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Because she's basically the mariest of mary sues, is what I've always gathered. She also apparently replaced a god from 3.5 that everybody really liked or something, but that I don't know much about.

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Fluff is completely moot for mine since Raven Queen doesn't exist (and thank god).

I can go over my idea with you though, gimme just a bit, I just woke up.

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Oh as for epic destinies... I'm thinking Marshall of Letherna from Player Essentials: Heroes of Shadow

Screw the Raven Queen fluff though, Raven Queen is balls.


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inexorable advance, too

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Oh. How worthless.

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That just begs the question what's the POINT of that item? Aren't all the living construct races "living construct"? I don't think I've ever seen a playable race that is just "construct".

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As for your situations, points 1 and 2 are me playing my character. I'm not going to apologize for it. The justification was sound, and if you don't like it, tough luck.

Don't you always tell me "doing what your character would do" instead of "doing what your character SHOULD do" is wrong?

Tell me why your character SHOULD punch Shaoite guards and risk invoking the wrath of people that are not the enemy.

Or why your character SHOULD jump face-first through portals and risk ruining the image of your entire race to the LeShay, a member of a race you KNOW is responsible for the near extinction of humans in the future. (And the catalyst for why Rael became what he was. Bare in mind nobody knows if Song being the last LeShay is something that happened in the original timeline or not.)

Those sound like stupid plans to me :/

For point 3, I assume you're talking about the Portalgate? If so, I'm also not apologizing for it because the plan was bad. I told you I had a bad feeling and sure as hell, what I feared came to pass. If you had asked for a better solution I'd have been happy to throw out suggestions, but I don't like watching people set themselves up to die if I can help it, which is what was happening.

And that's fine. I will give you this much, it probably wasn't the best idea. But see, when you go OUT OF YOUR WAY TO BERATE THAT PLAYER AFTERWARDS, you've crossed a line you don't need to be crossing. Are you the sort of person that flames baddies that are actually trying at the end of a League game? Because that's just being the worst kind of person.

As for Point 4, that was a jab at how you always say 'meh don't wanna play if CPU isn't here'.

I've gotten this way mostly because of you. Even though I've been around since the very beginning my significance to the plot is basically nil other than "he's the guy that gets beat up so we don't die". The only fun I have is when I get to roleplay with Kirie because you've made it a point to drag the plot kicking and screaming by the air, everybody else be damned. And you're unstoppable, there's no point in trying to go against your will half the time. Why SHOULD I play if I don't get to have fun?

As for the last point, that all emerged because I asked a very specific question and was given a non-answer by Ana.

I'll grant you that not understanding a situation and getting screwed out of what you want to do because of it sucks. That is a fair point. Unfortunately, you went about resolving it with all the grace of a rhinoceros, and basically played the DM's hand. I'm pretty sure most of us left that session ranging from "annoyed" to "pissed off" at you, it didn't need to be that bad.

I don't really WANT to be mad at you, Kan. I don't WANT to have these issues, but you talk down to me for not wanting to work through them, and when I bring up any point against you, suddenly I'm the "humongous douchebag", or I'm "not taking charge".

I don't know what else to say to you, you want me to try to resolve this, but you're like arguing with a fence post.

Also stop calling it "Portalgate". Calling it that is equally as ignorant as comparing your time travel plan to the Holocaust.

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Yes it is worse, outright OOCly threatening to kill a player character because you don't like what they're doing is the epitome of dickishness.

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I don't even know how to respond to that last point. It sounds like "Well he made me angry so I have every right to kill his character if I want."

No seriously, you don't respond to being smacked on occasion to "LOL I'M GOING TO RUIN THE GAME FOR YOU AND KILL YOUR CHARACTER IF YOU DON'T QUIT IT BRAH".

And I still don't understand why you feel "taking charge" is more important than the enjoyment of your fellow players at the table.

When you do crap like punch the guard in the mouth and nearly incite the wrath of an entire camp of soldiers that aren't the enemy...
Or disregard all the RP going on and jump through portals thereby ruining humans for the only remaining LeShay...
Or go out of your way to tell another player exactly why their plan was "stupid" and piss all over everything they do...
Or accuse players of "derailing" for weeks because of somebody else's internet troubles...
Or throwing OOC tantrums because you aren't getting your way, forcing the DM to literally have his NPCs leap on your blade to resolve the OOC fallout...

You do these sorts of things, and you aren't "taking charge." You're being a dick.


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I do want to stress that I don't think "WELL JIMMY GOT A COOL TOY I WANT ONE TOO ;_;" is the adult way to go about this... but, at the same time, giving one player too much power is nonsense, and when they actively go out of their way to steer the game in their direction despite what anybody else wants (and even go as far as to strong-arm their will upon them OOCly. Which happened.), well...

It's bogus.

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I agree, though I think the issue with that would be arbitrarily gaining new things "just because" would be almost as contrived as the Blade of Kings appearing out of thin air, or Illumina appearing as a "nerf".

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I guess. I think the major issue I have is the occasion where it slipped into OOC shenanigans. Like, "Oh you're about to do X? Well I'm going to roll my auspicious dice and.. LOOKIE THERE! LOTS OF AUTO-CRITS! Guess if you do this I'll just kill ya." Or, promptly before that, "Oh this isn't going my way? Well I guess I'll just use inviso-dust and run back upstairs and kill her anyway."

These of course only happened once, but they stuck with me, and it solidified the problem in my mind. Val can basically kill anybody he wants to if it came down to it. I don't like the feeling of being basically strong-armed into doing things one guy's way.


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It's not about the theoretical, it's about what ALWAYS happens. At this point we seem to either just say "well Val is just going to do it this way so whatever", or through some circumstance the direction of the game defaults to going one way regardless of anyone's input (Saya resorting to mindrape, all of the gods blowing up offscreen, etc). In the case of the latter, sometimes things happen that are just beyond our control and that is okay. The problem is the former, when the narrative just decides to roll the same way that one person was pushing of it's own accord.

This is purely speculation, of course, but sometimes I feel like not just some of the players, but even Ana decides "eh **** it, just give Kanz what HE wants." Again, purely speculation, but nobody gets exactly what they want all the time quite like you do. I'm not accusing anybody of favoritism here now, but like, you keep getting so many things that nobody else does and it contributes to the whole "Valerian is unstoppable, especially to an individual in the party" problem. Which is the other problem, Valerian is goddamn unstoppable if he ever wanted to seriously butt heads with anybody else in the party. It's so mechanical that it's obvious in character.

The big issue is basically this: This has always been "Valerian and Friends" and never "The New World Outlaws Show".

To clarify what I'm talking about, this issue extends not only from combat, but to narrative. The Blade of Kings happened out of nowhere and obtaining it was practically an inside joke in itself. Like seriously, "I had a dream that I beat someone in a duel and now I have this ludicrously powerful supersword just kind of because." There was no big quest to obtain it, there was no rhyme or reason for it, it just happened. You could argue your new super sword was a means to "nerf" yourself, but no. No it really wasn't, not when you're still swinging around a special snowflake ubersword when nobody has anything that is anywhere near that level of BS.

The other thing is the deathlight crap. That's literally just saying "hey Ana, the laws of the world work my way, and I'm going to get upset whenever an imaginary soul-eating doesn't work." Like, really, that's something that has always bothered me and I question why Ana allows silly things like this.

I kind of think that this is coming across more hostile than it should be. And I want to stress I'm not really MAD over any of the issues I have, I'm just frustrated. Valerian specifically seems to get the best treatment out of anybody and it contributes to the uselessness of anybody else that wants to steer in a different direction from him.

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You realize she doesn't THINK she's damning the world, and legitimately THINKS she's doing good, right? Even if she's wrong, you are forcibly entering her mind and taking information that she had not agreed to give to you. It's a neutral act at best since it was done for a good cause, but is inherently kind of an evil thing to do.

The original point though, it wasn't something the entire party wanted to do and it just kind of "defaulted" that way. It happened completely in disregard of any other party member's input, even after the huge fiasco leading up to it. This sort of thing happens far too often and detracts from the enjoyment of the campaign. For me, at least.


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I kind of doubt Ana wants to run two basically separate campaigns. Anyway, Zeebs choosing that she wants the sanctity of her mind intact and people being ignorant aren't the same thing.

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Zeebs basically in no short words told you that you mind raped her. She did not want her mind entered and it was entered against her will.

Also, just before doing it you basically told Vance you were going to do it and that nobody could stop you from doing it.

Even if ends justify means it was still mind rape. Maybe not on the level of Learette's mind rape, but it was still forcibly entering the sanctity of somebody else's mind.

In either case I'm still irked that basically everything that happened in that cave was made completely irrelevant. If Val was left completely unchecked he was going to do the exact same thing as the plot basically "defaulted" to. Another player's roleplay was basically cast aside, and and NPC hates the group as a collective because of ONE person's actions. This is a recurring thing and it pisses me off to no end because it is even more detachment to the plot and further renders the other characters powerless to do anything about it. One person makes the decisions for everyone, to hell with what they want.

It gets said that "nobody else tries to come up with plans", blah blah, all that... But that's simply not true. It's just that half the time one individual is louder than the rest of the group and gets his way, and the other half the time an individual goes off and pushes things the way they want them to go behind the group's back.

And no matter what happens, the GROUP is collectively seen as in the wrong by the world.

At this point the only reason why we aren't running two separate adventures is because it would be a giant pain in the ass to the DM to practically run two games at the same time. Because there is very little reason for most of the group to support the actions of some of the other members of the group, but we're basically tied into acting together or just NOT playing. And that's unfair.


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We did that once and the result was two PCs rolling death saves and dropping into negative HP after about thirty minutes of OOC discussion ruining the scene, and the resulting roleplay "defaulting" to more mind rape.

Which still irks me. The first solution was "mind rape". So drama over the mind rape happens. And then the situation gets brought to the most responsible NPC to deal with.

And she defaults to mind rape.

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Ugh. Let me rephrase my apology then.

I'm sorry I came across as a jackass. It's that simple. I still have issues but they're my own. I don't want to be a jerk to people in this group, even if I do have an issue with them. That's all.

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So I wanna apologize for all the drama I caused. Though I meant everything I said, I probably could have said them nicer. It's been a trying few months for me with my family in the hospital and it's only gotten worse lately. I shouldn't snap at people even if I do have issues with them.

I'm not taking BACK anything that was said, but I am apologizing for the manner in which they were said. If that makes sense.

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I don't really have a lot to say to you. You've proven time and again no matter what anybody else thinks, you are infallible. You've proven that if anybody ever wants to think independently from you, they're wrong. You've proven that if someone else comes up with a plan, it's "stupid".

I don't want to deal with you, because I know people like you, and when someone truly decides to stand up and speak against your nonsense, you will kick and scream and aggravate the situation.

And here's the thing. I really, REALLY like all of the other players in this game. I really like Ana too. I want everyone to have fun, and I don't want to start an incident that would compromise everyone else's fun.

Because I am, in fact, an adult.

So, if you want to ride your high horse and believe that you're right and everyone else is wrong, then fine. Whatever floats your boat. I'm not going to argue with you and cause a big mess that bothers CPU, Omega, Scep, Tiro, or Ana. Because those people haven't managed to completely alienate me by being an arrogant ass.

That's the last I'm saying of this. Feel free to take the last word as you so love to do.

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I stopped reading that garbage at "your character is basically you".

No.

That's all I have to say about that. We're simply never going to agree. Whatever. I'm done with you.

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Kanz, sometimes I wonder if you even realize there are other people at the table and that you can not and should not take matters into your own hands all the time. Like seriously. You come across as pompous and arrogant both in and out of character, and frankly you're just NOT fun to play with anymore. I'm not even the only person that thinks this either, though I'm not going to name names.

I think you need a break from this, you are just TOO serious into this.

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Seriously. There is a lot of jumping to conclusions going on here. If Ana agreed to give Quentyn something and then went ahead and did his "kill the Gods offscreen" plan, that he PROBABLY had in mind prior to agreeing to give something to someone, then he PROBABLY intends to give that to that person anyway.

You're literally assuming the absolute worst. And this leads me back to believing you just CANNOT be happy with anything.

Edit: also that's omega not scep bro


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That's something I was wondering too. You already completely disregard the fluff of being a warden, or previously an avenger. Or currently, the fluff of being a werewolf. Why is it a problem now?

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It's not a comeback, and it's not being grumpy. You have a history of never being satisfied with everything that happens in this game. You went so far as to bug me about it outside of the game. You went so far as to basically tell me "Unless Ana changes things I don't wanna play anymore".

So, like, yeah.

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Well y'know, whatever. You can continue to never enjoy anything ever. We finally beat the guy. That is the important part.

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Thinking more about it I guess I'm okay with the idea of a session or two of dealing with the fallout of what happened with Ondal, but I will really feel like this has all been cheapened immensely if we go off and fight something stupid and hit epic because of it. Like what I think we really need is a purely RP session or two.

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bump

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I occasionally run into this BS where stuff like Morgana's snare clearly fizzles and doesn't make contact, but "hits" anyway. So much anger.

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Killing Edash wasn't novel, and, exactly, neither was this.

This was the end of an arc that has been building up since like what, level 14? We finally ended it, we stopped the madman that was literally destroying planes with a snap of his fingers, rescued the goddess of life, witnessed her ascension to goddess of life and magic, saved the world, ensured that nobody else had to die to the whims of a madman, and resolved one of the two major things that need to be resolved.

But 9000 XP to go lol. We're going to get it off something utterly lesser. "Keeping with tradition" is a crappy, crappy argument. We don't traditionally become epic level characters. That's never happened before. And it should be a big deal. It should come from doing something that is actually epic level.

This was. It ruins the game for me to not cross the threshold into epic off such a great moment. We won. We finally won. It was costly, but we won. Never win, so when we finally do straight up win, we apparently get nothing for it.

And yeah, like Omega said, we got a huge sum of XP for the dumb session before this one, where we did considerably less. Wat?

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Riot is a good company. Their only major problem is that their platform doesn't support BASIC things that it really should.

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Literally nothing we can do can top this outside of some asspull. So we're not going to become epic heroes after a fated confrontation, no, we're going to gain 5000 XP smacking around cultists.

This ruins a lot of the fun of the game for me. Not making a deal of level 21 and popping it after the biggest of big encounters is akin to turning 18 and pretending it's just like any other old birthday.

But, "Accel is always Wrong", eh?

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Bumo, indeed.

Hope erryone's here tonight!

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15 hours until.

Please nobody have something come up last minute :(

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REPOST, SORRY, I spotted an error I made originally.

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Assuming SBell's cool with us starting a new round without him...

UNSAFE BOY NAMES:
Alexander
Caden
Christopher
Colin
Edward
Gale
Gordon
Ivan
Jacob
Jake
James
Julian
Justin
Logan
Malcolm
Odin
Raphael
Regis
Reno
Richard
Sebastian
Seven
Sterling
Tidus
Travis
Victor

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(I think we're at three per hour?)

Anyway I save:

Caden
Seven
Odin

(I believe Gens' saves should apply too, was made between my posts.)

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Do we want to have non-canon session fun on Friday and/or Saturday then?

I'm pretty bummed nothing is happening on those days, I have literally nothing else to do this or the following week.

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Stuff lookin' good. Now if only Riot would work on basic service and stability issues that should not be issues to begin with.

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I hate everything.

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Unsafe:

Bartholomew
Lucas
Xavier

(I think this is right?)

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Hmm.

I only saved three last time so...

Reno

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Malcolm
Seven
Travis

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James
Travis
Victor
Odin
Adrian

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Really sorry I ruined playing on Saturday, this week I've had has been pretty crap. Tropical Storms that ruin all your plans are the worst :(

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http://www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm

I got 17 for Vance!

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Why did nobody tell me Sion is Superman?

No seriously.

>approach teamfight
>ulti and shield
>pentakill
>emerge with 100% health

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REV UP DEM POKEYMANS

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So.

Thursday, then?

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Oh also

STRAHAX
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