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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
Lopen
07/25/19 1:04:42 AM
#205
Which source are you cited from

Hell Ulti's Japanese Government claim too while we're at it
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
Lopen
07/25/19 12:46:10 AM
#202
Ulti just play a mayor like a mayor.

If you think we are lynching town at the time of the lynch then just use your ability. If you think we are lynching scum then don't.

But don't let your "town read" of a player be immutable in the face of evidence either. That's how games are lost. *cough*
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Day 29
Lopen
07/25/19 12:29:29 AM
#72
Venom
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TopicJRPGs: Do you typically prefer a silent or developed protagonist?
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07/25/19 12:17:36 AM
#22
redrocket posted...
Youre more like a crazy voice inside their head that they are desperately trying to pretend doesnt exist.


I'd say this is more applicable to the non silent protags that let you pick options. For the silent where the options are well written and consistent I think it's fine. Granted this applies more to non jRPGs actually.

(True story I'm pretty sure this is why I hate the plot of FFVIII so much. Squall rejecting Rinoa at every turn whenever I can choose then Disc 3 is just no good.)
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TopicJRPGs: Do you typically prefer a silent or developed protagonist?
Lopen
07/25/19 12:04:16 AM
#16
Well silent doesn't mean no character

Worlds of difference between Crono and Yu Narukami

In fact I'd say like, a silent character with enough dialogue options that I feel can make a consistent character will be better on average, though can't reach the same peaks

But I think your average silent is phoned in so voted the other option
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 11:55:02 PM
#199
Hbthebattle posted...
It gets him a lot of credibility, and guarantees him a few days. And trades almost always favor the scum. Another of Ulti's favorite tricks is the sacrifice play- this would be that stretched over a few days. In this case, scum!Ulti's teammates might be those who push against him the hardest.

It's pretty outlandish, but that's why I believe Ulti is telling the truth and is town. But him doing this as scum is not completely unreasonable.


I don't like it. Not a lot of upside there as scum on town. It's all risk for maybe making scummates look good when they bus Ulti.

I think why you leaned hypothetical lying Ulti being scum is cause you're scum

I definitely see a lot more upside in a hypothetical if you're both scum. Not saying he IS your scumbuddy. Just that you may have inadvertently envisioned the hypothetical as "what if liar is lynching YOU" rather than "what if liar is lynching TOWN" and gave the answer that makes more sense for your alignment rather than town alignment

Of course, maybe you just disagree and actually think it's a viable scum play (absurd!). I certainly wouldn't lynch you based on this alone, but MAKES U THINK.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
Lopen
07/24/19 11:37:14 PM
#193
Corrik7 posted...
Lopen posted...
He hasn't stopped claiming mayor though when he backed off.

He asked yinz not to early hammer. He isn't mayor.

Who cares.


His mayor claim being true or not isn't the point it's the process.

I just don't think thinking scum fakeclaiming mayor to play chicken with a town lynch makes more sense than town doing it at all. Hb does and I wanted him to really think about it.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 11:29:38 PM
#189
He hasn't stopped claiming mayor though when he backed off.

Seems like scum fakeclaiming mayor day 1 is suicidal, no? You're getting lynched eventually, right? You think he can go the whole game without using his ability and not being lynched?

And if his bluff is called he dies day 2, right?

Scum fakeclaiming mayor on a town lynch doesn't make much sense to me.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 11:20:26 PM
#183
Hbthebattle posted...
Hm... If he's lying, I'd say he's more likely scum.


Did you actually have to think about this just now though? I thought you had already assumed if lying he was scum.

Let's ignore a Thanosian gambit for a moment. What do you think he gains by doing it as scum if you're town? Is he just trying to pocket you? Is it worth the risk of having his bluff called and killed?
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 11:10:58 PM
#177
Hbthebattle posted...
Unless Ulti was lying, I'm safe either way, and Ulti lying would be immediately followed by him being lynched Day 2.


If he's lying do you think he's more likely town or scum? And why?
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
Lopen
07/24/19 11:10:11 PM
#176
Panthera posted...
Lopen's attacks on Firebolt have seemed like real scum hunting even if I disagree (though I'm a bit less sold on this one, since Firebolts contradictions were obvious enough to not be super hard to find a way to attack).


I disagree considering the majority of the town outright ignored them!!!

Though if you think it being an "obvious" attack is something scum might do Popcorn Fairy and Blade also noted the absurdity of him saying he thought you were agreeing without actually going in on a vote or grilling much

Food for thought!
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 10:55:13 PM
#172
Did you call a scumboard meeting between the two quotings perhaps?
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
Lopen
07/24/19 10:41:59 PM
#167
As you can tell my autocorrect does not like the word sheeping
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 10:40:27 PM
#165
fire_bolt posted...
If it makes people feel better, replace "Chris" with "Blade" or "Corrik" in my theory


I have been sleeping Chris as long as Lea has!

I mean, I'm not actually sleeping Chris since Ive been moving around and think Hb is actually the best lynch target now but I mean, to the extent I ever was.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 10:38:23 PM
#163
Hbthebattle posted...
Theres a world of difference between Ben is lying and Death Miller


What the god damn is a death miller why is everyone saying that?
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 10:37:54 PM
#162
DoomTheGyarados posted...
I almost am certain fire bolt is misguided town btw.


I think scum faking it would be better at seeming coherent entirely by accident so I'm inclined to agree.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 10:35:06 PM
#155
masterplum posted...
I cant figure out Hb


Thrashing scum p obviously

See how he didn't actually vote me till he got the okay. I presume he thinks I am the easiest target because of all the (wrong) flak I got last game

The irony in him citing last game so much is that he was the only member of that town voting with me. That's part of the reason this attack on me seems so insincere. A realistic Hb thinks I'm a misunderstood genius.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
Lopen
07/24/19 10:30:33 PM
#152
fire_bolt posted...
No, what bothers me with Lopen right now is that if Chris is scum then Lopen is DEFINITELY his scum buddy. Lea's sheeping Chris is obviously jest. Lopen joined that wagon later on and it kinda feels like something was discussed on the scum board as all the scum players finally got online.


All scum board members got online and discussed between post 47 of topic 1 and post 49 of topic 1

And I'm low grade
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 10:25:55 PM
#148
UltimaterializerX posted...
Nah. If the town wants me to mayor, I will. If not, I won't.


What the hell is this. Japanese democracy? Nobunaga always told me Serfdom was best in Civ IV and that I should adopt it

Own your absolute power
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 10:05:40 PM
#139
That must mean I'm town Lea since Chris said only one of us could be scum at once

Sorry it had to be this way
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 4 [smfffc]
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07/24/19 10:04:02 PM
#175
Chocobo cum
Chocobo share
Chocobo std

Come on man
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 9:53:55 PM
#134
Evidence you have been using random.org the whole time, no doubt. So much for perfect random number generation
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 9:48:45 PM
#132
3 bulletproof scum
4 bulletproof town (I AM BREADCRUMBING TOWN BULLETPROOF)
8 bulletproof serial killers

And they said 15 with a sk could not be done. This setup will prove the doubters wrong
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 9:44:06 PM
#130
Random.org who on player list is scum

14
10
10 (rerolling)
12

Red13n, Panthera, and Sultan are scum

Random.org who on player list is town

2
10 (rerolling)
2 (rerolling)
4
6
4 (rerolling)
3

Corrik, firebolt, Hb, lea are town

Man random.org sucks.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
Lopen
07/24/19 9:37:40 PM
#125
Your mafia play
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 9:33:20 PM
#122
If you reseed random.org and say I'm town this time I'll let you do it
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
Lopen
07/24/19 9:31:25 PM
#119
Lopen posted...
maybe Ulti thought red calling him out as hinting confirmable (I'm not sure I even agreed with red) gave Ulti more confidence that bluffing would work here


Sorry one more thing to add

I don't think Ulti had this plan the whole game, which would explain the incongruity between "claim you're at 3" and "I will save you no matter what never fear"
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 9:29:43 PM
#118
Also maybe Ulti thought red calling him out as hinting confirmable (I'm not sure I even agreed with red) gave Ulti more confidence that bluffing would work here. This random other player thought he telegraphed it! Haha! It must be true!

But I WILL STOP TANGENTING AS YOU WERE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 9:21:48 PM
#115
DoomTheGyarados posted...
I don't think it is in scum Ulti's best interest the next game after surviving a very long time to make ballsy plays day 1 when everyone remembers his scum game.


Or maybe that's exactly why he'd do it

Ulti constant innovator knows he needs to play like a goof to throw off the scent of town after this and Thanos

Though yes I'm leaning dumb vanilla. Confident enough Hb actually flips scum that it's no harm done
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Day 29
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07/24/19 9:18:56 PM
#34
T1000
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
Lopen
07/24/19 9:16:45 PM
#113
I'd actually argue this is probably a worse play than the mayor play of yore where he held tried to bully town into a lynch. At least that tries to accomplish something. This is, what, trying to get the benefits of being a mayor without "wasting" your power? It's absurd to consider anyone would play mayor like that without a fundamental misunderstanding of how gathering information in the game works. If our Liege Chris was not bolstered by Lea's conviction in the cause of exposing the false lord Ulti, this would just be killing discussion.

To me this line makes no sense as a Mayor particularly considering Ulti told Hb to claim at 3 votes first.

It's just cost benefits of dumb vanilla fakeclaim vs scum fakeclaim for me. Ulti being Mayor would be the most surprising result at the moment.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
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07/24/19 9:03:50 PM
#60
Eddv posted...
He's a 10 year old wearing his dad's suit


Lmao

It's true. He even has the voice for it.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 8:53:07 PM
#103
I can hardly wait until you reveal the last scum random.org gave you
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 4 [smfffc]
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07/24/19 8:51:04 PM
#165
Nick and my Dark Nation bro greengravy294 got X-Death
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 4 [smfffc]
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07/24/19 8:48:36 PM
#163
Got em'
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 8:43:07 PM
#97
fire_bolt posted...
It is almost like scum could say one thing when they actually believe something else, such as Panthera agreeing with me to bus someone


YOU REPEATEDLY SAID HE DID NOT AGREE WITH YOU IN THE ARGUMENT.

I mean gosh, you can be a blind idiot seeing red and going into a haze but at least go reread it and realize your "memory" of the argument was not what actually occurred in the argument
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 8:40:12 PM
#94
Hbthebattle posted...
Have you never heard of lynch all liars?


I've heard of it. It's bad. Chris would have killed Ben last game for his vanilla claim if he was following that. Scum vs town gain by lying is more important-- why lie more than if lie

Now honestly the word worry is maybe more suspicious than the (supposed) suspicion. It's colorful in a way that doesn't make sense in the context.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
Lopen
07/24/19 8:35:39 PM
#89
Leanansidhe posted...
This might be a good time to practice bad post vs scum post, comrade Lopen


I AM TRYING.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 8:34:11 PM
#86
Hbthebattle posted...
That wasn't anger, it was worry that you blatantly lied


Why? Why is that worrisome?
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 8:32:30 PM
#83
Hbthebattle posted...
From my eyes, it makes perfect sense on how Bolt could think that,


That he could think Panthera was agreeing with him while repeatedly yelling that Panthera didn't agree with him during the argument?

Perfect sense
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 8:30:44 PM
#81
I have arguments against you:

You faked anger when I claimed I wouldn't post and then did
You claimed you found me posting WORRYING~
You're trying to bully me into losing conviction by creating false equivalencies in my arguments last game to statements from this game
You were too confident Ulti was mayor and you were safe, until Lea pointed that out. Now you're phoning in not wanting to be lynched
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 4 [smfffc]
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07/24/19 8:25:34 PM
#161
It would have been more fun 7 minutes ago

I know what kwehd means
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 8:23:53 PM
#77
Like seriously in what universe do you interpret my push on him thinking he had an "out there theory"

I didn't even argue lynching him because of the stupid argument he had where he misread what Panthera said. That's stupid. You can misread something.

I argued lynching him because after the fact he said he thought Panthera was agreeing with him when he spent an argument arguing just the opposite. That feels like a guy who wasn't even thinking in the argument and just pushing a perceived vulnerability and then damage controlling it in every way possible when it didn't work.

Like it's not that he said that and it was a bad theory-- it's that he said that and he didn't argue as though he thought that at any point.

Say what you will about me and Cam but we were always internally consistent.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 8:16:53 PM
#74
That wasn't why I pushed him. You didn't even read my argument what a bad scum
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Day 29
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07/24/19 8:13:18 PM
#16
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 8:11:54 PM
#70
Hbthebattle posted...
your attempt to pull a "gotcha" on Bolt in ways that I don't feel are fully valid.


I'd find this more credible if you (or anyone) told me why it was invalid

I just gave up on it cause blah blah bandwidth. It was a good slip though.
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 8:07:58 PM
#65
Wow where did that come from

I should have stayed inactive for 42 hours then I wouldn't be so suspicious to hbthebattle
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TopicGodzilla Mafia Topic 2: SKREEEONK!
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07/24/19 8:01:32 PM
#60
Japanese Government is clearly a vanilla fakeclaiming as mayor

Japanese Government has no authority in the land of kaiju you kiddin me

It's okay though Hb will flip scum and we'll all share a beer.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 4 [smfffc]
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07/24/19 7:53:31 PM
#155
Oh

Who died lol
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 4 [smfffc]
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07/24/19 7:52:50 PM
#154
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