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TomNook posted...

What are you looking for exactly with this?

Dude just admit you got it on TD, this is really sad

Or just avoid TD (and posting things that you get from it as "confirmed") in the future if you don't want this to happen again
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

not sure why he's trying to do this "i'm totally neutral" thing now.

If you say you're neutral then you can't be wrong
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Trump didn't invent white supremacists and he definitely didn't invent shooting massacres. He is making it worse but the issue won't be solved by the next president (or even improved necessarily).
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StealThisSheen posted...

It's less "fear of moving" and more "this is a huge ass decision"

A huge decision with no risk or downside except that he might not like it. The obvious option that everyone has told him is just go try it for a year. But he is avoiding that option so hard that he would rather just break up with her, and now he is trying to get a therapist to convince her to stay. If it's not fear then it's something else irrational that definitely needs therapy.
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TomNook posted...

neutrally present evidence

Try doing it non neutrally
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Would you go to a therapist to make sure you don't have a mental illness causing your fear of moving?
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I think what Nook is saying is that since the guy wasn't pro-fascist then he is by definition antifa
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

TomNook posted...

Don't know if it's been pointed out, as I only skimmed this topic, but the Dayton shooter (Not the El Paso shooter) was a confirmed Antifa supporter.

Lmao

If that's true then the democrats are winning the election by a landslide
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Sounds like you need a couples therapist if anything. Seems like she should just break up with you and get it over with though.
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Mass Destruction verrrrry slightly better but they are real close

But Time/Sun >>>> Want to be Close/Changing Seasons
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PerfectChaosZ posted...

I dont think take all citizens guns away is a plan from anyone outside of a Republicans fever dream.

Talk to people more. Corrik is right in here saying it for example.
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PerfectChaosZ posted...

Its not the first mass shooting or the hundredth. I think were well passed first terrible idea. Were not even trying to do anything about it. Its not even in the works. Absolutely **** nothing. For years.

How many 9/11s would justify the Iraq war?

And yes "ban guns from civilians" which is not unlike Corrik's idea is the first terrible idea anyone has when this happens.
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PerfectChaosZ posted...

My father would consider that the government taking his guns away.

It is. It's the most bootlicking authoritarian shit you could come up with in response to this.
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PerfectChaosZ posted...

Well I can tell you not doing anything isnt mattering either.

The opposite of "not doing anything" is not "doing anything". It's doing something effective. The difference is extremely important because when there's tragedies, the public is way too willing to go for the first terrible make-things-way-worse-in-the-long-run-and-also-in-the-short-run nonsense, just to feel like they're not "not doing anything".

We say never to forget 9/11 but it is constantly forgotten.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Is there actually any link to the way mass shooters tend to acquire guns that could be altered? Or is it the particular type of gun that maybe could be regulated better (were these AR-15s)?

Like what could actually have been done to help prevent these tragedies?

You know how people are saying the focus on mental health is a distraction when there's a shooting? The focus on gun control is also a distraction. Background checks and banning AR 15s wouldn't stop any of these. These are coordinated terrorist acts planned over months, not unlike 9/11.

And the same people calling for more gun control in these situations are the ones who ridicule the rise of the TSA in response to 9/11. It's all the same security theater with the only tangible effect of vastly increasing the government's power and every day use of force against innocents. There is no evidence that any of it prevents terrorism.

People point to other countries where guns are banned and think we can just flip that switch and do it here, but they are ignoring the massive roots that gun-based authority has in the US. It all has to change together, otherwise the problem doesn't change. It's like looking at an electric car's battery and thinking you can make your gas car just as good by adding a battery. No, you have to rip out the engine and most of the other parts, THEN the battery can actually be used effectively. Otherwise it's just a shitty hybrid.

(Nevermind that other countries have the same or worse nationalist radicalization problems as the US, just the killings are less frequent)

It's totally doable to massively reduce or even eliminate the guns in the US though imo. It would coincide naturally with a reduction in gun-based authority from the government. Disarm the police, make the military reserve-only so only active military in declared wars have guns, THEN it makes sense to disarm the public via voluntary trade in. That's how other countries do it, not just banning civilian guns. The spirit of the 2nd amendment would even remain intact with some other conditions.
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Corrik's plan is for Inviso to say "yes I condemn antifa violence" and then he will be like "HAHA SIKE I don't condemn the white supremacists at all, but I just made you condemn your allies, I fucking tricked you and won and now I can be a white supremacist with no guilt!!!"
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No one has blocked me so far, not even ulti, wow
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Corrik7 posted...

Example of harassment as terrorism.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/29/ku-klux-klan-incident-at-islamic-prayer-centre-newtownards-hate-say-belfast-police

Hmm that's something. Are you sure this was supported by the organization though and not just rogue members? Either way, it doesn't really compare to people going out in riot gear and beating people with batons.
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Yeah those are good examples against neo nazis. The KKK is just a Christian organization though and is not inciting violence.
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Corrik7 posted...

People aren't disagreeing about the KKK. We are in agreement.

I'm not. Tons of people are not. Convince us.
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Corrik7 posted...

I have never at any point said that Antifa is worse than the KKK. I have said both are vile, terrorist groups.

You have spent like 20 posts in a topic about mass shootings explaining how bad antifa is, and barely even 1 post on the KKK. Use your energy properly.
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Corrik7 posted...

It is amazing that we are literally having people argue that Neo Nazis and the KKK would be all right if they just beat and harassed people nonstop but there wasn't a death to their name.

You're literally saying antifa is worse than the KKK because you can't even point to 1 example of violence from the KKK while you have a couple from antifa
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v_charon posted...

Are you like, literally Donald Trump?

Trump would never call the KKK or neo-nazis terrorists
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

That didn't take long. This is how you get Trump elected in a landslide.

That's an example of what will flip white Democrats to Trump?
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Corrik7 posted...

I assume the KKK is still up to nefarious deeds.

You had evidence of antifa terrorism ready in 3 minutes but for the KKK you're just going by a guess?
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Corrik7 posted...

They can both be wrong, my dude.

Why did you group the KKK with them though?
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Most antifa are white men too so Seph needs to stop Corrik ASAP before something happens
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Corrik7 posted...

I think we can all agree the KKK, Neo-Nazi offshoots, Antifa are all terrorist organizations.

When has the KKK been responsible for terrorism?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

My whole entrance into the topic is that if presidential candidates start talking like this

The point is condemning white supremacy is not condemning white men in general.

Republicans condemned gay people (the vast majority of which are white in the US) for decades and it didn't turn off white people at all.

What's so special about the niche of white supremacy that makes it impossible to touch without offending half the country?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Uhh there are cancer vaccines dude. I have worked on one of them.

How did they come up with it? Take your analogy to the end
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Vaccination. Owned.

Is this a joke about anti-vac or something or do you actually think vaccines are related to cancer?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

And wouldn't calling white males out for being the most common terrorists cause idiots to take up arms and attempt to stop them?

The most common terrorists are white males. Anyone can see that with their own eyes.

There is no calling out, there is no rhetoric, there is no incitement.

The flaw would be to say, because most common terrorists are white males, you need to be afraid of white males in general. That you need to kill tjhem. That is what Trump does with immigrants. No one is doing that for white males and anyone who does that needs to be condemned, as Trump and nationalists and supremacists need to be condemned.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Why does anyone think it's important to specifically call out the political motivations of a killer? Are we preventing future shootings by labeling these people as white supremacists? Please walk me through how that changes anything.

How do you cure cancer without diagnosing it?

Answer that or get the hell out of the way with your "essential oils" and "positive thinking" alternative medicine
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Have you watched the debates? Almost every candidate speaks like white men need to be monitored like they're on parole.

Like I said, statists are wild to think that politicians saying some sentences on TV have the power to change centuries (and millenia before that) of entrenched power structures.

Government isn't God
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Denounce MURDER

That would be a really really good goal. But that's way harder than denouncing white supremacy.
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Ok so your real overestimation is in the Democrats' power to marginalize white men. Statists are wild.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

I think people need to come to grips with the fact that there is no solution for this problem other than to ignore the shooters' motives

The problem you're talking about is definitely different from everyone else's problem
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

but if white supremacy becomes the target, regular whites will absolutely be a part of a massive political backlash

Except for white gays, liberals, feminists, communists etc who are immune.

You can very easily tell "normal" whites from "enemy" whites, so don't pretend that it requires some impossible 4D chess to tell a white supremacist from a normal white person. You're just afraid of white supremacists becoming the enemy. The lesson of McCarthyism is not that we're not allowed to condemn terrorists anymore.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Trying to treat whites like Muslims after 9/11

That's impossible, fortunately.

But living in fear of blowback, treating an entire group of people like volatile animals who must be allowed to do whatever they want without any consequences, or else even worse things will happen, it's just not sustainable. It's just a dream of the status quoers. It means the terrorists win.

Basically, there has to be turmoil and disaster in the process. We can try to minimize and protect against it as much as possible, but we definitely should not stop the process.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Not saying it's a flip. It's a gradual turn street a decade of demonizing rhetoric.

Yeah that's what I was getting at. It's not a flip, these people are very deep into the radicalized mentalities already. But it's over 100+ years of US history, not just 10 (shout out to MetalDK).

The idea that using nice and and coddling rhetoric is the solution to hateful and anti-social worldviews established over multiple generations is pretty ridiculous.

Like I said though, you would know about it a lot better than me. So if nicer rhetoric is really a solution to white supremacism then it should definitely be done, no matter how ridiculous it seems. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence at all for its effectiveness. In fact all the evidence points towards the opposite.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

History shows us that people (as a whole) in these perceived circumstances are capable of much more.

I mean that much is clear, this topic is about 3 fragile white male massacres in the past week.

But for the masses (which is relevant to the vote), it's too much of a stretch for millions of people to flip allegiance just because some politicians and media don't start their statements with "first of all not ALL white men do this, but..."
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Seph is overestimating how fragile the white male is, but he is one himself so I guess I can't argue too much
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davidponte posted...

What if I don't like it?

Then leave lol

(Or try to work it out, but either way you're equal or better off than breaking up now)
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Corrik7 posted...

It makes me think this has come down to attention seeking and trying to leave their mark on society moreso than mental health at this point.

Yes, terrorism
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What was that process everyone went through with Last Surprise?

1st listen: meh
2nd listen: I still don't get it
3rd listen: not that bad actually
4th listen: YOULL NEVER SEE IT COMINGGGGGG
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Leafeon13N posted...

Because people on 4chan and similar are literally encouraging people to do more of these as they are going.

I mean my point is they were raised on 4/8chan. It's where they were radicalized and where they built up the motivation to do this. It's not just people being opportunistic to try to troll with shock humor, it's the terrorist's actual home and support network, so of course they will post there before murder suicide.

Those boards and the internet in general does not realize how many genuinely motivated people are finding strong community and support among them. It's too easy to just think of everyone as a self-aware troll having fun, but probably over half of them have lost sense of reality vs fiction.
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I recently have been in a similar situation and the bottom line is this: if she is absolutely adamant about living there, and you are only unsure about it, then obviously do it. It's like a +1000 for her and a -50 at worst for you (since you can move back and be no worse off than breaking up in the first place). No brainer.

If you have a real reason to avoid moving there, then that's fine, but it doesn't seem like it. Jobs and such are all fine. You're just apprehensive which is totally normal for such a big decision. It would be ridiculous to break up over this.

Especially since you've been together for 8 years and haven't married yet, it seems like you're subconsciously conflating this decision with marriage. Which is fair because that's what it is. So if you don't want that then don't do it.

Also portuguese is easy af and english is used all over europe pretty often.
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Vlado posted...

Nobody says ditching porn alone can solve your unrelated problems.

Don't post an entire topic featuring an image with a giant image saying that ditching porn will solve everything and then say that nobody is saying it
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Corrik7 posted...

What is with this posting manifestos/going to 8chan and 4chan prior to doing / after doing these things. Craziness.

Where else would they post it?
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Damn I need to replay P3P
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