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Death you still claiming Mary Shelley? What you make of Pez's flip?
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How did Cam react to the cop claim yesterday I forget
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Mafia killing Lolo night 3 is absurd is what clears 5tar
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Camarija posted...

You're clearing players based on who Lolo claimed he protected

However, Lolo could have just been directly attacked

Lolo being attacked directly night 3 is an illogical mafia kill
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Camarija posted...

No

Directly killing players is a thing

What?
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Obellisk posted...

I know we have marked death waiting on the door step but.

##vote:5tar

Can someone other than 5tar reiterate exactly how he revealed his scans.

Keep in mind Lolo claimed to BG 5tar and Corrik claimed to use his ability on Lolo. Both confirmed town. Lolo would be an illogical scum kill yesterday, so 5tar is confirmed town.

By extension Tom is all but confirmed town.
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Yeah like Iceman I think chairs to the head are fine as long as used sparingly, if the performer wants to do it, but putting your hands up to guard it is safer and looks better
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An android is just a robot with a human appearance
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I'm just saying I feel like FFVIII would be better with draw removed or retooled somehow. The whole stock system is kinda bad cause you're discouraged from casting, encouraged to spam draw if you don't delve deep into mechanics.

I mean it's fun to break the game with junction but lot of weird stuff going on with the system. Just not implemented very well.
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I am the Bone of my Sword
Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood.
I have created over a Thousand Blades,
Unknown to Death,
Nor known to Life.
Have withstood Pain to create many Weapons
Yet those Hands will never hold Anything.
So, as I Pray--
Unlimited Blade Works

##Dayvig: Ben
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I meant Ulti being dumb about less use out of flavor cop

Like we've already mass claimed how does it make sense that scum will just claim their actual flavor
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I thought that was shade at Ulti
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Yeah that's why I claimed a Triceratops

They're the real villains of Jurassic Park. Don't want the flavor scanner to catch me
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I think what I've done is far too blatant to be the scummiest

I mean he's going to flip town so I'll accept your apology later but you know, just running with the theory that MAYBE I'm wrong here
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I'm going to be mad if you scan Ulti and then push for my lynch
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I agreed with you on Tom since mid day 3 at least!
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Ben could have convinced people of Death without revealing the scan is mostly what I'm ornery about. The substance of why MZero was lynched applies to Death-- don't care how much you wanna play up "oh he was so scummy!!!!"
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To explain Ulti he has been playing up my preconceptions that he's town that has tunnel vision a bit too much. He feels like he's on cruise control now especially after being "confirmed." I feel like he's trying to just be low impact than thinking about the game

No chance I die if this dude is scum though. Easy fall guy lynch here.
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Death
Corrik
Ulti (godfather)
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Well plenty of people "believe" you yet have some preference to one or the other. I'm just bringing up a factor I don't feel got enough talk.
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Assuming I believed Ben and wanted to cut losses I think Death is the better lynch of the two because if both are town I see Pez as more likely to help solve the game.
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Vote Ben thanks
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We need better replacements
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Drawing should still count against FFVIII even if you can card refine out of needing it

Bad learning curve that tempts people into doing a tedious thing as a solution is not good design
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Do you not think trying to go for Death instead of MZero just makes more sense Ulti?
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And here's the thing with going for a lynch if you have a scum scan and not wanting to give up you scanned it, particularly if you're a very "feeling" based player-- you can justify a lynch on someone based on anything. If you know you're right you can say basically any post "comes off as fake." Being real, that's not what convinced anyone and it was completely a case of "inactive claimed bodyguard vs inactive won't claim"

But I feel like Ben did none of that for Death. Any effort was put on framing MZero as scum. Death was largely ignored. Put him on some lists and you've done your due diligence. That's not good cop play,
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You refused to claim for a long time and I think acknowledging you deserve it is actually worse than what MZero did as far as "giving up" is concerned
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benjamin3740 posted...

Bad or no justifications for his reads and his reads changing. Came off as fake reads.

Very vague. Easily arguable for Death.

His sudden reaction to Sbell and his spiel of "I caught scum on a silver platter" was over the top and felt fake. Especially since he was giving little justification for a read he was acting so confident on.

I believe this occurred day 3. Weird you were on MZero day 2. Also did you ever use this (or the other points) in a post to argue he was scum? If so could you link it?

Refusing to claim. Not even trying to save himself from being mislynched. Felt like he was giving up

Literally couldn't apply to Death without you pressuring him. Does apply to SBell who you now think is town though
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benjamin3740 posted...

The things Mzero did that were anti town in NO WAY whatsoever applied to Death or Pez.

Name them.
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Scum list when Ben flips scum.

1. Ben
2. Corrik (his support of Ben today feels incredibly forced and out of line with his other days)
3. Lolo (don't feel yesterday's lynch was town/town. Could see a scum team with Corrik NKing to confirm Corrik especially after Ben forces a mislynch)
4. Cam (Still like the lone wolf theory to explain the nk tbh)

This is largely PoE based as well. Not many others even possibilities. SBell could maybe buy as scum.
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Here is a tip, Ben, on the off chance you actually are a town cop

If you can't create arguments on people with better justification than "gut" or "inactive" you should always try to just bs that on your scum scans first if it applies to them as well. Your other suspects you can go for after you've scanned them.

Scum is not going to suspect you unless you're right. And if you are they suspect you if you're right because of scan or because of random chance.
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benjamin3740 posted...

I think I've already decided lopen is scum. I just want to see his reaction now to when I'm right since he's never for a second considered a game where Pez and Death are scum

Also this post makes no sense

If I'm scum don't I know who the scum are

This is what we call inorganic thought process. Scumslip if you will
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Obellisk posted...

Um no. If you think he's lying town vanilla trying to get us to lynch his scum pool that makes him town

If he's wrong you lynch two town, and statistically he'll be wrong more often than right if it's based just off his gut. It's damage control. If the thought that they were scum was better justified he'd be able to articulate better and not just fakescan crutch it, then you could maybe respect it as not just being an arrogant shot in the dark.
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benjamin3740 posted...

I think I've already decided lopen is scum. I just want to see his reaction now to when I'm right since he's never for a second considered a game where Pez and Death are scum

Honestly if you just admitted you played poorly as cop I might be more inclined to believe you

Trying to pretend what I'm saying has no merit is just laughable though
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Lea3Lea posted...

Lopen, if you think Ben is scum why do you keep arguing with him? You're never going to convince Ben that he's scum. Doesn't seem very productive for your goals

No shit. I'm convincing people who read the argument he's scum because his course of action makes no sense for a cop with a day 1 guilty scan on Death
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benjamin3740 posted...

No

Just no

Oh okay good counter argument scum
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Lopen posted...

If MZero flips scum, scumteam probably suspects you just as well as they would have had you lynched, so you're playing with the same amount of risk of being found out.

Er phone butchered what I was saying there.

If he is scum, your weak argument on him probably makes scum think you're power just as much as they would have had you employed a similarly weak argument against Death

Trying to preserve your secrecy doesn't seem like a logical thought to have there if you thought MZero was scum
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benjamin3740 posted...

How am I gonna push against death with no evidence outside of either claiming im cop or hinting to the scum team that I'm cop? I did try to push Pez since I thought it would make some sense with how I was interrogating him and Tom all day and saying I wanted to lynch one of the roommates. I was not equipped to lynch Death without revealing information.

Here's the problem. You could have easily lynched Death with the same argument you lynched MZero with, which was a mostly non-existent lurking based argument and a bunch of situational weak stuff that you could have dug up for anyone including Death

If MZero flips scum, scumteam probably suspects you just as well as they would have had you lynched, so you're playing with the same amount of risk of being found out.

So again, why not just go Death there?
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Note the passive way Ben calls me scum there. He eliminates everyone else with minimal justification, then can't even actually say I'm scum

It's so passive mafia scum logic it hurts
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Honestly even if you think Ben is lying town vanilla lynching him is probably smartest. If he's wrong and is just gut shotting suspects we have two mislynches instead of one

You really should only vote Death or Pez if you believe him outright.
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I suspect if it came down to Pez vs Ben you would see the light and vote Ben which is enough for me to give you more credit than most town
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Obellisk posted...

No matter how much you talk pez will always mathematicaly make more sense

I agree with Tom that arrogant town vanilla gambit is high enough probability that choosing which is scummier is probably smarter

Choosing to lynch Ben is smartest though
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Let it be noted Ben disappeared when I pushed him on why not push Death yesterday instead of MZero

Probably because there's no actual town cop way to answer it
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Lopen posted...

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I didn't think that. I had death as confirmed scum

Then why not pursue him over MZero and later scan MZero? You have failed to put much meat on the bone of MZero aside from trying to claim that anyone thinking he's town has no credibility.

By the way Ben I would like an answer on this. You've been avoiding it.
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The arguments were flawed because they applied equally if not more so to other people which had been completely ignored. This was said yesterday.
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benjamin3740 posted...

So instead of deciding that me and Lea were wrong and Mzero is town you decided that Mzero is town because we're wrong?

It was not that you were wrong but how you were wrong. The argument had no substance and you kept going to it. It felt like he was a safe park for scum to fake committing to something without committing to it.

benjamin3740 posted...

I didn't think that. I had death as confirmed scum

Then why not pursue him over MZero and later scan MZero? You have failed to put much meat on the bone of MZero aside from trying to claim that anyone thinking he's town has no credibility.
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Also none of this says why you thought he was more likely to be scum than Death.
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