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_Goggalor_ posted...

The South shall rise again!

Try it, redneck. You're side will get put down twice as hard, twice as fast. #MURICA
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PoopMcgee420 posted...

Cause Italians arent little bitches that cry over everything. They realize everything isnt racist or offensive. Unlike some.

Yeah, like white people
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Hold my beer.
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Transcendentia posted...

I4NRulez posted...

Malcolm X wasnt an idiot.

he literally believed that blacks were the superior race and that whites are failed experiments created by evil scientists

You really need to let this go. I'm fairly positive you can overlook other historical figures' racist or prejudiced leanings. It's very odd you can't let go of Malcolm X's.
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Transcendentia posted...

How do you explain MLK then? He went through the same type of society and absolutely refused to accept this temptation regarding violence and black supremacy.

And do you really think Malcom X had a statistically relevant representation of whites as a race or people? He should've realized that the majority of whites are not like that.

MLK was an extrodinary man. He tried a different approach and it worked. Just like Gandhi tried his approach to breaking British power over India when the many rebellions weren't working.

People respond to things differently. Malcolm X responded it a way that was fairly typical of human beings.
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Transcendentia posted...

I understand why he was attracted to a cult, sure. But does that change that he and Richard Spencer are literally teaching and spreading the same kind of racial supremacy rhetoric? You wouldn't say Richard Spencer is justified or a hero if Richard Spencer's siblings were killed by black people when he was a kid, would you?

MLK was raised in the same circumstances as Malcom X, or at least extremely similar circumstances. Yet he never spread literal black supremacy rhetoric or anti-white rhetoric.

The only way Richard Spencer would be equivalent to Malcolm X would not just be having family killed by black people, but having said black people escape justice because they had the backing of an anti-white government that actively put white people under black people, constantly favored black people, and segregated white people from black people by giving white people inferior services and infrastructure.

I'm not saying Malcolm X was a good man who never made mistakes, but just boiling him down to a caricature of "racist" is very dishonest when learning about his legacy. How do you feel when liberals paint the Founding Fathers as racists and ignore everything else about them?
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Transcendentia posted...

I4NRulez posted...

Transcendentia posted...

There are more ways in which they are the same than ways in which they are not. And unfortunately they are the same in the most important and devastating ways - their messages of supremacy and hatred are what have left the greatest legacy in their respective communities.

No, Richard Spencer is the son of a rich family and is preaching hate about groups of people that are beneath him. He is the oppressor spreading hateful propaganda about the oppressed

Malcolm X is a man who preached hate about the people oppressing him and his people who later came to realize that we were all brothers during a time when blacks were still being beaten and murdered by whites.

And you can look up to both MLK and Malcolm X. They are two different people, you dont have to choose between one or the other.

Malcom X changing his tune in the last chunk of his life doesn't change what he believed and taught for the vast majority of his life. It seems that you're clinging to his last moments way too much.

It also doesn't matter if they're rich or poor or if their family members were killed. I mean, it matters in the sense that it's important. But it doesn't change that they are literally saying the same things about their own race and other races, except with black and white interchanged.

But they weren't on equal footing. That actually does make it different. Not okay, but one is more understandable to the other.
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Transcendentia posted...

AmericaTheBrave posted...

I4NRulez posted...

If you isolate pieces of his life yes, he did preach some hateful things but his life as a whole shows the beginnings of where he came and the man he ended up becoming.

Plus Malcolm X's hate was a reaction to the proactive hate his people received from white people. If Malcolm X lived today and had all those views, he'd be just a regular racist jerk. But he lived in pre-60's America where blacks were second-class citizens and seen as subhuman by the whole government and every-day white people acted accordingly. He had family members who were murdered by whites who got away with it. You try feeling rosy about your oppressors living under that.

So because some of his family members were killed, somehow his beliefs about all white people being white devils and failed experiments is justified? It might be understandable for him to hate the white people who did that, but how does that change that Richard Spencer preaches the same type of racial supremacy?

If Richard Spencer had family members who were killed by black people, would that justify or in some way explain away Richard Spencer's evil views? Would that warrant people upholding him as some beacon of freedom and truth and nobility?

His personal tragedies alone don't justify it, but that in addition to not receiving justice for them because of racism, not being considered a full citizen of the country, having it actively taught that you're lesser....can you really blame him for falling into a weird cult that tried to give him some validation and him using it to try to uplift his people? Whatever happened to "you can't judge people from the past by modern standards?" You cannot divorce Malcolm X from the circumstances of his times, just like any other historical figure. Richard Spencer is a product of today's more peaceful and egalitarian times. So he's just a racist douche.
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I4NRulez posted...

If you isolate pieces of his life yes, he did preach some hateful things but his life as a whole shows the beginnings of where he came and the man he ended up becoming.

Plus Malcolm X's hate was a reaction to the proactive hate his people received from white people. If Malcolm X lived today and had all those views, he'd be just a regular racist jerk. But he lived in pre-60's America where blacks were second-class citizens and seen as subhuman by the whole government and every-day white people acted accordingly. He had family members who were murdered by whites who got away with it. You try feeling rosy about your oppressors living under that.
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Milkman5 posted...

how is Islam a race? I hate liberals lmao

If Islam isn't a race, then how is it possible to support racial/ethnic profiling of them?
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Iodine posted...

AmericaTheBrave posted...

Keep in mind, it's also possible to profile whites/Christians. >_>

The sheer population of said groups makes it rather impractical.

Not exactly.

Two examples of white profiling are cases like mass shooters and child molesters.
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Keep in mind, it's also possible to profile whites/Christians. >_>
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garan posted...

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It's about time the UK government at least pretended to be serious about the threat of radical Islam. While her stupid attempt to "control" the Internet should be shunned.

Also many terrorists are educated and well off, that argument hasn't worked in a long while - it's about the only current ideology on the planet that manages to spread the same shit to just about every country it touches (from UK, to Philippines to Australia to the US).

I'm going to turn off my evil white privilege and listen to the one person in this topic who was actually raised Muslim and knows what he's talking about. Thanks for showing up to this shit topic Gavi.

If he's a former Muslim, chances are he'd be affected by racial/ethnic profiling that apparently that Admiral guy is all for.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Why would regular racism even be a thing in the Marvel universe? Suspension of disblief n all to keep the setting relevant but there are aliens, mutants, robots, fey, all manor of insane, wild, legitimately dangerous walking talking nukes, but this different shade of your own species? "Those are the problem."
Give me a fucking break.

There's a reason the X-men were allegory for civil rights and not literally dealing with civil rights on a racial level.

Why wouldn't regular racism still be an issue? Even if they were aliens, mutants, robots, etc. around, there is no reason to believe people would stop distrusting or disliking other groups of their own species. You think if aliens landed tomorrow, people will suddenly start liking Muslims?

It's entirely possible issues pertaining to African-Americans would continue, even with addition of fantastical elements existing.

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I wanted to do a more detailed version of @HeyPuff's poll with demographic info and 1 per IP. Let's see the real results here. And perhaps find an answer to the age old question of who is more racist?
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Cartwheel_Kick posted...

It sucks. I don't get to blame all of my life's woes on another group :(

But blaming other groups for your problems is CLASSIC WHITE!
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