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The site was an actual wretched hive of scum and villiany. It was populated entirely by people who make believing in white genocide and coming up with increasingly wild anti-Jewish conspiracies the center of their world view.

It was pure hatred, victim complexes, and calls for genocide in every post, no matter what it's about.

Some don't want to acknowledge it, but there's legitimate actual Nazis and neo-Confederates out there.

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To give a serious answer, you give a detailed overview of your chief qualifications and reasons they should hire you. You say I'm an X (career title) with Y years of experience doing Z (activities directly related to the job).

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Biden not only has a responsibility to immediately undo the damage Trump did, but to also undo or at least make up for the damage the Obama administration did. Trump couldn't have gotten as far with many of the things he did on the immigration front without the precedent the Obama administration set. And millions of people and as many families were affected by their deportations.

The President has a high degree of control over immigration policy. This isn't an area where the administration can hide behind Congress and blame them for a lack of action. A humane immigration policy must be immediately implemented.

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They're non-existent now since I'd need to fly across country as cases spike. So I'll likely be alone on Christmas for the first time ever, or at the very least I won't be with family for the first time. We'll probably do a video call.

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If only that were true.

This only makes sense if you code rich people as good and righteous and poor people as lazy and bad.

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The only positive thing you can say about this is that it's more than zero dollars. But that's meaningless. The Republican Party is a plutocratic death cult, that's why they didn't want to allow any money. But no Democratic politician should be even implying that this is good or sufficient in any way. They should pass the bill and rail against Republicans for abandoning the American people, and promise a gigantic bill if they get the Senate seats in Georgia.

Regardless of her intentions, this comes across as monstrously out of touch and callous. 600 dollars won't pay rent damn near anywhere in this country and people are owing months and months of back rent and being evicted as we speak. This is nothing more than an attempt to spin and pump up something as an accomplishment when doing so conflicts with the terrifying reality many people are facing right now.

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TC, you consistently show a lack of basic understanding and empathy.

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Do it, I've done a bunch lately and I think it helped with my mentality and confidence. You'll probably wear pants for the job, so it makes sense.

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It's almost like every single one of these "really I'm a liberal, but the Democrats/modern liberals have just gone soooo far" types is actually a fascist relying on the gullibility/selective skepticism of enlightened centrists and aware/unaware conservatives.

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Leftists would probably hate Bernie for not instituting an immediate economic and social revolution. Criticizing things is kinda what we do.

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Balrog0 posted...

Why wouldn't a mayor who emphasized the infrastructure have existing knowledge in this area? I dunno what you do you, obviously, but he probably does have more experience with intergovernmental grants and how they can influence local and state policymakers than a lot of picks would.

I wouldn't say he's a popular pick but the primary knock against him is just that it signals Biden doesn't prioritize transit policy which isn't exactly buttigiegs fault

I think a mayor of a town that small may not have the wide ranging expertise necessary to handle a job like this. There's many people who did it much more intensely and comprehensively than whatever limited experience Pete had. I'd love to be proven wrong.

Unless I get another, much better offer, I'll be working as a civil rights attorney under him so this hits close to home.

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BLAKUboy posted...

The HeS nOt QuAlIfIeD crew would be YAS QUEEN-ing the fuck out of like BrieBrie as SecDef.

I genuinely don't think that's true. There's established transportation progressives out there that he could have picked, and he didn't. He could have appointed the head of a progressive urbanist organization.

The left wants people with the right ideas who know what they're doing too. Not just one or the other. Of course the balance people emphasize varies. Brie would be totally and utterly unqualified and could be disregarded even if she had the right ideas, and would never be confirmed.

Pete may still do a good job, but it won't be because of his existing knowledge or background, it'll be because he's empowered to make changes, because of an ability to learn and delegate, and because of his personal ambition driving him to do a good job.

I care about this pick because I will likely be working for him within a month or two. I'd like to work for someone who will know what they're doing AND do the right things.

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Center left economically with a strong anti-social justice and anti-radicalism of any form edge among most people.

Basically, people generally have the "correct" mainstream economic positions, but react negatively to any suggestion that anything needs to fundamentally change.

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Go with Royal for sure, and yes, get it.

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People like Osteen better pray that there actually isn't a Christian God. Because if there is, they're not gonna have a good time in the afterlife. That's why I think all of these scammy televangelists must cynical atheists. I can't see someone actually reading and believing in the Bible and thinking this type of lifestyle would end well for them.

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He was part of the family, that's how. He was insubordinate in a charming way, rather than just not showing up for work or doing drugs.

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They could have improved the planet in untold ways if they'd done this before he was even elected. In many ways, it's too little too late. He already used the platform to launch himself to the Presidency and do permanent damage to the country.

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Chill institution, guys.

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No group of leftists could get away with statements like these. They'd find themselves infiltrated by every single alphabet soup agency and then either dead or in Guantanamo.

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This guy doesn't know anything about climate science or climate solutions. What he does specialize in is providing ready made world views for the susceptible by speaking with equal parts jargon and confidence and hiding the ideology between those two.

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ModLogic posted...

lmfao

a person who fights for civil rights issues not because they care, but in order to boost their own ego.

Advocating for increased rights and better outcomes for marginalized people for trash reasons is objectively better than actively hindering them or supporting those that do. 100/100 times.


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kirbymuncher posted...

so which one is it?

I think the existence of pretty much any fringe group on a given position will result in a certain increase people taking the extreme opposite

Those two statements were not in any way contradictory. People used that "extreme group" as a scapegoat and a shield for their beliefs. We all saw SJWs, and yet only a small group went in that direction. That's because they had flaws that were successfully exploited. They had unresolved anger, lack of belonging, frustration, etc.

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No, people are responsible for the views they hold and espouse. They fell down the rabbit hole because of the sites they frequented, the media they consumed, because of their demographics, and because they were targeted by a wide ranging movement that actively tries to suck people in.

Many others were exposed to "SJWs" and yet only a small percentage of those became alt right. That only happens when you already had trash values and thinking processes.

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I'm sure most of you people work for a living. You would all absolutely have worse lives if it wasn't for the protections California imposes on businesses that get applied or picked up nationwide.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Why is that so unbelievable? American history textbooks are very heavily White-centric, with token mentions to the Civil Rights movement (and then, only MLK, Rosa Parks, and Malcolm X).

I read my history and social studies books from cover to cover for fun. This is exactly how they were. The history of white men was primary/main history, and everything that involved anyone else was in special boxes off to the side or subsections of wider chapters. If you read those books, you'd think nothing important ever happened in Africa and that China has been mostly irrelevant to world history. There was a rotating list of like 7 black people who were mentioned by name in those books and half of them are who you quoted.

The basic history education I received was garbaje.

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Civil rights/consumer protection attorney.

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ledbowman posted...

ok good for u. see how you weren't literally a nazi

i think there is a difference in aunts who watch fox news at work and the actual evil white supremacists you all are painting them as

I think voting for the guy who separates families, bans Muslims, gasses peaceful protesters, race baits, cripples every agency that helps people, and lowers taxes for the megarich while raising them for everyone else is certainly bad enough to be a bad person, even if they're not "an actual evil white supremacist" as if that distinction has ever been particularly meaningful when it's time for bad shit to happen.

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So if believing and doing bad things doesn't make you a bad person, what does? Do you have to be the individual that came up with the bad thing too?

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I feel like the medical field has been making this same mistake over and over again for a century at this point. This could have pretty negative implications if this is borne out.

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The reaction to him makes it clear how cults and fascist regimes get off the ground. People are willing to overlook gangrape and sexual humiliation for a copy of Dark Souls or because of a "nice" word or two.

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Lmao, I loved how North Korea or someone attacked at the end. Well, there's still almost a month left of 2020, there's still plenty of time for a nuclear apocalypse in NYC.

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Vyrulisse posted...

Cool. I hope all your twitter and social media likes are worth it then. Enjoy being disregarded by most people because they hear that idiotic slogan and instantly disregard anything that follows. Which is Obama's point that a lot of people seem to be missing.

What's with the pointless condescension? I'm not on Twitter or any other social media where I'd talk about this. I'm not missing his point, his point isn't a unique one.

The disagreement is fundamentally about what needs to be done and what type of politics should be advocated here.

Even calling it a slogan misconstrues what it actually is and calling it something else would either conceal or mislead.

Much like the debates over BLM a few years ago, changing the name isn't the real issue, conditions just have to change so people understand why the name and the associated policies are necessary.

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MARKINGRAM22 posted...

Make people jobless to virtue signal and then hold giant parties. Fair enough.

It's not virtue signaling, it's objectively saving lives. And even more mass death would have been pretty bad for jobs.

The problem is he's taking unnecessary risks and flaunting his own rules through wealth.

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Basura

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It should be to investigate local businesses, schools, politicians, and other institutions that shape local life.

In reality, it's all about murder, rape, robbery, and the occasional cute puppy.

It's no wonder that local politicians get away with not changing anything because the only news people get at this point is national.

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pure_temper posted...

The man gave them recommendations and implementation guides, with the expectation that they implement what was in them. 15 police departments agreed to them. Scant number, but they must be accounted for if you're insisting he did nothing concrete.

He also "banned federal transfers of certain types of military-style gear to local police departments, including tracked armored vehicles, bayonets, grenade launchers, ammunition of .50-caliber or higher, and some types of camouflage uniforms."

I mean, you can certainly argue he didn't do enough and ask why. But to say he did nothing concrete seems unreasonable. Did these task forces find and compile meaningful data? Did they push actual police departments to change on the basis of this data? The answers to both of these seem like they are yes.

But you are right that it is activists at the local level who are doing a lot of ground work for more immediate and substantive changes. I would bet that without Obama's efforts they'd have gotten a much later start at doing that. Idk.

Fair enough. He did do a few concrete things. But those concrete measures conspicuously nibbled around the edges and didn't fundamentally touch the relationship between police and society. I don't think your average person felt any change in the relationship after these changes. Mostly what they did is piss police officers off.

And the relationship only deteriorated after these changes, to the point where I saw non-leftists openly cheering the burning of police stations a few months ago. I don't think Obama had much of anything to do with the successes or failures of activists. They're pushing for the same things they were pushing for before Obama got involved.

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pure_temper posted...

How are those not concrete? You can't understand the lay of the land without doing that type of thing first. Seems like you're being unfair.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/17/trumps-false-claim-that-obama-never-even-tried-fix-police-brutality/

We have very very very different definitions of concrete if you consider a taskforce report concrete. A report is a piece of paper, it does not obligate anyone to do anything or ban anything, it doesn't change the resources available to police or the public, it doesn't prevent a single arrest or death or lead to a single cop being fired.

The closest to concrete actions he took were the consent decrees actually demanding that specific police departments change practices. Those were a fairly good start, but those were extremely piecemeal and limited in scope, and have been eliminated by Trump.

We've known the problems with policing since the police brutality riots of the early 20th century. The problems are police impunity, racism, poverty, segregation, and a punishment and control focus by police and the public toward the policed.

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Balrog0 posted...

I mean millions of people have free health care because of the aca

Yeah, and I support that and wish he'd done more things in that direction. The Medicaid expansion alone was possibly his best domestic policy. I was more focusing on police reform, but was using the healthcare thing as an example of tangible results people need.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Far more than progressives who haven't flipped a single seat in 4 years but want to lecture people on electability.

I'm pretty sure it was the activists and progressives on the local and state level who are getting chokeholds banned, opening up police records, removing cops from schools, instituting mental health response units, pushing to defang police unions, and reallocating police budgets to social services.

Obama, didn't do anything that concrete. He issued reports, created task forces to issue reports, and said that police departments shouldn't discriminate. That's it.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

https://twitter.com/Jezebel/status/1334195359199977472

We're supposed to take campaign advice from a guy who got elected in two landslides??? Uh, yeah.

You can get elected by saying nothing and being everything to everyone. But what did he actually do on these issues? His DOJ issued a report on Ferguson, and that's about it.

Some are not just interested in campaigning and the horse race. They need specific things to happen or they will go without medical care, without education, or will risk being choked to death by the police. What did those landslides do for those people?

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Leftists do have a monopoly on being left wing. That's kinda how concepts work.

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Maybe this will be helpful. Defund the police vs police reform is the difference between "land reform" or "a safety net" and "give us land and bread". Our politics has become so narrow that we don't remember the difference between those two.

It's the difference between the thing itself and a watered down approximation of the thing.

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Funkydog posted...

All those things you want are what I would consider part of reform. Reform their role. Reduce it, change it. Make it so they aren't everywhere as they aren't needed. Defund does not cover this regardless of the intent of the message behind it. Defund sounds like just removing their money and says nothing about what you do after to them, their role or what you replace them with. Reform suggests you are doing something about that. Again, we want the same thing from what I can tell, I just think the phrase used could be better.

It's not an easy thing, given how fucked up the justice system is from top to bottom and I'm not sure is any easy fix to it at all. But unless we want to go all French Revolution, we have to work with the corrupt politicians we've got.

So if the demand is instead "defund the police and invest the people" you wouldn't have a problem with it? You'd be on board?

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COVxy posted...

I mean, I just wish people would be honest. It's not a coincidence that these types of rallying cries are set up the way they are. They are meant to be bombastic to get attention, "to get people talking".

But at some point it is necessary to pivot to make progress. And when that doesn't happen there's a bunch of people pretending like the original slogan wasn't crafted to incite emotion and grab attention, without much care about the reflection on the overall goals.

But the thing is, it wasn't. The defunding and abolition movement wasn't created through normal legislative focused politics and it's not a recent invention. It goes back decades and was created by activists, academics, and people affected by policing and incarceration. It wasn't focus grouped or poll tested or created by a PR firm to make heads swivel or drive engagement. It was and is simply a statement of what they thought was necessary.

People are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole here with their analysis of the phrase. It's not a slogan that needs to be filtered through the political system and then pounded into the shape of an actual implementing policy. It's a statement of the endpoint itself. People are so used to typical slogans that they've forgotten what a demand for concrete change looks like and try to transform it into a typical slogan so that they can be comfortable with the underlying idea.

That doesn't work here because defunding the police means a break with how undesirable behavior has been managed in this country since the invention of professional police forces.

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Funkydog posted...

I'm saying that what you're describing is what I would call reform and I feel better describes it. "Defund it" comes across as just tearing it down without proper replacements, while reform suggests fixing it (as much you can fix a broken justice system) in various ways. All the ways you say are ones I'd support and do think many of the military level of budgets American police seem to get should be cut so better social programmes etc can get funded instead. Reform is something we can get politicians to support as well, as practically none have supported defund to my knowledge.

Anything better than the idiocy of requiring degrees they want to implement here in Britain though, as if that will fix anything >.>

How is getting rid of policing the same as fixing policing? One has policing, the other doesn't. I have certainly never ever seen any activist want to get rid of policing without replacing it with anything. The replacement part and the criticism of the lack of investment in anti-poverty and anti-racism measures is central to the argument for defunding, it's even more central than police brutality and social control.

Reform certainly doesn't capture what activists want because that assumes police will still have the same role in society. People have been trying to reform policing for decades, with some success, but with much more failure. And in the midst of all that reform, police are now in schools, arresting students, they're in work places, their budgets take up a larger and larger share of municipal expenditures etc. Reducing their role, possibly to the point of elimination seems categorically different to me and to the activists.

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Funkydog posted...

It seems like semantics to me. I consider what you say reform myself, and I think what many others would see so as well. "Defund" just comes across as removing without any replacement and leaving it to criminals to behave.

I really don't understand what you're saying. Is defunding the same as reform or is it radically removing police and leaving us at the mercy of criminals? Because you're calling what I just outlined reform, but it is a core example of defunding that heavily trends in the direction of abolition.

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Veggeta X posted...

"What I mean is..."

Sound familiar?

I'm saying the non-BLM people who don't want to defund the police have been talking about police reform our entire lives and beyond that and yet what has actually happened? Police budgets have gone up as social services continue to be slashed. Seems that reform framing is not very effective either.

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