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Mozzezz posted...

I guess that's sort of true, but before that point, what you learn of their back history, they seemed to be the type of people who just wanted to live their everyday lives, especially Cloud, who seemed to just want to do his job in Soldier and was pushed to be part of the eco-terrorist group (also btw this game was made before "terrorists" were really a thing, so I don't think many players really viewed them as bad guys at all, just people fighting a corrupt system, or maybe Captain Planet planeteers lol. You only really start to get a glimpse of this line of thinking in Crisis Core (which I'm working on but haven't fully completed yet)).

Cloud is the exact opposite of what you're describing. SOLDIER isn't exactly a "normal job" and IIRC you learn pretty early on that Cloud explicitly tried to join to become a hero. It's just that things didnt go so well and he's the cynical loner merc at the start of the game. The trope of "small town hero" gets subverted initially but then the game goes ahead and fulfills it anyways.

I think Cid is the only party member in 7 that legitimately wanted to just do his job and be left the fuck alone.
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It's funny the same way everything else in Jojo is funny: dumb shit happens for basically no reason and is wildly entertaining
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Odyssey is a more focused and tighter experience than Breath of the Wild, so I'd say play that one first. BotW is a massive meandering timesink game, so if you want to actually play anything else save it for later. Or just play Zelda until you get sick of wandering around a mostly empty map and go bum rush the endgame.

I just hope you aren't a completionist because you're looking at hundreds of hours if you are.
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Oh, Ellis is usually a good time for me. I'll dig into this over the weekend when I'll have time to absorb 12 issues.
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PrinceKaro posted...

"To infinity.. and your mom!"

im glad we had to ignore TS3's perfect ending so we could have jokes of this caliber

i mean, granted this isnt an actual scene from the movie but this is low-tier dreamworks level trash

That whole teaser is a G-rated parody of a Key and Peele sketch, which is why the jokes might come across as a little stilted. They aren't the actual joke.
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Haven't played all of these but Bryan Dechart definitely deserves the performance award. Conner is the best part of Detroit by far.
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HaRRicH posted...

I think ya'll who are calling this a demo are being unnecessarily negative

It's being called a demo because Toby himself called it that and he doesn't know how he is going to finish the game yet. This is all he has done.

Edit: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn3p9

Toby's dev write up again for anyone who missed it initially
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maybe if she didn't get norted she would have won
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That was also my first reaction when I saw they tweeted him. Would probably be the best thing announced at E3 2019 if it happened.
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XIII_rocks posted...

When UT first came out people were making all sorts of weird as fuck posts about the game as if it's anything other than just that, a videogame. An odd, off-putting overprotectiveness. The last post is also an example of that

Not being overprotective. Just pointing out the weird discrepancy in people wanting to play the Genocide route but also wanting the "moral victory" (for lack of a better term) of not doing so. In particular around release a lot of people were getting rid of the flag that your save files get marked with after you complete a Genocide route.

I basically agree with you, but trying to "win" the moral high ground against the game feels like it's missing the point the narrative makes. Or maybe it isn't weird and is just an interesting emergent property of the story.
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Maybe not the exact trope, but it's very similar to the "I must become a villain to make the hero stronger!" thing. Zoom from Flash is the most notable that comes to mind.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Personally I never did Genocide. Flowey's parting words really hit home.

I did however use a save editor to make a separate file so I could skip to the Undyne and Sans fights, because Sans was right when he said I was a bit of a freak. I Quit before dealing the final blows though!!

Arguably more disrespectful to the game than normal Genocide tbqh
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TotallyNotMI posted...

Kremlin was my favorite character and I liked the idea that he was killing to try to force him into being a hero again. Was disappointed that the killer was... just some kid who wanted his name to be a legend.

That villain motivation is kinda a trope for comics so I was actually pleasantly surprised Kremlin subverted it!
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iiicon posted...

as far as well-produced final fantasy games from square, we're probably gonna see the next expansion for ff14 next week!

14 is an incredible success story, but it's also pretty clear that they've been stuck in a rut creatively for this current expansion. They've been on the same gameplay loop at least since 3.0. Their big new thing for 4.0 took forever to release and was pretty negatively received.

But the plot is still going strong. In terms of the narrative experience and what you expect out of a FF game, it's probably the best they've done since X.
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Finished the Ex Machina issues last night.

The irony of a white writer making liberal use of the n-word to critique its frivolous use in artistic media is not lost on me. But is that itself an irresponsible use? Really makes you think.

I think the concept is interesting and well-interesting, but it doesn't do much for me as a standalone arc. It absolutely makes me want more, but unfortunately I already have 3 higher-priority Vaughn series in my backlog. Maybe one day!
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Toby just has this weird knack for making old school RPG battle themes that feel like they could have been in a game you played once.

But also, Spider Dance is a remix of the Napstablook/Dummy fight music.
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nah fuck that
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You don't need to know anything going in. Play it how you want. Kill stuff if you want to.
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Yeah I also liked the battle system a lot more when Susie was a berserker. But the narrative importance of her being controllable and the dialogue options you can get are also really good, so you need to continuously switch it up. I like foolmo's suggestion, but maybe it can be possible to keep altering the characters' battle strategies based on the story without it feeling forced.

The concept of having to plan around your own party opposing the main strategy is really interesting. I had a thought that maybe Ralsei could end up as a "berserker." I dont think that's too much of a stretch - imagine a chapter where the "correct" thing to do is defeat enemies normally (they dont die in this game, right?), but Ralsei keeps trying to spare them or use your TP by healing. Also the fact that the boss of Chapter 1 is a legitimately unsympathetic villain who won't back down no matter what makes me think Toby might be playing around with the black and white morality. In Undertale that was saved for Asgore, who was still sympathetic. Probably overthinking this, but I have absolutely no clue how dark Toby is willing to get without a separate Genocide route.

Also I'm still not clear on how "Tired" works. It seems to be either a threshold at low HP, or a dialogue puzzle, but not both. If they instead let it stack so that Suzie could contribute to Tiredness with incremental damage, it would at least be a way for her to contribute besides spamming defend for meter.
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davidponte posted...

Was this Superman/Batman its own 6 issue limited series made to tell this story, or was it just one arc of a longer run?

There was a whole ongoing for it. This one is from the post-crisis series. There was also a New52 version that was pretty good and had some sick art.

Actually that didn't exactly answer your question. The writer did stay on to write a few more arcs after that one.
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Wow, that sucks. XV was a trainwreck, but it was a fascinating trainwreck with a lot of cool shit I honestly enjoyed. I was really looking forward to seeing how these DLCs turned out.
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Just finished Pride of Bagdhad. My only real experience with Vaughn is with Saga and Paper Girls (both of which I'm way behind on), so I was excited to dive in to this week.

This isn't normally the type of thing I'd go for, but I enjoyed it. The dialogue is great and I enjoyed not only the charicterization of the pride, but how even the other minor characters felt immediately distinct. Overall, it reminded me a lot of We3, but a lot more grounded. I think its themes are better served that way. Particularly the ending. At first it was really jarring and I was convinced I had missed something. It really took me out of the story. But thinking about it, it's done in a purposeful way, as if to remind you that the grim but entertaining adventure of talking lions didn't actually happen, but all the rest of that bad shit did.
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I think I'll have time to read these the day the next batch is out. Better late than never I guess.
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I think the animated movie flashes out The Elite more, if that's something you felt was lacking. But as someone who read the comic first, I thought it was overall unnecessary.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Also, I really didn't want it to be explicitly an AU. There's so many small connections, especially with the ending, it doesn't make much sense.

It can be both an AU and connected to the first game. Not to compare everything Toby does to Homestuck, but one of the major plot points in that is very similar. I do think he's doing some misdirection about the connections, particularly Chara and probably Sans. Though I guess it's possible that Kris is his own character that is also a sociopath when we aren't controlling him.
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Yeah. Took me two attempts and I REALLY lucked out at the end of the second. Everyone was down except Ralsei on the turn I had to Pacify. I don't think it was bad as the Genoside fights but it was so sick. It really shows off the strategic little quirks of the battle system. There must be a save import system too, otherwise the reward is pointless.
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I would not at all be surprised if Sans is the exact same character as in Undertale. He didn't get a costume update, the supermarket is very clearly Grillby's hastily scrawled over, he "just moved here," and there's the banter in the dialogue option where you (as a player?) can say you remember him. Seems like Sans is totally aware of whatever is going on while making the bare minimum attempt at fitting in.

I'd expect the story is going to be similar to Undertale where it's largely self-contained but there are significant meta elements...its just that this time the meta elements can refer both to the player and the other game. But I'm really excited to see how Toby will make it all play out, and if he'll account for people who may not have played Undertale before playing Deltarune.
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Been busy this week and last so I didn't get around to the last Spiderman story and might not get to these. I've read everything but Public Enemies this week though so I might pop in for discussion but I don't have time to reread yet.

I haven't lost any interest, it's just bad timing. And What's so Funny and Red Son are some good shit, I hope people enjoy then!
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I can't wait for Episode IX to come out so we can argue about that movie for a year instead
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Well yeah, that's because ToS2 is a bad game and ToS is not
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Be prepared to relearn entire game systems like alchemy, combat, and how potions work. And then again in Witcher 3.

2 is way more polished, I enjoyed Witcher 1 but I would not say it is actually good like 2 is. It's very streamlined (but still has that depth of personality), so I dont think there is much to be warned about. Just make sure to do the sidequests you want to as they come up, as just like the first game, plot progression will lock old ones off occasionally.
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I finished Blue.

While I think the Long Halloween-style romp through the rogue's gallery is always fun, I felt that the actual meat of the story was off. They nailed the framing mechanism which really showcases Peter's headspace, but the civilian story feels divorced from that. You'd expect Gwen to take a central role in the story since it's the reason it's being told, but instead she merely exists. I'll admit I'm biased against love triangles (especially when we already know the outcome), but it feels inconsequential. Peter has more meaningful interactions with Flash Gordon than either of the girls, which seems backwards.

Scarlet makes a valid point about Gwen's role, but being meant as a prop doesn't make it better to me. MJ also feels that way. I came out of this story liking them both less, which is not what I expected from the premise. It really feels like two different concepts stapled together.

That said, I am not coming to Spider-Man for the deep romance angle (Trouble, anyone???) and the superheroics and banter were great. I love the art too even if I have to deal with Harry Osborn looking older than his dad.
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ninkendo posted...

also this episode changed the thing from the manga that created a future plothole so everyone can feel safe now and not worry about it

I read the manga but don't remember the details of the plot hole, what was it?

Was it where the arrow went?
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Yeah I'm also not saying Bell is at fault at all, just pointing out what you can reasonably expect from this kind of service when things go wrong.
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Nanis23 posted...

Is giving someoen a bad customer service even if money is not on the line really means they don't own him anything? even though his time was wasted and the service was terrible?
Like if you go to a restaurant and order something, then it takes them 30 minutes to make, and bring you the food cold/bad quality/too salty/overdone or whatever and you ask for them to replace it and they tell you "lol no, if you don't like it you can go away without paying"?

If you use a service, they should try and make the best use of their service, even if you only pay later

Ideally, yes. But delivery adds a layer and freelance delivery makes it even more complex. At my in-house delivery job I'd call the customer, let them know about a delay and ask it's okay, and coordinate with my supervisor back at the store to adjust schedules. I'd pick up a few cookies from the store and throw them in for free, just because I could. Freelance guys aren't really equipped do that, and aren't being paid to. These apps are way, WAY more detached from the customer than a restaurant is. You gotta be okay with a drop in service if you choose to use them. You're no longer paying for service, you're paying for convenience.

The big lie of the service industry is that the customer's time is the most valuable, but I guarantee you that they're all running cost/benefit analysis on dealing with certain problems. Freelance guys are put in a greater position to value their time more than the customer's, and I don't know what systems there are to punish them for pissing off customers but it's probably way more lenient than direct delivery.
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Obellisk posted...

I don't believe my expectations of receiving what I pay for are out of the ordinary.

I also don't want anything above what I'm actually entitled, my meal.

Did they refund you? You have no longer paid for it and don't deserve anything. Congrats.

If they kept your money then go ahead and call them and complain.
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I mean if you really abuse the customer service angle or get enough traffic that you aren't worried about losing one guy's business and him slamming you on Yelp or whatever then sure. But mostly in my experience if the customer wants a change and you have to remake an order because of it, you do it.
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Nanis23 posted...

If Uber Eats is just a delivery service and can't take responsibility for the restaurant, they still need to find a way to compensate the customer
Is it their fault this happened? no, but if your business relies on other business you better have counter-measures that won't hurt your customer

As long as they didn't take his money, and they notified him as soon as the order was cancelled, he wasn't hurt. His time was wasted, which is definitely annoying, but no wrong was committed. As long as he was refunded, they did right by him. Giving out extra goodies for the inconvenience is good customer service, but expecting them is customer entitlement.

So it sounds like their service is sub-par and if you don't like it, then you don't have to use the service. That's fine. But it's also important to have realistic expectations, which TC clearly doesn't have as he expects to be the sole focus of any delivery driver. Honestly, an in-house delivery service would have handled this a lot better. Rideshare delivery people just aren't trained or expected to deal with customers the same way restaurant workers are. If you don't like that then of course you are free to complain about it and not use the service. But manage your expectations. I've worked both as an in-house driver and on the restaurant side of managing rideshare orders (Amazon Prime, would not recommend for food as Amazon seems to manage it terribly), and it's a total clusterfuck at times. A lot of the food service job is lying to the customer to make them feel good and putting out fires the best you can. It will do WONDERS for your worldview if you just accept that shit happens sometimes.

For example,
Corrik posted...

Since when do restaurants let you cancel food after they already cooked it or began to?

HeroicZidane posted...

I'm curious what happens to the actual food. Since the order was cancelled from the UberEats driver, doesn't the restaurant still make it? Does it just get trashed now at the expense of the restaurant? lol

This happens all the god damn time. The restaurant will just eat the cost and that's just part of the business. Most likely some lucky employee eats your "old" order.
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Finished the Juggernaut story.

It was good fun! I do think the actual resolution of the fight was a bit of a cop-out, but it served its purpose well of showing Spider-Man's resilience. In particular, I thought Spidey hanging on towards the end as Juggernaut tries to beat him to death was pretty striking. At that point his only goal is to slow Juggernaut down, and I thought it was interesting that Peter was prepared to most likely sacrifice himself until Jugg falls in the concrete.

Also, to speak briefly on the art, my only experience with John Romita Jr. was with his New 52 Superman run with Johns, which I was not a huge fan of. I guess maybe his style just didn't age well for whatever reason, because I the art is very dynamic and cinematic here. There's a ton of visually sweet moments in this fight. I'm glad you pointed it out because I probably wouldn't have paid as much attention otherwise.
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Shoutouts to Stormwatch vs Alien which Warren Ellis just used as an excuse to kill off literally half the established cast and replace them with his original characters.
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Eddv posted...

As for Year 1 - I thought the decision to focus everything through Gordon is a good one even if it did result in things like Foxs weird Gotham show. I do dislike the idea that everyone in the batsphere is a Secret BadAss (honestly the short story about Alfred being a former spy is way way worse on this front) but it works overall.

Which short story are you referring to, out of curiosity? I love that Alfred is ex-military and it's really fun to see that come up on occasion and in stuff like Gotham. The only story I've read where I thought it really stretched believability was IIRC the Snyder All-Star Batman which gave him a super elaborate backstory. I also think there was something with his long lost son but I dont remember. Some decent characterization in there but man that plot was totally off the rails.
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Hot take
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Finished Trinity.

I think I hyped it up a little in my mind and was a little let down, but it's a solid comic. Racer Cool and especially his #1 are characters that I'm rarely disappointed to see and they hold up pretty well here. But the real strength is in the character interactions between the Trinity. I especially love the dynamic between Bats and Supes where they're starting to trust each other but aren't quite there yet, and Clark is able to see through a lot of Bruce's bullshit but just lets it slide.

If I have a complaint, it's that Wonder Woman honestly feels a bit like a third wheel. She's good when bouncing off the other two but I think lacks the solo characterization Bruce and Clark get. Her role in the plot also feels mostly tacked on. It's a little unfortunate when it feels like one of the Trinity doesn't share as much as the spotlight. Also, watching her get utterly trashed by Bizarro was just a total bummer. Though I'm speaking with the perspective of seeing Diana's big power boost she received in recent years.
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I was gonna wait until more people read it to drop that knowledge. Too late!

Thanks, Kevin Smith!
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I'm debating it. This is totally disconnected from the first two games, right? Never finished watching the two anime.
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I have Bowser > Kirby and Bowser > Crono. And Sora > Crono in Loser's.

I guess I just don't really respect Crono.
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Yeah I think mob boss Joker has his moments, but I'd be hard pressed to point to a better portrayal of Joker in the comics. The Killing Joke is more iconic, and I have a soft spot for Morrison's Joker(s), but Dini's just has such a wonderful tone.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

I mean, it's possible we are all code in someone else's simulation, and we wouldn't know it because we can't see the outside. Monika can see the outside from her perspective, so she feels like she is real, but who is to say that even in her own universe, she is just as unreal as the rest?

I guess another way to see the 5th wall is not just the fact DDLC is a videogame, but that even in the fictional universe that has a player interacting with the game, the "player" is still more real than Monika, and Monika is still a bunch of computer code, trying to manipulate other computer code. She can look outside and mess with the walls of her universe, but she is still connected to it.

Well this is just the classic science fiction question asking if AIs count as "real" people or are just following a programmed routine. I'll admit I didn't think of the possibility the other characters were the same as Monika regardless of her tampering, though. I guess I took her word for it.
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Oh, for sure. Theres multiple layers of suspension of disbelief needed. Though the "fifth wall" is just normal suspension of disbelief in the story cause obviously Monika isn't actually a real person, but in the context of the story she is.

Saying that you think all of the characters are human is fair. My personal interpretation was that the title of "Club President" itself is what elevates a character to essentially a humanoid AI. But you do make a good point that Sayori could have agency on the first cycle. I had just been attributing that to Monika's tampering since it causes the game to glitch and crash.
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Here we go again
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