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CoolCly posted...

Sometimes like Fire Emblem I hoard though and don't end up using. Stat caps have really ruined this for me

If you respect growths this generally shouldn't happen

Kenri posted...

If Harris had won I'd be much more likely to agree with this analysis, that people don't really care.

Confirmation bias here. Plenty of reasons for Harris to lose that have little to nothing to do with that.

I feel like I'd be around a 5 on this one but haven't played enough to feel comfortable rating

Metal Gear

Really happy to see Reload get that high.

Ninja Gaiden I also love but that one was less unexpected.

Morrowind was kinda fun but I played on PC and with a lot of mods so couldn't really feel justified ranking it here (and I ALSO hardly got through the main questline at all)

MysteriousStan posted...

Hoard them and never use them like most items.

Unless it's Fire Emblem and I know what stats characters need.

The exception to favorites rule is Fire Emblem

Even then it's still favorites rule it's just split between favorites intelligently based on growths

Other: Dump them into my favorite character

PerfectChaosZ posted...

There is no question that anti-trans rhetoric has galvanized people into an anti-trans rage that didnt exist before right before a Trump presidency

It didn't? Sounds like revisionist history

HanOfTheNekos posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4d1f3130.png

The disconnect is your argument was presented as not affecting young people.

To clarify

It manipulates their discussion points not their beliefs outright. The discussion points are presented in a way where it is easy to disagree and to fight. I would say social media specifically, and the people themselves, are doing the heavy lifting there in terms of actually changing viewpoints and causing a divide.

The actual traditional "the media is directly brainwashing people" is generally the news yes. It's the platform where the time and nuance is present to actually put the thoughts in people's heads. And that's going to be older people more than younger.

Anyway I will accept this wasn't led down the wrong path entirely by your fault but... if you actually read my posts you'd know I didn't disagree on that.

Yuna
Rikku
Paine

In position

But yes this is a frivolous discussion

No shit the media is trying to sow discord among people.

Like it's chicken and egg behavior here.

The politics topic does this all the time-- it's not that I'm redirecting it's that I get stances ascribed to me that I never made because they're more easily argued against, I take the bait, and then I have to clarify my point 8 times to slowly drag it back to what I was actually saying.

You can blame me but it's a recurring behavior in here with pretty much anyone, in plenty of topics I'm not involved in, so... is it me? I don't really think so.

I mean Han was arguing something I never disagreed with to begin with. Thats why there was an argument to begin with

Obviously people need something to talk about and that topic is created by the media. Duh? Ive been saying that the whole time. Thats literally the whole point of me calling certain things smokescreens. Politicians have stances on simple to understand contentious points and the media focuses on those and creating a rift rather than talking about stuff people from both parties actually agree on. Then people discuss and villify the other side which is exactly what they want and what makes the divide radicalize.

I had to constantly redirect to get back to my point because Han was... attacking something random.

Media gets the ball rolling. I've never argued against that.

People discussing the media and how they present it (which is usually in a way designed to cause strife) is what actually causes the rift.

Like you're literally agreeing with me here you just don't know it.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Turns out they believed Trump was cleared of all charges due to Conservative media saying it...

Now I realize that I've not been hitting the trans topic but these are just proof of concepts that are pretty blatant.

Yeah

Proof of concepts of the news and social media's influence on people, not political ads, so glad you agree with me.

paperwarior posted...

They can vote in future elections. Is that not a factor?

Uh not really no? It's a factor in them voting not in their feelings about policy etc.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

But wouldn't I say "primary news message" if I meant news?

I don't have enough respect for your precision of language to assume that, no.

I also don't think "they're eating the dogs they're eating the cats" is a good example. That's not an ad that's a meme driving that. Social media. That plays to my point not yours

paperwarior posted...

Which sways the vote for politicians whose policy matches that rhetoric.

I absolutely agree it can make people vote. That's the one thing I agree with on this.

But when youre talking about brainwashing adolescents-- they can't vote. I'm skeptical ads are a factor at all for them.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

That this particular anonymous GameFAQs user made this limitation when considering the term "media" is proof that political rhetoric has a lasting impact on people, even those who believe they are immune to propaganda.

Actually no it was context clues because I thought you couldn't possibly think people were being brainwashed by ads.

Misty is always good in your opening hand sure. I just think she's of dubious use in a deck that has relatively low energy requirements if not drawn immediately. (And at least 50% of the time when she is)

Can you provide me a political ad that specifically attacks trans rights and why you think it'd be effective at brainwashing adolescents?

Like these are more nuanced subjects than an ad can really brainwash with. It's not "buy this burger yum"

I dunno I just think there are a lot of limiters on what they can actually do. I thought when Han was talking about "the media" he meant the news which I feel has the time to actually brainwash people. Ads? I think they can motivate people to go vote for a candidate? I don't think they can brainwash anyone on policy-- that requires more detail and discussion ie social media or news.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Lopen, what age of kid do you think is savvy enough to be immune to propaganda and ads, and why?

Like 8? Basically as soon as they aren't just mindlessly repeating stuff as standard behavior

It's not about immunity to ads it's immunity to political ads. Like I don't know do you guys actually watch them? They're generally just "this dude did this so bad vote this other dude"

I just... am highly skeptical of what brainwashing they'd even do.

I mean

Ads work, conceptually, because they provide awareness of a product. Hey that food looks tasty Ill go eat there. That game looks cool I'll go buy it.

I'm actually kinda confused why you all are so convinced they are effective brainwashing tools for political things

Ive always felt they were just a way to funnel money into advertising companies and people were generally in agreement they didn't so anything but be annoying. You scratch my back etc.

Kenri posted...

How would you know if you were?

I mean unless there are literal subliminal messages in there I think I'd know

Kenri posted...

But also someone I trust calling me an asshole and meaning it is probably the single most likely thing they can do to change my behavior for the better

It works both ways

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Can't you even spare a guess, Lopen? I won't gun at you for being wrong if you are.

I don't know you heard the kids talking about the ads? Maybe ad watch parties are the rage now.

Like I guess my point of contention is that I don't believe political ads in and of themselves are actually very effective propaganda and I think actual news and social media engagement is much more effective.

Why do I think this? Because I was a child once and grew up with ads on TV where you couldn't even ad block if you wanted to. Neither me nor people I knew were brainwashed by political ads.

scarletspeed7 posted...

https://backlinko.com/ad-blockers-users

Here's more stats.

Crazy how easy it is to debunk Lopen with two seconds of research.

Amusing that you think that debunks me?

Yes I know you saw them

Why are you so convinced they did anything

Kids are savvier than you think these days. You thinking it spreads through youtube ads is just confirmation bias because youve seen the rhetoric spread and you're guessing. I mean kids are just people-- has a political ad ever changed how you felt about anything, even when you were that young?

Now how about someone calling you an asshole?

Kids run ad blockers and stuff these days.

I just don't really think those ads work as well as you think they do on the target audience you think they do. "Insanely wrong" is based on literally nothing.

Yeah I guess fox news watch parties are all the rage for teens these days

paperwarior posted...

Yeah, the same political actors are using all these tools to reach all their demographics. What's your point?

My point is you control you and you don't have to help in the cycle of hate. The more people that don't play into the hand of the manipulators and try to be genuinely empathic for people as a whole the less it works.

Kenri posted...

This is why I say the general public is more to blame than politicians lmao

I agree in a way? But it's both sides and the politicians/the elite are manipulating it to be that way.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Sure, but that's inconsequential. It was their primary media message, is my point.

I think THAT is inconsequential. The media is more a tool to manipulate older people at this point.

Social media plants and smokescreens are how adolescents are poisoned. They don't give a shit about the media. Literally people like many of this topic's regulars are the poison.

Kenri posted...

You keep talking about smokescreens that hide the real enemy: here is probably the single biggest one, historically and in 2024.

Immigration, abortion, and trans rights are probably the top 3 smokescreen issues yeah.

paperwarior posted...

You say that hatred isn't the driving force for Trump voters, well, you know what else isn't? That people who they don't know are judging their moral caliber on the Internet.

I actually don't agree with this. People are inherently defensive and tend to consider people calling them out "the enemy"

Like I'm not saying their hate of moral fiber call outs is literally the driving force, but some random Dem voters on the internet spreading rhetoric telling a genuinely undecided voter how they're terrible people for considering voting Trump? I do see it being more likely they just say "you know what? Fuck you" and voting Trump than making an actual effort at determing the better candidate.

Kenri posted...

But anti-immigrant sentiment was absolutely a core reason he got votes, so.

Granzon has explained why this isn't based in racism many times and you just lalalala

Why alt right is becoming more popular is because of the polarizing rhetoric put in place by both sides lately. Has honestly more to do with Hillary than Trump

HanOfTheNekos posted...

you have to also recognize that Trump winning an election on the back of anti-trans agenda

I don't recognize this happened, no. On the back implies it was a core reason he got votes. I do not believe this is the case.

Kenri posted...

I'm not sure issues like racism and transphobia have CEOs in the same way companies do.

Sure they do. Look at the donors to your favorite hateful politician I'm sure you'll find some good CEOs to kill.

Like I'm (mostly) not saying this to be funny-- the more bodies we have the more people will realize it IS a smokescreen (democrats and republicans are both behind Luigi in the UHC Ceo thing it isnt a partisan issue) and a little fear will go a long way towards making those at the top who are pushing these agendas entirely to cause strife among the peasants.

SirChris posted...

Shoot ceos until morale improves

Tl;dr this

I think every person who tries their best to humanize the "awful people" helps. It's not always, and is fact rarely, about you. Which is an important thing to keep in mind in life, just in general.

Look into the Trump campaign promises, see what the merits were that weren't rooted in bigotry, racism, and hate, try to find Democratic (or even Republican) candidates that can deliver on those while not being hateful and voice support of those people.

I think realizing that it quite literally is a smokescreen is something that can give the voting public common ground even if they disagree on specifics or the fervor with which they care about specifics, which is why I try to spread that message.

I mean y'all are roasting foolmo for his reaction to the NDAA but I think if you viewed it for a "generally bad for human rights as a whole and also trans rights specifically due to this part" it'd be a lot better for finding common ground to rally against than specifically highlighting the trans stuff to the exclusion of everhthing else.

Being angry about it is fine but if that's the energy you project it's self-sabotaging.

Honestly it's important to realize the underlying rhetoric in that quote and MLK Jr in general.

It wasn't about burying the apathetic as terrible people, it was about galvanizing them to not be apathetic. Very different approach to what we have these days.

It's nice to say for a quote-- it's at odds with MLK's general approach though. Civil disobedience was basically the backbone of what MLK did.

I'm not saying it's particularly the responsibility of trans people to be level headed. It would help, particularly with people who are not actively being adversarial and hateful, but I think that's an unreasonable ask.

But the majority of people sympathetic towards the movement and speaking out are not trans, just statistically speaking, and as such should be able to cool down a bit. But they don't. They preach and get off on crowing about what great people they are instead.

I'm just saying most of the country is suffering in one way or another and it's important to realize that before being angry at everyone who voted Trump wholesale. The politicians are the enemy not the Republican voters.

I feel like Misty is only worth it with like Blastoise EX and other similar cards that gain something when she pops off with multiple energy. A lot of time if I play her on like Articuno and it works I end up having nowhere useful to put energy later if there's no Blastoise to be charging up.

Leonhart4 posted...

It's a shame Draven robbed us of a chance to see Snake beat Link in 2013

Story of GameFAQs contests since like 08. Rallies take away all the genuinely interesting internal results

I say this as someone who has over the years come to appreciate L-Block despite hating it at the time, but all rallies/cheating since have just existed to no fun zone the cool other things going on in the bracket.

Ringworm posted...

I hope they don't remove the existing packs when this set is released.

There's already an interface an option to change what set packs you're drawing from and it would piss collectors off, so there's no chance they do this.