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darkphoenix181 posted...

AS SOON as they arrive at the sea the storm starts up

Where do you get this information? It is not correct.


Also, if Moses had seen 2 or more storms in his lifetime with 67 mph winds (less speed than a category 1 hurricane) then he would have known that effect of such a storm.

"So it came between the camp of Egypt and the camp of Israel; and there was the cloud along with the darkness, yet it gave light at night. Thus the one did not come near the other all night. "


This is describing a storm that had been going all night.
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Verdekal posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Verdekal posted...

Wasn't there a wall of fire?

wall of fire was Garden of Eden. Bush on Fire is moses.

Idk I just thought a wall of fire stopped Pharaoh from charging into the divide too soon.

Like something getting struck by lightning? Remember they commonly attributed weather and natural disasters to God.

"17 When Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them by way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near. For God said, “Lest the people change their minds when they see war and return to Egypt.” 18 But God led the people around by the way of the wilderness toward the Red Sea. And the people of Israel went up out of the land of Egypt equipped for battle. 19 Moses took the bones of Joseph with him, for Joseph[a] had made the sons of Israel solemnly swear, saying, “God will surely visit you, and you shall carry up my bones with you from here.” 20 And they moved on from Succoth and encamped at Etham, on the edge of the wilderness. 21 And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, that they might travel by day and by night. 22 The pillar of cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night did not depart from before the people."


I still say it sounds very possible that it was a plan and they knew the storm was coming and followed it. It also sounds plausible that lightning caused fires which they also attributed to God.

BTW a lightning bolt can be up to 5 times hotter than the surface of the sun.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Verdekal posted...

Wasn't there a wall of fire?

wall of fire was Garden of Eden. Bush on Fire is moses.

I still think they would get stoned (not like killed but you know) and hallucinate and say that was God too just like they did with everything else they didn't understand.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

because everything you posted negates the claim you make in the title and op

So my words support the claim that a senior citizen communicated with a supernatural being who then opened the sea for him? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.
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ThyCorndog posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

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GOATTHlEF posted...

Egypt didn't use slave labor to build the pyramids.

I think that you're right. I feel like I saw a documentary that suggested that those Jews were of many tribes that were known for contract labor (paid labor) and the wages weren't paid right or at all and the left.

is there actually evidence for this or is it just a case of the victors writing history? would egypt really admit or maintain that they used slaves to build their prized landmarks?

There is basically no evidence that Jews ever lived in Egypt during those times and no evidence that Exodus ever happened.

There is literally more evidence that the Iliad and the Odyssey are real than Exodus.

yeah and it was israeli archaeologists that looked into it and concluded there's no real historicity behind the exodus. it's really only religious literalists that still think it happened after looking at the facts. it's about as real as adam and eve

I don't think they were necessarily Jews. I think the story is based on an actual event and I think whoever the people were were semitic, but not necessarily Jews. I also don't care a whole lot about that aspect with this topic though and mostly just want to figure out where the hell this story came from because I do assume they aren't totally baseless and it's always fun to figure out what really happened.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

It also says it was the wind that created the path, which is exactly the opening post said is required, so... Yeah. >_>

So it says it was wind from a storm and not God or some senior citizen communicating with God? Yeah I know, that's literally what this post is about.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

. Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea

"

So why mention Moses' hand for no reason? Part of reading comprehension is understanding why all the words are there, not just some of them. They are clearly insinuating that Moses had some sort of divine power to communicate with God or else the statement about the hand would be pointless.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

so Moses walks up and all the sudden the weather parts the sea

darkphoenix181 posted...

even today with machines built to forecast and predict weather, no one can predict as accurately as tc is claiming Moses did

The people of the time were very good at recognizing patterns in the sky. This is the same reason we know that Jesus' birthday was not in December. That was star patterns but given they didn't have the weather channel the elders would surely have to figure out other ways.

I'll tell you what though, I know when a storm is gonna be straight shit while it is forming and many people can tell because conditions change. There is no reason to think no one had the ability to know when a really bad storm was coming because we can do that today and we could do it then just by paying attention. It's not like he predicted it days in advance mor is it even alleging that. Also, no God does not create the weather...
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

"The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible."
The logic doesn't exactly flow.

Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic.

The science only indicates that it's an actual possibility that it opened a path when they needed one. Miracle or not, thus only adds validity to the claim that it might've actually happened. Which is kind of the opposite of it being BS.

It doesn't add validity to a human parting a sea at all...

but the bible doesn't say that a human split the sea, does it

"So it came between the camp of Egypt and the camp of Israel; and there was the cloud along with the darkness, yet it gave light at night (literally describing lightning from a storm). Thus the one did not come near the other all night. Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea back by a strong east wind all night and turned the sea into dry land, so the waters were divided. The sons of Israel went through the midst of the sea on the dry land, and the waters were like a wall to them on their right hand and on their left.…"

It definitely implies that Moses had a role in it by mentioning his hand and the LORD (as if he were communicating with the Lord is what it is implying) but it definitely describes the phenemenon I have alleged.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

"The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible."
The logic doesn't exactly flow.

Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic.

The science only indicates that it's an actual possibility that it opened a path when they needed one. Miracle or not, thus only adds validity to the claim that it might've actually happened. Which is kind of the opposite of it being BS.

It doesn't add validity to a human parting a sea at all...nor does it add validity to it just magically opening when they needed it either.
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Zikten posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Zikten posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Zikten posted...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-evidence-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/

is there real evidence besides "Egypt said so"

because this is as useless as Japan's comments on the Rape of Nanking

it makes logical sense. the pyramids were the sacred tombs of people they believed were living gods. they wouldn't want to let a lowly slave have the honor of even touching them

oh okay so basically there is no real evidence besides "it makes logical sense" and "Egypt said so"

am i getting that right

they have records written down of wages paid to the workers. we know they weren't slaves

Depends on how you define slavery. Forcing people to work grueling hours for next to nothing "or else" is still slavery in my eyes.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

"The story of Moses parting the Red Sea is BS, science now says it's actually possible."
The logic doesn't exactly flow.

Bad paraphrasing is bad. Science doesn't say people can fucking split seas. It says that there is a reason they could have thought that because the conditions to leave the sea dry temporarily are not too unrealistic.
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ThyCorndog posted...

or, you know... moses wasn't real
I thought archaeologists (and israeli ones at that) found that the jews never actually were in egypt that early on in history and that the story of moses and the enslaved jews of egypt is essentially their cultural creation story (I'm sure there's a better term for what I mean, but I'm drawing a blank atm)

I have not heard that the semites would not have been in Egypt during this time period.

I also want to mention that I don't necessarily think it was Moses or that he was a Jew as much as my point is I feel like these stories are not just pulled out of people's asses but told from a primitive perspective. I feel it is likely possible to find events referenced sometimes by looking at what could have happened.
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https://www.livescience.com/27850-social-brain-beat-neanderthal-vision.html

"Neanderthals had a characteristic "bun head" shaped skull which allowed for expanded visual processing in the back of the brain. That left them less head space for the frontal lobe, which governs social cognition."

""We have a social brain, whereas Neanderthals appear to have a visual brain," said Clive Gamble, an archaeologist at the University of Southampton, who was not involved in the study."

"As a result, the extinct hominids had smaller social and trading networks to rely on when conditions got tough. That may have caused Neanderthals to die off around 35,000 years ago."

"To help solve the riddle, Dunbar and his colleagues looked at 13 Neanderthal skull fossils dating from 25,000 to 75,000 years ago and compared them with 32 anatomically modern human skeletons. The researchers noticed that some of the Neanderthal fossils had much larger eye sockets, and thus eyes, than do modern humans. [10 Odd Facts About the Brain]

Low lighting

The team concluded that Neanderthals used their oversized eyes to survive in the lower-light levels in Europe, where the northern latitude means fewer of the sun's rays hit the Earth. (Modern humans also tend to have slightly bigger eyes and visual systems at higher latitudes than those living in lower latitudes, where light levels are higher.) The researchers hypothesized that Neanderthals must, therefore, also have had large brain regions devoted to visual processing."

"Anatomically modern humans, meanwhile, evolved in Africa, where the bright light required no extra visual processing, leaving humans free to evolve larger frontal lobes.

By calculating how much brain space was needed for other tasks, the team concluded that Neanderthals had relatively less space for the frontal lobe, a brain region that controls social thinking and cultural transmission."


I wonder if our vision issues has anything to do with traits from interbreeding between homo sapiens and the other living hominid at the time?
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CircleOfManias posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Classical liberal. All the socialists need to move to Venezuela.

The authoritarian left has more in common with the authoritarian right than it does with the libertarian left. The auth/lib axis is far more important than the left/right one.

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No, but I can ask my attorney to request anything like that. Also, it's important to remember why it takes a 3rd party to intercept. The reason why is laid out in 10-402 "(3) It is lawful under this subtitle for a person to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication where the person is a party to the communication and where all of the parties to the communication have given prior consent to the interception unless the communication is intercepted for the purpose of committing any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of this State."


"where the person is a party to the communication and where all of the parties to the communication have given prior consent to the interception"


And this is saying it has to be a 3rd party. If you are a party to the conversation then consent is implied as the person is willfully sending the communication to you with the understanding and intention for you to receive it. It makes sense when you remember why these laws exist, you cannot eavesdrop on yourself and these laws were created to prevent eavesdropping.

So I am of the belief that it is not an intercept by law because an electronic, mechanical, or other device was used and furnished by the user or subscriber (myself) for connection to the facilities, during the ordinary course of its business., but even if it was then it was not an intercept made without consent of all parties to the communication because when you are talking to someone on the phone you know that their phone will be acquiring the communication as it is mandatory that the phone acquire the communication so that the communication can be aurally acquired by the INTENDED RECEIVER.


Then there is the fact the phone call they admit started the investigation I have proven with documents from the city to be a recorded line and for them to have no expectation of privacy regarding the matter.

and they may try to argue that a recording is an acquisition but this language here "(ii) Communications intercepted under this paragraph may not be recorded, and may not be used against the defendant in a criminal proceeding." combined with what was stated in United States vs. Harpel "The government has adopted the position of the trial court below that the intercepting device was the recorder and not an extension telephone. While such a view avoids the problem presented, we are simply not persuaded by this contention. We agree with appellant that the recording of a conversation is immaterial when the overhearing is itself legal. It is the means whereby the contents of the conversation are acquired that is crucial. See State v. Vizzini, 115 N.J.Super. 97, 278 A.2d 235. A recording device placed next to, or connected with, a telephone receiver cannot itself be the 'acquiring ' mechanism. It is the receiver which serves this function-- the recorder is a mere accessory designed to preserve the contents of the communication. This interpretation comports squarely with the clear distinction drawn between 'intercepting' and 'recording' under 18 U.S.C. 2518(8)(a), which deals with judicially authorized interceptions:"

shows that it is clear that, exactly as the judge in Harpel's appeal stated, that the recorder is a mere accessory intended to preserve the contents of a communication (intercepted or otherwise) whereas to "intercept" deals solely with the means by which the communication was acquired. So the acquisition always happens prior to the preservation and this law only deals with the acquisition of the communication, not its preservation.
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ThyCorndog posted...

:'^)

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K181 posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

K181 posted...

No, but I am saying that attempting to scientifically prove the conditions of a biblical miracle is inherently unscientific as you're using biased sources as proof and don't have remotely enough information at hand, not to mention that doing so often would assume utter stupidity on the people there to witness it if it did happen (Jesus was actually on ice and nobody noticed) or was the result of an unfathomable number of coincidences all taking place at once (this). Much easier and more scientific to state that the miracle stories were inflated or made up if your goal is to disprove the divine nature of them.

"No, but I am saying that attempting to scientifically prove the conditions of a biblical miracle is inherently unscientific as you're using biased sources as proof and don't have remotely enough information at hand, not to mention that doing so often would assume utter stupidity on the people there to witness it if it did happen (Jesus was actually on ice and nobody noticed) or was the result of an unfathomable number of coincidences all taking place at once (this). Much easier and more scientific to state that the miracle stories were inflated or made up if your goal is to disprove the divine nature of them."


"or was the result of an unfathomable number of coincidences all taking place at once (this)"


This sounds more like a great plan than a coincidence.

... what? So you quoted me twice and then a part of it a third time and then made a nonsensical statement.

I quoted you. I then isolated the part I would respond to with the 2nd quote. I then explained what I had stated already, that was that it seems like it would have been a wonderful plan and that seems more plausible to me than assuming it be a coincidence.
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K181 posted...

No, but I am saying that attempting to scientifically prove the conditions of a biblical miracle is inherently unscientific as you're using biased sources as proof and don't have remotely enough information at hand, not to mention that doing so often would assume utter stupidity on the people there to witness it if it did happen (Jesus was actually on ice and nobody noticed) or was the result of an unfathomable number of coincidences all taking place at once (this). Much easier and more scientific to state that the miracle stories were inflated or made up if your goal is to disprove the divine nature of them.

"No, but I am saying that attempting to scientifically prove the conditions of a biblical miracle is inherently unscientific as you're using biased sources as proof and don't have remotely enough information at hand, not to mention that doing so often would assume utter stupidity on the people there to witness it if it did happen (Jesus was actually on ice and nobody noticed) or was the result of an unfathomable number of coincidences all taking place at once (this). Much easier and more scientific to state that the miracle stories were inflated or made up if your goal is to disprove the divine nature of them."


"or was the result of an unfathomable number of coincidences all taking place at once (this)"


This sounds more like a great plan than a coincidence.
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BootyGif posted...

K181 posted...

I don't know what's more stupid.... biblical literalism or people that attempt to use science to explain supposed miracles in the bible.

This is up there with the "Jesus walked on water due to submerged ice" theory.

So you assume the stories are entirely made up and aren't "based on a true story"? The bible seems like the ancient hollywood movie.
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"Mr. Volzinger determined that if a strong wind blew at 30 meters per second over a shallow reef, then yes, it could have blown that reef dry. He also calculated it would have taken the fleeing Jews about four hours to make their crossing.""


30 meters per second equals 67.1 miles per hour. A category 1 hurricane is at least 74.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

Moses was also said to be 80 around the time this happened so he definitely had plenty of time for this wisdom that others did not have.

he the only 80 year old?

so Pharaoh had no old advisors who could tell him about this? hmm

You think wretched greedy government people paid attention to that kind of thing?
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Moses was also said to be 80 around the time this happened so he definitely had plenty of time for this wisdom that others did not have. Also remember that back then the area was much wetter and as a result more storms than there are now certainly took place.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

But yeah let us act like "the weather phenomena is common during extreme storm conditions like Hurricane Sandy in 2012." isn't a plausible explanation and that some old guy doing it with magic makes more sense...

just happens to occur when Moses herds people off towards the Red Sea?

Not like if he knew that this event was common from personal experience that he would suggest it as an idea to escape or anything...

this was a common occurrence?

""the weather phenomena is common during extreme storm conditions like Hurricane Sandy in 2012.""

So the question is did Moses have reason to have witnessed this event enough times that he planned the escape knowing it would happen only under such conditions?

so you believe Moses had not only witnessed several Hurricanes but was also able to witness Hurricanes that shoved water aside creating a path and then put a plan into motion somehow predicting the exact moment when this would occur and having Pharaoh let his people go just in time for him to take them there when this all happened?

"Storms"=/="Hurricanes".

And dude, if HE KNEW and KNEW that most people didn't not only would that make it a perfect way to escape, it would explain the stories people invented who didn't understand what they were witnessing but simply knew he directed them and knew about it.
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Asherlee10 posted...

GOATTHlEF posted...

Egypt didn't use slave labor to build the pyramids.

I think that you're right. I feel like I saw a documentary that suggested that those Jews were of many tribes that were known for contract labor (paid labor) and the wages weren't paid right or at all and the left.

They also didn't move the blocks very far and had on site quarries locally.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

But yeah let us act like "the weather phenomena is common during extreme storm conditions like Hurricane Sandy in 2012." isn't a plausible explanation and that some old guy doing it with magic makes more sense...

just happens to occur when Moses herds people off towards the Red Sea?

Not like if he knew that this event was common from personal experience that he would suggest it as an idea to escape or anything...

this was a common occurrence?

""the weather phenomena is common during extreme storm conditions like Hurricane Sandy in 2012.""

So the question is did Moses have reason to have witnessed this event enough times that he planned the escape knowing it would happen only under such conditions?
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darkphoenix181 posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

But yeah let us act like "the weather phenomena is common during extreme storm conditions like Hurricane Sandy in 2012." isn't a plausible explanation and that some old guy doing it with magic makes more sense...

just happens to occur when Moses herds people off towards the Red Sea?

Not like if he knew that this event was common from personal experience that he would suggest it as an idea to escape or anything...
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But yeah let us act like "the weather phenomena is common during extreme storm conditions like Hurricane Sandy in 2012." isn't a plausible explanation and that some old guy doing it with magic makes more sense...
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Wasn't the whole point that he did it on command

That was the story but was it the reality?
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/jan/22/20040122-113947-8632r/

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A Russian scientist has announced that one of the Old Testament’s most monumental events — Moses’ parting of the Red Sea — was due to stormy weather and a shallow reef rather than divine intervention."

"Mr. Volzinger determined that if a strong wind blew at 30 meters per second over a shallow reef, then yes, it could have blown that reef dry. He also calculated it would have taken the fleeing Jews about four hours to make their crossing."


"Oceanographer Mr. Volzinger studied the conditions on a reef in the northern part of the Gulf of Suez, which some scholars believe is the site where Moses miraculously parted the Red Sea.
Some 3,500 years ago, the reef was much closer to the surface, Mr. Volzinger said.
He set about calculating how much wind speed would have been needed to blow the water from the formation at low tide, how long the area would stay dry and how quickly the seas would come crashing back.
“It would take the Jews — there were 600,000 of them — four hours to cross the 7-kilometer reef that runs from one coast to another. Then, in a half-hour, the waters would come back.”
But the scientist, who specializes in oceanic phenomena, admitted that his approach was “strictly from Isaac Newton’s point of view,” adding that he had yet to inform any religious organizations about his findings."


http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/10/us/shorelines-drained-hurricane-irma-storm-surge/index.html

"Shuyi Chen, a professor of atmospheric sciences at the University of Washington in Seattle, said the weather phenomena is common during extreme storm conditions like Hurricane Sandy in 2012."
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Hagerstown . . . if you ever see Steve Shives punch him for me.

Who is that?
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Canuklehead posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

i bet he wants to grab lunch so he can attack some CEmen or something

It's probably so he can make them pay for it.

He's trying to find a new place to live and something to eat.

I have both of those things.
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DelianSK posted...

I would totally meet Dawkins for lunch sometime. As long as it's a public place (no offense)

Curious to see that brain in action in person.

Well I darn sure am not going to make you lunch. That would give an unintended signal.
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yusiko posted...

according to my google map on my phone
from my location i could reach you at different times depending on how i travel


by car - 31 hours

by foot - 26 days

by bike - 8 days

We should grab lunch.
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C_Pain posted...

lmao at him wanting to grab lunch with everyone

We should grab lunch.
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Burgess posted...

thelovefist posted...

NibeIungsnarf posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

NibeIungsnarf posted...

Why would one need to write a letter to their attorney explaining how they're innocent?

This state has believed the terms "intercept" and "record" are interchangeable for years. Apparently I am going to be breaking ground by going in there and basically saying "Yeah I recorded without consent, but I didn't intercept without consent and you people are dumbasses". Which is an interesting argument, but like I said I am not wrong and the lack of case law on the matter is pretty implicative itself.

I hope they break new ground by giving you life without parole for a minor infraction.

When is this all going down? I'll make sure to be on the board for that day.

It isn't a minor infraction. He is charged with multiple felonies and is facing many decades in prison.

How many times does the term concurrent sentences have to come up before it sinks in to people.

The judge is not obligated to provide a concurrent sentence. They can provide consecutive ones. When it comes to the BS called the "justice system" you never assume on sentencing. I didn't break the law anyways so it shouldn't matter if we get someone with some sense.
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And something being offensive doesn't make it something that can be banned in this country unless it physically harms people. Snowflakes melting down doesn't change our Constitution.
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I have tourettes and sometimes scream lines of profanities, with the N word being one of them. Would this get me in trouble if I livestreamed given those circumstances? I can prove it as well.
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I think SJWs need to stop whining and actually do something that helps if they don't like it, like vote and run for office.
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NibeIungsnarf posted...


Since you are apparently so smart, use your skills.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

f there is almost no precedent for your case in MD?

Because the fact there is no precedent is telling because there are cases where this charge was successfully prosecuted and none of them involved personal telephone calls with equipment furnished by the user or subscriber, for connection to the facilities, during the ordinary course of its business. In other states with similar laws there is precedent and they have agreed with the whole reason this is stupid and that is you CANNOT eavesdrop on yourself and these laws were intended to prevent eavesdropping.
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StucklnMyPants posted...

You guys are being intentionally dense. The policy uses the phrase "department equipment" to make it obvious that it's not talking about personal items (cell phones). Meaning the employer can't say, "we need to check your cell phone for quality assurance purposes".

It also makes it abundantly clear that anyone that works there, already knows their calls are being recorded. If it's legal for a call to already be recorded on one end, how is it illegal for the other party to record it too?

Wiretapping laws are in place to prevent people from deliberately intercepting calls they have no business listening to. Twisting the law so that anyone recording a call they are party to, is wrong. How can you go out on the street, record anyone you want to, without their permission, but not record a phone call you are party to? It's pretty obvious that these charges are an attempt to bully and intimidate.

This is also why so many attorneys are unfamiliar. My last attorney (before I fired him) literally said "This is all new to me".
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NibeIungsnarf posted...

Why would one need to write a letter to their attorney explaining how they're innocent?

This state has believed the terms "intercept" and "record" are interchangeable for years. Apparently I am going to be breaking ground by going in there and basically saying "Yeah I recorded without consent, but I didn't intercept without consent and you people are dumbasses". Which is an interesting argument, but like I said I am not wrong and the lack of case law on the matter is pretty implicative itself.
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ArchiePeck posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

ArchiePeck posted...

Legit question - have you been able to research records relating to any recent related cases *in Maryland*? I'm curious as to what the arguments on both sides were and what the outcome was.

I cannot find any cases in Maryland where anyone was prosecuted for recording their own phone calls and I have only seen it argued (unsuccessfully) in cases requesting suppression when a law enforcement officer gives someone the equipment to do so.

Fair enough.

My attorney cannot find any either.
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People pay to cuddle? I cuddle with my friend all the time and she has a boyfriend and we still cuddle...for free.

I think she is cute. Dunno what CE would think though.


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SBAllen when CJayC gave him a spanking for deleting all the logs for the server during that past year.
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KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

I had a cashier refuse to sell me NyQuil because my girlfriend didn't have her ID on her. Both of us look over the age of 18. I had a ton of stuff in my cart and I told him "If you won't let me buy NyQuil then I'm not buying anything and you can take care of putting all the shit in my cart back." Manager came over and let me buy the NyQuil. The manager pulled the cashier aside as we were leaving and I haven't seen him since.

lol. I would totally do this.
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If he refuses then I ask for his supervisor and if he refuses I just leave money there and take them.
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