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Inviso posted...

Merriam Webster: "sometimes disparaging and offensive"
Dictionary.com: "informal: disparaging and offensive"
Cambridge Dictionary: No classification
Oxford English Dictionary: "derogatory North American"

3/4 of those classify the term, as you're using it, as offensive.

That's 2/4, not 3. Seems quite split.

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Jakyl25 posted...

He didnt say you couldnt use it as a noun

He said it is not a noun. It is.

Also I am actually pretty sure it is rude to call an African-American an African also btw. Which, he could have went that way with his response, but he chose not to.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The difference is that if you call an African-American an American or vice versa, those are both nouns, things a person can be.

A person cant be illegal, thats just a modifier for their status as immigrants.

Illegal is an adjective, not a noun, so by definition using it as a noun is dehumanizing.

Sorry to tell ya bud African is an adjective above. And, as shown before, illegal as a noun is in the dictionary. Specifically referring to illegal immigrants.

O.o

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Jakyl25 posted...

Uhhh I dont think he brought Monica Lewinsky

Juanita Broaddrick, Kathy Shelton, Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey front-and-center changes the trajectory of the campaign's last four weeks.

He brought them for one. Was spose to bring monica for a future one. Maybe he didn't tho.

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Mike Pence had a seat for Tupac for his debate with Kamala.

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KamikazePotato posted...

...you can bring guests?

He has brought guests to like all of his debates. He brought monica lewinsky to his Hillary one. He brought someone to the last debate also. I forget who it was. Tara Reade I believe.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Again Im asking, and please think about WHY Im asking: why are you referring to them by their factual status, when youre not referencing the status of citizens of legal immigrants?

Illegal immigrants and Legal immigrants are both FACTUALLY immigrants.

Is it so hard to be consistent?

Ok I see what you are trying to say. However, counterpoint is why do you call African-Americans that instead of Americans? Aren't we all Americans? I don't see you saying Polish-Americans or such when referring to them.

If you think referring to illegal immigrants is wrong, then do you think you are wrong when you say African-Americans?

Why do you say violent criminals for violent offenders? Why not just criminals. Why do you say criminals for people who broke the law in America? Why not just Americans. Why do you say Americans for humans in America? Why not just Humans?

Your argument doesn't really hold water.

Unless you specifically just call everything the same thing then what is really your point?

The Human shot the human the other day while at the Humans Days Festival because another Human from Planet Earth was badgering the Human and his Human pals because the Human was of Human descent.



There are immigrants and a subset of immigrants who have done so illegally. If you are trying to stress you are only referring to legal immigrants you could point that out to clear any confusion. Why doesn't the word legals exist? Because it is already covered by immigrants. The expectation of immigrants is that they are of legal status. Hence the qualifier if not.

Instead of your branch being

IMMIGRANTS
^
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / LEGAL IMMIGRANTS

It should be

IMMIGRANTS
\
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS (IF NOT VALID)

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Inviso posted...

By your logic, if the person who created that website came out and said "I don't condone or encourage harassment of Trump supporters", then whoops, your interpretation of their motives was just wrong. It doesn't matter that the website has the distinct effect of encouraging harassment...so long as the person says that wasn't their intent, they can't possibly be in the wrong?

One is a factual status and one is an opinion label. That said, yes, it would be helpful if that person came out and stated that of course.

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Inviso posted...

So you can understand why using a term "illegal" to refer to a human being who is more than likely of Latin American descent is similarly nefarious, right?

And I was able to easily clarify I am talking about any illegal immigrant and that if you are inferring that otherwise then it is on you for assuming that's. I am talking about a status within America that any immigrant of ethnicity or nationally can have for being in America illegally.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Yeah, see, the hyper-focus on hypocrisy, dictionary definitions, and letter of the law while simultaneously being unwilling to entertain context or nuance...that's all hallmarks of bad faith arguments. No one gives a shit about them.

I'm not the one who regularly posts twitter accounts with hot takes of snipped conversations and speeches here. If you wanna argue about context, you gotta find the right culprits for those ones!

They are out there.

*Xfiles cue*

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Inviso posted...

And nothing on the website you posted said anything about harassing people for their support of Donald Trump. Yet somehow you were able to discern a hidden purpose to it nonetheless.

That's true. Nothing said about harassing people on it.

Let me limit the database of donations to just certain people and then state these are the people donating to a racist (opinion) seems quite nefarious to say the least.

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Inviso posted...

I mean, there's a difference between calling an organization that promotes unchecked murder and brutality "bastards" and calling a very specific group of people committing misdemeanors "illegals". If you want to call EVERY person who breaks the law (yourself included) an illegal, then that's fine. But when you're using the term to refer to a specific race and ethnicity, that's fucking racist, whether you want to admit it or not.

No there isn't a difference. Look at the words you are using. That's how you poise it to justify it.

And, nobody labeled a specific race or ethnicity here. Nice try at moving the narrative.

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How many peoples arguing in here is...

Omg a factual label about status is derogatory and contemptuous because it groups people together as others.

Then go ACAB ACAB ACAB!

Like, some of you need to be more self-aware.

Some of you think if someone doesn't agree with you or if you can't convince them of something that it is omg they are scum of the earth or troll or bad faith actor!

That's simply not how things work. It is actually being full of yourself. Chris can usually admit he falls into that fallacy at times. If you don't agree with him, you are just wrong in his mind a lot. Some of you are so unaware though it's kinda funny.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1319333450873294848

This would be equivalent to like 220k cases in a day here.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/politics/biden-supreme-court/index.html

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https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-minneapolis-george-floyd-charges-20201022-7vppakro25fztor4vg3js7scdy-story.html

Weird they dropped the 3rd degree and not the 2nd. I am guessing they didn't think they could have him charged with both at the same time. But, 2nd degree I think is going to be harder to make a case on. I forget the state differences on the degrees there though.

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Seanchan posted...

58 seconds in:
"And when I finish, this country will be in a position like it hasn't been maybe ever."

I don't have the stomach to watch the rest but that sums up the Trump presidency pretty consciously.

I mean, she was asking pretty pointed questions, but he makes them worse a lot on his own. It's just he repeats so much, and he also contradicts himself sometimes in back to back sentences.

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Jesus christ I am 11 minutes into this 60 minutes thing, and it's so much repeating repeating repeating. Then he says they didn't have to deal with a pandemic. Then brings up h1n1 and how bad they did. Like lol. geez

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Also, Trump posted his 60 minutes interview scheduled for this Sunday early because he said it proves how biased the person was.

https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=350524406214941&_rdr

Sure it is gonna be a shit show lol.

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Also, not sure if it got lost in the nonsense but Rubio is for a brokered deal between the house and white house. That's 1 republican senator and the article kind of implied there is definitely more of them. That's good to hear.

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Jakyl25 posted...

I think this perfectly encapsulates why Corrik is so frustrating to most of us. He refuses to dig deeper on ideas when its much easier to roll with his mythical common sense.

Theres a reason we have favorite colors, and its not arbitrary like you might casually believe. Theres something good your mind associates the color with, and self-reflection might help you find it if you really care to know.

For example, my favorite color is sky blue. I never put it together until my 30s that the reason for that is because it was the color of my childhood bedroom, the single place on earth I feel most secure and comfortable.

Do you think it isn't because something in your brain simply attracts to that color more? I mean, I dunno. Possibly. It's a nature vs nurture question I suppose. I just question if you think it's not possible it is nature based.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

wtf kind of a response is this?

you said "open borders is an unpopular concept for a reason," as if it's very obvious why open borders are bad. then i ask "ok what's the reason then?" and your response is this "BECAUSE THEY DISLIKE IT LOL" circular logic bullshit?

Because Open Borders isn't feasible without an all encompassing government, which is not happening any time in the near future. Me and Jakyl already had this discussion before.

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Difference is I can understand your view points. I just disagree with them. You can't even acknowledge others. That's why. CUE LASA. Being able to be in the middle and see both sides and choose the one you think is the best is the best place to be politically.

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Sorozone posted...

Problem is...you aren't making any points. Half of your posts here are about word definitions because you are so caught up in semantics because you want to be right, not that you are right. You lack any serious critical thinking skills so your points to make any sense.

Admit you are wrong and just move on.

You are in a bubble. Go somewhere else that isn't one and debate it. Hint: Not everyone will be on your side then.

I ain't making "points" because you all don't agree with them here. Nothing to do with making points. None of you are going to change your mind despite any "points" I make. It isn't because I am not making any. It is because you disagree with it. Nothing more.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

as far as things that definitely exist in our world go, yeah. Theoretically if you believe in demons or something those could also be evil.

they are capable of making that decision, and that act would be illegal, but that does not make the person illegal. A human being doesnt have legality.

An illegal immigrant is a status. Illegals are people with illegal status for being in the country. They don't become illegal people for life. Guess what. If they go back out of the country they aren't illegal again because they no longer have that status. If they go through the process and legally immigrate to the country, they don't have that status either. It isn't a badge or mark upon their person. It is an immigration status.

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Sorozone posted...

He is too busy trying to get caught up in "Gotcha's" and the absolute refusal to admit he was wrong, because he has to be right. It's really sad.

More like being dogpiled by 10+ people in a liberal bubble takes a lot more effort to respond to everyone instead of just having one person to focus on responding to. If you all want to just compare notes and make one joint rebuttal, I can hit all of your points at once and not miss anything. Save a lot of topic space also.

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Hbthebattle posted...

If that's true, why do many of these people also support politicians who kneecap legal immigration, and make legal immigration as hard as possible?

Why do you vote for Democrats that don't represent your values? How many of you don't like Biden's policies yet will vote for him in this election? Why am I voting for Biden despite Trump's policies aligning more with mine?

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

And you so graciously concede that people should be allowed to claim asylum, but do you have the slightest clue as to how long it would take for an asylum request to be approved?

So you think it's better for the taxpayers to pay to support an asylum seeking family for several years rather than let them in while their case is being processed, during which time they can find employment and start paying taxes?

That's a real swing and a miss.

Do you know why it takes so long? Because judges are so bogged down on cases. Which should tell you we have a real problem with our borders that we need more attention on. Trump did a good thing with getting more judges in the system. We need a lot more until we can catch up on cases.

Someone who is looking for asylum should understand that when coming in and also consider that having to go through the legal process is understandable and better than being where they were if their asylum request is actually legit. Though, I think we know that many asylum claimers are going through multiple countries to get here which casts doubt to their asylum claim a lot of the times.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Why do they feel it is wrong?

Because they think it is the improper system for immigration into America?

???

Why do you like the color you like?

Because you like it?

Why not a different color?

Because you like your preferred color better?

Lmfao.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Why don't they agree with it?

Because they feel it is wrong?

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

oh, saying "all republicans are racist" is wrong, sure. doesn't mean you can never use the word "racist," though.

I didn't say that. I said people who say "Republicans are racist". "Republicans are evil".

Like, some of you act like the moment you put down Republican on your voter card you go into super saiyan evil mode or some shit. It's pretty dumb. All the while criticizing contemptuous and derogatory language. Lol.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

oh here's an opportunity to try again

what's the reason

Because they don't agree with it? Lol.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Of course, conservatives have kneecapped this into to being near-impossible, but sure.

Well, guess what. Democrats are about to have the Senate, house, and white house. What do you think they will do? Democrats keep voting in the Clinton's and Obama's and Biden's as their candidate of choice. All are strongly against illegal immigration as well.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

this is the logical fallacy of the "tolerant liberal" meme. nobody's saying you should be tolerant of everything or, in this case, that phrases or terms that could be insulting to certain people should never be used.

there's a difference between saying "my grandpa is racist" and using an offensive term for an entire group of people (i.e. what you're doing). one is justified, the other is not.

Your grandpa is racist isn't lumping a group of people together you don't even know to judge them.

These assertions are literally judging tens of millions of people you do not know. Hell, I have no doubt some of those people you lump together are very much possibly better people than everyone in these topics, (no offense jakyl, soup, and Chris).

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Corrik stop glossing over posts you don't have a good answer for to discuss the semantics of your disparaging word choices.

Yes. We have an immigration system. You must enter through the legal process. If you enter illegally, you should be promptly deported with your whole family where you can argue your case from there. If you claim asylum, your family should be in a holding center together while your claim is approved or not.

Open borders is not a popular opinion in America for a reason. It is why every Democrat running for office scurries from that label whenever it is lopped upon them.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

that doesnt sound dehumanizing. humans are the only thing capable of being evil and racist and joining cults, so its actually humanizing them.

Humans aren't capable of deciding if they want to cross a border illegally?

Only humans can be evil?

For the record here is the definition of contemptuous.

contemptuous
[kntempCHoos]
ADJECTIVE

1. showing contempt; scornful.
2. "she was intolerant and contemptuous of the majority of the human race"

And here is derogatory.

derogatory
[drtr]
ADJECTIVE

1. showing a critical or disrespectful attitude.
2. "she tells me I'm fat and is always making derogatory remarks"

Think about the words you people use.

Are you going to argue that these terms for a group of tens of millions of Americans do not fit these definitions? Stop being hypocrites at some point.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Republicans choose to be evil and racist

And there it is.

No one will call out actually derogatory and contemptuous language. They will agree with it. When someone isn't using it as so, jump to virtue signal. But, when it happens freely in your face. It's A-okay!

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Ashethan posted...

Yes, it's a derogatory, contemptuous and dehumanizing term to refer to undocumented immigrants.

So we are clear. You agree with when you say Republicans are evil, racists, and a death cult that you are dehumanizing free thinking Americans? That you understand it is derogatory and contemptuous yes?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Literally says Informal: Disparaging and Offensive

lmfao

I literally said YOU had a layup response. You are bad with reading comprehension aren't you?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I took your advice and went to literally dictionary.com



No mention of legal or illegal status. Weird!

Wanna try again?

You had an easy layup and went this route?



Of course I would counter this.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I could be giving him too much credit, but I think Corrik might understand the problem with referring to people as illegals if hed take a few seconds to consider if he ever refers to citizens or legal immigrants as legals.

So Corrik, do you?

No.

Illegals is a term that exists to specifically refer to illegal immigrants. Consult a dictionary if confused.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

hasn't the united states historically been culturally diverse?

Absolutely. And, we have a system in place for immigration that must be followed. No one says diverse people cannot enter the United States. They just have to do it the proper way of course.

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Sorozone posted...

I have never once in my life ever heard anyone refer to human(s) illegal, legal, citizen or non-citizen, free or in prison reference them as being "releasing into the wild".

It's used for animals my dude.

Into the wild is used for going off into something without structure, as nature.

It's a pretty fucking well used term in IT. Used in english language to express being tossed into a situation in which you don't know what to do. Or a situation that lacks supervision, guidance, or understood rules.

Are you guys actually gaining your virtue points right now? Because yinz are surely going fully silly in your quest to get them.

Wild.

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Jakyl25 posted...

You didnt say illegal immigrants, you said illegals

Its like saying blacks instead of black people. Its dehumanizing.

illegal
[i(l)ll]
NOUN
illegals (plural noun)

1. a person present in a country without official authorization.

Just lmfao. Stop before yinz embarrass yourselves more.

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Peace___Frog posted...

If you think I'm virtue signaling and not simply disgusted at your language because, spoilers, people who were of my religion were systematically caged, tortured, and killed, then you are even worse at reading comprehension than i thought

I seriously have zero idea what you are even going on about. You literally are trying to out virtue signal yourself now. From literally talking about open borders. To white savioring the poor minorities that nobody ever brought up. To literally looping back to genocide.

Like, holy fuck you need less coffee or something. That's a wild train of thought you had because someone said illegal immigrants are illegals which is 100% accurate and like... Common sense.

You guys crack me up sometimes.

*Shrug*

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Ashethan posted...

You use terms that treat them like animals. I understand that you lack the self awareness to realize that, because you live in a conservative bubble where people are defined by what they do, rather than the fact that they are human beings. But the world isn't so black and white. You could at least try to understand why this language is dehumanizing and xenophobic.

I used terms that are everyday vernacular. I am sorry that you chose to virtue signal on the internet instead of go out and have normal every day conversations with people in real life. Maybe you would have heard it said before. ??? Like, it is funny that this is literally your comeback to me pointing out you didn't make a coherent statement before, by being obtuse.

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Peace___Frog posted...

Skimping on taxes is also illegal but i don't see you using similar language about people who do that.

My favorite is when Corrik goes full "THE LAW" mode (as in Toy Story aliens) but blinds himself to the myriad of other illegal abuses by those in power, because Might Makes Right in his world view.

If you commit tax fraud, you should be prosecuted. What the fuck are you even talking about?

Did you seriously try to virtue signal so hard that you went completely cuckoo trying to make it make sense? Lol.

Like what in the living fuck are you even talking about at this point.

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Peace___Frog posted...

Open border policy has nothing to do with how you treat and talk about minority groups.

Nothing said here has anything to do with minority groups. Show me one spot where it did. Literally any race can be an illegal immigrant. You are exposing your own thoughts as you assume every illegal immigrant is a minority. Should be looking in your mirror, bud.

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Ashethan posted...

It's dehumanizing. That you don't recognize that is the problem.

What is dehumanizing? Entering a country illegally makes you an illegal immigrant. This is like basic stuff a small child could understand.

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