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Wanglicious posted...

ultimately it's just them putting more pressure on the supreme court on something that has what, 18 or 19 states? a lot of it just boils down to 'they really want the supreme court to say something because deadline is in a few days.'

Yeah but the defense has 27 states pew pew they win. Simple math.

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I'll happily take (Not) Left 4 Dead

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LordoftheMorons posted...

They can't say that the method of determining electors is the popular vote in the state, hold the election, and then say "haha just kidding, we're actually gonna choose some other way." If they wanted to use another method they needed to make that change before the election.

I think he's agreeing with us about the lawsuit being a non-starter, not suggesting they can change how electors are chosen after the fact.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

You guys are sort of unbiased.

Can you please explain wtf is this Texas lawsuit?

Texas AG is trying to claim that the swing states Biden won unconstitutionally changed how you can vote, and thus it also "devalues" Texas's electoral votes. The most glaring problem with it is individual lawsuits in the swing states themselves have not found the changes to be unconstitutional, so it's a complete non-starter.

The popular thought is that the AG, who is being investigated on certain crimes, is trying to stroke Trump's ego and get a pardon.

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Wanglicious posted...

huh.
how does this logic even work.
of course a cyberpunk fan will point it out in a review, that's a fundamental part of the setting, how wouldn't they? they're more likely to get way more in depth with it because that'd be part of the immersion.

Because to them, as you tell it, it'd be like pointing out that the sky is blue or that it sometimes rains. It's a non-issue to them.

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On the subject itself, I think the "bleakness" is the perfect example. A cyberpunk fan probably isn't going to point that out in a review, because to them it's just a matter of fact. As Wang is arguing, it's just "It is what cyberpunk is."

But a good majority of people playing the game aren't going to know that, or know to expect it, and thus it being pointed out by somebody not too familiar with the genre is a good thing.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

lol now she's not a gamer? You're acting like a GG stereotype at this point, Wang.

Also by outright saying "it's a lack of any perspective" you are betraying that you don't actually have a real point. The idea that this person who has reviewed dozens of RPGs AND FPS has "no perspective" is just patently nonsense.

She's a female game reviewer that doesn't agree with him and he's a GamerGater.

There you go.

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What if I knew her as Rebecca Knox though

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But America First, remember?

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Yeah it kinda is how it went.

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SantaRPidgey posted...

And yet, apparently, we have millions of people on this planet who have questioned this thought, and found not enough evidence to sway them from their actions. Myself included. Why did I do that, what did I not understand, and how can I prevent other people from making the same mistake? You can bark all about how humans "should" be all you want, but we need more than that apparently.

And one of the first steps should be calling this behavior out for what it is, not finding excuses for it. You can't begin to move on and improve if you're not willing to accept it's wrong in the first place.

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SantaRPidgey posted...

"if there's a rule, then follow the rule don't question it" is an ineffective strategy that humanity has seen fail time and time again.

Okay but this isn't some government rule. It's literally just being a decent person and respecting somebody's wishes when they aren't harming you in any way whatsoever.

"Don't touch me sexually" should not be a rule you should question. It's not some Orwellian thing.

Applying that logic to everything is probably partially why you've gotten into some of the problems you have.

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Radical Liberal Reg is trying to cast confusion on what is clearly a very obvious term that Radical Liberal Reg himself knows, and Radical Liberal Reg is just being an agent of socialism in trying to gaslight us on this matter, but Radical Liberal Reg is simply pushing an agenda.

Radical Liberal Reg.

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I think the arguments are a bit more similar than they'd appear.

Our argument at the time to the Mangs situation was "When somebody says don't touch them, don't touch them. That should be the end of it." There was no real reason to try to defend it as a mistake or missed signal. It just is what it is.

Likewise, if somebody wants to be referred to by a certain name, or pronoun, or whatever, there's really no reason to be looking for reasons and examples for why it's dumb or silly or whatever, instead of just... Doing it.

It's about respecting others instead of trying to twist things into knots because you don't like something or want something.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

Loeffler sounds like shes reading the ingredients off the side of a shampoo bottle.

Now you've got me picturing her in one of those commercials. Was it Herbal Essence that did the faux orgasm commercials?

"Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh. Yes."

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SantaRPidgey posted...

Also the incident in question was Mangs, fire emblem youtuber, claiming to have sniffed a girls hair and putting his arm around her when he slept in the same bed as a woman.

This isn't entirely accurate:

Sunday morning, I woke up being violated. I felt his dick pressed against my body. He was kissing my hair, rubbing my back and groaning. I remember this vividly.

And this was after she made him promise to her numerous times to not touch her, so it wasn't a missed signal or anything, which was why we kept arguing about it with you. I believe it's also where it got into the "Well No can often mean Yes" argument.

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SantaRPidgey posted...

As a progressive, I have to make sure my portfolio is ironclad, and I can defend it. This means I can't jump on the bandwagon of everything that twitter thinks is offensive. I have to actually self-reflect, and consider where I stand.

This is part of the problem, though. You rely so hard on what you, personally, think is offensive that you seem to think then nobody could reasonably find X offensive and so they must be snowflakes, looking to be offended, whatever. And then you criticize those people and go into "Sniff own farts" mode instead of trying to understand where they're coming from. You don't appear to want to look past your own feelings and experiences to accept that others don't share those same feelings and experiences.

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And to be perfectly fair, I'm being an asshole here, too. I probably shouldn't have brought it up. It's just hard to take what he's saying about introspection seriously when there's an ongoing pattern here and he tries to treat us like we're crazy or just can't "get" his posts.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

admittedly, i don't remember the context but i'm struggling to think of a context where "C'mon, we've ALL almost sexually assaulted somebody" is not a very bad take.

It was about one of the FGC/Melee/whatever cases. I think this one in particular a dude crawled into bed with a drunk chick and started grinding against her and shit, and his take was "We've all done shit like this is it really so bad?"

Which is a very, very bad take.

And, to be fair, more power to him if he really is trying to change that mentality. It just doesn't seem like it since he just keeps giving these super bizarre takes to defend bad stuff.

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Like, dude, I'd love to give you the benefit of the doubt and say I see where you're coming from, and good for you on improving, and all that. But when you're pushing these takes like "Racist jokes aren't the problem, we should have racist jokes, they just need to be funny racist jokes because then anybody who is offended is the problem, not the joke itself," it just seems like you're really missing a lot of it and you don't seem to want to get why.

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The reason people tend to not "I'm glad you got better" in these situations is because you keep giving these takes that makes it sound like you have not, in fact, gotten better. You keep pushing the same beliefs and protecting the same kinds of behaviors and making the same arguments and criticizing the same people when they say something is wrong or offensive.

You take this holier than thou attitude of "No, it's not offensive" or "No, it's not wrong," and you seem to think that admitting you were or are an asshole or whatever allows you to do that instead of taking a few moments to think about maybe the reason YOU don't think these things are wrong or offensive is an issue with you, and not just because people are snowflakes.

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pjbasis posted...

If davids last post wasn't already obvious to you, I just don't know what to say I guess.

And I literally said "Fair enough," dude.

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redrocket posted...

Its mostly the ridiculousness of just how petty this is on Nintendos part.

I agree it's petty. To me, I just didn't feel it was worth getting upset over since it's mostly just hurting themselves.

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pjbasis posted...

Dude if you don't think people can have a difference in opinion with a company's actions why are you even here.

Of course everything that happened is in Nintendos right. Just leave the conversation if thats all you piece together

Because I'm having a reasonable discussion on the matter with david? I never once said people can't have a difference of opinion. What are you adding by just attacking everybody that doesn't completely agree with you?

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Fair enough. This just seems like such a non-issue that it feels like it's watering down the cause a bit, but I get it.

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If I don't read other posts, everybody agrees with me!

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davidponte posted...

The part that people actually care about is them sending a C&D to a tournament instead of just pulling a sponsorship.

Okay, cool, and I've got no argument there, but that didn't happen in this case.

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WazzupGenius00 posted...

Also they didnt pull sponsorship from anything, this was Nintendos own Splatoon tournament

So they didn't even pull sponsorship, they just decided not to stream their own tournament?

My "who the fuck cares" grows even more.

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It's 100% completely fair for a sponsor to pull sponsorship from something doing something they don't want to support. It's bullshit to say "They should have to sponsor it anyway!"

I'd be with you if they shut it down, but it wasn't shut down. They just pulled sponsorship. Who the fuck cares?

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Because they pulled support for another competitive community.

Like, it's super simple. People said "at least let them continue the tournament" not because they thought even that was fair, but because they shut the whole event down.

It's moving the goal posts.

"They don't have to cancel it, they can just pull sponsorship! It's that simple!"

Okay, they did.

"They shouldn't pull sponsorship, either!"

Why?

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Okay?

Not seeing the reason to be outraged, here.

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GildedFool posted...

Because it shows he clearly doesn't know how to recognise whether people are actually interested in a relationship with him.

This is coming from Santa of "No often means Yes" and "C'mon, we've ALL almost sexually assaulted somebody" fame.

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Well when Nintendo wanted the Melee thing cancelled people said "Let them run it and just don't stream it/sponsor it."

So Nintendo appears to be doing exactly that this time. They're just not streaming it.

Seems fair?

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Yeah but people just skip that shit because they grew tired of reading about Pikachu's cheeks like 5 gens ago

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At this point I don't think anybody reads the dex entries for returning Pokemon anymore, anyway

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Are you turning them

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Yeah, honestly it's a surprisingly good gimmick. She just happens to nail it further than you'd expect from something WWE wrote.

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metaIslug posted...

You're supposed to put your hands into the hole. The granite would stay dry

Did you look at the second picture

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whose alt

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Eh, the Top 100 Minigames one still has boards/such, so it's still a normal Mario Party.

That said, I'm not sure I'd call Mario Party a crossover since it's all Mario characters.

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BlackMageJawa posted...

Speaking of Street Fighter, if you don't count crossovers, does it have any spinoff games? You could maybe call the EX subseries or the game-of-the-film spinoffs, but I can't think of anything that's definitely a spinoff.

Puzzle Fighter

EDIT: Or Gem Fighter. Their rosters are primarily Street Fighter, so I wouldn't consider them crossovers much.

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Eh, I think the lottery idea is better than that. There's zero reason to gate them to "legitimate gamers" only. That makes it unfair to somebody who may have went with a different console last gen, or a parent buying it for a kid.

That's taking a pretty big step back in making gaming inclusive.

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Lopen posted...

My friend explained why "inverted controls" (who called these inverted) are intuitive really well

He was like... "put your hand on top of your head like a joystick-- push your head forward, which way are you looking? Pull your head back, which way are you looking?"

But yeah inverted for life

That never worked for me because it's not how you move your head. If you wanna look up, you look up. If you wanna look down, you look down. So I guess since I hold my controller closer to vertically than I do horizontally, up is up and down is down just transferred better for me.

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"Dicks are going to be dicks if they can be dicks"

Brilliant insight.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

I'm not saying it isn't a shitty thing to do! All I'm saying is that scalping would not be profitable if consoles were not being sold below their initial value.

"Scalping wouldn't be profitable if companies just fucked everybody over from the beginning instead!"

uh

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TomNook posted...

You can make a case that first line resellers (retailers), should put a limit on the amount that someone can buy (many do this already). It won't stop dedicated second line resellers (scalpers) from buying from many different sources, but they can't be everywhere (in terms of both physical locations and websites) at once, which will delay their lightning speed and allow others to purchase things before them. Many first line retailers are greedy though, and don't really care. You can blame them just as much.

Also keep in mind that many scalpers are just regular people, and often poor, so they might be more dedicated to camping out if it helps pay some back bills.

Most retailers DO have limits on things like this, but scalpers are writing scripts to allow them to use multiple accounts to get around that.

And nobody poor is scalping game consoles, let's be real, here. You're trying to twist it into something noble when it's not.

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A scalper is artificially impacting the supply/demand, though. They're shrinking supply without actually meeting ANY of the demand and then inflating the price based on the restraints they now caused. It hurts both other consumers for obvious reasons, and actual production since scalpers are making it impossible for them to actually meet the demand.

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