Lurker > KanzarisKelshen

FD I didn't say much because I felt neutral on the whole thing

Push comes to shove I would've lynched DYL over scare because he pinged as scummy and scare was an enigma

I dont give too much of a damn about replaces and I dont meta them. If sonebody replaces out I assume its for RL reasons. It's just not worth the headache of trying to meta them.
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If sora does it this contest is partly redeemed

c'mon, keep that votemotion going boy!
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Obellisk posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Obellisk posted...

What is an unusually competent scum team "move"

Dunking Chris asap if he didn't kill himself

stupid scum would softball and get bodied for it, for instance

What do you mean by softball?

"Oh we can let chris live a day, we can get him tomorrow"

I've seen this a couple times before

it goes poorly every single time
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Obellisk posted...

What is an unusually competent scum team "move"

Dunking Chris asap if he didn't kill himself

stupid scum would softball and get bodied for it, for instance
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Wtf? How would I not qualify as an experienced player? This is such a half assed assessment of the players he listed.

I see your point but I didn't even blink when I first read it. From Kanz's perspective that doesn't surprise me

How much have you two played together?

Maybe 1 or 2 games so I guess I can see why he wouldn't realize I was experienced.

It's less about experience in terms of sheer games played and more like...player level, I guess

I have a lot of games played but I consider myself a noob compared to people like Dels, MI, Puns or Han

they would kick my ass in any mafia game consistently and thus I assume that if a scumteam is being unusually competent, then at least one player on that level has to be making moves
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turbopuns2 posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

like if you're scum there's no reason to force overtime

it's trying to be too cute

You are talking to a man who listed his entire scum team minus himself in his first post of the game, in one of the most hyped player lists in like 5 years at the time

And got away with it

...Point

I can't allow biases to blind me, admittedly
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turbopuns2 posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

puns saved my life and his actions don't make a lot of sense as scum unless he's super gambling

To be fair

I like to super gamble as scum

And also

If you're indeed town, and I'm scum, I'd kill scare 100% of the time as opposed to no lynching...

The biggest question mark if I'm scum is me forcing the tiebreaker in the first place

That's what I mean

like if you're scum there's no reason to force overtime

it's trying to be too cute, especially since I was KO'd so there was gonna be no rolefishing

And I respect b8 vets to not get cute randomly unless they're like, idk, ChaosTony or something
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Top 3 scumlist ATM:

Neab
God
FD

This feels...right. I think there's gotta be at least one experienced scum among the scumlords and FD qualifies - but possibly another one too. Not sure who though. Corrik pings town (something I've literally never felt about him before, so I'm trusting myself here), puns saved my life and his actions don't make a lot of sense as scum unless he's super gambling

So...Han? Maybe? Possible. I need to think about it. I would be OK with a glad on either one of Neab or God ATM. Feels like a solid usage of the power.
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Neablis posted...

Thankfully its d2 and can reevaluate as I go so your point?

That it's a hell of a walkback and some weak ass shit son

If you commit to your reads COMMIT to your reads

don't vote based on some weak-ass gutfeels and call it PoE
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...That's it? Didn't you have the game PoE'd? Is that your stake-your-life-on-it scumteam? DYL God Doop Death?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Have FD or Doopliss done anything of note today?

nope

they're on notice, FD especially, if they don't up their posting game soon

Honestly tempted to drop a vote on him but Neab is looking super fishy and I want him to do something useful and convince us he's not scum or die
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So neablis when are we getting those scum suspects you promised

surely your work does not last 12 hours, I'm still waiting
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Obellisk posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Obellisk posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

htaeD posted...

Not seeing the pro town aspects of it over the pro scum aspects of it

Its pretty useless, aside from learning that Doop is indeed what he says he is and using that to perhaps make more balancing guesses about role setups.

No, glad is a really powerful role

Used right, it forces a situation where town only has a 50% chance of missing the scum, and realistically more than that if the gladiator has done his homework. It heavily varies based on the quality of the player at the wheel, but (DR1 spoilers) the final case is effectively an sk vs town glad where the townie ends up winning the challenge and the game with it. Gives a good idea of its value if used properly.

Except if it's town vs. Town.

Or if it's scum gladiator.

I don't see it as powerful.

I see it as a potebtial free pass for scum.

We will agree to disagree here.

Scum glad is a 50 50.

Its strong but high risk

If you cant see how you need to play more mafia

Are you saying a scum gladiator is dumb to scum gladiate so it's got to be town gladiator?

I feel like you are working with a lot of certainties

No, what I'm saying is scum glad is always risky

THE optimal strat for scum is to idle if allowed to. Shit that raises your profile is very dangerous unless you're superlative scum because it makes people look at your posts. Hence, scum glad is always a gamble. If it works yay, but if it doesn't that's a problem.
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htaeD posted...

Kanz did you just assume the glad has to be town and then correct yourself?

Yes to the former, no to the latter

If doop is scum glad I relish it because it means the scum is down a role tbqh - I wouldn't want Doop to use it and put himself on the spotlight, the chance of cracking is too high

But town glad is a risk for the town because the chances of a misfire are real. We want doop to have crystalline evidence on who's scum before he challenges
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Obellisk posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

htaeD posted...

Not seeing the pro town aspects of it over the pro scum aspects of it

Its pretty useless, aside from learning that Doop is indeed what he says he is and using that to perhaps make more balancing guesses about role setups.

No, glad is a really powerful role

Used right, it forces a situation where town only has a 50% chance of missing the scum, and realistically more than that if the gladiator has done his homework. It heavily varies based on the quality of the player at the wheel, but (DR1 spoilers) the final case is effectively an sk vs town glad where the townie ends up winning the challenge and the game with it. Gives a good idea of its value if used properly.

Except if it's town vs. Town.

Or if it's scum gladiator.

I don't see it as powerful.

I see it as a potebtial free pass for scum.

We will agree to disagree here.

Scum glad is a 50 50.

Its strong but high risk

If you cant see how you need to play more mafia
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htaeD posted...

Erh... 50 %??
That math seems entirely wrong.

If the glad picks a scum there's a 50% chance of lynching scum and lynching town. You use glad when you're 300% sure that somebody is scum and they kerp slipping town's grasp. Obviously it's a role that scales hard with player skill.
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htaeD posted...

Not seeing the pro town aspects of it over the pro scum aspects of it

Its pretty useless, aside from learning that Doop is indeed what he says he is and using that to perhaps make more balancing guesses about role setups.

No, glad is a really powerful role

Used right, it forces a situation where town only has a 50% chance of missing the scum, and realistically more than that if the gladiator has done his homework. It heavily varies based on the quality of the player at the wheel, but (DR1 spoilers) the final case is effectively an sk vs town glad where the townie ends up winning the challenge and the game with it. Gives a good idea of its value if used properly.
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Corrik looking strikingly town to me with that callout

Neablis has looked absolutely awful and with Sheep making an (at least) coherent argument for why he went on me, I think we have one (if not two) scum caught between him and God

##Unvote
##Vote: Neablis

Since you have the town so well read, who are your top 3 suspects for scum and why? Give me some quotes to read while we're at it, I don't want vague tummyfeels, I want hard cites.
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I can't say that Kanz is absolutely town based on the OT and there not being an instant hammer. Although I know that's bitten scum in the ass a few times as of late. Why was Kanz being special ed what was the driving force?

The driving force is that scum both knew I couldn't not defend myself and knew it was me

Ask any board 8 vet, ANY VET, and they will tell you there is a long history of the board specialing on me on day 1. If I make it past it I usually last several days, but I have a huge day 1 lynch mortality rate. It makes me think that if DYL got bailed out, then it's because an experienced scum was commanding his badniks to go onto me for what was an easy save (that almost succeeded, no less - and that's if we count getting scare, who's good town, outta the way as a fail)

I need to make a good player shortlist and see what they wrote during d1. Get a solid idea of what they've done for the town thus far.
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So you lynched someone

who was a question mark

who was clearly so not there they did not show up to defend themselves

who has a known history, one you have experience with, of always, always being around at EoD

And this sat well with you? Nah man, I give you a bit more credit than this as town, c'mon now

Like seriously tell me how you can defend this

Also nice to know Kanz can't come in and save himself lol.

This isn't lynching a lurker

this is straight up killing someone who can't defend himself and leaving your vote on them because ???????
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

God is my #1 lynch target rn and it'd take a lot to move me off him

this said, for now I want to check on lynch target #2

##Unvote
##Vote: Sheep

Come out and play, I want to hear why you started a train on someone who could not defend themselves.

please share your thoughts instead of saying something and doing something that is in direct contradiction to what you said.

My thoughts were that your posts during last night's special were absolute garbage and I respect you to play better than to literally fucking say 'oh it's a pity Kan isn't here to defend himself' as you tried to murder me as town

Because as town you want people to show how they're innocent so you can lynch scum, not hit a fucking inactive on d1 who is explicitly bedridden and sick

There's a limit to how much badness you can give a pass to, and you and sheep reek of bad scum trying to get free lynches, not bad town
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God is my #1 lynch target rn and it'd take a lot to move me off him

this said, for now I want to check on lynch target #2

##Unvote
##Vote: Sheep

Come out and play, I want to hear why you started a train on someone who could not defend themselves.
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You may not understand it. Doesn't matter. I want to hear what you think about yesterday. Why did you vote me? Why do you think we had no kills last night? Who do you think came off looking scummiest at end of day?
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turbopuns2 posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

like I'm surprised you even voted for me at all puns, that was a textbook 'the scum is jonesing for an easy kill' train

Maybe I'm scum.

Honestly I'm considering it

There's a lot about yesterday that doesn't track.

Reposting EoD votals here so I can work on em

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[5] Scare - (FD), (Sheep), (Obellisk), Doopliss, (Sheep), Corrik, DYL, Johnbobb, Death, (Puns)
[4] Kanz - Neab, Scare, Sheep, IGCD, (Puns)
[2] DYL - Han, (Scare), (Sheep), Obellisk, (IGCD), (Puns)
[1] Obellisk - FD, (Scare)
[1] Johnbobb - Kanz, (Sheep)
[0] Doopliss - (IGCD), (Sheep)
[0] Sheep - (Puns), (DYL)
[0] Han - (Corrik), (DYL), (Doopliss), (Obellisk)
[0] Puns - (Chris), (Corrik), (Han)
[0] Corrik - (Scare), (Sheep), (Scare)
[0] Chris - (Scare)
[0] FD - (Puns), (Johnbobb), (Obellisk)

So we know Scare's town. This means Neab, Sheep, God, and to a lesser extent you are suspicious And...WDYK, Sheep and God were on DYL before too. Looks like we have two interesting targets to chase here.

##Unvote
##Vote: IGCD

Hey God, come talk to me. Gimme your take on yesterday.
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turbopuns2 posted...

It's very interesting to note how that tiebreaker went basically the full length without getting broken.

Makes me think scum didn't care who died. Thus Kanz likely town.

This much is obvious just from the fact people tunnelled someone who was sick and absent

The mafia always, always wants to kill people who can't defend themselves and people fell right for their trap

like I'm surprised you even voted for me at all puns, that was a textbook 'the scum is jonesing for an easy kill' train
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Obellisk posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

Not bad for day 1, with a tiebreaker and just a vanilla mislynched we didn't cost ourselves much

I don't like this.

We lost Chris. And any mislynch is bad when we don't know what we are up against.

No, I think we do. I'm doing a review pass on my novel right now but once I'm done I will go over what we learned from day 1. Puns saved me from literally the stupidest board 8 special in the board's history, I'm gonna make it worth his while.
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Hot take: Two of the big lynches day 1 were shit and we need to look at the people tha tdrove them. Debating if the third was too.

##Vote: DYL

Putting the vote here for now because I don't want him escaping suspicion, note how suddenly someone else was targeted when it looked like DYL was gonna get lynched for reals.
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LeonhartFour posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

This match is less stats and more SFF.

And I have a hard time wrapping my head over people liking MH more than Wario. Unless the WarioWare hate is bigger than I thought.

man who hates WarioWare

I like warioware but still wish we got more silly wario land games where wario piledrives dinosaurs, does that count?
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2010 lightning beating chun wouldn't be a surprise

2013 lightning doing so, on the other hand

This is definitely interesting to think about. I think Lightning does beat Chun but it's close - which intuitively favors Dante, but he's never come through when it counted so it'd be a big, big deal if he defeated Ganondorf. Can you imagine if DK beat Vivi though? A Dante/DK final would be the craziest shit.
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Lopen posted...

Hey Dante looks stronger than ever

Clearly DMC5 hype is the only thing that can weather Smash hype

If we assume constant Lightning from 2013, what do the Xstats say for Dante/Ganon and Dante/Vivi?
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did you guys seriously try to flip onto someone who was too sick and bedridden to post and defend themselves? what in the actual fuck board 8

Puns I owe you a fuckin life debt, lets clean the scum up tomorrow
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Obellisk posted...

And that's not a vote for dyl my scum mate. It's a vote for dyl scum.

Why would you be thinking about bussing a scummate this early

why would you even imply it

This post raises red flags for me
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htaeD posted...

But first I want to look at the immediate fallout of the chris death.

And I gotta say, I dont like how casual Han and Kanz reacted to it.
DYL goes into facts immediately, which is annoyingly neutral.
John at least seems confused enough to think Chris did get killed by his own power. FD and Sbell as well, though they came in later dilluting the effect.
Neablis doesnt even mention it at all in his first post... Tad unexpected.

Honestly I didn't really know how to react. I still don't. It's annoying because I can't shake off the feeling Ben fucked up the role PM and meant to say 'during the day you will receive information' and not night, yet I also can't deny the possibility of a scumkill (or the world's stupidest townkill if Harris was the Ultimate Gunslinger and shot Chris, which is an option). It feels like a useless pit of speculation right now and I don't want to think about it until I have more data.
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Kanz says he is sick here so I want to give him slack, but I have also been calling him scum and I have said numerous times Pirate had nothing to do with chris

If so, I missed it. I recalled that during Sbell's questioning session you kind of avoided the topic

my apologies

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Read the previous page.

Hmm. Is changing his story something we can really attribute to being scum though? Incoherence is an emotional trait, not necessarily something that indicates being scum (unless you're lying about actions - in that case yes you probably are antitown). I have no read on DYL yet (I blame the fact I spent half the day mostly dying for this), but I don't see how this damn him instead of just making him bad town.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

It's not that lazy Corrik is Town, it's that bad Corrik is Town. Hes definitely more brash and aggressive usually when he is Town, but I just respect his Scumplay miles beyond his Townplay.

Ah

That I can actually see

So if you're liking Corrik now, who do you think is a good lynch target?
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Ugh, sorry I disappeared guys

I woke up sick today and it's taken forever to gather the strength to get back up and out of bed

This inactivity feels partly like my fault, I should've been around more

At least I'm glad we're mostly done with that dumb Scare chase, the questions possed just made no sense to me - really the only thing we took out of it is he didn't deny Harris had something to do with it, but that's not a big tell of anything considering he could just as easily be town as antitown

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On a different note, Han, where are you getting that lazy Corrik is town? He's always played more subdued when he's scum in my experience.
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Johnbobb posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Johnbobb posted...

I'm really curious who Chris targeted

Han I like. Maybe because he's butting heads with DYL though idk

He targeted FD John

Unless I missed another instance of bold, that's it

So FD, whatchu got to say in your defense?

wait look at Chris' flavor again

using the ## isn't how he adds a town player, it's some weird LIST OF CONFIRMED TOWN post

and he wouldn't find out if he was right until night

unless something was done wrong it seems like he was lying about both the target and the result

Pretty sure the mod PM is wrong because he's marked as 'day hider'

so, y'know, he'd die instantly during day.
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Johnbobb posted...

I'm really curious who Chris targeted

Han I like. Maybe because he's butting heads with DYL though idk

He targeted FD John

Unless I missed another instance of bold, that's it

So FD, whatchu got to say in your defense?
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well rip

that sure was a thing alright
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Dark Young Link posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Then you have a life

My computer bricked earlier and if work had not been super sedate today I wouldn't have been able to post until around this hour. This is like the worst reason to suspect someone ever when so little time has passed.

Kanz, two things.

1. My reason for thinking Han is scum is not sorely due to him being away for so long.

2. Consider how Han entered the game.

He didn't come here and say "Hey, sorry I've been away. I'm catching up now."

No, instead he went "Hey, I only read the 1st page but I want to vote up this player."

The game has two pages, and you're telling me you're going to instant vote someone on page 1 when you have no idea how 95% of the game went?

And instead of actually going back, and giving your thoughts about what happened in a way that shows you're interested in the game(Which more than likely will convince anyone who suspects you due to your lack of activity to feel better about you).... you counter vote someone and give next to zero explanation as to why you think someone is town/scum.

Han being away for so long is suspicions, but his reaction to being pressured is what makes him scum in my eyes. That isn't a town mentality.

Han always does this though. Like...it's not a towntell or scumtell, when he is away and catches up he posts from the hip and then has a summary of his thoughts at the end after he's done reading.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Neablis posted...

People have lives

Yes they do.

Showing up here once before nearly a day passes shouldn't be too demanding. If you sign up for the game of mafia, you are agreeing to put aside some time to play a game of mafia. If it takes you nearly a day to show up, and you can't be fucked to put in any effort into the game...

Then you have a life

My computer bricked earlier and if work had not been super sedate today I wouldn't have been able to post until around this hour. This is like the worst reason to suspect someone ever when so little time has passed.
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Y'know that's legit a bad look on DYL but I'm not sure if it's because he's bad or he's scum. Hmmmmmm.
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Sheep007 posted...

Nah, I think it's basically nothing, on both sides. Doesn't tell me much about DYL nor does it make me feel good or bad on John. You?

Don't super like it. I haven't played with John much before but I'm not enjoying how he's trying to force a claim before there's even votes piled up. Feels fishy.

##Vote: John

In fact, let's put this to the test. John, if you had to pick one person to gamble Chris' life on besides yourself, who would you choose? If you had to lynch someone in the next five minutes, who would it be?
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Corrik posted...

Jester is banned, yes. I think Puns is trying to make it look like he wants Chris to scan him so that Chris doesn't.

Why wouldnt he tho

If hes scum its a net positive trade cuz he gets rid of a very strong town voice

If he isnt its a net positive cuz he confirms himself

Seems win-win to me
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Sheep007 posted...

Johnbobb posted...

Link:
ok so Link throws me off at the beginning. He's one of the first people in just after 10 when the day started, made an offhand comment, and didn't say anything else for almost four hours later. Then nothing again for hours later. Then Harris asks what I think of him. The fuck? He had two posts and neither was anything

This was John's main bit against DYL, iirc

What do you think of it sheep? Does it look substantial to you?
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Johnbobb posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

Johnbobb posted...

dyl just seems sketchy

Why?

Actually let me follow that up.

What are your current reads, and why?

like look on the last page

I'm at work, summarize it for me pls

I wanna hear a concise case here
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Johnbobb posted...

hey dyl you should claim

John what is this claim obsession fo yours

is there something you're not telling us?
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Anagram posted...

I never got the impression that people who like roguelikes and people who like phone games had any overlap. And it's set during a timeskip, so it's supposed to be canon? But I clearly see Diablo in the trailer, who's resurrected during the events of D3, and the characters are clearly the D3 characters, who were all newbie adventurers at the start.

lol trying to make sense of blizzard continuity

it doesn't exist ana, the stories literally don't matter
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That's a pretty good note death

Scum corrik absolutely is much more chill than town Corrik

Gonna have to keep an eye on them because that's usually a strong tell on him
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OK, that makes sense

What do you think about Corrik puns? What's your take on him?
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