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I can't see Cloud breaking 45% here. I feel like there has to be a solid gap (like 55-45) between Link and Samus/Mario, and then I look at 59% on Sephiroth vs. 60% on Alucard and while Alucard actually being close to Sephiroth would be awesome, that big of a Sephiroth drop should logically hurt Cloud too, right?

The only thing I have for 'oh Cloud will do okay' is it being Cloud, and Tifa/Sephiroth showed that 'being X character' isn't nearly enough. Hell, FREAKING MARIO isn't enough to bury Samus to the point where a rematch post-Smash Ultimate and possibly a Prime 4 trailer can't have the Samus win be entertained.
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I'm excited to see how Cloud does.

There's a huge range he could do.
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I think some people just wanted to believe Zelda didn't beat the tar out of Sonic (and Snake beating up Auron) because she was way way stronger than him.

...As it turns out, she's way way stronger than him.
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I realize this is a terrible idea, but look at these polls:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3636-when-creating-a-custom-game-character-which-gender-do-you
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6262-when-creating-a-custom-game-character-which-gender-do-you

Maybe people just...like women in their vidya games more now?
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WarThaNemesis2 posted...

Leon hit me up.

Let's say Cloud gets 47% on Ol' Linky.

What does Sephiroth need on Bowser for Samus = Link?

Depends on which matches you want to use, but I'll give Samus the most favorable one (the Bowser derived from the direct match between Cloud/Crono and the Seph derived through Samus/Tifa):

If Samus = Link, Sephy gets 50.16% on Bowser.

What's the least favorable Samus look like, for argument's sake? (also to give me a comical range to work with)
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....Why do I feel like I've opened Pandora's Box?
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Leon hit me up.

Let's say Cloud gets 47% on Ol' Linky.

What does Sephiroth need on Bowser for Samus = Link?
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I'd be more surprised by Cloud keeping Link under 55 than I would be Link breaking 60 after seeing how FF7's top non-Cloud have done against Samus/Mario.
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transience posted...

man, samus is going to kill snake

2006 redux

At this point Snake matching his 2006 number would be a big Samus collapse.
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Okay quick through Tifa/Sephiroth what does this Samus get on Mario.
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Link
Mario
Samus
Cloud
Zelda
Snake
Mega Man
Pikachu
Tifa

This feels about right, but it gets muddy after the top 3.
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It's worth pointing out that Freeman had Valve rallying for him so take those X-stats with a mountain of salt, and I think Blizzard rallied for Kerrigan.

We laughed at them for having their contests taken over by rallies.
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Chrono Trigger DS got outsold by the like 14th re-release of FFIV.

"Why doesn't this company remake very niche games?"
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quick what does crono get on crono
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pjbasis posted...

What does Tifa/Sephiroth predict here? A Samus win?

Samus with like 52% I think.
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Lopen posted...

Samus will win in like 10 days fear not

That Ultimate Ridley boost is gonna put Samus over the top.
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Crono did solid on Cloud, I think people just expected a lot more due to how terrible Sephiroth looked against Mario and Tifa.
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alternately replace Garrus with Simon
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It feels like all contest Zelda has started off hot, died off for a little bit, then started murdering.

This might get ugly for Sonic.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...

CaptainOfCrush posted...

Advokaiser posted...

You know what would be even more epic than Mario vs. Sonic?

Samus vs. Zelda.

It would certainly be the more interesting match. Mario/Sonic would have been a HUGE match before 2002-2005 when it looked like Sonic actually had the chops to make it epic. Once Mario rolled through the 2005 bracket, it was over (and the disparity between them has probably just grown over time). I disagree with it even as a historical clash of 90s icons because it will immediately fall flat once Mario stabilizes at the 63ish percent we all figure he'll get.

Zelda/Samus is actually very interesting. Hell, Zelda/Mario too.

Is it Zelda who is only mustering 56% on Sonic. Mario can get 60+ on SOnic most likely and probably Samus too.

I' sorry Zelda has been one of the sars of the tournament but lets not put her in some sort of Top 5 Elite status when she clearly isn't. She wouldn't have a chance against Mario or Samus.

Lets put her up against Snake again or Cloud. Or even Crono.

To be fair she could lose to Mario and Samus in a match that isn't really in doubt and still be Top 5.
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Samus, she come to town...?
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I fought the Mario on the planet NINTENDO.
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charmander6000 posted...

So did Solid Snake overperform on Auron with a Solid **** photo?

Or maybe Snake being in Smash Bros. allows Nintendo to (r)SFF him.

To be fair, if people aren't going to recognize Snake because of that pic, I'm 1000% sure Metal Gear has a higher playrate here than Record Keeper.

Plus Snake's most popular game is on the PS2 (don't pretend MGS3, where the character is called Snake, has no impact on Snake's popularity).
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okay so Snake is just a fraud, got it
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So Snake/Auron had shenanigans, which makes a lot of sense.
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oh well you made it fun for a moment samus
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If Samus manages to take the lead (or win) she's the star of the contest move over Zelda.
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Samus isn't dead yet...
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well hi zelda
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i'm rooting for samus so we can argue if Mario/Samus 2005 was just SFF instead of rSFF.
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There's no amount of adjusting that will make Ryu look 'right' because nothing's gonna change that Mario beat the snot out of Sephiroth and Ryu looked like a midcarder against Sephiroth.
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AxemRedRanger posted...

Ryu ~ Frog certainly shouldn't be a thing but no adjustment of Sephiroth based off Mario can wipe away that Ryu looked bad this contest thanks to barely outdoing Amaterasu against Sephiroth and barely outdoing Fox's 2010 result against Lloyd.

Also: Zelda and Snake are projected to double Sub-Zero and Jill, who are right next to each other? Umm.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3834-varia-division-round-3-samus-aran-vs-sub-zero
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3810-varia-division-round-2-samus-aran-vs-jill-valentine

Yeah 2018 Samus is so bonkers that 2010 Samus, who was really dang strong, looks like a joke compared to her.
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i don't think in kingdom hearts you murder your best friend, the president
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Lopen posted...

Alucard's percentage still ahead of Crono's

I want x-stats that have Alucard > Crono come on Cloud drive this guy into the ground

Bowser > Alucard > Crono > Bowser

Obviously Crono rSFFed Bowser
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transcience posted...

Alucard has a better first 5 vs Cloud than Crono

though I think Link might actually have the worst first 5 in the game now

Did you see Sephiroth's first 5 against Tifa.
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Whiskey_Nick posted...

Kind words! Intelligent arguing! Pictures of Spiderman!

https://imgur.com/tWmsUWD
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Chaos for CBXI
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Snake's only win over a Tetris Piece was with a sprite.

Definitive proof Sprite Snake is the strongest Snake imho.
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If Kleenex gets this right via not being able to see the results I'll laugh so hard.

....I hope he sent in a pick for Samus/Tifa II >_>
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You still have a lot of confidence in Snake beating Samus or Sonic beating Zelda?
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SlugSh0t posted...

transcience posted...

yeah, this is probably the consensus right now of the guys still alive

Link
Mario/Samus
Cloud/Zelda/Snake
Pikachu/Mega Man
Crono/Tifa
Sonic/Bowser

why do you think mm is so high? id probably take crono > MM and sonic > tifa. MM > sonic slightly though.

Probably because Alucard being close to Pikachu feels very off.
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transcience posted...

you know, itd be hilarious if Charizard and Mewtwo end up looking totally legit instead of disappointing. Pokmon, man. maybe Mega Man is stronger than we think!

Good News: Mega Man is #5.

Bad News: He faces #4 twice.
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