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makes perfect sense. I don't think anyone was trying to get you to suspend your disbelief with this conversation.
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htaeD posted...

also the lack of a rusted iron ring :(

equip a dagger and use the quickstep weapon art. you can move through swamp areas really fast, and even after you run out of TP it still allows you to continue doing it.
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XIII_rocks posted...

Blatantly not what I was suggesting. I was more saying that when discussing Infinity War, it would perhaps be helpful to explain why this peril was so unaffecting when it is affecting in others?

no, I get this. I'm just saying I don't feel like someone criticizing a movie is required to do that to earn my respect or for me to consider their point valid. if they say that they didn't like it I'm generally going to believe them. why would they lie???

obviously I think a person who writes a critically engaging and informative essay on a movie is going to produce more interesting content, but I also fully acknowledge that not everyone CAN do that and not everyone wants to do that in every topic where the subject comes up.
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implication - no. when I'm talking about myself this is not implying anything about anyone else. it's just me talking about myself. very, very rarely do I mean anything beyond exactly the specific words that I have said (with the caveat that I do use colloquial definitions for words fairly often just as a result of this being casual chat)

GK - no, probably not. I think he just said something dumb without considering the broad-sweeping implications of it. as a writer myself this really bugged me. specifically the fact that (as I mentioned in my original post) it doesn't give due credit to people who CAN force suspension of disbelief, but also simultaneously apologizes for writers who fail to do it properly. just saying 'well if you can't suspend disbelief for infinity war how can you suspend disbelief for any movie' makes it sound like he's either saying infinity war is objectively the best movie ever made, or he's overlooking the fact that different people will just react differently to things than he does.

you - I have no idea. do you think his opinion is somehow less valid just because he's jaded? that seems like 'arbiter of others good taste' behavior to me. if you think that describes you then yeah I guess what I'm saying applies to you.
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ah I don't follow those topics much anymore, if at all. either way I'm hyped for this. the original was one of my favorites for quite some time and while that probably doesn't hold true anymore it's just because I've seen so much stuff at this point.
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first thing I want to say was that I was amazed when I looked up Bucket Head and saw how many freaking albums they had released. holy crap. I don't know if these are legitimately all full length albums or if it's just stat padding but that's still an impressive discography. there were multiple years where Bucket Head looks to have been releasing multiple albums per year. unless Spotify is just categorizing their music in a weird way I found this really noteworthy!

next I'll just mention that I'm not really into instrumental music much at all, at least not in the sense that I'd sit down and listen to it in any other context besides being an OST for a movie, game, anime, TV show, etc. honestly I almost turned it off immediately just because I knew I couldn't give it a fair rating with this in mind, but I decided to go ahead and listen to it anyway since it felt worth it to do that in the spirit of this topic.

ultimately I thought it was really good at what it set out to do, but unfortunately at the end of the day it's really not the kind of thing I will ever listen to again unless prompted to. I'm gonna go ahead and pass on giving this one a rating because I don't feel like there's any way for me to give it a fair number that represents "this was really good but it's not anything I'm interested in"
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anyone like Leone? I would say he's probably my favorite character right now... literally author bias...
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Eerieka posted...

I liked Boogiepop Phantom! Mind you I watched it 10 years ago around the same time I watched Serial Experiments Lain and I'm still not sure what happened in which series.

it's really cool. I ended up liking it more when I re-watched it the second and third times, both of those after I had read the books. similar to Lain it does come off as a somewhat bizarre and disjointed story but I think the reality is that it's actually a bit more straightforward. if you think of Boogiepop Phantom as an anthology it makes a lot more sense. each episode contains its own story, they generally range from good to great, and there's plenty of weird stuff that happens (especially when Boogiepop shows up)

anyway if you didn't know, that anime was created with input from the author but it takes place during the time between book 1 and book 2. so this new anime should be faithfully adapting at least the first few books (hopefully!), and will contain materials that are different and distinct from that older series.
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there were a few things where I couldn't even guess what they were supposed to be, but I'm not sure if that's due to going into later novels or if it's because of my memory failing + things not looking exactly the same as I'd picture them in my head.

there was a girl in a schoolgirl outfit featured a few times that looked like it might have been minahoshi suiko. book 2 starts with her committing suicide but I could see her still being visually present for a lot of scenes after that due to who/what she is. and there's a scene of what looks like a girl jumping in front of a train? they might have replaced the roof jump with a train jump. I dunno.

I think one of the villains in the first novel had some kind of fire theme, but I might be confusing that with another book or I'm just fake "remembering" it because I saw the dude on fire here.
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MysticBrohan posted...

Kids See Ghosts

Just listened to this.

I liked it as background noise. Some of the parts were a bit too eccentric and didn't flow well enough for me but who knows if that will remain true on repeated listens. well, that assumes I will listen to it again. I might honestly but I don't know for sure. nothing on here was catchy enough for me that I felt like it will be stuck in my head and make me feel like 'oh man I have to play that again now.' 6/10 overall, I guess.

neonreaper posted...

Bucket head - Colma

I'm familiar with the name bucket head but I don't think I've ever listened to it/them/him before, and honestly I don't even know anything about it or what to expect. guess I'll put this on next. write up pending.
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@digiiiiiiiii

not sure if I can edit this into my previous post and have it still count as a tag so I guess I'm double posting...
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https://twitter.com/pkjd818/status/1036783085101056000

there has to be at least one other person on board 8 that liked boogiepop phantom, right? well they're actually adapting the novels now. looks pretty sweet. as someone who read at least 4 of the books I'm pretty hyped.

also I'm pretty sure Digi liked it so I can't be totally alone here...
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XIII_rocks posted...

OK, but then people should differentiate between them. Why did IW not cause that suspension of belief when others did?

I don't feel like they're obligated to defend every single movie they've ever liked. saying that they didn't like one movie is enough for me to believe them that they really didn't like it.

and I don't feel like they need to justify that dislike to me because... well, I dunno. I don't see myself as the arbiter of others good taste.

XIII_rocks posted...

The answer tends to be that we know about the future of the MCU, which means Infinity War is treated differently to other movies. It's not standalone or isolated and people are knowledgeable and jaded.

sure, many people have admitted as much. I don't personally think it makes their opinion less valid or anything. do you think there's some magic potion they can drink that will make them less jaded? otherwise there isn't really anything they can do. they can either admit that they didn't enjoy it, or they can pretend to enjoy it to make you happy.
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StealThisSheen posted...

I think it's a product of this board, somewhat. I used to be that way and still find myself doing it every now and then because it's the easiest way to continue an argument. Most people here enjoy arguing/debating, and that ends when you go "Okay I'm wrong."

sure, I wouldn't argue against this being true in some cases. I think there's also plenty of cases where the person simply has a massive ego and can't back down. and other cases where they are legitimately wrong and just supporting a bad/dumb position without seeing how wrong they are.

I don't think anything happens for no reason. I guess I'm just saying regardless of the reason for doing it, I think people who post that way are annoying and come across as dumb.

scarletspeed7 posted...

We have a Doom Patrol series in pre-production.

I'm actually too big of a Doom Patrol fan to be excited about this, because I have reason to suspect it will most likely end up bad.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Point is, comic fans don't matter that much anymore. If every single person who bought a Marvel comic in August bought a movie ticket, it wouldn't make more than a $4 million difference.

yeah I think this point is really cool. it's one of my favorite things about how the comic book movie scene has developed. although I don't know if we can trust the studios to do unique things, it at least opens up the idea that more niche or unique things can be adapted and they could be successful.

makes it fun to speculate about what could come next and what they might come up with instead of just like... in previous eras you would only ever really think to see another batman or superman movie, and not much of anything else.
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StealThisSheen posted...

I probably give them a bit more credit than you do.

well this is almost certainly true lol

the issue is that these are often the same type of people who can't ever admit that they are wrong. so if I point out that their hyperbole isn't true, instead of going 'yeah I misspoke' or 'yeah I was being hyperbolic you dipshit' they literally start arguing against me and try to defend a position which is obviously false.
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v_charon posted...

Are you sure that's me and not you though, really?

well I can't be 100% sure it's you. maybe you're not trying to start a senseless argument. but I know for sure it's not me -- I mean, you obviously care about the subject we're talking about. so how could I be arguing with someone who doesn't care? by definition I couldn't be doing that.

v_charon posted...

I'm not really sure what you are wanting to say in here really

there are plenty of people in this topic, especially the earlier replies, massively overreacting to this event. and I've seen similar sentiments in really all of the related topics in the past. people are acting like it is blowing their fucking minds that disney would want to fire someone over bad press. like, this kind of thing happens all the time. I guess what I'm trying to say is; get over it, people. it's a movie about superheroes in space.

v_charon posted...

I don't know if anyone in here needs the clarification you're attempting to offer.

maybe, maybe not. I wouldn't say my goal is to go around performing benevolent actions for the good of the people and providing a service that they need. people are discussing a subject, and I'm posting my thoughts on that subject. it's not any more complicated than that.

StealThisSheen posted...

People have the right to be offended and I'm sure some were

right, but keep in mind some people in this topic don't agree with that statement. I'm just pointing out how dense they are being for legitimately believing that ONLY nazis could be offended by the idea of pedophilia.

LapisLazuli posted...

If people are dumb enough to see those tweets and feel actual outrage that he might be one, then they're too stupid to take seriously.

I never said they were smart, I never said that you were obligated to take them seriously. you implied that they don't exist. I pointed out that they do.

although if you think there are NO smart people who were offended by this you're probably also wrong (not even one? really???). then again your view of the world seems to be incredibly narrow minded so that doesn't really surprise me.

LapisLazuli posted...

You want Disney to can every movie with a shot from space to get the flat earthers on their side?

no, because for the billionth time I never made the argument that disney SHOULD fire him. I only made the argument that it was their right to do so, and gave the reason for why they did. funny that someone who can't even follow a simple conversation is accusing others of being dumb.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Nobody's saying it isn't

well, sort of, yes. this entire line of replies has been based around charon's post at the top of this page where he claims that gunn's tweets didn't generate any bad press. although looking back over it now he did say "not really had any bad press" which is a bit less definitive than I was thinking when I read it originally.

StealThisSheen posted...

What people are saying is that it wasn't actually getting them nearly the amount of negative press they thought it was, and are getting more now than if they had done nothing, yet they're sticking to their guns and causing themselves further issues.

right and to this I've already said

"I'd like to see another GotG movie but if I don't get to see one over some unfair internet bullshit I'm not going to boycott disney over it either."
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LapisLazuli posted...

This entire campaign was perpetrated by a nazi who faked public outrage because he didn't like Gunn.

and this means that no one who was made aware of the tweets could possibly be offended unless they were a nazi?

you realize pedophilia is considered probably one of the more heinous crimes in existence, right???
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v_charon posted...

If you believe Disney reacted the way they did to avoid bad press, then at this point they should be rehiring him to avoid the bad press they are now receiving from this. At this point, having him fired has generated more negative press than he ever had before they fired him.

you're conflating two separate issues here. honestly, probably three.

1. I said that I believe they fired him for that reason. I never said that their reasoning was correct.

2. I never said that they SHOULD have done it, just that they did do it and they had the right to it.

3. Your logic that I need to support any decision that helps them avoid bad press is totally unrelated to the two points above. I've never made any claim about what Disney "should" do so there's no reason why I would care what they "should" do about the current bad press. Similarly, I have never affirmed this idea that firing him over bad press was the correct decision. I've only said that they had the right to do it.

4. Similarly, if you ask me if they have the right to rehire him now, sure, they do. I wouldn't be mad if they did.

You're trying to start a senseless argument with someone who doesn't even care about the subject you're arguing for or against.

v_charon posted...

Basically this. Disney got fooled by some insane right-wing nutjob. A guy who has been filmed on camera being a completely vile human being; admitting this whole thing was a smear campaign in the first place. Disney basically looks like an enabler to the far right wackos at this point, especially since they won't right their wrong.

StealThisSheen posted...

The guy admitted, on camera, that it was a smear campaign

okay but a smear campaign is negative press. you guys can see that right?

when someone says "disney fired him because they didn't want to be associated with the bad press" this is not some controversial argument. it's just what happened. even YOU GUYS are saying it while arguing against it.
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woodman posted...

If people are saying otherwise, then you're disagreeing with them, and that statement is in contention with theirs. That's engaging in argument.

you can't just simply admit that you were wrong about it being a tautology and now you've forced yourself into the corner of having to argue some really dumb, indefensible position. it's okay to walk away. although it would be better to just admit that you made a mistake. it's really easy.

much easier than whatever the hell you're doing now

v_charon posted...

This is hardly true. The actors all support Gunn, and a massive petition does too. The people who support him far outweigh those that don't; don't forget the dude who got him fired is basically the scum of society that almost no one respects. Gunn has not really had any "negative press" since this began; it's all been negative on Disney for making this decision honestly.

your refutation has nothing to do with the statement I actually made, so I have no idea how "hardly true" applies here. did I say the actors were all against him? did I say the people against him outweighed the ones who supported him? all I said was that it had generated bad press (this is OBJECTIVELY TRUE, although you don't seem to think that it is... for... some reason) and that disney had the right to cut ties with him over that.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

There will be another movie, but nothing hints at it. We only have a release date, but not a name.

yeah I did like this aspect. if you want to talk about infinity wars as its own artistic property it was really nice that they didn't include anything IN the movie that actively broke this immersion. especially given marvel's adherence to the teaser post credit structure it could have been very easy for them to include some kind of pointless scene that hints at people coming back, which would have really undermined the impact of the final act of the movie.
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woodman posted...

no, it'd be a non sequitur if nobody is saying you aren't allowed to paint it that way

cool, but people are having a discussion about james gunn being fired by disney. it's actually happening in this very topic. you can find it if you look closely.
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woodman posted...

of course it's valid that's borderline tautological

tautological assumes that I'm making an argument there, when really I'm just making a statement. I was simply pointing out that there's no reason why disney shouldn't be able to fire someone if they wanted to separate themselves from the associated bad press. some combination of poor choice of words + the english language having lots of words that have multiple meanings caused this to become a misunderstanding.

the fact that SEP saw it as an argument and felt the need to argue against it doesn't magically transform what I said into a tautology. me saying 'it's totally fair to paint your house blue' isn't a tautology is it?
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StealThisSheen posted...

MariaTaylor posted...

to answer your first question no I don't think it's "fair" but life isn't fair and the world isn't fair so get over it.

I mean you literally just said it was fair in your previous post which was why I responded in the first place

in that case I misspoke. or, rather, when I said "fair" there I meant "valid." like "they are legally allowed to make this move." you seemed to take it as me saying "I think it's totally fair and balanced."
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LapisLazuli posted...

Yeah, it'd be a real shame if those nazis hated Disney. Walt would be rolling in his grave.

yeah the only people who would ever be upset about pedophilia jokes are nazis

you are an insightful individual

StealThisSheen posted...

So would you say it's fair to fire anybody that is doing a good job as long as they are bringing in negative press?

Like, if Johnny is a great worker, but Joey hates him and gets a bunch of his friends to call in and complain about him and spam the company's social media, the company should just fire Johnny?

you're conflating two separate issues here. I did not say, nor do I believe, that they SHOULD fire him. I said that they have the RIGHT to do that. which they do.

don't try and make me defend a position that I don't believe in. it's not going to work.

to answer your first question no I don't think it's "fair" but life isn't fair and the world isn't fair so get over it. I'd like to see another GotG movie but if I don't get to see one over some unfair internet bullshit I'm not going to boycott disney over it either.
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ah yeah the theme related stuff does sound really dumb. I feel like it's pretty common for video games to present a theme but then contradict it by the plot they actually deliver. it's a major reason why I tend to have very low respect for video game writing in general.

some of the gender complaints sound kind of silly (you're upset about a villain doing things which you consider to be negative behavior??) but whatever.
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profDEADPOOL posted...

Disney should have never hired him if those jokes were an actual issue to them as a company.

this assumes he was fired for that reason which he clearly wasn't. he was fired because public opinion turned against him, which is totally fair for Disney to do. they don't want to be associated with someone who is bringing in negative press. that's their decision to make.
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TheRock1525 posted...

I would say "make pedo jokes, lose job at children centric company" isn't an unreasonable position.

yeah I can't speak for ulti but this seems to be more in line with what he's implying. of course this won't stop people from making up ridiculous exaggerated positions that he didn't say and then arguing against THOSE positions...
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NeoElfboy posted...

Plot is possibly the worst Fire Emblem (I could go into why if you care

sure, I'd be interested to read it
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well I'm a bit of a misanthrope but I don't think I'm strictly wrong either.
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choose carefully

A. James Gunn actually feels legitimate remorse over making jokes on twitter, which, as evidenced by this very topic, 80%+ of people probably wouldn't even find to be a big deal

B. James Gunn "apologized" because he wanted to get a job at Disney and that's just what you do
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Jakyl25 posted...

Because sometimes you genuinely feel remorse for your actions maybe?

I've found such cases to be pretty rare. for me or anyone else, really. most of the time when people apologize it's in that childish way where they hope it absolves them of getting in trouble -- not because they actually feel remorseful.

and with these big public apologies that are meant as PR stunts well, I guess I can say the reason they do them is because there are people dumb enough to believe the apologies are genuine. so I guess I can't hold that against you if you truly want to believe it with all your heart.
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apologizing in general is pretty dumb, yeah. content creators need to learn to stop issuing apologies every time people complain about things they've done in the past. because people are always going to complain no matter what up to, and including, the point where you apologize -- and they'll still continue to hold it against you even after you apologize.

why waste your breath on such dullards?
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Waluigi1 posted...

So are you then arguing that Infinity War was poorly written and acted?

no. I'm defending the idea that it's possible for people to not be invested in infinity war and still enjoy other movies. which is just basic common sense but well we are on the internet so this is what happens.

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

honestly idgaf if it's considered a bad argument

I'd rather people defend stuff that I like with good arguments rather than bad arguments.

(not that I think you specifically are guilty of this anyway -- you weren't the one making those bad arguments.)
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Grand Kirby posted...

This has nothing to do with suspension of belief. The idea that you need to "believe the characters are actually dead" to enjoy a plot point in which a character has died is absolutely moronic. You don't need to believe its real to appreciate the emotion of the scene. I'm just saying that if you truly feel that the only way to be moved by a death scene in a movie is to believe that it's permanent then I can't imagine how you could enjoy any piece of fiction with such a narrow-minded mindset.

what if the difference is that in movie x, y, z, a, b, and q the writers did a good enough job of making him believe that it was real, also known as suspending his disbelief, but in avengers; infinity war the writers did not do a good enough job to make him suspend his disbelief?

it's almost as if your argument instantly falls apart under a microscope and your mindset is actually the one that is very narrow because it doesn't account for anyone having even slightly different opinions than you.

XIII_rocks posted...

Did you only read the first line of that post before replying?

no
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XIII_rocks posted...

But this isn't about one individual piece of art.

yeah he presented a fundamentally stupid and flawed argument to try and defend one specific art. I explained how that argument does a huge disservice to the idea of writing and media as a whole. if avengers: infinity war is so good then surely someone can post a defense for it that doesn't rely on a dismissive argument that assumes all points of views are reduced to base, ridiculous concepts (re: if you couldn't suspend your disbelief for this one element of this one movie, how could you suspend your disbelief for any movie?!)
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ah yeah THE BIG GUY is probably the most 'main' character left despite not appearing for several chapters now. he's been in the most artworks I've done, pretty sure he has appeared in the most chapters overall though I could be wrong about that, and he's the only character (edit: only human character) from the first chapter that is still alive. I wouldn't be surprised if more than a few count him among their favorites either -- he's also had essentially one of the most badass moments so far. hell, he might even hold the top 2 or 3 spots for badass moments.

and he has his own giant angel waifu. what more could a character ask for?
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have you guys never heard of suspension of disbelief? some works of art are capable of making you suspend that disbelief. then, there can be moments where the suspension of disbelief is broken. saying something like 'if you don't enjoy this one premise that's hard to accept then do you just not like any movies???' completely over simplifies the craft of story telling to its most basic elements, removes all context, and refuses to give credit to the masterful writers, actors, and directors who have the ability to force us to suspend our disbelief... all while apologizing for the talentless hacks who produce works of "art" that are impossible to buy into.
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redrocket posted...

Do yall just hate cliffhangers in general?

yes
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haha I wonder if that's true

does anyone have a favorite character in the story who hasn't died yet?
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probably a few I dunno
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outline for 23 done but I can't really decide on a chapter name. also I probably won't have enough time to finish writing and posting the whole chapter tonight anyway. really bugging me that I can't think of a chapter name, though!
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I like tortillas too
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leone - 111111
enoch - 111
kidd - 0

I also decided on the name but you can keep suggesting more if you want to feel bad when I don't choose your submission
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it'll all "bee" okay
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The Good, The Bad, and The Queen was good! It wasn't bad. It had nothing to do with Queen.

I really like Damon Albarn's voice and I've long been a fan of Gorillaz. No joke I probably listened to the album "Gorrilaz" once a night for like an entire semester straight while I was in high school. Some of my favorite songs of theirs have been the ones with less of a focus on guest artists and more just 2D's singing. I also remember the song by Blur that used to play on the radio all the time. You know which one I'm talking about. I tend not to know a lot of musicians by name so if the other guys are also more famous or well known it's totally possible I'm familiar with them or their work and just don't know their names.

Anyway uh I almost feel unfair giving this one a rating right now. I enjoyed about the first half of the album a lot, but I was doing something that required a lot of my attention and I ended up not listening to the music at some point. This one is at least 7/10 for me, and it's also the one I'm most likely to go back and listen to more than a few more times. At some point I'll probably figure out exactly how I feel about it based on my ability to focus and pay attention to the music the whole way through.

I decided to google the other names btw and apparently Tony Allen is a basketball player.
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Obellisk posted...

The Good, The Bad and The Queen

Damon Albarn, Paul Simonon, Simon Tong and Tony Allen

will play this now
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~* Now I only see your dull imposter ~*
https://imgur.com/tdhOSKc