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ctesjbuvf posted...

I feel like I've seen Corrik drag lies out like this as town before, it's definitely possible he is town.

Why would scum Corrik not explain himself earlier?

I guess just when I said town agreed too much Peaf got thrown in.

I wasn't gonna come out ever. Was planning to take it further actually. Decided there was no angle I could benefit town with it at that point though. So I decided to just say fuck it. I couldn't wait out Blade admitting I was right about him lying and it was nulltell so didn't matter in the end. Just had to wait until it didn't look like I became someone's little girl doggie and gave in to them. = /

ctesjbuvf posted...

That's what makes most sense to me too.

Better end the day real quick then.

PunishedBen posted...

Scum probably thinks Blade is the roleblocker who targets Wallz on night 1. Maybe that's why corrik got ahead of it, to try and prevent blade from confirming himself and damning Wallz. That's why he sold it as "I role block but you're not informed that you're blocked" ..... after Blade is lynched though, yeah that would be pretty bad. But they were in a bad place already

If you lynch Blade, it kills me and wallz then in that scenario.

Bad logic there.

Meow1000 posted...

The problem is Corrik is hardcore Corrking.

Though Peaf really isn't a "bad" vote there kind of wasn't any argument really given with it.

It's simply based upon the scum-scum day 1 mostly. I haven't read a large swath around it, but I don't believe all 3 lynches were scum and scum wasn't trying to stop something somewhere.

Lots of set lynch, end today, yadda yadda comments.

If I'm scum and I know wallz was blocked via roleblock, I know wallz is already dying day 2 unless it was an untargetable that can roleblock on interaction instead of "failed". Etc. There was no possible way to 1 for 1 there. Even without the roleblock claim by Kirby, Blade simply lives by saying nuh uh and everyone else simply going "corrik you know the kill coulda been stopped multiple other ways right it doesn't mean you did it".

TotallyNotMI posted...

If Blade was town power who knew he wasn't roleblocked, how would you expect him to respond and what would be different than how he actually responded to you, Corrik?

I believe he woulda said he went nowhere so if he was blocked it was wasted or just said I am not dealing with this cuz corrik is bullshitting like usual yadda yadda.

If he knows I am lying via role, why even deny it and play into it? He knows I am not 1 for 1ing with him. It's dumb by all angles as scum.

Scum knows I am town and would definitely be more content to let town itself lead the mislynch. But, they have to be wary on it because of course they can't look tmi. Look at the followers who put their toe in the water and weed out the towns involved.

I also considered the janitor day 1 was the actual night kill potentially as well.

Saw the no kill and was like fuck it let's shake some shit up here and create some shit to get reads on.

Still highly doubt Blade is truthful in his response fully. But, hey. It's nulltell for alignment tbqh.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Corrik?

Figured the kill was saved but I intended to say I blocked it. Like a 1% chance it was roleblocked by a role of some kind and it was Blade and if I could hit that jackpot could end a flustered Blade with the real reasoning staying hidden and drawing a shot to myself.

If Blade was town, I figured scum would see what I said and react to the situation knowing we are both town and create reads across the board and potentially draw a shot to me as a power role. As well as town reads to the situation.

If Blade was scum and didn't send the kill in, it still creates reads across the board and awkward reads by scum knowing I was lying and Blade potentially being cftwr and how they would operate regarding it.

The Kirby thing happening was... unexpected and why I backed off and supported him fully. Wasn't expecting an actual roleblock stoppage of a kill there.

Basically trying to bluff into reactions and not thinking a roleblock block was actually coming.

"Oops"

Meow1000 posted...

That reminds me. Someone directly suggested scum didn't kill Kirby because they were afraid of a watcher early in the day.

I actually didn't remember who it was but of course, it's corrik.

Good point.

ctesjbuvf posted...

That I can agree with!

Lopen probably.

You'd be really dumb to stall this day out on a single lynch.

##vote: Peaf

Meow1000 posted...

Corrik spent a day and a half calling me scum and/or a liar then revealed his entire foundation on me was a lie.

Somehow the vanilla claim actually does give me slight paranoia, but he has been actively doing his best to derail the game. The fact that he also maintained this lie through the revelation that Wall was blocked sending the kill and continued trying to kill me over Wall effectively proves that Corrik is either scum or isn't playing to win.

Still factually incorrect.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Enchantress posted...

Emphasis mine.

The Roleblock should be done and dusted before your redirect effect happens

This is why roleblocks act simultaneous and a roleblocker can't be roleblocked. Mechanics sidebar but I still stand by this in my games at least. Luckily I don't host really anymore.

How can a roleblocker be roleblocked if their roleblock happened at the same time as yours.

Meow1000 posted...

Also I find it amusing that two of the remaining people in my POE seem to be mutually planning to try to set me up as scum on a Corrik scumflip.

Lol

Meow1000 posted...

I will say Corrik changing his claim to vanilla actually does have me slightly paranoid he's town who got so locked up in his ego that he hasn't played to win since the start of day 2.

But he also... Kind of never finished any of the spew he started last night and said he would finish.

Was at wrestling. Probably won't get to much til tonight or early tomorrow

Meow1000 posted...

Ben's pretty much called Corrik out on this that I remember

What

There is a lot of people who don't know the difference between people they suspect and POE.

PeaceFrog posted...

To state the most obvious within our poe, it's entirely possible that igcd gets a big scum power for being the final on two town lynches or something like that.

Chang and Kirby are the only players 100% confirmed imo. And even with Kirby i was still dreaming up crazy theories where he and wallz were scum together.

I never understood why yinz are helping him hammer people. All the people posting after the stop suggests not scum that didn't know scum put the kill in and it was coming. But, third party win condition could be in play.

htaeD posted...

Okay so now that we know you were lying, I suppose the point remains that Blade claimed to have a power that would always know when he was roleblocked due to his type of power.
But you say that could only be a few roles when I feel like that could be over half the known powers in Mafia

Depends on how lea does role interaction pms. Mzero said she send successfuls. That opens it up endlessly.

htaeD posted...

How is Blade lying again?

He wouldn't have soft claimed town power there if he actually was town power. I have said this many times.

MZero posted...

Also since it looks like he's not going to claim and will probably get lynched anyway, I taunted Corrik

My action was successful, which means he didn't send in the night kill and didn't RB last night (which he admitted)

So basically nothing useful!

Because my power is my Voice.

Quendra, Town Vanilla.

<3

It's impossible I wasn't scanned every way from Sunday and at least a few people know I am town.

Doesn't change Blade is indeed lying about his soft power claim, but hey. What can I say! I am just a ditz with a voice.

Chang Town due to taboo if not.

jesus there is 15 people still in this game? So 19 to start. So 5 scum?

Could be 6 by numbers but doubtful. Extra kill has to be scum so lock all those town up above. Makes 5 scum.

5/19 day 1
5/17 day 2
5/15 day 3
5/13 day 4
5/11 day 5 mylo.

Yeah 5 scum.

So 3 scummers left.

Town
Ctes
Chang
Kirby
Igcd
Red
Corrik
MI

Not cleared yet in my read
FD
Ulti
Mzero
Blade
Peaf
Ben
Sbell
Death

As of right now, peaf on blast.

I'll figure it out completely by the end of this day so yinz can't lose. That's just round 1.

Refuse to believe scum-scum-scum. So MI town.

Ctes is town unless master scum. So town.

Unless town claims the lopen thing, Kirby, IGCD, and Red are town.

Kirby is town anyways.

Why did Peaf vote MI? Look hard at this.

Wallz vote was trapped on knightz fwiw.

wallmasterz posted...

I think this counts for something. There must be a means of Lopen coming back to the game.

This could just be the hosts way of indicating Lopen doesnt count among the living while vanished.

Literally ofc it was him.

Anyways I'll find scum for you all so when yinz mislynch me you can just lynch everyone I said and I'll still be town mvp. Lmfao.

Kirby321 posted...

GOOD THING I ASKED THE HOST BEFORE THE GAME STARTED HAHA

Corrik is full of shit. End him.

According to the host, if I jailkeep a scum roleblocker who targets me, we both get roleblocked.

Starting to be concerned you literally cannot read.

Kirby321 posted...

Hey, IGCD, I thought you said you needed three lynches. You weren't on the lynch at EoD D1. What's up with this post?

That's 1 lynch closer, Kirby.

ctesjbuvf posted...

What started the votes on MI?

This is a doozy post if scum by ctes btw. Comes hard-core like a town post. Fwiw.

Who was it that tried to convince us Lopen wasn't a janitor and killed day 1 btw when we reacted and would return later.

So they must not have a ninja either.

Scum has major watcher fear if they didn't kill Kirby last night tbqh.

Meow1000 posted...

Because I don't fire a kill unless I am forced to pretty much ever.

I doubt anyone here knows that even if true. Just like when you were scum you said everyone knows I never claim miller day 1 cuz I think it's dumb and you were scum.

So using that as a reason no one would ever roleblock you night 1 trying to block your action as scum is dumb. And I didn't block you with intention to block your kill anyways, it was to block you period from acting and then seeing the no kill.

Meow1000 posted...

Our motives are completely different.

Corrik isn't claiming to be petty.

I'm not claiming because I don't think it's in town's best interests to. The less scum knows about what I do, the likelier I am to be effective. If scum wants to shoot me, let them.

See from my view, I'm not claiming for town reasons and you aren't because you are lying (which you may view you are lying in towns interests if town).

PunishedBen posted...

Cute excuse attempt but NO that's not how it works. If you were to block each other though, I have no idea what would happen

It's not an excuse. Cuz that's not the case here anyways, but that is how it works in my games tho. I assumed it was standard. How can you roleblock the roleblock that happened simultaneously because then it gives precedence to yours. Not that it matters. It's a mechanics question tho I always thought worked that way.

I didn't like your comments regarding knightz after I saw his flip. I took them as indirect trying to move the lynch with keeping your hands clean. I chose you. Figured scum mostly is all gonna act night 1. I come here. No night kill. I'm like God damn I'm the shit I'm gonna ducking ace this fool hard like I did igcd. Then Kirby claims and I am like fuck... wallz could actually be the scum kill.

And no I never once doubted Kirbys claim in any form. I don't find my role and his to be an issue. Tbqh.

Meow1000 posted...

The core issue is still the same

"Lol Blade sending the day 1 kill". Town Corrik shouldn't have any reason to immediately assume he blocked me from sending a kill.

I still don't see why you wouldn't have sent the kill. You keep saying that but like why couldn't it have been you? People rely on good people like crutches and try to scan obscure people. But, even so, like... why would you assume a town roleblock existed? Let alone two of them?

I don't follow the why you couldn't have sent the night 1 kill.

PunishedBen posted...

To out the real blocker. The doctor. Kill the Blade. Whatever you can manage to do on your way down.

Why, as town, would you be so confident that you block saved the day over anything else that you would out yourself as roleblocker? Your intention was clearly to claim before thinking

I want all the glory. Lol. If I think I just tucked scum over and am about to ace scum ass blade, better believe I'm instantly claiming that shit.

And the reason I asked if you thought i was scum Kirby or town was because you seemed to have thought I claimed everyday roleblocker or something at the start of this day. If so, our roleblocks would have resolved simultaneously and I wouldn't have known I was roleblocked. (I think). Which is what seemed odd to me.

PeaceFrog posted...

Corrik, Blade is not being less stubborn or dickish than you.
You're both being obstinate.

Agreed. So why harp on me. Then you will just do the same to him once I flip what I am. So like is this how we want to play this game. You could get the same answers from him to see I'm telling the truth or prove otherwise (doesn't exist). Yet, I'm the one being harped on. Like gimme a break here.

PunishedBen posted...

Bull-a-shit. Town corrik plays to win

Nah. I'm not getting involved in under 18 child stuff. Sorry but that's a hard no from me.

Not that anything necessarily bad happened, but I just feel weird with that. I'm nearly 40. That's just off to me. Call me weird but that's how I view it.

Leafeon13N posted...

My biggest issue with corrik is I'd expect him to come out swinging for blade here.

I dont think we've seen that. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I literally admitted when Kirby came out I might have jumped the gun with my certainty YESTERDAY. And said Blade could just be lying town then. I wasn't sure but I felt wallz was scum day 1 so I was willing to play ball. Like, what is even going on in this game.

If I am scum, I know the night kill was roleblocked and not saved. Why the fuck would I claim it as scum then just to be countered? I claimed it cuz I ducking thought I blocked it. Jesus.

Kirby321 posted...

You'd be a lot more convincing in general if you were more upfront and less assholeish, Corrik. As it stands, the notion of a role that roleblocks without the target knowing they were roleblocked is utterly ridiculous.

The burden of evidence is in your court. Claim everything or don't claim anything at all. You're only clamoring for Blade to claim because you know that your goose is cooked and this is your last chance to scout out information for your scum team.

If you're town, then cooperate. Otherwise, die.

Explain to me how I have been more "assholeish" than Blade.

And honestly I don't care. Lynch me right now. My flip literally just confirms everything I said. I am not claiming. Nothing said here makes sense from a scum perspective. Like, seriously, anyone who is town just instantly lynch me. Get this nonsense over with and stop wasting every single game day over this just to see i was telling the truth and Blade was lying. Then do the same thing tomorrow when Blade explains why he lied and you have to parse if it's scum or town.

Like Jesus. Why did I even sign up for this nonsense. Waste of my time.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Defending yourself is always lol but I'd like to point out I was heavily sus of both knightz and wallz d1 and knowing both their powers now scum me could've pretty easily have been pushing for wallz more but instead I was consistently voicing that between the two of them I would lynch Knightz

Knightz surviving just one night would give scum two scan results and be an absolute huge boon.

I tried to stay away from the knightz stuff I did read because it made me uncomfortable and I felt wouldn't lead to a good place for the community. I didn't read all of day 1 but the sheer amount of people just saying he was certain scum was odd because I wasn't sure where the certainty of it was coming from. Then add in an underage user supposedly related to him or something and then him being a school age kid. I didn't feel comfortable wading into those waters. I felt confident on wallz at that time and if I had a shot would have shot wallz there. Lol

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I mean you've done nothing but seemingly lie about your night 1 interaction with Blade, so I'd say that's pretty likely, yes.

I also think you're scum based upon these interactions, if you're simply looking to take a straw poll.

It's amusing to me about how many people keep claiming I lied about my action definitively when I have done nothing of the sort.

I can go down this rabbithole forever with you if so.

It remains that everything I said day 2 is 100% truthful.

The only reason anyone even keeps saying I lied is because the person in question simply said so. Which is mind-blowing to me.

I again will point out. That Blade is soft claiming town power that can be definitively know they were not roleblocked when not informed.

This can only apply to certain roles.

I know personally he is lying because I personally know what my action was night 1. Barring extreme shenanigans.

Those certain roles are ones in which Blade would never soft claim as town.

He also has not claimed any such role outright either.

When I was certain I blocked the kill, I claimed only due to it. When another option which made that not a certainty arose, I considered other options in regards to Blade. He is scum/not town lying. He was in a corner in which he had to fight back against my claim and hope to take me out before damning himself.

Or he is trying to draw a shot by asserting town power in a role that is high value to scum.

In either case he is lying, and regardless of my action being true or not in your eyes, you should be able to clearly see that at least.

Like if you need my mislynch to know what I said is completely truthful, then let's just get it over with. Then you can be back to the whole why did Blade lie and where I already am. I'm sure he will just go oopsies I went too far trying to draw the shot Har Har Har. (Whether town or scum at that point) or somehow blame me for what he did. However, at the end of the day, it is what it is. Blade is too hard headed and obstinate and full of himself to frankly just admit he lied if he was lying town and wouldn't admit to it if scum either. So, there is really no way to differentiate it.

However, look at it objectively from a why would Blade soft claim town power of that variety. Then you will see what I mean.

You can all harp on me to claim more, which I won't for reasons of value. But, you could just as easily ask him to claim and try and prove definitively I am lying (which he cannot do because I already know he is lying).

Forceful_Dragon posted...

He was obviously trying to block you since your claims effectively run counter each other. Why does that even need to be asked?

(Edit: Swypo)

That would have to imply he would think I am scum.

Correct?

Were you trying to save me or block me in the hypothetical you jailkept me last night