirby and Dumey get to decide the remaining two dating decisions.

Where are you hearing about the podcasts? Anything specific on which ones?

I've been busy with work, but I see not much has changed.

As indicated previously I'd prefer not to pull the trigger on one of the PoE dates, but it's fine if that's what needs to happen.

EDumey posted...

FD what is your honest opinion of Ulti's inconsistencies? The most recent one being dating Isquen after Chris picked Isquen as the best lynch candidate, and recently listing me and Isquen as the likely scum pair due to not enough people listing us as a primary scum candidate.

Do you think this is scum floundering for a mislynch? Or town Ulti genuinely reacting to the game and attempting to solve based on the direction of the PoEs?

He's still my #1 choice as scum in the 4-pack. Except for day 2 when he gave you the power to kill him (which I still see as a calculated risk and or read that you wouldn't pull the trigger) he has been content to lock a date and stay put. His willingness to play ball today reads to me as him realizing that he's running out of runway for this strategy to keep working. Either he or Isquen was 100% getting lynched tomorrow if they refused to budge and the writing was on the wall. And then suddenly he's much more amenable to teamwork.

There have been points where his solving feels genuine, but I'm having difficulty to elevate that over the negatives.

EDumey posted...

Do you agree with him that everyone listing Sultan as their first or second choice means it's obviously a mislynch that scum is comfortable with?

No, as you stated if sultan is scum it only takes 1 person to list him as a fake suspect so I don't think it's the revelation ulti is making it out to be. With that said I like that Sultan has been an active participant today even after chris showed up and effectively vetoed a Sultan a lynch.

it's not 4 random players i've picked out of a hat.
It's 4 players I've narrowed down the group two, based not only on the town-seeming play of the others, but the suspicious play of those 4 are various points.

You're saying to use previous days, but that's how I arrived at these 4. I was pushing EXACTLY these 4 yesterday and couldn't do shit because they all dated each other and without a plan with next-day consequences there is nothing to stop them from just dating each other in a different configuration today if they wanted to.

But whatever. 6 hour window hits in 3 hours and then i'm sure all hell breaks loose.

In a perfect world we hit scum today and it becomes incredibly obvious who the remaining scum is. Then victory music plays and we all leap into the air in a magnificent group hi-five, freeze frame, picture snap.

But in an unperfect world we're looking at hopefully a coinflip to hit scum today so the plan has to account for that and be prepared to force a day 7 that makes Loss-On-5 impossible or at the very least as unlikely as possible.

Kirby321 posted...

But what if I want to date Dumey

I mean sure, that fits my plan as well.

I guess my concern is that my plan becomes incredibly difficult to stick to if we miss scum today. I know that it creates a mathematical inevitability if my assumption that both scum are in those 4 is true, but I would feel better if all of the town-ier players had more of a hand in the decision today. Whereas if I not only create the plan but directly save someone from group 1 suddenly tomorrow becomes "FD's plan is trash, we can't listen two days in a row, he's probably just scum with [whoever he dated]" even though at it's core it's a multi-day plan to prevent exactly that kind of disaster.

Kirby, since Isquen is showing an unwillingness to date Dumey, how would you feel if Dumey and I dated and then You + JC + Chris became the decisionmakers from group 2?

Why is it that I am waking up to half baked substitute plans?

Who decides who is in the group of 3? Pulling names out of a hat?

Is there a designated "decision maker" in each group? Or are two sus people just going to save each other over someone who is much less sus?

How does your plan account for preventing death on 5 if we swing and miss today?

(edit: minor typo)

Anyways I guess we just won't have any resolution and we'll hit the final 6 hours without any consensus. I'm sure that can't possibly backfire :/

But If we ARE going to do something that resembles people from Group 2 deciding between people from Group 1 then my suggestion would be for MZero to make date requests to those in Group 2, and for no one to have have a date request aimed at MZero. That way everyone in Group 2 will have the flexibility to pick MZero if they want after MZero goes to bed and the decision won't be completely decided by who happens to be around to make a last minute date request.

Isquen posted...

I'm so glad Dumey's looked at his watch and went "oh, we're on Day 4, that means it's Day 2 twice over! Time to mislynch town-confirmed Isquen!"

Imbecilic.

Aren't you the one who just said you wouldn't accept a date from Dumey even if he picked you to save in final 3?

EDumey posted...

Isn't this basically the same result as your plan? What am I missing?

Just the fact that it's 4 people not 3, and letting the 4 of them decide for themselves who to kill gives scum an outsized influence on the result while also allowing them to pair on 9 and keeping a path open to try to NOT pair on 7.

If we miss twice AND the remaining two are in a situation where they aren't forced to pair on 7 then we're just giving up the entire day of 5 for no reason.

But I've said my piece numerous times now :shrug:

EDumey posted...

New plan FD, we go back to the old plan. Have the town confident group of Dumey/Kirby/JC/FD date within each other. Let Chris shelter Sultan as his veto. Let Isquen/MZero/Ulti duke it out for themselves.

I mean when any 2 people can form an unbreakable pair what can I even do or say about it?

I was just trying to patch a potential vulnerability by limiting and simultaneously giving the other people I believe are town the power and agency to influence the day's decision.

If you're town I hope you change your mind and play to win.

But I gotta be honest this defeatism only makes me feel better about both scum being in the 4 of you and you're upset that there's no path to victory if we stay the course.

Isquen posted...

Make it a quintuple kill.

If you are town you should be willing to save yourself to flip someone that ISN'T you.

Why do you not feel this way?

Isquen posted...

Ulti gonna pair with Sultan

They literally can't though?

UltimaterializerX posted...

If that was my plan I dont break up in the first place. I very very easily could have done a screw you for the entire day.

I mean for the moment I believe you, but there's also nothing wrong with keeping one of the other presumptive pairs on the sidelines so we could adapt to something like that if it did happen.

EDumey posted...

No, it's rigged in the sense that I am Isquen's #1 scumspect, and he's not going to date me. So I die by default instead of one of your preferred lynch pool.

He either accepts a life line from you or he watches Ulti accept your life line instead. If he's town he should prefer life to death regardless of how he feels about you.

MZero posted...

I would feel a lot better about it if Ulti and Isquen couldn't link up today

If we want Dumey to make the call, it should be me and Isquen or Ulti and Sultan

We can solve that by not fully resolving some of the other pairs until after Dumey's pair is formed with one of those two?

But yeah it just occurred to me that we could put them in the final 3 and Isquen/Ulti could just say "screw you" and date each other again. They'd be giving themselves up for tomorrow with that kind of betrayal, but we should still avoid it if we could :/

EDumey posted...

It's not happening. It's a rigged game from the start.

I'm listening.

I don't see how it could be because it should work regardless of which of the 4 of them is lynched today.

Unless you mean rigged against scum. In which case yes, it's designed to be.

Okay then we should be set to pair off to create the final 3 where Dumey picks between Isquen and Ulti

Chris / Kirby
Mzero / JC
Myself / Sultan

Yes?

UltimaterializerX posted...

If they refuse to date and I can blow them both up, even better.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1116db2e.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9ae48cc8.jpg

UltimaterializerX posted...

I want Kirby and Chris together and Isquen/Dumey out. The rest doesnt matter.

So if you were in the bottom 3 with Isquen and Dumey then a theoretical set of pairs that would fit your desires would be something like:

-Kirby and Chris
-JC and Sultan/MZero
-FD and Sultan/MZero

And then Dumey has the choice between you and Isquen with Dumey/Isquen being an impossible pairing tomorrow?

I appreciate you coming around to the idea, Ulti. I will recap again what I think should happen for today:

Today:

Group 1: Ulti, MZero, Sultan, Isquen

Group 2: Chris, Dumey, FD, JC, Kirby

(Previously I had myself in a separate group, but Kirby is of the opinion I should be more involved in the day's lynch)

1) Two people from Group 2 pair up. Any two provided they didn't date last night.

2) The 3 remaining players from Group 2 each adopt one person from Group 1. The remaining person is lynched.

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Tomorrow:

Then I don't foresee anyone from group 1 being NK'd so tomorrow which makes this a single step process.

1) There should be 3 people from group 1 left. Two of them pair up and the 3rd gets lynched.

There should also be 4 people group 2 left alive and we/they pair off as well. I assume as the lone remaining info role chris dies tonight, but I also thought he was going to die last night. If he lives then it probably means I died so people could argue against my plan without as much pushback. Regardless we cross that bridge tomorrow.

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And that should about cover it. I still think as the person pushing this plan it makes the most sense for me to NOT have an impact on which 3 players get adopted, but it could also make sense for someone like Kirby or JC to get paired with Chris tonight on the off chance he survives.

Any questions?

Dumey doesn't have to?

Isn't that your POE? Sultan, Isquen and Yourself?

So sayeth Ulti. Game solver extraordinaire.

Welp, let me know when you're done solving the game. Have to do grocery shopping and run a few errands so I'll be back later once you've cracked it.

I mean my list is obviously MZero, Sultan, Isquen if your name is being removed.

Would be interesting to see how different RWBY would have been if we never lost Monty

Well if Ulti and Isquen insist on their date then they are basically confirming that they are on the chopping block tomorrow.

If chris is immovable then Sultan isn't an option either and MZero is the last of the 4.

Sultan not moving on a night before we knew about prosty is certainly a point in his favor. But we need to consider that scum has a way to be invisible to prosty. In any case we can simply force Sultan to pair with one of Isquen/Ulti tomorrow to rule out a game over on 5 if MZero flips town.

Kirby321 posted...

Convince Ulti to break up with Isquen, then.

Because I agree with Dumey. I don't feel comfortable lynching MZero until either Ulti or Sultan flips first.

And if you or dumey dates MZero, and Chris dates Sultan then that leaves me or JC in the final 3 with the non-mzero-dater between you and dumey. Basically the worst timeline where none of the 4 get flipped.

Kirby321 posted...

Ulti, what's your argument for Isquen being town? You are banned from using the name "Lopen" in your explanation

"Someone" told him that isquen was town and he believed "them".

<__<

I pick any 1 of those 4 to get the process started. Sultan, Mzero, Isquen, Ulti, really don't care who. Ulti and Isquen aren't playing ball right now though and I'm getting tired of explaining why them pairing today is bad for The Plan