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Been flying through. Chapter 14 is nearly done.

Editing is fun but more tedious

If essence isnt a thing then say goodbye to the ideals

and with no ideals, humanity will run out of goals to reach for

then were fucked

best to just act as though its logocentric.

Best long term evolutionary strategy unless something fundamental changes with our neurochemistry

I believe in a logocentric world so disagree

Muscled through 4 chapters this morning while the wife took the kid to a function.

forgot to clean the bathroom...time for a break.

anyone get anything done today?

Allegedly it is fake

nice

Same thing as when I was in my early 20s

you get over it and keep working to better yourself

some will win and some will lose

and some are born to sing the blues

Skipped out last night in my edits. I usually take Friday and Saturday nights off

letting this thing sit a month was the best decision.

vigorm0rtis posted...

If anyone needs a beta reader I'm down-- reliant on genre.

thats nice of you!

what genres do you read

there was a point to my post...

the point is even if you can't finish it, just start writing and keep writing. then you can shelve it and move on to the next thing

cool part is, your writing SHOULD get better

i have a 50k or so big idea essay I wrote which is so scattered I just don't have the energy to get it in the right order

plus the idea isn't complete and its probably too big for 50k

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Having a hard time think of what to write about. Like, if I say I'm gonna write a philosophical essay, I can think of an idea, but not what to say about it and why I might say that thing

Learning about indexical ordering fucked up my communication abilities

ah well non-fiction is definitely a different beast

try writing genre fiction. you just make shit up! Or are you saying you can get the idea, but can't start writing about anything? That is the hard part for sure and why everyone has a book they want to write but most don't.

Just sit down and write each day...eventually you'll have a nice chunk done and it'll motivate you more

MedeaLysistrata posted...

After reading some of the posts itt, and trying to write... I realized I have nothing to say about anything.

what do you mean

CruelBuffalo posted...

No one here is flying off the handle except you dude lol.

It's possible to have different level of severities of caring. Do you have difficulties processing others emotional queues?

nice try

but nope

hey tc where you from

i dont care please dont answer

okay guys

I want you to just imagine

JUST IMAGINE

that you live a life where you actually care if other fucking people apologize for stupid shit they have said

how boring of a life do you have lmao go play some video games or whatever it is you guys do haha

HylianFox posted...

or people could try not being assholes to begin with

but that's too hard

Any chance you can write a book to show us all how to do this? I wasn't aware we had anyone on CE who has never done anything to be an asshole, and makes zero mistakes.

Please tell us how to be angels since you are the arbiter of all that is moral

im so sick of people...everyone thinks they're so god damned perfect its obnoxious. You're not. You're probably a piece of crap too in other areas. So stop

I just cant imagine living my life caring so much how people talk to me

good lawdy

thats a tough one.

im literally skipping doing work right now so I can revise....dammit haha. But another chapter down.

I'm glad I like to write thrillers / suspense. Short chapters make the reading feel it goes by fast, as well as the editing! haha

Hairistotle posted...

k

why i ought a...don't make me come over there

Hairistotle posted...

what do you gain by pretending to be stupid

its not pretend. Im so stupid I hear other peoples opinion and immediately change my entire thought process

im just glad we have good people in charge to protect me against that. Its like when my mom used to cover my ears when bad words were said.

And happy Friday to you

MACisBack posted...

I was going to do some writing last night, but gave it up for family time together.

This afternoon after my exercise, I plan on writing as much as I can, but I feel l'm going to be doing more brainstorming than actual writing of the book.

At least its Friday!

balancing family time is tough

i didnt get to editing until about 11pm since we decided to stay up and watch children of the corn (meh) together

i like brainstorming. Been building a fantasy world on the side for shits and giggles. Do you write dossiers on your characters to get their voice? I tend to write the plot, feel the characters out and learn them on first pass, then adjust in rewrites

I was fine one day then I heard someone say words and now Im alt right

dang

i wish I were as strong as those who dont turn alt right after hearing words

4th chapter was done last night...didn't have motivation to get 2 chapters done last night

I have to stop eating those special brownies my brother in law baked last week...makes me lazy

have you ever read the principia?

you gotta understand that newton's formulation was HEAVILY based upon geometry. In fact, if you arent used to it, when you read the principia you'll be lost.

Took others to reformulate his ideas which allowed us to use the "way of thinking" that he came up with.

Though I gotta say, Galilean invariance seems like a pretty huge turning point as well but galileo doesn't get cred for it outside of physics circles

got my third chapter down. it was a long one so ill count it as 2 chapters today....sure.

an interesting part of this re-writing process is that I've gained about 500 words so far. Its definitely because I'm patching up all the parts I'm telling...showing it extends it out.

but if I add an average of 160ish words a chapter on this, I'll have an extra 11k words when done...whoops. It should still keep me under 90k which is what I'm shooting for.

furb posted...

@Romes187

We had the book. I mean, it was translated from german. It's likely somewhere in my book stack back at my parent's house. Although I might have sold it out of spite.

The course was supposed to be a book by Fichte, a book by Schelling, and then a book by Hegel. We did not make it to Hegel. Everybody had a rough ride with Fichte. We only had a class of like 8 and one of the girls in the course is a philosophy professor in her own right now.

edit

Guess it wasn't the whole thing. It was this specific book. I remember the grey and red cover well.

https://www.amazon.com/Introductions-Wissenschaftslehre-Writings-1797-1800-Classics/dp/0872202399/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=fichte&qid=1571887148&sr=8-1

oh nice. The lectures I was thinking of are the 1804 lectures he held for a small group of people each week in his home. It was his attempt at teaching the science of knowing to regular people

and allegedly the mere action of learning the science is what gets you to learn what it is or something.

but it was just confusing for me...at one point he claims hes trying to get past the assumptions Kant didnt realize he was making

been a while though

furb posted...

The Wissenschaftslehre is the hardest thing I've ever tried reading. I had a 400 level course on it and something by Schelling and wanted to stab my eyes out. It was a fluke they let me take it my freshman year ha ha. Same semester I took a 400 level existential philosophy course. I fell in love the latter but only gained a cautious respect for the former.

did you read the source material?

i used some translated lectures but it was still impossible to comprehend

Here's a fun thing

getting rid of "was" definitely strengthens the prose

I just changed "was decorated with" to "teemed with" and it flows much better.

its just hard as shit to find the right verb sometimes.

I can PM you chapter 1 after work today sure.

I totally skipped revising 2 chapters last night. I got them done earlier but instead of getting ahead of it, I slacked

Cool ideas that can trick you into thinking you understand them quickly, but they go a bit deeper.

Try some Fichte too

do qualia exist

Opinion on mirror neurons or are those out of vogue

my post seems unnecessary since you basically said the same thing

DuranOfForcena posted...

huh, yeah i guess they are called "beats". i've heard of that term applied to screenwriting, but not novel writing. i guess there's no reason it wouldn't apply to both. but yeah, it's a good way of varying things up in between dialogue.

i don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with the usage of "she replied" in your example there, but at the same time i think it could also be replaced with a beat. something simple like "she cocked her head to the side" or "she raised her arms in the air".

"breathed" is something i don't ever think is necessary to say. everyone is breathing, all the time. pointing out at any one particular instance that a character is in fact breathing is just superfluous 100% of the time to me. but "sighed" is a bit different. if you just do a tag with "he sighed" after dialogue, i understand how it can seem kind of awkward, but i don't think it's usually used to denote that a character literally sighed out their dialogue, or spoke the dialogue while sighing or something. i think what people mean is just that the character sighs after the dialogue. but i dunno, for clarity in something like that, i usually put something like "And with that, he sighed". or just have them sigh before the dialogue, and put "He sighed" and then the dialogue to identify the speaker.

but in any case, yeah, there really is nothing wrong with just using "said" when it is appropriate to do so.

I agree with some of what you said but I think something like this

Im so tired, he sighed.

apparently isnt correct formatting (whatever that means).

Im so tired. He sighed.

is how you would do that. I mean...its splitting hairs but I like thinking about form and structure.

yeah I think the term you are referring to is a "beat".

John walked over and poured himself a scotch (beat). "You really think so?"
"Yes," she replied. "It's huge!"

See there I used replied...I even hate doing that. Because the reply is built into the fact that dialogue exists there...I fall for that one a lot though.

Usually if it's two people discussing something, I won't include tags.

But "breathed" or "sighed" bothers me because no one sighs their words...or at least it isn't very common

when you guys write a phone conversation, do you italicize the speakers dialogue that isn't there?

Also, do you guys use a lot of said bookisms? I do not.

MACisBack posted...

I need to learn to write like you as I always loved Indiana Jones and National treasure.

How's the piece your working on coming along?

Hah my goal is to be Dan Brown without the iffy prose. I love his pacing and the story / clues are always fun.

I went lighter on the number of clues to get through and focused more on character. He usually gets through his stories in 24 hours and mine is about 7 or so days...hence why my characters don't fall in love (but develop at least SOME feelings...).

Whats nice about this style is there's always an easy way to expand. Another clue! I did have to do quite a bit of research on the area, and of course the treasure you pick matters. But I ran out of fun stories to read my wife at night so I decided to write my own haha.

I have an idea for a horror story but I'm not sure my world building is good enough to instill that sense of creepiness. I'm good at fast paced action since that's what I like to read.

Is that what you usually write? I didn't go hard on the romance angle in mine, but its more of a national treasure fun type of adventure (with seriously dark moments). But I did put a little bit in...no sex scenes which I don't think I could write.

when he's right, he's right

MACisBack posted...

A very quick summary.

Its a high school horror/mystery about two boys who come from a broken family, a girl who comes from a family that is from a different country, and a local girl who comes from a family but is the only child set in the late eighties.

The brothers are going to summer camp instead of going to their aunt's house for the summer. The youngest brother falls in love with both women and tries to balance them along with his family. As time goes on both women don't want to let him go, and one becomes apparent and aggressive toward keeping him while the other believes that love can conquer all through understanding. On the younger brother's journey he must find his real friends, decipher the clues of conspiracy, uncover the darker agenda, and ultimately figure out how to escape the nightmare before its too late.

Interesting. From the way it sounded in the beginning, I thought it might have been some type of romance love triangle story, but looks like there are some deeper things going on. Curious as to where the conspiracy would be coming from.

MACisBack posted...

Still doing a few pages a day trying to push through the first rough draft.

Right now, I'm at about 2/3's of the way there, but I keep going back to my outline and adding more story arcs in, and making sure all the details line up as I continue writing.

Sweet. What is your book about?

aight finished the damn read through last night. Stayed up until 1AM but first thoughts are that its a decently tight story.

There were a few words here and there I had to cut or change because it was a glaring plot hole...but an easy fix.

And I had changed a pendant to an elixir at one point and the word pendant was still present...should have ctrl-F'd that bad boy before sending to the beta reader but whatever.

Starting re-write # 1. I'm formatting it as well since I don't create in proper format.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Anyone want to start a series press, journal, or magazine?

I don't even know how you do that

spanky1 posted...

Why we let the old one die? :(

I was in palm springs :(

God there was a gaping plot hole I thought I uncovered...but instead its just a really confusing point. Basically the character is lying to a character but I didn't realize it myself lmao

so I was like..."wait that didn't happen like that..." but eventually realized it was supposed to be a lie

Last one purged

im 3/4 of the way through my read through

still diggin it which is a good sign but Im going to have to probably do 2 more passes to get it where I want it