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Don't worry, I'm sure we will have plenty of opportunity to use Maniac Manchin.

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The real answer is that since it's a name it's pronounced with as many syllables as whoever chose the name wants it to be pronounced with.

It's a latin name and the "correct" pronunciation has three, but that doesn't mean whoever chose the name has to go with the "correct" pronunciation.

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GTM posted...

https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/c/c8/Bea_Twilight_Wings.png/250px-Bea_Twilight_Wings.png

Bee or Be-ah?... or Bey-ah?

Anime says "Be-ah"

EDIT: Nevermind it says it both ways wtf

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Nanis23 posted...

Why are people still bringing Vlado as an example
He was not relevant for at least 5 years now

You should be glad they're still bringing up Vlado because you're pretty close to being the next example.

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A vast majority of states that are still at $7.25 are red states. The "compromise" with Romney would basically be "compromising" to do what most blue states are already doing, or are close to as it is. Thus, it'd be of no actual benefit to Democrats, so it'd be silly for them to go down that far. A compromise usually means it's mutually beneficial to both parties, not just "Well it doesn't help you any but it makes my side look good for doing something we've dragged our feet on until now to begin with."

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masterplum posted...

Oh no. Not compromise

"You need $100, but you won't even compromise and accept ten cents. Peculiar..."

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Okay so it's definitely only 2020. Lame.

Kinda funny Manchin threw a hissy fit all that time and doesn't even understand what he voted for.

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Corrik7 posted...

Don't be surprised they don't know the bill they are voting on. It's not too uncommon.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/05/unemployment-benefits-deal-to-waive-taxes-on-first-10200-dollars-of-ui.html

Yeah, that's what I saw, but that's reporting on the first one, not the second. All of the reporting I'm finding on the second says "next year" or "end of year," so I have no idea which one it actually is.

Sounds like it might be what I thought initially, that it's retroactive and applies for anybody up through when it ends in September, but I'm hoping to find actual clarification.

EDIT: I'm now finding reports that are literally saying both, so I'm just gonna assume it's last year and half of these news sources have no idea what they're talking about.

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Okay, so now I'm confused about it all over again, since when talking about it, Manchin said it protects people from being hit by taxes "next year."

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I'm confused how they don't notice how terrible the optics are on this.

They're applying a tax break to the UI assistance that passed under Trump. Meanwhile, they're effectively giving people less assistance under their own power.

Less direct money than Trump, less UI than Trump.

Amazing.

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Nevermind, I'm wrong. It does literally only apply for 2020. So anybody still getting payments into this year, or anybody starting them this year is just screwed and getting less money.

I'm back to what the FUCK democrats

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Oh, democrats are absolutely better than republicans and it's not even close

That just paints a bleak picture of the country

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In other news, Sinema's people came out and said that it's actually sexist to criticize her for the thumbs down, because it's sexist to comment on a woman's body language

Uh... yeah

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1368006300244844544

Oh so now the extra month is gone so it's just legit less money

I just can't

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I'd assume you would have learned from last time to just shut up about stuff you literally actually know nothing about, but hey, here we are

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Nanis23 posted...

Why are Twitter mad about Sinema? Because she voted against the wage ot because of the thumbs down?
How is the voting usually goes?

Both.

She went out of her way to make a theatrical display of voting against it, which basically is a big "fuck you" to those less well off.

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They're absolutely not passing another stimulus bill in August-September and if you ever thought they were you're insane. They're barely passing this one.

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I've also had time to think about it and calm down a bit

$300 for an extra month minus taxes is actually more money than the $400. Obviously it's not as good as $400 no taxes, but I have to accept that was never the initial plan and so I can't fairly be mad it's not a thing.

So I'll accept this as long as Manchin doesn't fuck it up. I'm still not happy with all of the backing down, but the math suggests this doesn't actually screw me so whatever.

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Brought in cake and made sure to try to make a media moment of her giving it a thumbs down

She's trash

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Yes

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Republicans are swearing they'll do everything they can to slow down the relief bill, including forcing an outloud reading of the entire thing and bringing up as many amendment votes as they can

It's like neither party wants to win

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red13n posted...

Actually you got really upset that we had Fauci quotes from the day prior saying he felt we'd ramp up significantly by April and insisted there was no reason to believe we'd have significant ramp up.

Also I never tied it to supply. My tie to supply was always that since we had the supply, we could always fix the rollout to ramp up significantly.

Yes because at the time there literally wasn't reason to believe it, and the Fauci quotes were literally even "if," not "yes we will," which you argued over despite having the quotes in front of you.

My point was the current pace was terrible and we hadn't seen anything to suggest it'd change, not that it couldn't. Your argument was "well they say we might so TRUST" and then we never got the 20m by December or the 50m by end of January and you still kept going "TRUST" and I kept going "Based on what?"

And for the record, we still don't know what the true pacing will be. The Biden administration clarified that him saying we'll have vaccines for "every adult" by end of May does not mean we'll have "every adult" vaccinated by end of May and that will probably take much longer.

But I'm not going to argue over this again because all you do is shift goal posts every time instead of just taking the L that your original statement of "We're well on pace, the pacing is fine" was dumb.

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red at this point i literally don't care, so here

you're right

there, are you happy now

you need a win

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No, your entire argument was that the pace we were on at the time was fine and there was literally nothing wrong but supply, which was never the issue. The issue was distribution, since states had been given literally no help. You argued that once supply ramped up, we'd be fine, which just simply wasn't true, since they kept missing milestone after milestone despite having the supply.

The argument against you wasn't that mid-summer wasn't reasonable, it was that it wasn't reasonable at that time and at that pace unless major changes occurred. They did, so we're doing better, but your insistence that there was nothing wrong with the previous pace was straight up incorrect.

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Leafeon13N posted...

No guys there is no way the vaccine supply can catch up we wont get near enough people vaccinated til 2022.

Literally nobody said that.

We just laughed at your insistence that the December and January goals were going to be met and that we were "well on track!" at that old pace.

We didn't get on track until actual changes occurred.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

By the way

"We want to ignore the rules here to pay our citizens a living wage."

"Sounds a lot like nazis to me"

literally fuck off

Sorry for stealing your line, Lasa.

This it the part I'm very confused on

Republicans ignore rules to do some terrible shit, not a peep.
Democrats suggest ignoring rules to fight poverty, "Now hold the fuck on, here, you nazis."

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masterplum posted...

Because when EVERYONE wants to ignore rules its over. If one country is Nazi Germany we are in trouble. If EVERYONE is Nazi Germany humanity is over

Yes but when it's one side ignoring those rules in order to undo the damage the other side did by ignoring the rules, then that argument becomes dishonest. Your argument relies on a heavy amount of "both sides"ing.

And it's not like one side not doing it makes the other side stop. It just means that side gets away with their shit.

Your argument is basically: "Let the terrorists be terrorists! Meanwhile, what the FUCK are you doing trying to help people? We have rules to stop that!"

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Republicans ignore rules/norms and actively change them to suit their needs: A+ good job governmenting
Democrats even suggest ignoring rules/norms or changing them: "how dare you do you want ANARCHY and CIVIL WAR and DICTATORS"

Why bother when it's that transparent


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masterplum posted...

I feel like you guys would support dictator bernie sanders over president Trump

i'd like an answer to my question instead of hilarious deflection, please

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masterplum posted...

I swear this is devolving to I don't like the rules so I'll ignore them.

You know they will be the first to be aghast when republicans take power and ignore rules

you mean the thing they already did multiple times

why should one side be allowed to ignore the rules, but the other side should have to play nice?

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Based on quick Google searching, the HG/SS hate started in early 2017. I'd say it actually may have predominantly been a GameFAQs thing, but there are random articles like:

https://uzerfriendly.com/hate-pokemon-heartgold-soulsilver-broken-glasses/

and Youtube videos, so Iunno. Probably a vocal minority thing, but there were topics on GameFAQs about "Why do people hate HG/SS?" at that time so I didn't make it up in my head about seeing it.

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Maybe the HGSS hate didn't last long, but I definitely saw a bunch of sudden "HGSS sucks" responses to people praising it that didn't previously happen. Complaints tended to range from "lazy" to "bad design/terrible level scaling/etc." and then just "G/S always sucked" comments in general.

Granted, I also browse Pokemon boards on here more than is probably healthy.

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The hate definitely shifted from Black/White to HGSS/FRLG (people may have always hated ORAS, I can't remember), and now appears to be shifting to XY.

Granted the timeline may not match up with the game releases, that's just a guesstimate of when it became noticeable.

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That said, I think it kinda coincides with whatever the latest "hate" target represents.

People hated on Gen 5 for awhile with some of the more vocal complaints being things like not enough older Pokemon and newer Pokemon designs being either "trash" or "copies of existing Pokemon."

When Let's Go came out, people started hating on HGSS and the remakes in general, which probably had to do with Let's Go itself being a remake when they wanted a new gen.

Now with Sword and Shield being the latest target, there's also a rise in hate of XY, which if following the logic, may be because XY was the move to 3D, which people now point to as a problem with the series.

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I'm not saying it's bad, I love it, too.

I'm just saying to TRE's point, you can do some simple Google searches and find "Why is Gen 5 so hated?" stuff from as late as like two years ago. Maybe it was a vocal minority, but it definitely had a stigma around it for a long while that kinda suddenly vanished recently.

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Yeah I have no idea when majority opinion changed on Gen 5 but it was fairly recent-ish.

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I just think it's silly to go "Can't believe they wasted this time trying for $15 minimum wage!" when it's something that was wanted almost unanimously.

I agree now is the time to move on without it and try something else for it, but to act like they should have just not tried for it from the start is dumb.

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It seems a little silly to blame Biden for not reading the minds of Manchin/Sinema to know they weren't going to budge. By that logic, he shouldn't try literally anything they may be against, which is great if you don't even want attempts at change, I guess.

You can't blame Democrats for never trying anything, and then turn around and go "Can't believe they even tried, how dumb of them!" when they actually do.

It's unfortunate it delayed the bill, but c'mon, now

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Oh, I actually missed her blatantly open call to white nationalists last month in her opposition to the domestic terrorism bill, saying it unfairly "targets half the country." Or, in her words:

You start looking at obviously, have to be a white person, obviously likely male, libertarians, anyone who loves freedom, liberty, maybe has an American flag outside their house, or people who, you know, attended a Trump rally, Gabbard said.

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So Tulsi Gabbard went on Megyn Kelly to, among other things:

-Commend Ted Cruz for trying to "work together."
-Trash AOC for opposing Cruz
-Trash AOC as "towing the party line"
-Trash AOC as playing victim of the capitol riots for attention
-Come very, very close to promoting said violence by suggesting the impeachment "undermined the will of the people"

This woman is pure trash and gloating about it at this point

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Is Bravely Second worth playing before this.

I know you probably don't need to story-wise or anything but is it a good game

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So it's looking like the remakes will have atleast some Platinum content:

https://twitter.com/voltimer_/status/1365373925421678598

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That was really obviously a joke though

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I think it's probably actually in response to the latest Facebook conservative mom thing being that trans people somehow can't exist because you can't change your gender and therefore you can't actually be trans and it's really dumb

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UltimaterializerX posted...

I'll let the data speak for itself on this one.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Spider-Man#tab=summary

...I think that's a bad example since, if anything, that shows that it had better legs/word of mouth than most of the other Spiderman movies.

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Sure, I'll take it back. It was just frustrating since you just seemed hellbent on not accepting our arguments.

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Yeah, it's kinda hard to separate him from the movement, since it's not like he was a guy that was known before his death, and supported the cause but died of unrelated circumstances. He literally died because of what the cause is fighting and that fueled it.

That's why it's kinda weird to argue "She may have just been referencing the person and nothing else!"

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banananor posted...

So you're saying it's racist to reference a racially charged event?

A joke at the expense of and making light of a racially charged event is racist, yes.

Because, again, this isn't just a reference. It's literally a joke about it.

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banananor posted...

So making any pun is actively mocking the source word or phrase, in your opinion?

No, because context matters.

And in this case, it's impossible to make that joke without knowing the context. And the context is a racial issue.

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