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It would be amazing if that was a bungled pick and they were told to pick Cam Reddish if there and took Cam Johnson by mistake since Reddish went

Like zero chance that's the case but would be hilarious

That is a crazy mad flex by the Suns picking a second rounder at 11

Oh lord I'm dying

https://mobile.twitter.com/ballisvida/status/1141859497486540812/photo/1

It took 2 1st rounders to move Crabbes expiring 17m.

So moving back to 8 and getting a 17 too to shift 12m expiring is pretty good considering the Crabbe deal

KCF0107 posted...

Hawks didn't even have to give up both of their Top Ten picks

But they did take on Hills contract. Not bad for them but that alone is worth the shift from 4 to 8 for the Pelicans

Depends on number of years in the NBA

~27.2m for under 7
~32 for 7-9
~37 for 10+

Its 25%, 30%, 35% of cap. Cap is projected to be 109m

Keith Smith's projected cap space (Jazz no longer accurate)

1. NYK - $70.5M
2. SAC - $62.6M
3. LAC - $52.9M
4. BKN - $47.4M
5. IND - $44.0M
6. UTA - $33.4M
7. DAL - $29.8M
8. BOS - $27.8M
9. LAL - $27.7M
10. ATL - $24.9M
11. CHI - $20.8M
12. NOP - $19.9M
13. DEN - $16.9M

The number of teams who can dish out a max contract is shrinking and people opting out may have made bad moves

Don't know if it was posted in the other topic. Grizzlies traded Conley to the Jazz

I think it's something that stops being an issue very quickly. The number of players still in the game who had stats at game start has to be minimal now. Best case scenario a player with stats would be 22 assuming they were drafted at 21 and had played 1 season but in most cases they would be older. That essentially rules out virtually all skill positions.

Some of the remaining players don't come in game with stats because of their position played.

I cannot imagine it applying to more than 3 to 4 players given the circumstances and required stats they would have to put up but it's entirely possible Bell is the only guy it applies to going forward

Kelly Campbell

All time leader in yards and TD's. Whilst his yardage is going to be surpassed, his TD total is going to remain at the top (or top 2) for a long time. It is also worth noting that Campbell put up these numbers playing a lot of his career as WR2. How many WR2's are putting up 1000+ yards and 10+ TDs a season? As a one off sure but consistently? Those are ridiculous numbers. A lot of peoples WR1s don't even put up those numbers. I know that I have precisely zero 1000+ Yards 10+ TD seasons by a Wide Receiver in the last 6 seasons and I have always had a 90+ WR on the team (granted being thrown to be a multitude of bad QBs)

Vote - Yes

Mark Tauscher

This one I am more torn on as his totals are likely to be surpassed however retiring O-line men are at a disadvantage stat wise. I'm assuming that O-linemen retiring now started off in the game at ~25-26 with empty stats but they lost their first 2-4 seasons of stats. Whereas going forward we are going to start getting Oline players who were drafted as 21-23 year olds and so get 13-17 years of stats behind them instead of the 11 years of stats that Tauscher gets. I think in isolation we can see his Blocks/Sacks ratio is outstanding. He may not lead that blocks category and is only going to fall down the list but his ratio is going to remain at the top end. His stats on a per season basis fall under the same criteria. And his number of post season awards only add to that

Vote - Yes or save his numbers and revisit in 1-2 seasons when that Top 10 list changes

Tatum Bell

I think I've already spoken enough on Bell but he has an MVP award, a record season that is unlikely to be surpassed and if we relook at his stats 5 years down the line he is probably still going to fall in the Top 3 to 5 stat wise.

Vote - Yes unless you guys wants to be sticklers with the criteria

Tutan Reyes

His block total is clearly going to be surpassed but the same thing that applies to Tauscher also applies to Reyes. If you look at that list on a Sack/Block Ratio you can see he clearly has the best ratio and unless the people behind him have a monstrous few seasons that's likely to stay the same. Maybe some people just off the list have better ratios and will make his numbers look worse in a few seasons when they breech the top 10?

Vote - Yes or save his stats and revist in 1-2 seasons when that list changes

I think that is anyone is going to finish their career in the Top 3-5 of a position and their stat line is going to hold up in the Top 3-5 for the foreseeable future (4-5 years?) then they should get into the HOF

I have to assume they had a ridiculously run heavy strategy that season as I'm typically a run heavy team and even when my RB1 stays healthy for the full season he ends up with about 400-430 carries which is still crazy high considering that's just carries and not touches.

This version of Madden does favor the run though. The league leading passers are usually ~3000-3500 yards and ~25-30 TDs whereas the league leading rusher is usually 1800+ yards and it's not unusual to have 5+ RB's at like 1500+ yards for the season.

I feel bad for Celtics fans as that window looks like it shut so damn fast.

I do want to point out I was laughed at and ridiculed for suggested the Nets may be in better shape than the Celtics going forward. I said it at like midseason looking forward at their cap situation and players.

And yet that isn't even the biggest story today. Looks like shit is going down for the Celtics with Horford opting out and also not looking to resign there

But yeah Harrison Barnes be crazy. Not even like he has incentive to take a low contract for a ring

Yeah. It's the main way I stay in touch with friends and family after emigrating in 2012. I don't really see an issue with Facebook

crazyisgood posted...

You are 100% wrong. I don't want to know how to do it. Just if it can be done.

Yes. Not sure how a Google search wouldn't have instantly told you this. Or a 10 second conversation with anyone who has played Pokemon Go

Guessing nobody proofread that poster for the erroneous word in there

Just updating my spreadsheets and I know 3 teams have been updated (Wildcats, Panthers, Steelers). Seems like some Wildcats had stellar years ratings jump wise

Tyson Alualu dropped from 80 to 79 in his rookie season but bounced back to 83 this season
Robert Quinn stayed idle at 83 in his rookie season but jumped to 85 this season
Avery Williamson continues to be probably the steal of the draft jumping to 84 (projected 4th-5th and started as a 76)

Wildcats now have 2x 84 rated OLBs who are only 24/25 yo and OLB is one of the weaker positions in the league where 84 is ~30th rated in the league but ~64th rated (I.e. back end OLB2) is a lowly 77.

Steelers and Panthers ratings jumps for draftees in the last 2 seasons far duller and nothing really notable. I guess Breeland is partially notable for going 77 > 78 if only because he was a 74 after preseason (which I'm sure happens more frequently than we know but I have no intention of making KCF giving us notable preseason jumps/drops)

I'm sure people are aware by now that I am always open to trading but now that the season has ticked over I'm reminding people that these players are potentially available.

G Jonathan Fletcher (90 OVR - 25yo)
QB Michael Turner (84 OVR - 27yo)
FS Corey Campbell (88 OVR - 31yo) or the younger FS Tashaun Gipson (84 OVR - 27yo)
MLB Bryan Vinson (86 OVR - 29yo)

I could also probably be persuaded to part with one of my WRs (Meachem 91 OVR and O'Neal 85 OVR). I'm mainly looking for draft picks or a high end DE

Using last seasons ratings (because not everyone has been updated but above OVRs and Ages are accurate for those players at least) this is where those OVRs rank compared against the league

90 OVR Guard = Joint 21st (through to 30th)
84 OVR QB - 30th
88 OVR FS = Joint 13th (through to 15th)
84 OVR FS = Joint 26th (through to 28th)
86 OVR MLB = Joint 16th (through to 17th)
91 OVR WR = Joint 3rd (through to 8th)
85 OVR WR = Joint 25th (through to 49th)

I don't think OVRs are the be all and end all but just giving them for reference

Personally the only way Bell isn't worthy to me is if you're having a hardline stance on players who had stats prior to the game starting. If you are setting Bell as the benchmark you are essentially asking a player to average 1000+ rushing yard / 10+ TDs a season for 12 seasons to get consideration.

How many players in the league have as many yards as Bell? How many can potentially pass his yard/TD totals? I feel the answer to that has to be pretty low (3? 4?) as we don't get many year 1 starters at RB and RB is such a high attrition position that the players who can reach those numbers get curtailed by injuries.

I think KCF gave us a list of names who had a shot at Emmitt Smith's record maybe last season and the list was incredibly small and needed significant luck. Jacquizz Rodgers was the main candidate I think.

Just for comparison. Jamario Thomas has been my workhorse in the last 5 seasons. In those 5 seasons as a starter he has averaged ~1400 total yards a season and has started probably 75-80% of all games (which feels about average for a HB?). He has 34 TDs in those 5 seasons.

Bell has 102 TDs in 11 seasons and averaged 1623 total yards across 9 seasons. So both a decent chunk ahead of Jamario.

Jamario is a significantly above average HB imo. He is a 90+ rated RB who has been getting 80/20 splits on a running heavy team and has a rushing title of his own. He isn't the best HB in the league but he's probably 'elite' and has been Top 5 during that stretch

MysteriousStan posted...

Anyone want to make a case for Bell? I'm undecided on him?

Holds the rushing record that is unlikely to be surpassed and 1623 yards a season is monstrous as an average. Most years 1623 is Top 3 to 5 rushing and this dude averaged that. And I have to assume being a running back he got injured at some point so to average that with injuries in ridiculous

I will say from an outsiders perspective that Ulti's behavior was terrible and whilst he may have apologized for it, this isn't an isolated incident. This seems to be his go to whenever things are not going his way.

Belittling everyone elses play and personal attacks absolutely should not be allowed or condoned. Even minor stuff like calling everyone else (in general) trash and the worst at mafia / etc shouldn't be allowed and should be an insta modkill when it comes to Ulti at this point just because of how often he does it. And any actual personal attack should be a ban.

I feel like it boils down to one thing. Ulti is hyper competitive and that escalates into being a sore loser when things don't go his way.

Corrik7 posted...

ScareChan posted...

I would say I probably have one of the highest winning percentages but I dont have record to track

Could probably look it up though

I believe it.

I know I only have 1 loss and it was in my first game. And it was annoying as shit because I was killed by Mafia for listing their entire team as scum during a tiebreaker at Mylo. Everybody thought it was weird that the newbie was killed but nobody looked at my scum list and just wrote it off as 'Oh they thought he was Cop or tracker, good job SE!' when I was vanilla and didn't breadcrumb anything else as I was a newbie and didn't even think to do that.

That being said, I haven't played a ton of games

I thought Red was the final scum but not by anything concrete that I really deduced by following the game. It was mainly because he was still alive and whilst I'm sure it's happened plenty before, every game I watch Red is always killed super quick as town and people are always quick to comment on town Red never living long. And that doesn't seem a good enough reason in a final three.

Good job there Town.

They are obviously the frontrunners but I really think the Lakers are going to run into issues with the amount of minutes AD and Lebron play. Unless they are able to add a lot of cut price depth then those two are going to have to play a hell of a lot of minutes and games.

And it would only take 1 injury to either of them to completely fuck the team

Would it really be surprising if the Lakers lose in round 1 or 2 of the playoffs, then AD looks and sees

36 year old LeBron
Nobody else decent
Incompetent FO
No draft picks ever again

And decides to leave? If winning is truly his priority it makes no sense to commit to LA

That would be amazing

I literally didn't play the epilogue part. I probably should at some point

Oh and as for poll. I went for Raiders just due to their retirements and that they are up against the Broncos but I'm sure ratings changes could sway that opinion if they got big bumps for their run

I had been tempted by Vikings after seeing a huge retirement list but it seems like none of their retirements were really a big deal

I looked through quite a few of them and it seemed like there was a lot of players who would barely see the field on AI teams. I'm not sure when they acquired those players though (I.e. if they picked them up as roster fillers or if they drafted them and barely played them)

I think the Jags own my 7th from the Jahvid Best trade.

Always good to see former players entering the league as coaches.

Its retirement day! Probably!

I honestly think the Pelicans are a significantly better team after this trade and that's without even factoring in the picks they got. Ball, Ingram, Zion, Jrue is a pretty nice core. If they flip that 4 pick for a decent player they are probably playoff bound.

The Lakers are gonna suffer from a severe lack of depth. Lebron and AD are going to have to play so many minutes and games due to having no bench

Man that seems a crazy amount to give up for a guy who whilst is an undoubted all star, he couldn't even drag that Pelicans team to the playoffs most years

TheRock1525 posted...

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/longwood-mayor-matt-morgan-celebrates-nonverbal-son-saying-abcs

This is fucking awesome.

TIL that Matt Morgan is the mayor of Longwood. Man, how did I not hear about this earlier when it's just up the road from me.

But yeah that is awesome about his son

Sent a final reminder to the guys so we will see if they confirm. Not super hopeful anymore despite them saying before they wanted to keep participating previously

I think he is trying to say Klay might not be the same player when he returns so do you want to tie up 32m+ a year on him.

If they don't resign Klay and Durant leaves they have about 30m in cap space I think. Draymond and Iggy are expirings so potentially movable if they really wanted to blow it up and those 2 account for 35m

In 20/21 Currys money is the only money on the books.

Light up the AEW vs peak TNA signal yo!

Opting in does add an element of risk in that if his rehab goes badly he might not get a max in 2020. With it being Durant though I'm sure someone risks it anyway

Taking a max ensures he gets his money and also let's him integrate with his team during the rehab process and have input on the direction they go in.

I think he probably opts in

Klays best bet is probably signing a 1+1 I think.

He could then opt out next season in a barren looking FA market and get maxed out either by Warriors or another team. Alternatively he can play the 2 years and then hes eligible for 10 year player max contract. Could also be eligible for supermax in 2 years time (which he isn't now)

Durant has a player option. Klay is a true FA

Congratulations dudes!

Crow (Trails of Cold Steel)

I haven't logged in for a few months. Logged in and got 30 summons via the challenge things. 1x Estelle on the final pull

It feels like the Anthony Davis trade is going to happen tonight but I know it probably doesn't.

Tacko Fall making 7ft+ Mo Bamba look like Kevin Hart

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8WAxrmXYAYdH7U?format=jpg&name=900x900

Sent another reminder just now. Will do a final one in Friday night is necessary then it is what it is

And I totally get why the Raptors fans in this topic are offended by it. I'm sure any fan would be if other people are calling out your fanbase. I am not accusing any of the Raptors fans in this topic of being that way as that is not remotely what I've seen from you guys all season.

I'm not bashing all Raptors fans but I do think it's some convenient handwaving to say that if the fans we could see did something that is perceived as negative, then the portion that we couldn't see just happens to be the polar opposite.

I think the chances are that if the portion of the fanbase we couldn't see was put into that same atmosphere, then we see a similar result because of mob mentality. Probably slightly lesser numbers as I'm sure that behavior is more prevalent amongst diehard fans and there's going to be a larger proportion of those fans in attendance.

Of course it isn't all Raptors fans, I'm not stupid. I just think it's naive to say that we get a completely opposite reaction from the fans we can't see.

Psyonix posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

davidponte posted...

ITT:

Portion of fans have a mental lapse because they're in a high stress situation, realize how stupid they are, come to their senses

"Wow all of these people are trash and I refuse to accept anything other than that initial transgression. Being an intellectual, I can say with certainty that none of my fellow fans would every stoop to those levels"

Is this cancel culture?

Problem was it didn't look to be just a vocal minority or small portion of the fans. It was a lot of fans. Always going to look worse in that case

Wow I never knew a majority of the entire Raptors fanbase were all in attendance last night.

It's almost like the public is going to base their opinion on your fanbase by the fans that they are able to see. Shocking.

I also already addressed this.