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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 3:56:49 PM
#247
Yup, we're presenting the roll right away.

Gonta's randomly arguing with us, lmao. We obviously immediately disagree with him by pointing out toilet paper can't tear in the game.

"Killed by toilet paper... it was a fitting end of her." Himiko is on fucking fire.

People are asking about who brought the hammer. Maki already knows, but we'll point it out anyway - it was Miu herself.

As for why? Let's Debate! We're going to Agree with Kokichi about the secret meetup, of course. She was planning to kill Kokichi.

This is one of the dumber Psyche Taxis in obviousness. [Miu] was trying to kill Kokichi in the [Virtual World], with the poison there as a [distraction]. Duh.

Kaito doesn't think Miu placed the bottle, though. Interesting. Debate time. Having a really hard time figuring out what to agree/disagree with, since Miu's non-human status isn't allowed here.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 3:37:23 PM
#246
well that was a decent break

We're skipping the basic explanation this time, and Kokichi asks about a tie - evidently, if two people tie as a leader, then you're good as long as one person's the real blackened - it evidently works like One Night Ultimate Werewolf.

"KAITO'S THE MURDERER!" Kokichi getting this shit off on the right foot! We immediately break the poisoning explanation - by Kokichi's own explanation. This guy just always lies!

Okay, so the Simulator was the real cause of death. Time to search within it, too. We're gonna Agree with Maki here that strangulation is probably it - it's hard to correlate reality to the game perfectly, but I'd thought Miu was strangled in the real world.

Keebo points out it's very hard to strangle someone of equal strength. Which makes it almost certain that the toilet paper roll was used to hang Miu - and that she was then pushed off the roof, perhaps? Posting this theory immediately since I'm sure we'll dissect it soon.

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* Monokubs talk about how Himiko has changed, but Monokuma points out she's lost what made her unique. LOL. "Someday, my chest will grow like CRAZY."
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 2:29:31 PM
#245
Pre-trial, Kokichi vs Kaito for Shuichi's heart continues, and... well, Maki gives us the "remember who you are" line again. This is interesting.

Monotaro got his ass beat and he's back to normal now. LOL.

Save point time! Taking a break.

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* Guessing the red/blue is a red herring. There's enough other stuff that easily could have explained the murder at this point.

* Don't see any bloodshot eyes from Miu... so is the bottle of poison also a red herring? It's hard t osee how you could have rigged it given all the stuff that happened inside.

* Keebo's voice might be explained by the non-human parameter? Is his avatar human?

* It can't really be Miu herself with her plan backfiring, can it? Personality-wise, I don't really see Gonta. Story-wise, doubt it's Kaito as his stomach illness hasn't been addressed properly and doesn't fit this game. Maki is also important for later, and Himiko felt endgame-ish with her POSITIVE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. I also don't want it to be Kokichi, and Tsugumi's witness account at the very least felt legit.

* In other words, I don't know the culprit! Maybe it's Keebo? My guess about a Rube Goldberg machine set up by Kokichi and triggered by either Gonta or Kaito appears to be wrong now.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 2:26:00 PM
#244
We note the obvious - that there's a secret to the world map.

Keebo shows us the toilet paper outside, and we inform him that we don't need to shit. Very interesting - this thing could have been used as its own bridge, since it's unbreakable, right? It could also have been used to strangle Miu's avatar...

Ahhh, the river runs the other way! It's almost certain that you can wrap the world map somehow, and it may have to do with the river. This reminds me rather pleasantly of 2-4 (though the non-real-world stuff makes it feel unnecessary).

Here's Miu's body, which Himiko attests is in the same condition as before. We find a hammer immediately, which certainly lends us to think that it could have been Miu who was planning a murder. And... yup, you can log someone else using a cell phone. This was obviously Miu who did this. We also just totally fucked with Kaito aww yeah.

Ah, right. Kokichi and Miu defnitely were in cahoots last night. And the rooftop was mentioned. Keebo sharp this time. He doesn't seem to be the killer. We also see a wooden lattice that isn't from the chapel... We quickly verify that you can hide shit in your pockets, and now it's over to the mansion rooftop.

It really is funny having everyone rely on Shuichi now. The polar opposite of "dude where's my respect." Tsumugi notes a lock on the door, but it's not added to our clue, and thank god because I'm so sick of locked room mysteries.

The roof is high and slanted - it's possible that a loud thud was the avatar falling off the roof, which would have been a means of murder. Himiko for once is bummed about the lack of a locked room mystery. (Also, the toilet paper roll seems to indicate a means of getting off the roof - it's right next to the binoculars, after all.) We find something missing in the storage room, which is... well, it's obviously the mat.

Maki shows! Program analysis done! Poor Himiko doesn't wanna go inside anymore. It's always the game-haters who wind up loving 'em!

Maki is "..."ing us. Tryna give us the identity pep talk.

Out we go, and Kokichi gives us his alibi - that he was in the salon. But he couldn't reach the rooftop because it was locked, which does sound possibly legit.

The skinny:

* All weapons deleted except the hammer.
* Cell phone was original.
* Maps were added.
* Nothing else could have been used as a bridge.
* Human vs non-human objects are in the game... but Miu's avatar was non-human.
* Save point wall is Miu's addition... and it lets non-humans through.
* If Miu's avatar touched Kokichi's, Kokichi would be paralyzed.
* There was an avatar user error from login #1. So someone f'd up. I'm guessing Keebo, since he's a robot? Or Kokichi, who was aware something might happen?

DING DONG

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* Himiko: "*sob* I'm so proud of you... You made friends with real people... not maps..." The more outspoken-ness is predictable, but the shade is unexpected and amusing!

* Himiko: "That's the kind of line that triggers a death flag." When did Himiko steal Tsumugi's role, too? Monotaro really just raises shitton of them, though, including ending with "What's that noise I hear? I'll go investigate on my own!!!"
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 1:51:43 PM
#243
Kaito's trying to take Shuichi's burden, but Kokichi stops him. "Shuichi is the most reliable person in a class trial, y'know? Why would we let such an important person work together with a suspect like you?" Aww yeah.

In any case, Kaito had the most obvious means, so it's probably not him. Maki is pretty much out as a suspect. If I'm right about Kokichi rigging it so someone else was the official killer, then it's almost certainly Gonta.

Time to investigate, with Kokichi as the partner! Himiko explains her account of the story. Miu went out to search on her own, evidently. Miu's body was found after the loud noise - but we heard that sound. Kokichi points out this narrows the suspects, but this type of narrowing the suspects has worked in literally no case so far this game.

Not working with Maki this time. She's playing with the computer, and she's found a text file with the rules. The real world body... can die from shock. Uh, WHAT. Almost certainly a red herring, though. Anyway, it really sounds like Miu was planning a murder, and that right now Shuichi's lab has nothing to do with it.

Monotaro steps in (very bizarrely) to verify that the text file is real - and perhaps more importantly, he's also provided login and logout times. Nothing seems inconsistent - other than a relatively long waiat between Shuichi's logout and Kokichi's. Kaito, of course, is first in line. Monotaro is also happy to tell us exactly what Miu did - but it won't be ready for some time.

Some helmets still have their cords plugged in, others have them removed... "I'm positive that they were unplugged after logging out..." This triggers a memory about mixing cables.

Here comes Tsugumi's account. Seems pretty clear that somehow, there's a loophole that lets you see/hear from the mansion into the chapel, and/or vice versa. There's a 10-minute gap in the story, but then, the loud noise didn't happen for ten minutes. And Kaito's account: He got logged out from the roof. Kokichi's card key almost certainly caused this.

Oh, there's a small bottle. Miu might have died from poison. Yup, Kokichi points it out - it's from our lab. Kokichi knows all about it - it works instantly and causes bloodshot eyes.

Headed back into the Virtual world: Keebo, Himiko, Tsumugi, Kaito, and us. Much more discussion about red/blue and left/right.

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* "Wow, Shuichi, did you hear that?! The robot's being sassy with me! Did you know? Robots don't need warm blood to function, so they become cold like this..."

* "A vulgar death fit for a vulgar bitch."

* Himiko loving her avatar is pretty cute.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 1:19:40 PM
#241
This is going to be such an insanely boring case if Kokichi is the killer (especially after his "strangle" comments). My hope is that what this means is that Kokichi rigged the setup that strangled Miu and that someone accidentally triggered it (like when Nagito forced Chiaki to kill him in a previous case). And then Kokichi could be what it seemed like Kiyo had potential to be in case 3.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 1:16:19 PM
#240
aw, miu has been strangled. :(
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 1:15:46 PM
#239
WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much attention is being paid to putting the red and blue wires into the correct ports. It'll probably turn out to be nothing, but this scene was stupidly long otherwise. Which sounds typical of DR, to be fair.

Love everyone trashing the graphics. Kaito alludes to his illness but quickly covers it up. Maki appears and... immediately wants to go back. Love it. The discovery that our senses are linked is an interesting one. Miu spits out a few extra rules upon being bullied by Miu - that objects are unbreakable (including avatars)... and that all avatars have the same physical strength. Everyone notes Gonta and Himiko's strength differential. Could provide an opportunity to kill Gonta and save Kaito for Case 5.

So, there's something up with the maps, but whatever. Gonta and Kokichi run off alone, despite Gonta's claiming he would no longer obey Kokichi.

Roof first. Binoculars only go a certain distance... and Miu's playing coy about it. Also a storage shed, which is empty of stuff that could have been dangerous.

Everyone runs down, and only Keebo hesitates... nothing exists beyond one wall, and Keebo's beginning to wonder about how that aligns with the academy's walls.

Miu explains that we need to extend the bridge, and that some masochist needs to do it - aka us. And... uh, all the women seem to agree with this. There is something masochistic about the grind of DR3.

On Kokichi and Gonta showing again: "It's more convenient when we're all together, anyway!" ... Don't tell me Miu is Kiyo'ing and just luring everyone here for a murder that only she could possibly have planned. LOL.

The world starts to load. Everyone notices this. No sight or sound is visible through the wall. It's hilariously meta, but it's also going to be key. This level of detail seems like the case is going to use it? I guess?

We find another house. It's a chapel with a ton of random stuff. Kokichi manipulates Kaito onto the roof. Maki is a little upset that we're going with her and Kaito - doesn't want us cockblocking.

Ohh, never mind - looks like Maki didn't want us leaving her. So five of us are now on the mansion side. The fact that so many of us will be on one side of the save point will surely be relevant! YESSSSSS, Miu just cut off the fucking bridge! She wants to live alllll alone with Maki and Himiko and Keebo now! Even Kokichi is pissed!

We split - Kokichi alone - and we're paired with Tsumugi. We go alone into the kitchen - but nothing. This was clearly just done so Kokichi could be isolated for a bit of time to prepare the motive, right? Tsugumi also found nothing. We figure out it was Kokichi, and Tsugumi says she saw Miu... and BANGGGG.

We start running, and that's Keebo's voice - all right! But Keebo's on the other side of the bridge (and standing right there with the others), so there are obviously other secrets to this world. Maki's still upset. But we're able to rebuild the bridge since the sign fell against a rock. Meanwhile, Miu's avatar isn't moving and Kaito is missing. Maki hopes Kaito is okay, but I'm hoping he's not, for the sake of the game!

Kokichi insists on leaving last. LOL. But before we go... he says, stop being friends with Kaito, and be Kokichi's friend instead. We ditch him, alas. Kokichi makes a yandere comment, and out we go.

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* "You don't have to pay for expensive plastic surgery anymore, Himiko!" Himiko also wanted a supermodel face. LOL.

* Miu randomly knows that Tsumugi's neck-nape is super-sensitive.

* Can you tear unbreakable toilet paper? Do avatars have to shit? Shuichi asking the real questions in some of his funniest internal monologue!

* "Kaito would be really excited about this snow." Maki got Kaito on her mind.

* Poor Miu seems really sad people don't like her world as much as she does!
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 12:25:48 PM
#238
Doorbell, and for once, we're expecting both Kaito and Maki. Which means it can't be them - it's Miu. Oh shit! But why is it just us? Should we collect Kaito and Tsundere-chan? We're not allowed to knock on their doors. We teleport to floor 4, and... Himiko is here. So it wasn't just us - it is everyone. Himiko's very distrustful of Miu. More Tenko stuff, yawn.

We're in. Miu commands us all to bow, but Kokichi immediately turns it back on her, and... she actually bows and WTF, the art shifts to straight-up manga style, and Miu has the most shameful look we've ever seen. Kokichi keeps negging her. Anyway, she's built the Matrix, as Tsugumi points out. (This is kinda obvious, but whatevs. Sometimes she has references I don't recognize, so I guess cultural representation pools are interesting like that.)

Opinion is split. Himiko's scared of the idea of virtual reality. Keebo wonders about consciousness and of course gets negged. Gonta actually seems to get it ("same dream, different people."). Kaito doesn't know if it's possible, but of course DR2 was all about this. Maki has an "if that's possible... never mind" moment, which means that this is triggering a flashback to when she played DR2 in the orphanage. Tsumugi notices the chairs. Kokichi is the least suspicious (naturally). And Miu... welp, Monokuma made the magic world. Not exactly a shocker!

Monotaro calling Keebo daddy, LOLLLL.

This was originally a simulator of the killing game. Miu claims she's sanitized it, though. Kokichi suggests there's a secret in it... which means this was his method. Yesss. Opinion has officially turned now.

Shuichi: Kokichi... are you planning something?
Kokichi: Ah-haha, of course not. Afte rKaito punched me, I became a changed man. So... relax and just trust me.

Bulletproof logic. Let's go.

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* Poo-ichi, Goo-ichi, or Spoo-ichi?
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 12:25:45 PM
#237
Before we head out, we chat up Tsumugi and Keebo. Tsumugi is bothered by the drama of the announcements, while Keebo is upset by the incest and even more upset when it's suggested that maybe it's different for robots.

Kaito just wants to talk today... about Maki. When Kaito's smalltal is awkawrd, we ask a FTE type of question about why she's an Ultimate Childgiver. Kids liked her at the orphanage. Her backstory is not particularly interesting. Kaito praises Maki for opening up (which is still nice even if it's not exciting) and Maki jokingly attributes it to the training, and everyone has a good time. Sweet little scene.

... And suddenly... we're... in the Game Room with Kokichi? And Monokuma? Kokichi's intending to use the card key to cause some chaos, and he shows off a new, more malicious face.

Monokuma Theater is quoting Jack Sparrow!

A new day, and Gonta is... still searching for Tinybug. Goddamn this dude is boring. Kaito wants to add to the training regimen. I do like him more now when he's less gung ho.

Miu's missing! I'm excited to see what she'll bring up. Kokichi also is. This is gonna be a fun morning! Himiko wants Keebo to self-destruct, since that's what makes robots useful. LOL.

FREE TIME

Looks like we can talk to Kokichi if we want, but we lack good stuff to give him. I wonder if we can gift Miu - who's in the computer room - the working chair. This actually works, and into her lab we go. This time, her inventions are... sunglasses that beam erotic videos, plus a recording of her moans. It's to make sure we're not "plugged up." Miu promises to tell us her secret - but not this time. What do I do with all these inventions, anyway?

FREE TIME

I was interested by the archmage cliffhanger, so hitting up Himiko. We give her a broom so she can fly. She's back to looking bored. And indeed, Shuichi understands us - we push immediately for the mage question (and correct ourselves away from "magician," too). Extreme Air Magic, Extreme Space Magic, and Extreme Meat Magic. Naturally we have to ask a question: "What if a fly gets in your teleportation?" LOL. Bringing up the master again... brings down the mood. Yet another cliffhanger, though I feel we've gotten plenty out of this tack now.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 12:06:34 PM
#236
chapter 1 was the roughest for me due to how much they talked since there were so many. maybe i've just become more inured to them though!
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 11:47:44 AM
#234
Realistically, I know I have gifts for Kaito, Himiko, and Tsumugi. So... yeah. I'll hit up Tsumugi with the sewing kit I guess.

Oh, this bedtime stories for kids is for Maki, isn't it. Let's go to her - she's up outside our lab, which makes sense. Anyway, she became a detective via a cult. It's a pretty bland conversation.

That takes us to night. It's training night. Kaito gets sick and has to go back inside, and Maki... asks us if we liked Kaede, and wonders if it's weird. Definitely got a crush on Kaito, which may mean Kaito's marked for death. Kaito returns but still doesn't train.

Bedtime.

We're headed to the dining hall, and Maki plays tsundere again. Who-does-Maki-like is more interesting than the main mystery of this game. Himiko is outside, so we hook her up with some belt. And... we accompany her. Guess this will be the equivalent of a FTE. Gonta's planning to fight Monokuma, which is very Sakura-reminiscent, especially if he dies this case.

Oh man. Kokichi is stating that he wants to win the Killing Game. He's rising on the dying list too. So now we've got Gonta, Kaito, and Kokichi as likely deaths, with Miu/Keebo in a lower tier and Maki/Himiko not really in the picture to die.

"Hah-hahaha! The only thing you should be reckless with is that tree trunk dick of yours!" Holy shit Himiko fucking caught me off guard, that was fantastic. But Miu has an invention plan - not for the moment, though.

We show at the dojo, and Gonta's here, too. His overwhelming stupid energy is intimidating, but it helps Himiko in the end I guess. It's a pretty cute pic. Himiko smiling is a nice image, though super-uncharacteristic.

FREE TIME

I guess it's gotta be Tsumugi this time. She's in... er, the library. We wind up giving her a sewing kit. Tsumugi asks about nighttime. We lie and say we do nothing (or more reasonably, we're diplomatic - I guess this dialogue is the same before Kaito invites us out.) I actually enjoy this discussion - Tsumugi doesn't like people who use cosplay as self-promotion... but it's something that causes her to be labeled an "elitist." This is definitely one of the better Tsumugi moments.

FREE TIME

I'm not a huge Himiko fan, but since we've got the equipment, I guess she's next in line. We hand over the Dreams Come True Spellbook. It's kinda funny since we've actually got the old Himiko due to never having spent time with her before. We're unable to persuade her to perform some Real Magic. Himiko had a master archmage - clear lead-in for a future talk. Might actually go with the next FTE to see what that's about!

Nighttime.

Monotaro's decline in faculties has been bizarre and honestly kind of sad to watch.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 11:11:22 AM
#233
We're forcibly taken to the dining hall. Kokichi's back! Couldn't figure out how to use the card key. Kokichi baits Kaito into using the light. Anyway, there was a meteor apocalypse, people rioting in the streets - standard DR background stuff. A Gofer Project apparently failed to save people. We ask ourself some of the Big Questions, but whatever, that part will never feel satisfying to me. Kokichi also agrees - we're still missing one more piece. He floats the afterlife theory that has of course crossed my mind already.

FREE TIME

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* "Now that you're so respectable, I'll you pet me if you want!" lolwut himiko

* "When the time comes, we'll use your body as a meatshield." Maki's not the best of the female characters, but she gets some good lines.

* Miu has a typical sexual reaction to the labs combining. The "..." responses afterward are great.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 11:11:19 AM
#232
"Hey there. Guess I don't have to introduce myself, huh?" That voice sounds famili-- YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS. His "this is how it is" comment blinks out - and another comment blinks out - and then one that suggests that this isn't our first "something" ... "You wanted this killing game."

There can't have been that many killing games that everyone is a survivor, right? How many "Ultimates" are there? Welp. Maybe Shuichi isn't a real Ultimate Detective anyway - after all, Kyoko already was a UD, right?

Okay, back to the game. Looks like everyone's down except Kaito and, of course, Kokichi. And Gonta is missing. And Himiko is being loud. Ugh, this was unnecessary character development.

"This world _ s __ine _ o _ic _ ne" or something? Maki says we should ignore it, which seems hilarious.

Kokichi is very appropriately excited for the new prizes. Guy's the only one who wants to advance the game! One of our three new MacGuffins is a MYSTERIOUS CARD KEY, aka the NEW MOTIVE. Kokichi is the only one who actually wants murders to happen - so he snatches the key and splits. Everyone seems really bothered by Kokichi having the card key, but if he's the only one with a motive, that actually seems like a good thing. DR logic about escaping the killing game is always pretty dicey.

"So long! Bearwell!" Now sounds so pitiful with only two voices.

Unsurprisingly, one exclamation point is on the fourth floor. Let's us this Octobrush on the Hanging Scroll. The animation is really cool to make it open.

Up the stairs we go, to the Ultimate Cosplayer Lab, wtih Tsugumi natch. We find a workshop, filming set, and a bunch of backdrops. Tsugumi also bartends for us, but "don't worry, it's all non-alcoholic, of course." It's kind of hilarious that they need to "worry" in an M-rated game. We also get a closeup of Tsugumi - Shuichi gets a little bit hot in the face, under the collar, and under the waist. As for Tsugumi herself - cosplaying alone doesn't seem fun. Gotta say - that was one of the more fun labs.

One more lab, then...

The Ultimate Detective Lab. It's Sherlock Holmes time, baby! Musix gets interesting - no wonder this was where Maki accompanied us to. Books upon books about murderers' tricks. Nice guidelines for murder. Some have illustrations, others pics, and attention is drawn to this. The chemicals shelf, on the other hand, feels way more interesting. Some poisons inflict certain slow deaths... is that what Kaito was afflicted with? Are there antidotes?

Urk, Kaito shows up. I mean, Shuichi ain't wrong - a detective doesn't prevent the murder he solves. Maki names us a possible target because of our skill. I like that we're demonstrably one of the smartest players this time, and that the cast recognizes it. Hajime was more of a willpower leader and Makoto somewhat of a loser. Kaito's got the flashlight, but we still got other places to check out.

The second (and final?) exclamation point is outside. Gonta is still interested in the "tiny bug." Maybe he'll die and we'll have to figure out what the tiny bug was? Long setup for it, though, since he's been talking about it all game. Miu is gloating about how it's quieter with Atua this, Atua that. Yeah, but I'd rather still have that than bugs. Keebo is running out of people to call robophobic. And Himiko's still looking at Tenko's lab.

Time to work on "Object With Indentation." Something weird happens with the Inventor's Lab, which almost certainly means it's the Robot lab - and hey, Shuichi deduces this too, before we we even go in. We can't actually investigate anything in here, but Miu and Keebo are both present. Keebo doesn't like this sort of ... "sci-fi technology."
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 10:32:45 AM
#231
3-4 start who wants some
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
TopicHow much $$$ do you have in the bank?
SeabassDebeste
10/15/18 10:31:41 AM
#9
liquid stocks/bonds in a non-tax-advantaged trading account vs real estate that takes a month to sell is a fairly massive distinction imo <_<

(edit) though agreed - neither is "money in the bank"
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/14/18 5:01:08 AM
#229
should be ready to start 3-4 before the next purge

looks like we're gonna survive the long night after all
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/13/18 11:12:12 AM
#228
monokubumpa
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
TopicSo, I am a father.
SeabassDebeste
10/13/18 3:58:28 AM
#50
that was sudden, but a long time coming - congrats and good luck!!!
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
TopicGuess my favorite songs of each year
SeabassDebeste
10/12/18 1:57:33 AM
#21
is the lead singer male
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TopicGuess my favorite songs of each year
SeabassDebeste
10/11/18 2:48:29 PM
#18
is the band/artist american?
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/11/18 3:49:43 AM
#226
thanks fellow students, this bumping will not go unrewarded (as long as it continues for 5-5 more days)

Zyxyz0 posted...
https://imgur.com/JLLrrX2

this is faaaantastic btw

LapisLazuli posted...
We've had two topics get through case 3 and absolutely no comment on Miu orgasming on the spot after Kokichi called her a cum dumpster.

i think you can only comment on miu's trademark reactions so many times, and this didn't feel like one of the cleverer/funnier ones, (though it may be fair to say it's a more memorable one, given that it happened at a trial and was in response to another char being just as vulgar as she is)
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TopicWhat is the most impressive contest performance of all time? In your opinion.
SeabassDebeste
10/08/18 10:42:16 AM
#19
cloud beating link

crono beating mario in 2004

magus beating ganondorf

heroic mario picking mega man to beat link and cloud in 2004
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TopicBest of the Trope Day 119: Heroic Sacrifice
SeabassDebeste
10/08/18 1:55:07 AM
#18
george mason (24)
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 5:50:05 PM
#217
MrSmartGuy posted...
On that note, I back-doored that segment of the trial. I wasn't even thinking of the hole in the floor, so I lied and claimed that Keebo can't actually see when he's the one using the flashlight function. The exchange it led to with Miu was some of my favorite dialogue in the entire game.

(marked under spoiler tags, in case you want to go back and see those by doing it yourself)
Shuichi: Didn't you notice the drawback of that function you added? It's so bright, Keebo can't see when it's on!

Miu: What?! There's no way a genius like me would make a rookie mistake like that!

Gonta: But you make mistakes a lot. A whole lot.

Miu: Hey, Shuichi! If you're gonna fuck me in front of everyone, at least buy me dinner first!

Then they begin questioning Keebo about it and he pleads the fifth, which turns everyone back against Shuichi instead.

Miu: I see, Shuichi. You're just trying to make a fool outta me, huh? Well, lemme put on some makeup, I wanna at least look pretty before you decide to fuck me!

And then Shuichi says "Ah, um, that's uhhh..." with such confusion in his voice and it makes me laugh every time I hear it.

I dig it! Dunno if I have the save point to go back, but I might check this out after I beat the game. (More interested in all the Free Times first though!)

Paratroopa1 posted...
Chapter 3 frustrated the hell out of me - there was so much wasted potential with the double murder. If I could rewrite DRV3 (and I wish I could) this is a change I would make - have Kiyo be Tenko's murderer, and figure that out, but then it really is someone else who killed Angie, and now you have to work together with a confirmed murderer and he doesn't even get executed. That gives purpose to Kiyo's insanity, he would be interesting to have to work with from then on because he's clearly really smart, and then it makes the scrum debate not a total waste of time, since you were literally arguing for the wrong side - it really WAS time to vote Kiyo, but, no. That should have meant that either Angie's killer was someone else (probably would have either had to be Tenko, or Angie's death was a suicide/accident, but that could have still worked just fine) and then Kiyo used the opportunity of the first murder to go insane and kill a second person without having any consequences for it. That would have been interesting as fuck and that's what I thought they were setting up.

DR will always have wasted potential. I definitely thought this tack would have been a cool one to take - Kiyo would have been this game's Nagito of sorts.
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 5:06:47 PM
#213
MrSmartGuy posted...
Gotta say, glad I wasn't the only one.

this was by far my biggest surprise. the actual method was far, far more intricate - far harder to deduce and far stupider to execute <_<

it's weird how we ruled out a murderer below the floor, too - after all, it's stated that you can use a candle to illuminate things underground, and that would not have been as easily visible as keebo's flashlight from the hole on the side!
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 4:51:02 PM
#210
benjamin3740 posted...
Funny that making the killings so complicated is what implicates each murderer. Just stab someone in a room, leave the knife in the body, and walk away, and they'll never be able to figure out who did it

Right. Another reason I wasn't a huge fan of 3-2. A lot of my favorite cases either lack major complications or have killers who aren't that concerned about concealing themselves. Or, the contrivances are slightly more involved.

Dark Young Link posted...
You also called who was going to die Case 3 too :P

... So I did!
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 4:31:44 PM
#207
Case 3 wound up being both more complex and more straightforward than it should've been. The intricacies that make it complex made it really easy to identify the killer, and unfortunately some of the cooler cinematic parts - those upside-down effigies - turned out to be very transparent contrivances that didn't even distract the characters.

It was obvious that Kiyo had the best means to commit the murder, but I guess I didn't want to believe it because I didn't understand the motive. On the other hand, the fact that his motive was "I'm a fucking lunatic" made it all the better. Taking him down wasn't exactly satisfying, but it was definitely hilarious to conceptualize that this dude plotted a murder, killed a girl to cover it up, and then said "eh, fuck it, why waste a murder plot?" And it's the one that he planned that got him caught, as there was pretty much zero evidence linking him to Angie's without implicating himself in Tenko's. It's utterly stupid, but I can excuse stupidity when it's due to insanity. We probably needed a weird-motive case like this at midway through the game.

Sadly, the cast has a high percentage of useless people now. Gonta, Kaito, Himiko, and Tsumugi are not gonna get it done - they're our dead weight types, and Himiko looks dangerously close to making endgame. Miu doesn't seem like an endgame type of character and she lacks depth, but she's fun and distinctive. Kokichi needs to survive the next case. It's hard not to love a tsundere, so Maki has that going for her. Kibo is definitely one of the more consistently entertaining guys, but if we lose any more good playmates for him in the cast.

Not going to play for around 9 days, so hopefully we can keep the topic alive 'til then.
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 4:24:46 PM
#206
We break down everyone's argument and then present the bloodstain. It's Angie's blood, of course.

I love Kokichi. He's been considering a different crime scene from the very beginning. It appears she went to the empty room for the candle's flame.

"This must be due to Atua's room! Or magic!" / "It's neither. I just picked one."

We prove that Angie was hurt twice, of course.

Oh hey, Kiyo's mask has come down and he's wearing lipstick and talking in a feminine voice in the second person. We accuse Kiyo a second time after a brief Rebuttal Showdown using the duct tape. I mean, it's kind of obvious (as Kokichi points out) - that's Kiyo's only plausible motive for killing Tenko.

Kinda funny that Miu is the most creeped out by Kiyo's multiple personalities.

The rhythm game is a pretty rough one. At least we get to Close the argument now.

Kiyo confesses... and his final dream was making 100 friends. What. Anyway, his motive was his love life. It's his sister, who's inside him. I feel like I called this. (checks) yup, post 22. "Kiyo has a sister that he's almost certainly fucking."

"I only kill girls who I think are worthy of being Sister's friends." This dude is TOTALLY nuts and it's fucking hilarious. This dude is also representative of why I can't introduce this game series to people I want to respect me, but whatever. Apparently he's already killed near a hundred dudes. "I figured I may as well kill someone else, too."

This is great. Haven't had a murder in psychotic cold blood since... I can't remember the last time this happened. Kokichi mentions people watching, and it strikes a chord within us again. Kiyo is boiled alive and then his ghost and his sister's ghosts are salted. Bizarre and hilarious. Monodam commits suicide, too, which was foreshadowed when he was being bullied earlier. Oops.

Some generic "ah we're depressed" stuff, but special attention paid to Himiko. Kokichi encourages Himiko to open up, so she starts crying. Then everyone starts. Yeah, whatevs. Down to nine now.

YESSSSS KAITO IS POISONED!!! Maybe he was just already terminally ill to begin with as his dialogue hints that he knows he was already doomed, but this is fantastic news. Though it'll almost certainly just be used for nonsense like motivation later.
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 3:33:31 PM
#205
i just died because i didn't hit W fast enough
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 3:29:32 PM
#204
Raka_Putra posted...
Oh, SD is playing DRV3?? Christmas comes early this year.

I give the people what they want!
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 3:29:23 PM
#203
Looks like Monodam the Robot is now the bullied. Hmm. Himiko simply has no energy left to defend herself. Presumably she's not the killer, and there will be some Lesson Learned To Be More Of A Person after this, similar to Maki. Bleh.

Tsumugi doesn't think Himiko is the culprit. Unclear if this is a sign of innocence, or her trying to appear innocent by not jumping on the weakling. It's fairly obvious that every room was trapped thanks to Kokichi's bleeding, so we agree, and Kiyo backs off.

This "motivate/demotivate the survivors" shit is the least fun part of the game, which is why the epilogue of 3-2 didn't do much for me. Right now we're focused on motivating Himiko, one of the least deserving of our time. Whatevs.

Anyway, no one stepped on the floorboard ahead of time, because Kiyo laid the salt circle. Does that make Kiyo Tenko's killer? Ruining his own seance? That would be so tragic. But we pick him nonetheless - the guy who insisted on putting the cloth.

Kiyo now starts asking for proof. He's amused - but the fact is, he doesn't need to be afraid... because the True Blackened isn't him. (If that's the case, and he didn't kill Angie, then he's 100% dead in 3-4).

We get a hangman's gambit to figure out what Kiyo used to guide his path. The answer: the magic circle itself? Huh? Maybe it was rigged. Keebo tries to use his camera, but Kokichi just talks right over him. I love the gag of Keebo being unable to get people's attention.

Miu apparently "didn't install the camera for this purpose." LOL. Evidently it was meant to inspect her shit, which actually is a pretty intelligent use for a robot.

This is kind of embarrassing on Kiyo's part. Dude drew every bit of attention to himself and then killed the person in the center. He clearly manipulated everything explicitly. It's a neat coverup, but since he performed it in front of everyone... bleh.

Oh cool. Split opinion time. I do like this one, lol.
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 2:07:00 PM
#201
Himiko and Gonta refuse to believe in Tenko's suicide. Kiyo's on board. Time to get into a split decision debate? Nope, non-stop seance.

Ah, we need to lie about it. We're gonna claim Tenko died instantly. Maki doesn't contradict us, despite that she's the very one proposing the theory. We do have a clue - the thud. So let's present it in the non-stop debate? We Agree with Himiko about the "hearing something fall."

It's not the sickle. Must have been heavier. It's the floorboard... and we wind up Agreeing with Kokichi about a stomp, with the cross section removed. So it was a seesaw... and the seesaw was in the cage itself? What.

Kiyo thinks that Himiko stomped it since she chose the room with the cut cross section - but this isn't the only room where this happened.

INTERMISSION
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 1:57:51 PM
#200
having trouble figuring out what to agree with here, about the source of the sound + floorboard coming loose
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 1:39:01 PM
#199
We name the four people present at Tencrotch's death. But Kokichi is most suspicious of Kiyo (Himiko was just a coinky-dink!) Kiyo deflects onto Himiko - and also points out that there's a hole in the floor. Good man - he's not entirely useless. But seriously - it's frustrating that everyone keeps saying that she was killed by someone in the room. The cage prevented killers from aboveground... Argh.

Kiyo's testimony looks super-badass, accusing Keebo. It takes us a game over, but we contradict the light under the floor theory - the hole in the ground would have shown that blinding light. "My vision is somewhat poor, and I only possess physical strength and intelligence!" LMAOOOOO.

Gonta thinks that the floorboard was displaced this way to let the attacker stab Gonta from underneath. Yesss.

We switch tacks. When was Tenko killed? We know that she wasn't killed when the cage was lifted - the sheet has a stain on it. Miu is very unhappy. Stupid minigame time! We prove that you can't stab through the cage since Tenko's head was on the stone.

Kaito and Maki suddenly come up with a bullshit theory about the culprit being in the cage. Maybe the culprit was inside the dog? Except... she's referring to Tenko herself. What. Kokichi jumps in to troll. TBH, I'm not really buying the suicide theory?
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 1:17:57 PM
#198
Himiko is really angry. Kiyo wants to propose a two-killer theory. Tsumugi is talking about the transfer student again. Tsk, tsk. Well, we'll disprove that first, as the Necronomicon wasn't burned. Quick break there. However, Monokuma claims that resurrection is possible.

Miu has a theory - Kiyo killed Angie. Where did this one come from?! Ah, the katana. Miu didn't suddenly get smart. Anyway, Tsumugi's account informs us that Angie wouldn't have opened the door for Kiyo.

"It can't be Himiko! I trust their friendship!" LMAO Kokichi.

We're down to Tsumugi, Gonta, and Keebo - looks like a mass panic debate. Hilariously, Kokichi himself claims that only SC members could have gotten in, when he can obviously pick a lock.

Neat, I just caught a joke. "Open, says a me." I like it!

"The culprit was me, all along... I thought that if I confessed, I could atone for my sins. And it helped! I feel soooo much better." This is the type of bullshit we need in our lives. Anyway, Kokichi is unable to explain the locking of the doors - the back door was locked last.

Mind mine! It takes a while, but we discover the samurai sword pretty far away. Looks like Psyche Taxi time. And apparently the effigy was... spun? Interesting. The driving is tedious, but the conclusion is cool!

Time to focus again on who entered the room, now that the locked room is solved. Kokichi is a suspect, too, but we want to focus on the SC members... and now he brings up Himiko again. As a valid suspect. LOL. Kokichi again wants to get the suspects to talk, just like last time. Suspect Rangers unite!

Himiko wants to talk about Angie's case, and suddenly Kokichi jumps on her for it - no talking about Tenko's case at first! When Himiko tries to interrupt, Kokichi gives her the fucking business - "You didn't give two shits about Tenko when she was alive." Kokichi MVP.

Kaito jumps in to talk about Tenko's death. Bleh. Maybe I just hate his design and voice. Shuichi does wonder, why was the conversation changed? And by whom?
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 12:47:07 PM
#197
Some thoughts before trial time.

"I'd want you to graduate from super-idiot level to at least Kaito-idiot level." Kokichi, you a real one.

"You don't need to worry about our dwindling numbers. Only dipshits have died so far. I know it's a tall order, but try to use your brain cells this time so I don't have to use mine!" Miu don't hold back either.

Tsumugi: "Atua... Please lend us your power."

SUSPECT LIST

* Kiyo is way too upset about his seance failing to be Tenko's killer, at least.

* It would be kinda neat if Gonta were the killer, but does he have the finesse or the small size needed to fit undre the floorboards for Tenko? The wound to Angie's forehead might be his doing if he really is the killer.

* Keebo would easily be able to crawl under the floorboards and he has the new flashlight for vision. I don't really want to think it's him yet due to his personality, though.

* Tsumugi kind of seems killerly this case - she has set off all sorts of red flags, and she seems one of the least likely to believe in Atua. (Keebo really wants to be human, Himiko is absurdly lazy, Tenko was lying, and Gonta's a moron.) She pointed the finger at Tenko, too.

* Kokichi was carrying out a legit investigation at the time of the trial expiring. He always has red flags, but doubtful.

* Himiko being the killer would be bizarre - wiping out the three Gimmick Girls all in one case would be DR-ish, and she did lift the cage. She also had easiest access to the floorboards... but she volunteered to be the spirit medium, so her motive is lacking. This is all on the Tenko murder, of course.

* Miu is slightly suspicious because she's spent so much time in the computer room at night - fairly easy access to the floor, and lots of opportunity to scope out the areas under the floorboards.

* Kaito seems rather unlikely since he's been missing all case. The killer isn't always prominent, but for someone who has a relatively major role now, doubt he goes down in a case where he's not even present.

* Maki is a little too helpful to be the killer IMO - the biggest red flag for her is the way she keeps denying that supernatural events are possible - it could be concealing worry about them.

* Ruling out Shuichi for sure this time!

MEANS

* The katana was used to fiddle with the rear lock of the locked room somehow - hence the gold flecks there. I feel like the rear door was the exit.

* Seems pretty clear the sickle was used from beneath the floorboards. The underground connection to the Side Room is obviously tied to the case - though it could have been used just to prepare the crime scene, or as the final entry point.
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 12:31:12 PM
#196
Keebo lights up the room from Miu's updates. It's also listed as a Truth Bullet, which is... pretty interesting.

Tsumugi whines about suspecting Tenko. You're no less suspicious now, woman. Himiko is shell-shocked. Gonta whines. Kiyo gives us a recap of the ceremony, including the "thunk." Maki calls the seance a sham. Miu's certain that someone in the room was the killer. Maki... finds the floorboards unstable. So yeah, guessing that the killer killed her from beneath somehow? Except that Tenko's wound is to the back of the neck. Maybe the killer was... in the dog statue?

After checking the wrecked salt circle, we move in. We note that Tenko made no sound, and that the murder weapon is missing. The iron cage, lifted by Himiko, has blood on it. And the Marker Stone that Himiko brought (seems relevant)... Unsurprisingly, the floorboard is loose.

We check out the thick cloth. Kiyo made a big deal of handling it himself, and there's a bloodstain, but there's no hole in the fabric. And the dog statue... we state it weighs about two girls.

Lastly, we check the candles and the hole in the corner. Something's been dropped there, so we come down and... well, someone could definitely have come from the adjacent room. We find a bloody sickle. The curve of this sickle could absolutely allow someone to kill from below. It's from Maki's lab, and we recall Angie really liked sickles. :(

"How did the culprit attack Angie?" Jesus Christ, Shuichi. You're LITERALLY underground.

A crosspiece is cut right below Tenko's body, seemingly intentionally to loosen the floorboard and provide an opportunity for murder. There's a giant pool of blood and also... a dried bloodstain. Was this the site of Angie's death?

Maki wants to turn her attention to survival - who killed Angie? That's the blackened. I like the way this girl thinks. But we want ot find out the truth for JUSTICE. Also for fun. So we're headed back to the art studio.

LMFAOOOOOO KOKICHI! "IT'S A LIE!!!" Evidently, he fell through a floorboard - a crosspiece was missing in an adjacent room, as well.

Class trial time. Let's go! This has been by far the best investigation sequence of the series - and short, too!

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* "C*** fu." Nice.

* "What do you know about girls? Have you even touched a woman besides your mother?" says Maki. I mean, she isn't wrong... even DR3, the girls weigh 115-120 pounds. Maki's also rolling into Miu's lane here. Sudden theory, Miu killed Tenko for stepping into her lane.
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 12:09:08 PM
#195
"Why am I acting like your partner? Well, it's fine... just... don't get used to it." Sure pal.

Indeed, the katana is missing from the lab, confirming that it came from the lab. Kokichi shows. He's here for the white sheet after already having taken the cage and statue. Kokichi decides to take a peek at the Caged Dog Village book. It's a pretty elaborate ritual consisting of the statue, corners, chanting, and utter darkness. Seems pretty likely Kiyo winds up dead. Maki refuses to attend, but we're dispatched.

LOL. Since only five can participate, Keebo's evicted. Toothpaste and orange juice. Poor little robot! "That's why we're apologizing!" says Kokichi. LOL. "Just don't get mad and start shooting electromagnetic waves at us." ... "I won't forget this betrayal, Shuichi!" I love it. We're now forced to memorize a song. LOL. Poor Keebo, obviously better suited for this. Tenko volunteers to be the spirit medium as a favor to Himiko. So maybe Tenko winds up dead instead?

"I shouldn't have lied... I'm way too weak for this. Kokichi so great. Anyway, the circle is made of salt, which seems like an important detail. We're covering Tenko's kneeling body, and Kiyo is personally covering Tenko with the sheet. Then we place a 175lb statue on top of the cage, which worries Tenko.

We go to the corners, with Himiko standing in the one with the hole, which seems pretty important. Indeed, Himiko is told not to move due to holes. We blow out the candles, and then... some shitty song... complete with a THUNK. Sounds like the cage didn't hold. Hopefully this isn't how Tenko dies - that would be boring as hell.

Kiyo calls out three times. No answer. Uh oh.

The dog statue remains, but I'm pretty sure that's a blood stain...! Yup! Himiko fucks up the salt circle. Wait, is that a hole underneath her?

The Monokubs are baffled about what to do in case of two blackened, lmao. However, it feels safe to assume that Angie's killer was also responsible for the second kill - in order to stop Tenko from saying something. Anyway, Monokuma finally returns. But Monokuma's answer: Tenko's killer "wasted a kill." This investigation will remain focused on Angie's death. Yesssss. I kind of suspect Maki for one of the two.

Stab wound is on the back of Tenko's neck. Aw yeah. Kaito freaks out at the "curse," ugh. He grabs Maki and gets a fistful. Investigation time.
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 11:48:45 AM
#193
Well, let's start investigating.

The back door is still locked, and it's got a fleck of gold on it (?) - the lock slides quite easily. Maki moves to the front, and we discuss Kokichi's picking of the cylinder lock. We're not sure how you can lock the front door from inside and still exit and we're unsure about the two types of locks. I'm gonna guess that the rear door was somehow locked from outside. Maki lampshades the locked-room mystery.

Miu has figured it out, and Maki just wants ot move on, which puts her out. The wax dolls are diversions, she says. She also wants to see what's up those wax dolls' skirts. Tsumugi now fingers Tenko, the student council traitor. She's been way more vocal this investigation, which has me extra-suspicious. Gonta... is just puzzled that anyone was outside after the SC had set the curfew.

Alright, how bout the body then. Next to it is the Necronomicon, the book of resurrection. We finally get to read it. Creating the effigy comes first, then burning the book itself, then sprinkling ashes onto the effigy. Shuichi wonders whether in this place, the rules for resurrection may actually work. Anyway, the gold-gilded katana is in Kaede's chest. Speculation on why this rusty thing was the murder weapon - we think perhaps it's because of the proximity to the crime scene; Maki thinks perhaps it's due to length. And now, Maki's hands are sticky with gold flakes - almost certainly relevant. We resolve to check out the Anthropologist Lab.

The ropes came from the warehouse. Alas that the warehouse wasn't blocked, but rather the exit. Why are the effigies upside down?

The pool of blood around Angie is dry. Her body has the forehead wound which is different from the killing wound, and there's bloody duct tape with Angie's hair on it. What's the dealio? Maki's more used to corpses.

(Suddenly it occurs to me that there are no cameras in this game despite the monitors. Are we really dead after all, and Monokuma can see us omnisciently?)

Maki gives some tsundere comment about how cool we are when investigating. Time to move on.
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Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 11:31:12 AM
#192
Why don't we put in a few more hours before we gotta leave for the week...

Well, let's get to it! Monokubs hand us the MF. Cause of death stabbing to the neck, laceration on forehead, time of death 2 AM.

Tsumugi mentions that transfer student could have killed her, which instantly makes her the most suspicious person, lmao. Maki becomes our investigative partner - clearly the best turn of events that could happen at this point.

Kiyo really, really wants to do a seance. It's been stated that channeling can only be performed by women. I'm now interested whether Kiyo really is a woman. Himiko's on board, along with Kokichi ("I was getting bored of investigating anyway!") Keebo being "dragged into" the seance is hilarious. Anyway, they plan to set it up in the Center Room.

Both Case 3s so far have involved double-murders - we're setting up for a weird scenario during investigation, which is almost unheard of - makes me wonder if we'll get a second murder during the seance.
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TopicChrono Trigger fans, how do you see the Black Omen?
SeabassDebeste
10/06/18 11:22:50 AM
#22
it looks clearly like a pyramid - it's shaped exactly like a mountain and appears to be drawn with that perspective

TotallyNotMI posted...
UF8 posted...
ninkendo posted...
I've been looking at it vertical my whole life

but now I see I was clearly mistaken

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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/05/18 10:56:08 PM
#187
breaking for the night

angie mostly worked out because she's surrounded by imbeciles. gonta, himiko, tenko, and tsugumi are dead weight characters; the game is just much more fun when they all subscribe to this bizarre cult for some reason

essentially she commoditized the worst remaining characters

even before that, in fairness, she was benefiting in comparison to those crappy characters surrounding her
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/05/18 10:37:39 PM
#179
After the last upsetting FT experience, I head for Kibo, for whom I'm more confident in my gift. He's in... Maki's lab. But he refuses to hang out with us, being in the SC now. Yikes. Maybe we'll try the library and Maki... though I have no idea what I have that might interest her. Maybe the Candy Cigarette? She did claim to be the Ultimate Child Caregiver. Oops. Nope. Wow, seriously, this game blows.

FREE TIME again.

Maybe we can give Miu the Machine Parts catalogue? She's back in her dorm. For all her sexual innuendo, Miu is obviously put off when we actually spend time with her. Fortunately, it works. She's pretty upset that we haven't planned any entertainment, but she insists on showing off some inventions. There's a "Hookup Counter." And then there's the "Auto-Puncher that Punches You for Telling Terrible Dirty Jokes," which immediately hits her. And finally, the underwear teleporter. We give her some positive reinforcement. "I FUCKIN' RULE!!!" One of the more satisfying FTEs for sure.

Night, and it's the silent Monokuma again. Despite curfew, we want to see Kaito. Maki and Kaito both come out of his room. Maki still wants to train despite Kaito's illness. "Do you wanna die?" she asks us, then pulls back since that's a "bad habit." We go off with her and let Kaito be.

Red eyes from Maki, fixated on the patrolling Tenko. Tenko has obviously not been truly brainwashed. She wants Maki to kill Angie? Not exactly, but she does want both our help and Maki's. It's off to the artist's lab. The door is locked. Maki pounds on it, but no good. Tenko's knock, however, is answered. Angie assumes we're here to be inducted into the cult.

WAX DOLLS BABY!!! We're unable to persuade Angie not to go through with the ritual and leave. As she cheerfully lets us go, she notes that Tenko has clearly betrayed the SC. Himiko shows as well, and she's still gonzo. Tenko tries to snap Himiko out of it, but no dice so far. Himiko does seem bummed, though.

Tenko goes to sleep. Maki speculates on how to stop the ritual and goes to sleep. Bedtime.

Still no morning announcement. Please tell me the body will be discovered! Maki's at our door. She's disgusted that we let the announcement be our alarm clock. Kaito also wants us to stop the resurrectio. Maki is now nicknamed "maki roll."

Ugh, Kaito's not gonna die, he was just scared. Tsk. Anyway, back to the artist's lab. Himiko states that Angie refuses to come out. I knew it was too good to be true NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Good timing for Kokichi... and the lock is picked, and the door opens.

Whyyy do good characters have to die first :(((

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* "I obviously can't ask Kokichi, Miu, or Kiyo." No one questions this. LOLLL.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/05/18 10:07:25 PM
#178
Nighttime. Or at least, we presume so - Monokuma is silent on screen. Our doorbell blows up. It's Maki. Kaito doesn't feel well and wants Maki and us to train together. There's an awkward silence that's so long that Maki talks to us. Shuichi's best moment - out-silenting Maki. Anyway, Maki recognizes that we are looking up to him kinda. Shuichi articulates the spontaneity of Kaito's spirit, and Maki finishes.

Suddenly it's time for Maki's mask to come off. Here comes the tsundere angst-dump. We share our story about inspiration and Maki's all "whatevs." Totes tsundere. Our final bit of voice-acting: "MAKI!" So much enthusiasm, lmao.

Back at the dorm... the Student Council is awake, and Angie wants for people to stop walking around at nighttime. "We need to remove all worry and doubt, so everyone can have a peaceful life here." It's creepy but still hilarious. Angie is just too funny.

Silence in the morning announcement, and we decide to head to the dining hall. Because we're social now. En route, Kokichi is excited to greet us, though we're not psyched to see him. Kokichi is really bummed about not having Kirumi's food anymore. TBH, I think he really does miss her as a person - he did have that chat with her.

Outside, Maki wonders if we're okay. She's bothered by the Student Council. Kiyo, very much still alive, wants us to help him organize his documents. And Miu... has still been working on the computer.

Finally we reach the dining hall. Kaito is upset that the student council has blocked off the manhole. Tsumugi now receives the Angie Hug. "Atua smiles upon your plain and simple service." YESSS. And Angie now breaks the Monokubs' new Flashback Light, as well. This is pretty radical. It's also painting a big target on Angie's back. :( Tenko seems like a possible murderer.

Angie also has a plan for the resurrection ritual: bring back someone, and then offer them as a sacrifice to the killing game if need be. Kaito freaks out even more. And the person to be resurrected: Rantaro. YESSS. The Student Council bolts. Kokichi wants to use the assassin to break the SC, but we shoot that down. Kaito's physical meltdown continues. I'm hopeful that he's been poisoned by a slow-acting agent and will be the next victim. He returns to his room.

FREE TIME. Probably the last for this case.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/05/18 9:50:24 PM
#177
We want to talk to Kiyo and have some artifacts, so let's go there. I'm concerned he'll be involved in the murder this time. The monkey's paw should please him. We ask about history, anthropology, and archaeology. This is actually a neat conversation and has very little to do with Kiyo's general creeptitude.

More FREE TIME.

Unsure what could go to Kokichi, but this Rice Toy Block seems promising. Kokichi is on the second floor, but on the way there we find ourselves in the Ultimate Pianist Lab. It's really pretty beautiful. Kokichi is in fact... hanging out in Kirumi's Ultimate Maid Lab. Kinda sad. He offers to teach us about brainwashing, but unfortunately, it seems like lies.

Oops. He doesn't like the Rice Toy Blocks.

AND NO FREE TIME EVENT IS TRIGGERED FUCK THIS SHIT.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/05/18 9:41:34 PM
#175
Okay, we check our inventory but find it lacking, so play a few games at the school store. Now equipped to hang with Angie. We locate her on the map in her own lab, then give her a sketchbook. Angie wants a sickle, used to beg for consolation. All the children become adults together through a physical ceremony. This sounds implicit, but then she talks about everyone consumating their vows along with a bride-and-groom, and then sharing the bride. Interesting island!

Meh. Time to train with Kaito. A big part of my lukewarm feeling on the game has been due to Kaito. He's brought Maki, and he keeps poking at her until she joins in. She obviously destroys us at pushups and leaves. Kaito brought Maki because he finds her weak.

After nighttime, we're summoned by the Monokubs to the gym. On the way, Kaito wants to get Maki, and Kiyo informs us he usually spends 90 minutes a morning getting ready. Maybe his secret is that he's a girl.

We also run into Tsumugi and Himiko. Evidently, Himiko was planning on a party with Angie. Tsumugi fills in the details. "Atua said he wanted to play in the pool." The obligatory swimsuit scene is on its way, I see.

Kibo is convinced we're about to find out another motive. But he "won't allow it" to continue. This should be amusing.

Evidently, Miu's been up all night working on the computer. Kibo seems jealous. Kokichi is persistent on bullying Maki. Angie, Himiko, and now Tsumugi all agree. Is Tsumugi the latest victim of the cult leader? LOVE IT.

Gonta busts in. Apparently we got trouble. But the Monokubs appear first. Angie is unafraid of the motive presented. Our boy Kibo agrees, because we now have Atua on our side. LOLWUT I LOVE IT.

"The motive is a transfer student!"

Er, it says we're allowed to resurrect someone. Gonna have to wait to see if this actually pans out, but between this and everyone being "already dead" ... eh... Kiyo loves it, though. I'm fairly worried about his longevity. Kiyo has no interest in gods, but much in their creators - humans.

Angie has something to say. Perhaps we'll receive "clones" of some sort? Gonta hops in with the letters in the courtyard. More have appeared, but I skip over it before I'm able to take a stab at what it means.

Well, this almost certainly won't work for real. I'm curious about how this will turn into a motive, though. Suddenly, weird cutscene as Angie hugs Gonta and sings the praises of his character - and then invites him to join student council.

That image of Angie ruling over everyone is spectacular. What a great leadership team, too. It's less of a burden if Atua makes the decision! Kaito is silent.

FREE TIME again.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/05/18 9:04:58 PM
#169
ah... it looks like i deleted half my writeup :(

well here's the second half

We head outside and note that more construction has been done. Himiko claims it's becoming more and more beautiful, like she is. Tenko is following Himiko like a groupie.

Heading to the courtyward's exclamation point. Himiko claims to have magicked her way out of the tank... but she's upset that her show wound up making people sad. Her regret is a great look juxtaposed with her former listlessness. Tenko will include even the passed degenerate males' well wishes in motivation.

Well, let's feed this ninja statue. Out comes a new area: a dojo. We observe a GIANT ROBOT and a scaffolding that looks pretty suspicious. There's also a pillar for balance and some nice tatami mats. Himiko's not into the dojo due to lack of mana, but Tenko's beyond psyched. We're concerned about her lack of sparring partner, so Tenko throws us. When Himiko doesn't feel like training, Tenko throws her, too. Funny little scene - not sure if this area will be plot-relevant.

Miu is outside with Kibo. Miu is making lots of sexual innuendos to Kibo, so I'm almost certain it has nothing to do with sex. Indeed, Miu pulls him into her Ultimate Inventor's Lab, so she just wants to examine his robotic features. We peek in. Miu has her boobs pushed up on Kibo, talking about his "throbbing" and his "needs," probably cleaning him. "OHHHHH." That said, when we close the door and "that's all," it suggests more, a little bit.

Ther'es an exclamation mark next to the 4F again, so we're back. It's the Monokuma doll, which walks away. This "painting" at the end of the hallway is really glass - so we use our hammer. Behind this is... a Computer Room. Something about making a new world. We leave the computer alone, but the treasure chest... yup. Flashback Light. Kokichi pops up, excited, and we run off to the dining hall.

Kaito and Maki still haven't returned. Kokichi disinvited Maki, LOL. Kibo's not good with computers... as Kokichi points out, Kibo's only talent is existing.

Okay. Kaito brought Maki with him. She's got her RBF with her, too. She doesn't want people to know because they'll fear/hate her and try to kill her. Yeah whatever, that doesn't make you sympathetic, Maki. You still kill people for money. She bounces.

Kokichi: "What are you thinking, trying to turn her against us?" LOLLL

The flashback shows a few voices having a funeral for everyone at the school. I guess we were presumed dead.

FREE TIME

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* Miu makes a boner joke, and then Tenko enthusiastically joins in. This results in an offended Miu telling Tenko to "Stay in your lane, bitch!" The little moments.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/05/18 8:00:28 PM
#168
I'm not like a superfan of the series or anything, but I do enjoy the games, especially DR2. A lot of the value of a game comes from being able to discuss it, for me - in this case, probably most of the value!

For reference, this is probably going to be the first game I've beaten in like six months. I drop even games that I think are better. Just because I'm critical doesn't mean I'm not liking it.

I do think the games are tedious and not particularly tightly executed. I tend to enjoy elegance. DR tends to go for excess in every dimension, which is... good at some points, bad at others.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
Topicdanganronpa v3 (spoilers as i go)
SeabassDebeste
10/05/18 7:03:36 PM
#164
Paratroopa1 posted...
That was a much more subdued reaction than mine to the reveal that kirumi was the prime minister of japan

I was pretty exhausted at that point. Just too many bad minigames. Everyone's reactions to this felt tedious, too.

Maybe it'll sink in and seem more palatable later.
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