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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 2 [smfffc]
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07/22/19 8:21:49 PM
#175
v_charon posted...
It's really depressing all these X-2 chars keep getting in when the one that'd have the best contest story (Shuyin) never gets any interest. I'm floored Leblanc is back in this tbh.


I'm floored Braska is in this, myself. Seems like he would only be nominated entirely for a gimmick run

Which was subtly what Leblanc Syndicate run was jabbing at as I see no reason to nominate Ormi and Logos for any other reason either

But you probably already knew that!
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 2 [smfffc]
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07/22/19 8:05:16 PM
#169
Who's up for nominating Ormi and Logos next year for a Leblanc Syndicate push.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 8:02:12 PM
#311
Poor Godzilla he didn't deserve this

I apologise for following through all this unrelated tangential discussion
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Day 27
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07/22/19 8:00:59 PM
#8
Dante (Devil May Cry)
Loki (Marvel Comics)
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TopicWhat is the most mind-numbing thing you've done in a video game?
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07/22/19 6:39:21 PM
#28
Grinding events in Fate Grand Order for sure

Limiting it to non-mobile games I'm not actually sure. I'm not much of someone who does mind numbing tasks. I don't like achievements and I don't care for dumb challenge runs in RPGs.

I grinded a lot of levels to try and beat Balio and Sunder in Breath of Fire 3 but nothing too crazy. Gades 1 in Lufia 2 similarly, but he actually was beatable at mid-high 30s so it's not that bad especially with the Red Cores.

I guess grinding levels in Disgaea to unlock Angel and Majin? *shrug Even then I'm small time. Why am I even posting here.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 5:59:42 PM
#304
I'm just saying facts.

1. I tried what you said to do at end-2 and end-3, didn't work to change what I felt the obvious lynches were going to be
2. Game played out exactly like I thought it was going to as called in end-3.

Like there are probably ways to play it better on my end, but it's more complicated than you're giving it credit for is all. One player, particularly one who made a big mistake earlier game to damage town credibility, can only influence so much in the end
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 5:27:23 PM
#295
If I tried that the final 2 days you probably wouldn't remember anything I said there either tbh
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 5:25:03 PM
#293
I'm just saying I did kinda do what you suggested on the days we lynched Lea and Cam and I won neither lynch so I mean I'm not sure trying it again is smart
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 5:10:36 PM
#287
turbopuns3 posted...
(and specifically, ways to avoid negatively influencing town's perspective)


I just think it's harder to do that than you think while still convincing people, particularly when there's a triangle of trust where one is likely the scum in that triangle. Like it's not really as simple as not trying to destroy someone with a flaming sword because that approach had already been tried to no avail earlier. That town would not be convinced to avoid the safe lynches

I think doubting Ben was the major misplay and everything beyond that was just trying to damage control the credibility I had lost
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 5:05:10 PM
#284
Also yeah Tom being "your pocket" was imo your main scumslip as time went on. Making excuses for inactivity is what most of what red got caught on too. Like I don't think those are good scumplay models to go for.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 5:01:56 PM
#283
turbopuns3 posted...
Maybe the issue is you feeling like you needed to play the hero.


I think it was justified. The path of the game was obvious and the fact that no one was going to rock the boat was obvious. I tried disrupting the path in more traditional ways at 3 and 4 days from the end and it didn't work.

I called every lynch from Lea till endgame at Lea with the possible exception of getting Cam/Lea in the wrong order (p sure I just grouped them). And I did that in topic as well so you can't say I am just making this up.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 2 [smfffc]
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07/22/19 4:54:52 PM
#114
Setzer
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 2 [smfffc]
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07/22/19 4:53:52 PM
#113
Mustadio
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 4:52:48 PM
#278
turbopuns3 posted...
was not to just choose one of the three and spearhead them with blinders on, and after it failed spearhead another with blinders on. Eh?


I don't agree I had blinders on. You guys had reactions that made it very hard to just abandon the attack. The fact that I stayed on neither guess till the end showed I was able to reevaluate and not be blind about it. The big problem is you guys were using language that called me "scum" (in your case) and "obvious scum the whole game" (in SBell's case) neither of which were believable given the play you guys had exhibited until that point. I would say this is probably just bad habits coming to roost. "Wrong" and "scum" should not be used interchangeably, and it gave both of you the look of thrashing scum more than town I had guessed wrong on, to me.

Ultimately I don't think those plays were mistakes, just the guesses were. You can say the execution was dodgy but I'm not sure other ways work better-- you can say they would but it's just as easy to imagine a world where I go a bit less hard and it's like "oh Lopen is just trying to spread suspicion on everyone. LYNCH" All I know is a play had to be made and I made it. *shrug
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 4:41:18 PM
#277
I will say that I did get something out of the discussion even if I disagree with the narrative:

If you think the day is gonna be wasted cause you feel a player is scum and pulling something but no one else is buying it and it'll resolve itself anyway, just moving on and doing some analysis as though they're telling the truth is probably best. Arguing about it ain't gonna cause a slip cause the reaction of "you're crazy" is gonna be the same across town or scum pretending to be town. No useful data to be gathered by arguing it even if you're right-- it's just trying to prove you're right at that point.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 2 [smfffc]
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07/22/19 3:36:13 PM
#25
X-Death
Leblanc
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 3:35:27 PM
#274
I'm not sure I'm "heated" I just think the game is being fundamentally misrepresented. I'd do the same thing if someone said puns lost town the game too cause I mean there was a lot more at work there.

Really the fundamental issue was that Puns + Ulti + SBell caused an inevitability in the final 3-4 in that it was going to be SBell or the 4th person being lynched without some risky, and more importantly correct, play from the 4th person. And it would be difficult for anyone to determine who the right scum of those three was because the overly safe way town was playing was not a way that was able to generate pressure on Ulti or Puns to slip easily.
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TopicBest of the Trope Season 2: Day 214 - Fat and Skinny
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07/22/19 3:09:44 PM
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Bulk and Skull (Mighty Morphin Power Rangers)
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 1:05:51 PM
#248
Yeah making the town kingmaker use their ability is definitely more productive than getting a scum lynched

Why do I even play this game.
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TopicHow many F-Zero games have you finished?
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07/22/19 1:01:03 PM
#8
Anyway NONE

I have played the SNES game but haven't finished any.
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TopicHow many F-Zero games have you finished?
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07/22/19 1:00:36 PM
#7
MegamanX posted...
Fire Emblem 7 GBA (this was the first localized) 3271.1%


What a playrate.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 12:58:03 PM
#244
If I drop will you rejoin Inception.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 12:48:55 PM
#240
I never said that. I only actually said I was the most useful based on the first two days which most of town can't actually claim they did anything useful those days, and that my talking from 3 on didn't actually "damage town" because there was nothing to damage.

Like there was no constructive thought I was distracting from. You fill my part with a void and the lynch path is pretty much exactly the same, I guarantee it, because the cases on p much everyone but sheep (which I wasn't even the main one building that case after day 1) were really weak and just phoned in. They were all very safe lynches, not really based on in game actions but where the scans weren't, where the meta wasn't, etc etc.

The best case you could make is that if I had not damaged my credibility by doubting Ben that I could have been more convincing and drove the town to actual good lynches, which hey, I'll accept, but that's still saying "you didn't play well enough to save town" more than "you caused town to lose" like some people are trying to spin it as.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 12:41:07 PM
#238
You weren't obv town though, at least no more than Ulti was. If we go with the 'safe' lynches we lose. That much was known. You said it yourself you gave Ulti no attention whatsoever the final day-- with 36 more hours to think are you just trying to weigh whether it's SBell, me, or sheep, or are you actually considering Ulti? If it's just 36 more hours to determine which 2 of the three of us to lynch, we've already lost.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 12:30:37 PM
#229
Like I mean, as an example, you say my vote on you second to last day was "distracting"

Okay, that's fine. But why did I make that vote? Because I saw that the obvious lynch path was Sheep -> Me.

Who did you argue to lynch when you calmed down? Sheep. So what did I 'distract' from? If I pick Ulti instead of you I'm a hero. I picked wrong, so it's a "bad play" but no play is arguably even worse because you see the writing on the wall and do nothing.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 12:23:19 PM
#226
I agree that voting SBell was a mistake all things considered, but it was what let me figure out it was Ulti 100% (I wasn't voting SBell just for data, I really wasn't sure if it was him or Ulti at that point but I put an early vote to test reactions-- Ulti voting me early makes a lot more sense if he's town because he has no reason to suspect SBell and he has no reason to think you're scum) and I'm sorry that SBell was so far not into that game that he was locked into countervoting. I agree that voting you was a mistake all things considered because you were town-- but I had to make that play against someone that day because I was 100% right that the game was being roadmapped.

Like I hadn't figured out the game at that point and it was because town as a whole had no clue and was just going on the easy lynches for the sake of playing percentages that made it particularly difficult to figure the game out. If you or SBell were scum, which was viable to think at the time, those plays become good. Like it's easy to say I was distracting but if you remove my distraction I'm very skeptical the lynches don't end up exactly the same because I won no lynches, and there was basically no talk about stuff I was talking about anyway-- like if people actually say "hey the Tom theory is bad here's why" a lot sooner and look into it and reveal SBell is town confirmed (I blame not knowing the rules for not picking this up) a lot sooner then we move on, but I was generally ignored and people just mindlessly voted people who had no scans because they had no scans.

There's just really no reason to give a benefit of a doubt to town there. It's just cool to make me out to be the bad guy because I was the only one who was trying to do anything but coast, but that's misrepresenting what the game was.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 1 [smfffc]
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07/22/19 11:44:09 AM
#220
Steiner beats Lulu if Steiner isn't still getting anti-votes

I think SMFFFC has a fairly long memory though so yeah I could see Lulu beating him. Those 2 + last year's final + Marche are probably the only notable bottom feeders though. And honestly Fang and Cid are probably that far below the other 3. Well not Marche as charon said Marche is an oddity. Marche probably loses to anyone now.
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TopicBest Hassan
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07/22/19 11:37:23 AM
#21
Dad > Muhammad > Dragon Quest 9 to 7 to 6

Dad exploiting "actually having a poll option" to take a slight lead.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)
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07/22/19 9:48:40 AM
#218
Meh Pez

I think "choking bandwidth" can only be so damaging to town when town's bandwidth is nowhere close to the right track. Had Ulti recieved any suspicions whatsoever you'd have a point. Like you wanna say I was a net negative sure, but saying I was the most destructive just seems a bit hyperbolic.

Like town was just sorta doing their own thing. There was no real bandwidth that had value. Everyone had their own theories and no one really went with others. So the "easy" lynches generally rose to the top. I think I was inconsequential to driving the thought process of town but I think most anyone would have been.
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TopicAvengers Endgame has beaten Avatar to become the highest grossing film ever
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07/22/19 9:24:30 AM
#77
LMS doesn't have opinions they're just recycled opinions from other sources
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TopicChris Poker Adventure topic (I am in a tournament online where first gets 1Mill)
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07/21/19 9:56:07 PM
#96
Well that collapse was quick. Think ya started getting impatient/tilted or just a real bad string of luck?
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TopicBest Hassan
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07/21/19 9:54:39 PM
#9
Muhammad > Dragon Quest = Dad, 4 to 3 to 3

Fierce match here
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Day 26
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07/21/19 9:50:31 PM
#41
T-1000
Morrigan
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TopicBest Hassan
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07/21/19 9:47:44 PM
#5
scarletspeed7 posted...
ExThaNemesis posted...
Muhammad Hassan!

AAALAYLEEEAAAAA LAYLEEAAAAAA

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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Day 26
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07/21/19 8:15:16 PM
#14
Dante
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 1 [smfffc]
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07/21/19 8:13:59 PM
#208
Like out of 30 finalists or so (not sure how many repeats there are) Cid P may be 30th strongest and Fang may be 29.

Lulu and Marche are the only two that come to mind that would be any competition to them
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 1 [smfffc]
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07/21/19 8:11:16 PM
#207
Yeah Yuffie and Zell have followings here. Zell less so with the departure of FFD, but either one of them crush Fang or Cid P in a final.
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TopicAvengers Endgame has beaten Avatar to become the highest grossing film ever
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07/21/19 8:08:51 PM
#68
Robazoid posted...
By original I meant that the Marvel movies are all adaptations of comic book stories, which to me precludes originality since it's the same story in a different format. I realize now that other people might judge originality by how original the comic story was so I should've worded that better.

I'm not an authority on the comic book stories either, to be fair. I'm just a sad Avatar fan who wanted to make a post


I'm not intimately familiar with Infinity War but as I understand it the MCU takes a lot of liberties with the source material. In most of the movies, really.
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TopicAvengers Endgame has beaten Avatar to become the highest grossing film ever
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07/21/19 8:07:09 PM
#66
I just think a movie starting with the chips that far down and the path to the solution to the problem being ambiguous for that long is pretty original. Time travel in and of itself isn't a unique idea, you're right, but the way they did it was interesting and heavily drew on existing franchise lore to enhance it-- again you may chalk this up to originality of the MCU as a concept but I think Endgame is the big one that fully realizes the potential there.

Like Endgame ain't anywhere near my favorite MCU movie but I think as far as the pathing of the plot and overall viewing experience goes it's fairly unique.

Infinity War any originality comes from the ending, but that's worth a lot-- otherwise it's structured as pretty standard fare of buncha heroes team up to fight a big bad. It's true Endgame eventually gets there too but the path to get there in Endgame is way different than Infinity War's.

Civil War is the most original of the lot though imo, all things considered.

And yeah I guess GotG would be up there too thinking about it
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 1 [smfffc]
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07/21/19 7:47:08 PM
#203
I like challenges because most characters I like are jobberiffic

Figures Fang is one of the few I don't much care for though
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 1 [smfffc]
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07/21/19 7:44:40 PM
#201
I mean, yes

But that may have been the most jobby final ever
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 1 [smfffc]
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07/21/19 7:41:18 PM
#198
Who did Fang even beat? Cid P? What a disaster last year was
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TopicAvengers Endgame has beaten Avatar to become the highest grossing film ever
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07/21/19 7:29:09 PM
#62
Mr Lasastryke posted...
misrepresenting what i said and then immediately accusing me of being elitist based on this misrepresentation isn't cool. i expect better from you!


I'm not talking about you specifically I just meant people who say this in general make me think they've got that hat on cause I wouldn't really say it's something to criticize Endgame for. Robazoid said it first after all.
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TopicAvengers Endgame has beaten Avatar to become the highest grossing film ever
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07/21/19 7:27:27 PM
#61
I'd say by Avatar standards, which is the context of the originality comment, it's pretty original too. Avatar is a pretty version of a story that has been told many times.

Like I wouldn't call a strength of Endgame "originality" or anything but I can't really think of any movies like it, either, so I'm not sure "not particularly original" is a fair assessment. It's a unique viewing experience even if it's not super deep or anything.
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TopicAvengers Endgame has beaten Avatar to become the highest grossing film ever
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07/21/19 7:20:51 PM
#58
That being said I don't particularly care about originality either

Just wondering what your standards for it are if Endgame isn't. Feels more like action movies can't be original elitism than anything.
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TopicAvengers Endgame has beaten Avatar to become the highest grossing film ever
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07/21/19 7:17:28 PM
#57
Not really sure how Endgame isn't original. Just the build to it is rather unprecedented, as is the way the conflict is presented. I guess you could call it similar to the likes of RotJ but I would call that a stretch. Most MCU movies I wouldn't call particularly original but there are a few there. Civil War and Infinity War/Endgame do get some points there.

I guess you'd call that originality on the MCU's part but eh. Endgame more than any other movie in the MCU really uses that world building in a way not many movies do.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 1 [smfffc]
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07/21/19 7:05:27 PM
#191
I almost missed the rush due to engaging you
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 1 [smfffc]
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07/21/19 6:59:53 PM
#181
Setzer
Serah
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 1 [smfffc]
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07/21/19 6:59:28 PM
#174
I don't think so.
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