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When it comes to things like Cheeseburgers and Fries, i agree, it is a personal choice. And eating too much of it can cause problems...But things like Cigarettes are designed to get people addicted with no other benefit at all. If I'm cautious about my diet and how much i eat, i can go to McDonalds and have a big mac combo twice a week even and still be fine. Plus, Even if the nutritional content isn't stellar, its still doing something positive to me. its sustaining me. You just have to watch how much you eat with regard to fat and sugar.

What does a Cigarette do for me that's positive? same can be said for alcohol. I know standard nicotine withdrawals aren't as bad as with other drugs, or even alcohol, but "cheeseburger" withdrawal isn't a thing. Yea, people can get addicted in the sense that they always want to have one and its all they want to eat....but Nicotine, Ethanol...Those things actually fuck with your brain chemistry to the point where if you take too much and then don't have it, your body gets fucked up. People don't start to involuntarily shake because they can't have a whopper. So i don't think its fair to compare the two.

With everything mentioned here is all about responsibility and moderation, But what benefit do cigarettes serve? Even alcohol doesn't have a benefit but you could argue that its better than cigs because if you're able to moderate it it can be fun for a good time with no major affect on your body....just like a trip to McDonalds. Difference is the Trip to McDonalds, if done responsibly, at least gives your body SOME nourishment. the other two don't, can have very serious affects on your body chemistry/organs, especially at a young age, offer absolutely no potential benefits at all, and thus, have age limits as a result.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Oh shit UR randomly brought up his lie about Trayvon Martin in a topic about the Simpsons, thisll definitely end well

Yea its funny that he is trying to compare the two situations to "get" me...its why i really don't respond to him seriously, anymore. I sort of regret having done it earlier on lol. The funny part is Trayvon didn't do anything to appear to be a threat except walk home. Meanwhile, Zimmerman was following him and hiding in bushes, appearing to be a threat...followed him to his dad's home where his little brother was and was hiding in bushes watching the house. So in this case, if you want to make the comparison, Trayvon is the dad of the family and Zimmerman was technically the Simpsons lmao. you don't get hide behind things and follow someone home then claim stand your ground when you kill that person for standing their ground against your perceived threat. if Homer pulled out a gun and killed the other dad first, should Homer be able to use stand your ground? Stand your ground against stand your ground? Seems kinda stupid, no? Its almost like context is a thing, but again, we all know his gimmick. He'll stretch logic as far as he can to argue....And i guess i kind of just responded to him again in a roundabout way...I'll stop now.

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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

By allowing them to get away could mean that they could cause harm or death to someone else later.

And guess what, it shouldn't be ok for citizens to kill people on assumptions like that. In this instance, the Simpsons weren't trying to hurt anyone. Sure the family didn't know that, but that is why things like that shouldn't be normalized in a normal society. What if someone was walking their dog, lost control of the leash and the dog ran under a bush in that guys yard. the owner of the dog goes, simply to get the dog out, guy comes out with gun and shoots him dead while he's running....by your logic, because the home owner THOUGHT he was a threat and might harm others its ok to shoot at someone running away? "but the dog guy could have just explained that to the home owner"....kinda of hard to reason with and have a conversation with someone who steps out with a shot gun and points it at you. fight or flight does kick in, and if they choose flight and run away, put the weapon down.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Man you 180ed on this fierce

How so? If they come back and are no longer fleeing, directly putting your life at risk, go ahead and defend yourself. Don't shoot at the fleeing person with your justification being "but they might come back!I had to get them before they did!"....Even for you, what i said isn't that difficult to comprehend. But I know your gimmick and you're just going to find some way to twist what i;m saying to further an argument so let me stop you there and save us both a lot of time...I;m not gonna respond to it so you don't have to.

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jumi posted...

That was before Stand Your Ground laws and they were running away and not in his house. He would be subject to prosecution. Likely manslaughter 1 or 2.

And even then, shooting at someone who is running away should not be considered "stand your ground"...once they choose to flee you are no longer standing your ground to defend your own life. them running away is not putting your life at risk. The "BUT WHAT IF THEY COME BACK" argument is always used here and i disagree with it...if they come back then you can defend yourself. just not when they're running away.

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Yes. its not always about the money. Sure its less money NOW but it sounds like the chances for advancement are better at the new job, so you'll be able to make that back and maybe more, whereas, you make it sound like you've pretty much already topped out at your current job. If you can handle your current bills with the pay cut, think of it as temporary and work hard to move up and earn more. Sometimes you have to make a small sacrifice for a better situation in the end.

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M_Live posted...

Literally nobody ever has gotten offended over somebody saying Merry Christmas.

I heard it several times yesterday while in line at Target. Some people responded with Merry Christmas, some responded with Happy Holidays. all were pleasant and not in a snobbish way. no one got upset. no one was mad. In all my years I've yet to see anyone get upset about it. Sure it happens, but I'm pretty sure the amount of people who get upset about it vs the amount of people who got mad at starbucks cups is a ratio of like 1/50

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So...one person said something about it and HR did what HR does and protected the company since they aren't there for the employee? And all they really said was "hey yo, this thing happened...we just have to tell you about it since it happened nah mean?"....OMG LETS CLICKBAIT THIS!

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again, most people start smoking at younger ages and get hooked into adulthood. they don't start at adulthood. For a few months some HS students already are 18, still going to school with minors. even after they graduate Some 18 and 19 year olds are still friends with the now 16 and 17 year olds they went to school with. They still have that HS mentality while being friends with those people...this is one (very easy) way kids get their hands on Cigarettes and get hooked. There is a reason Joe Camel was a thing. the Cig companies know this. Until it was made illegal their main focus was to try to get kids in ways like this and get them addicted to nicotine. Raising the age to 21 can significantly cut into that which is a good thing. You can argue (this is a freedom issue) all you want, but that's not the only factor that is to be considered when things like this are discussed. There is no "right to smoke cigarettes" just because you're an adult. "you can vote but you can't smoke a cig!?", yes....you can also vote but not get into certain clubs.

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NES4EVER posted...

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My wife had a full year of maternity leave, obviously at a reduced rate, but still 12 months off to care for my son when he was born.

If I had taken that time off, my employer would have topped it up and it would be like getting paid at full wages for a year. I realized after 3 weeks with a newborn that was a stupid idea and let my wife take the entire time off to herself.

I know here the mother gets 3 months paid, that can be extended an extra 3 months at a reduced rate of pay, and if they want to take more time they'd need to take a leave, which doesn't promise them their job status when they choose to return. I've worked and seen quite a few co-workers have babies...anyone who took more than 6 months never came back. mostly because anything longer doesn't "hold" their position.

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thrashmetal14 posted...

18: old enough to die for your government, too young to drink and smoke

Yea I'd be down for raising the enlistment age too. A lot of the 18 year olds they get are teens just out of high school, didn't do well in high school, don't put much thought into college or anything else and just say "well, might as well do this"...even 20 would be good. Gives them a good two years post high school to potentially gain some work experience, think it through and make a more educated decision as opposed to instantly saying "Yea i was an average C student all throughout HS i'm on my way to enlist" immediately after graduation. Of course that will never happen because its hard enough for them to get enrollments as it is...might as well take advantage of the vulnerable members of the graduating class every summer.

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De Evolution posted...

Less freedom is good

Yes, in this case it is good...I'm not even get into the pointlessness of smoking cigs, there are still many 18 year olds in HS as they turn 18 near the end of the school year, makes it easier to spread cigarettes throughout high school campuses and to underage kids. And that's just one potential positive. most people start smoking at a young age out of curiosity, get hooked, and keep going as adults...its not typically adults aged 21+ who are like "hmmmm...I think i wanna start smoking now".

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So, doubling down....great idea, Donny.

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no. when was the last 3D movie in Theaters that was actually big? Its more of a pain for the viewer than it was an immersive experience...(Unless its on a ride at a theme park or something)

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KillerSlaw posted...

And yet every time I see people lose their shit over it, it appears to be some inoccuous game people are playing or literally just signaling "okay"

You can't be that naive, man. "No see i was just playing a game!"...you think when questioned they're gonna go on the news and say "Yea im a racist" or "I was just doing it to pretend to be racist to trigger people"...of course not. Sure some are playing the game, but those who have adopted it to either signal real racism or as a "joke" to "trigger" people (as sad as that sounds for them), have kind of ruined that game, now. They're the ones who let 4Chan do what they did. they could have said "that shit's stupid, it a game" but instead they decided to go with "lol watch me trigger these people!"...Meanings of things change all the time and have for centuries. "Gay" used to just mean happy or joyous. Hell, its a lyric in the Flinstones theme....But you wouldn't go outside and say "Man, I'm having such a gay time right now!"....because the word has kind of shifted. Take responsibility for your actions. I don't think he was playing the circle game. if anything he was trying to "Trigger" people and this was his excuse and an easy one for the military to use to sweep it away and make people forget about it. Its interesting how the circle game started to make such a huge come back in media once people started doing things like this....no one was playing it for years then suddenly BAM, everyone is doing it all over, mostly people of a certain race....I guess they just got interested in the game again out of no where.

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KillerSlaw posted...

It's really sad how bad you guys fell for this 4chan shit

Things change. What started as "4Chan Shit" became adopted by actual racists. even if they're doing it as a "joke" their intention is still one with the racist aspect in mind....that doesn't make it any better.

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People need to understand that they're a new league, it will have growing pains. The talent they have, a lot of it, is developmental. They don't yet have the capital to be able to put out fully vetted superstars in the ring while also running a developmental league. its kinda being done all in one and there will be bumps along the way. Bumps like this that should be addressed and fixed. You gotta give them more than they've had before you say "they're gonna fail"...Let the company grow, let the Superstars develop, see who else they can bring in to help put developmental talent over and teach them. In a way, TNA was headed in that direction, but then they just sold out and decided to go full WCW and just use old WWF stars while stifling young development. AEW wants to develop talent first. If its still like this in a year, then you can start to worry.

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Dyinglegacy posted...

I play it with my little sister in law. I don't punch her, I just get her to look, then laugh when she does.

I've done this with people across a room or even a pic over text. Its just a simple "lol made you look" or "gatcha" silliness. Nothing more.

Well, yea but it started as a game where you'd punch them. I remember it starting and getting big when it was on Malcolm in the Middle years ago. Of course you're not going to punch a child in the arm so people have adapted it when they play it...the game is to trick people to look down, just like the thing where you point at their chest then flick their nose when they look down. the point is it was above his waste directly in the camera....not much of a trick there. Kinda hard to miss. So the guy who did it is either lying or just stupid...

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Verdekal posted...

Send her to Mexico.

Oh man, i hope her cell mates are Mexican and they're all in the court room while she's being arraigned.

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uwnim posted...

Yet somehow a significant part of the country buys their lies.

That's why they target those people and try to prevent them from getting educated. keep them easy to control. they you can lie all you want and just say "No see what i meant was this. that's fake news, also ummm...LIBERALS BAD!" and that's all it takes.

Republican: I hate you all and would kill you if there were no consequences, i mean that
Republican voter: w...what?
Republican: No see, what i meant was due to liberal policies i would be forced to hate and kill you
Republican voter: OOOHH! YEA FUCK THE LIBERALS! USA! USA!

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Do they know what the circle game is? You make a circle below your waist, if someone looks at it you punch them in the arm....It wasn't below his waist and how the fuck is he gonna punch me in the arm through the TV? The entire point is to trick someone to look down, not put it in their direct eye line, in this case, the camera....

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They'll just say she's mentally ill and she'll be back driving and attempting murder with her car in a year or two.

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shockthemonkey posted...

lmfao

he tried....extremely poorly, and it made things worse, but he tried. its amazing how they straight up say one thing then turn around and say "no i meant literally the opposite of what i said in plain english"....the GOP is a joke when it comes to that lol. They're a joke in general, but even more so when trying to lie to cover up their BS.

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NO WAY! This is Breaking brand new news!

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Many do, yes. The President and VP are really the only ones that have to fly on special crafts for protection sake. I'd assume some have private dealings and many fly business or first class,which would likely come out of their own pocket, but a lot just fly commercial like everyone else.

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Theyre usually just used as prizes at parties or stuffers.

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about $30 here in California. Gets me roughly 300 miles.

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Yea the guy is kinda dumb. Unfortunately hes just smart enough to keep the country from doing anything and for some reason people keep giving him that power.

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Either one of us will. Shes an adult and does it by herself all the time. If I offered to Id have no problem doing it either.

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Used to be. Doesnt bother me anymore. The odds of a crash are low and turbulence really isnt that bad at all. Its honestly kinda relaxing to me now as long as the people next to me arent unpleasant.

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https://youtu.be/351UtptTF0k

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i think if Edge really wanted to come back for a bit he'd make a great commentator. I don't know if that's something he'd want to do but it would at least allow him to get back in the atmosphere without the potential of killing himself.

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Not total darkness. My bathroom is split into two rooms. one with the sink and cabinets, the other with the toilet and shower. its a small enough room to where the light from the sink room is enough to light the shower room so i never turn on the light in the shower room....so its like semi darkness i guess.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

They also said Daniel Bryan would never wrestle again.

Medical improvements probably leads to better recovery and things being not so dire.

Its not worth it. If he came back it'd be for a quick match here and there where he takes absolutely no bumps and any fall would need to be intensely choreographed. Medical advancements or not one wrong move could fuck his neck and spine up.

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My Main account still has access to it. I never went there but signed up because....why not? still don't go there.

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Doom_Art posted...

It's weird though the thing feels not squishy but "fleshy". Like it's definitely solid but it feels like a bunch of goo balled up together. Plus is moves around pretty easily.

I got one of those (or something that sounds really similar) on my neck. its like this really small little bump that feels kinda hard under the skin when i rub it, but it also feels like if i could take it out and squeeze it it would give like a tide pod. I randomly showed up when i was a kid, maybe 7 or 8 and my mom got scared and took me to the Dr. It was nothing, they didn't even recommend anything to remove it. Now 20+ years later its still kinda there, much smaller than it was back then but i can still feel it. Its weird...i kinda wanna know what it is now lol.

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Good luck man. Whatever it is, as hard as it may be, don't stress and let it ruin your Holiday. Try your best to put it out your mind and enjoy time with friends and family. If its anything at all it sounds small, caught early...they probably just want to check it out to have all bases covered. its best to check it now than to let it linger, even if its nothing.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Okay, but what are those(feasible) alternatives that society is choosing not to utilize exacly?

Many are refusing to even acknowledge it, calling climate change a hoax and turning it into political theater...the first fight is to get people to wake up and finally acknowledge that something needs to be done. that's what Gretta and many others are currently doing. once that happens we can start working on ways to fix the issue. Regulations on car manufacturing, advancements in electric and a few other things are starting to grow but there is more that can be done, but won't be done as long as those who are paid off keep calling it a hoax and refuse to even entertain the idea of it.

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"New Organization still trying to establish itself isn't has good as an indy show ran by a billion dollar corporation one month in"....Well yea, its gonna take time for this to take off. As long as they don't make mistakes like TNA did and stay on the right track they'll be fine, but as far as competition goes you can't come to a conclusion this early into it.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Or you just don't have a counter. But whatever makes you feel good buddy

i offered up a counter ITT. but my post still stands. this type of logic and stupid low iq logic and not worth engaging.

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DifferentialEquation posted...

Political affiliation is protected. Would you be accepting of a similarly harsh sentence for someone who stole Trump2020 sign from someone's yard and burned it?

You and many in this topic are intertwining two different issues. If you think 15 years is too much, fine, but again, as i've said that is an issue of our court system across the country....all i'm saying is his first amendment rights were not violated and he wasn't given 15 years simply for "burning a flag".

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Abiz_ posted...

It wasn't a first amendment issue though? So you are saying hate speech got him 15 years? You aren't being very consistent. If that was the case. Appealing to a higher court would get that thrown out on constitutional grounds. Hate speech isn't the same thing as hate crime.

Yes, its not a first amendment issue AFTER HIS ACTIONS...as i said, if he just said "I don't like gay people" or something like that he would be fine. His first amendment rights were not violated here. people say that stuff all the time. they post it on twitter all the time. are they in jail? Nope. Its the fact that he acted on them towards a specific group, in this case, that club, and his actions of arson are a direct result of hate speech against a protected group....why is this so difficult for you to comprehend. Again, if your issue is the length of time he got, i agree with you, as i said several times, its a direct result if the inconsistency of our courts. if this happened in a different state with a different judge he might have just gotten probation, who knows. That's just the way our courts work. But his first amendment rights were not violated here. That's not what they sentenced him for.

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Irony posted...

Except it was. Replace that flag with an American flag and the sentence would be significantly reduced.

Well no i just mean that the whole "OH SO YOU CAN BURN AN AMERICAN FLAG BUT NOT THIS ONE THATS BULL SHIT" argument...It wasn't just "burning a flag" that got him in trouble. Aside from the stolen property and arson its a hate speech issue, which he acted on, and that hate speech wasn't general. he didn't just buy a flag at Target and go to the middle of town and burn it. he targeted a specific club and be extension, those who attend that club or visit that building. Again, if you think 15 years is too much for that, that's a whole different discussion about how our court system works around the country. but he didn't get 15 years "just for burning a flag".

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Kensaimage posted...

You can burn the American Flag in this country under the protection that very flag provides for you the right to do so, yet...THIS is worth 15 years?

The guy is an asshole, but thats still excessive

Why do people keep ignoring that it wasn't the flag that got him the time. You're ignoring so much context.

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linid0t posted...

Hes not wrong though

Yes he is. I agree we need to do more for the environment and support green initiatives. Unfortunately, i also have to live a life and that sometimes includes driving a car which at the current moment can make things worse. I understand that and will continue to push for cleaner options, but until those cleaner options present themselves I'm not a hypocrite for participating in society the way it currently is. This is what we've been handed, so this is how we currently have to do things. doesn't mean we also can't work to make those things within society better.

Its like saying to someone who is protesting for lower tuition costs "Hmmm, you think college costs too much yet you still went to college...CURIOUS!"....Yea of course they did. they had to to be able to make it in the society we currently have set so they could get a better degree and hopefully a better job (which isn't even a promise but that's another discussion for another time). Them being willing to do it then doesn't mean they suddenly now can't fight to make things better at the same time. Its just a stupid low IQ argument.

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Abiz_ posted...

Cancer only spreads if you ignore it. I will blame him,but I will also blame people like you from trying to control speech.

Its not controlling speech. its preventing the spread of hate speech, which leads to stuff like this. Sure, he just took a flag and burnt it, but if he was more reckless with the fire and caused more damage, we've seen people do more harm due to hate speech like this, and not just against the LGBTQ...There are consequences for your actions. If he just said "I hate gay people" he wouldn't have gotten arrested, but he took it several steps further. who is to say he wouldn't take it further than this later on? He was yelling at the news reporter like a psycho and showed zero remorse. he still has that hate in him which he already acted on and has done nothing to show he won't act on it again...this is all his fault, no one is trying to "censor him". this isn't a first amendment issue.

and yes, i don't know if 15 years fits the "crime" but that's more an issue of our judiciary system. depending on what state you're in, what district you're in, what court house you're in and what judge you get, the same crimes can get different sentences. Its always been like that. That's an issue with our court system. But what he got is a direct result of him acting on his speech, and directing it at people, in this case that club and people in it....,not the speech itself.

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Abiz_ posted...

I'm confused. He stole it and burnt it some where else. So it's not like he was trying to burn down the church. How is that 15 years? 1 year and 2 years probation seems more fitting for a heavy punishment for this. Yeah, I never want our first amendment fuck with if something like this can get 15 years.

"He was found guilty of a hate crime that is a class D felony, 3rd degree harassment and reckless use of fire"

Its not hard to just leave people alone and not attack protected groups. Fuck outta here with this "MUH FIRST AMENDMENT" nonsense. You can't yell FIRE in a crowded room, you can't use hate speech...and those hate speech laws are the result of people like him doing things like this, so blame him and others like him, not the law.

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I like when people use this type of logic, because you know right away that they aren't smart enough to debate and you can just move on with your night.

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he got 15 year for a hate crime against a protected group, not simply for burning a flag. he also stole the flag and was cited for reckless use of fire. its not like he went to the store, bought one and just burnt it. he stole one that was hanging somewhere already and burnt it in a hate crime against a group of people whom are protected....So no he didn't get 15 years for "burning a flag". he got 15 years for a lot more.

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