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Not a day goes by that she doesn't request a meeting with management to discuss some minor problem she ran into that could have been resolved with a 2 minute conversation, but for which she would like a new process for.

Typically goes like this:

Carol: Do we have a login for X?
Me: Yes, talk to [sys-admin] to request access
Carol: Should this not have been given to me already? This is ridiculous. We should have a process for providing access to employees.
Me: We do have a process. Ask [sys-admin] to give you a login.
*Cue 30 minute meeting with management*

No surprises that she came from an illustrious 15 year career in government council work before now.
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Fam_Fam posted...

yes, but lowering the calories in would lower the calories out, generally, even if it isn't 1-1 correspondence, and so the logic would still hold, to a point?

It does hold to a point but there's also a bunch of other factors that play a part outside of what people generally consider when thinking of "energy out".

This article summarises it neatly:
https://bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-energy-balance-equation.html/
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xBloodBrotherx posted...

So the problem with cico is that it's accurate. Okay.

The problem with CICO as a method for losing weight/gaining weight is that 1) it's quite difficult to accurately track energy-in and most people get it wrong, and 2) it's next to impossible to track energy-out because the body is fucking complicated.

If you treat CICO like 2) isn't even a factor you're missing a critical point.
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DrizztLink posted...

Half of the argument just seems to be "I learned one thing in AP Physics and therefore I know everything about everything."

That's how most exercise science advice works unfortunately.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

oh my god pinky it was a joke

I know you were joking but I wanted to bring it up for discussion anyway
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Accepting that it's a fundamental, immutable law of physics that energy is conserved in some way and isn't created or lost...

Are we forgetting the next law? Entropy and heat and all that. You can't just keep changing energy from one form to another and expect it to change neatly without more of it being "lost" as heat. In terms of food as energy, you can't just consume food and expectall of it to change neatly from food into fat. Much of it is put out as heat. Moreover, different kinds of food have different amounts of energy lost as heat.

Essentially people oversimplify this whole argument. Yes, CI/CO is always going to be true, but that is not the same thing as saying "just change how many calories in you eat, calories out will stay the same so you'll lose weight".

TL;DR - the "calories out" side of the equation is not static so people shouldn't treat it like it is.
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It's not so much that they're into asian things so much as they fetishize the dorky cultures that we've adopted from asia that even asians find kinda weird and creepy

I mean if you think about it, nearly everyone is into Japanese/Chinese/Thai/Korean food but that's not a weirdo thing

Having an anime waifu pillow is weird no matter where you're from
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Sphyx posted...

I hear trying to get your sleep patterns under control can help make the process far less painful.

For a lot of reasons, some lifestyle but others physiological. Athletes aim to get at least 8 hours sleep IIRC because it has a measurable effect on performance. From a lifestyle point of view you're less likely to have those midnight feasting binges if you're going to bed at a reasonable time.
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prince_leo posted...

pinky0926 posted...

I don't know if I would recommend it to someone for the rest of their life because IMO it's a pretty miserable way to live, treating all food like nutrition and regimenting it all the goddamn time.

tbh I genuinely feel that I felt so horrible emotionally when I was at my most fit was because of this

This is armchair quarterback science at this point but I reckon the behaviour increases your cortisol (stress) levels which has a knock-on negative impact on any fitness goals you want to achieve. That is, if you find counting calories every meal a stressful thing (I do).
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Limeburners whisky
Little Creatures Pale Ale
Kangaroo as a meat product
Raw minerals and natural resources that make basically everything
The Ute
Having an easygoing attitude in almost all contexts
Akubra hats
Crocodile Dundee
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Sounds right up my alley, thanks for the recommendation. I've had an itch to scratch like this since OPM and Konosuba.
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I'm sort of savagely enjoying this shitshow administration because it's like a bizarre thought-experiment to see what happens to a country if it suddenly starts making all the wrong decisions.
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so woke
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Me when running: I bet everyone is looking at me feeling bad about themselves

Ego is weird
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thanosibe posted...

Well sure you can. But food, and the nutrients in them are just needed to survive.

Sex is amazing whether you are trying to procreate or not. Intimacy with another person is an activity that is almost essential for a strong bond between to people and enhances the relationship.

Beer saves many in past years where what water was available was undrinkable or people were unable to get drinkable water. Now you might could debate if that was best for their health in the long run. But immediately then it saved them from dehydration.

Human contact is actually becoming a worrisome thing in this generation. Lots of shut ins afraid of contact in the outside world and rely on electronic interchanges. And we can see how it changes an entire generation.

Food as more than food, unchecked and lusted after as it in the US is why we have a obesity and diabetes epidemic claiming lives at young ages. Yeah a BBQ sandwich is good. And I have favorites foods. But seeing it as too much more is why as I mentioned before why a lot of Americans are in the health conditions they are.

Everything you mentioned besides alcohol seems far more important to have an elevated view on than food. Those things enhance your life. Food just keeps you alive.

All this aside, I wouldn't say I eat to keep me alive. If I ate to keep me alive I'd exist on 4 meals a week of broccoli and chicken and save an absolute fortune.
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SpiralDrift posted...

This is true but I think it's just human nature. We see it play out on all levels of human society. That's not to say that it's not bad. It just is what is.

But I'm not excusing it just because of that. It's like if my cat tries to get the food on my plate, I'll shoo it away but I'm not gonna get too upset about it since it's just being a cat. It's undesirable behavior that should definitely be discouraged, but at the same time it's understandable.

The question to ask here is "is a grown man catcalling women and making them feel uncomfortable as uncontrollable an instinct as the instinct to eat food is in a non-self aware barely domesticated animal?"
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I hope shes okay mentally and physically

Sorry Yasmeen I don't think that's the outcome here
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SpiralDrift posted...

Fair enough on all that. I do think intentions matter, though. The person offering their advice may think they're being helpful even if they're not, and even if it's annoying it's not meant maliciously so I would cut them a bit of slack.

People offering their advice and opinions where it's not needed is just human nature and I don't think it's inherently bad. If it's ill-thought out or actually meant maliciously then yeah, that's bad, but that's usually the exception to the rule and I wouldn't lecture the ones who are actually good spirited about it for the faults of those who weren't.

I might be a little bit more cynical than you on this - it's true to say that people often have well-intentioned advice even if it's taken the wrong way - but I also think there's a lot of people who give advice just to be heard, or to win the conversation.

I think the true colours come out in those conversations when that advice quickly becomes an argument when challenged. If someone is really trying to help why would they lose their cool and press the point if the help isn't helpful?

Back to the heart of the conversation. With all of this stuff, I think us guys can get really defensive about it because we take it personally. We see it as an attack on our character or moral compass or principles, when really it should be a productive conversation about how to improve the collective behaviour of men and future men with awareness and education.

To simplify the catcall conversation. If you're not aware that it's not appreciated, you should be. If you are aware but you don't understand why, you can ask and find out. And if you are aware and you do understand but you still refuse to modify your behaviour because treating other people better is somehow an inconvenience to you, then don't be surprised if someone calls you toxic.
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Btw that doesn't mean I'd wait in line all day for bbq though, that's a bit over the top. It'd have to be the best bbq of my life.
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thanosibe posted...

It's just food. You need it to not die. That's it.

It's just sex, you need it to continue the human species.
It's just beer, in fact it's a poison and you don't need it at all.
It's just human contact, you need it to gain resources and that's it.

You can reduce just about anything enjoyable in life to that or less than that.
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SpiralDrift posted...

Just curious... do you feel the same way about religious extremism? Wouldn't it be just as valid to say that "but not all [religious denomination] people" doesn't help move the conversation forward? I'm sure you can see the problems with following this line.

Actually I do feel consistently about this. We're going way off topic here but on the subject of Islam as an example, I don't feel that the only problem with the religion is "a few nutjobs", and at the same time I don't feel that pointing out "most Muslims are peaceful lovely people" is helpful either.

Back on topic - my girlfriend deals with at least 1 or 2 instances of it every time she goes out running. That's 4x a week. So basically 10x a week she deals with catcalling. The other day it was 4 drunk guys slurring about her ass, as an example.

It's such a persistent and annoying problem that she plans her running routes and times around it. She avoids pubs and happy hour. She tries to go around parks where other runners are doing the same.

The point is, this is enough of a problem that it affects her life every day in not an indifferent way.

And what really irritates her more than anything is that when she brings up this problem-she's-dealt-with-ever-since-she-grew-breasts in casual conversation with men present, they'll provide their 5 minute hot take on how to resolve it like she doesn't already have an arsenal of strategies at the ready, like the problem is she just hasn't been smart enough/brave enough/tough enough to handle it. These men will give her the entire diatribe of hot tips on how to modify her behaviour but when questioned on the behaviour of the guys actually catcalling, will dismiss it as "lads being lads".

Yeah, I could see all of that being worth complaining about.
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SpiralDrift posted...

This whole thing is about a handful of idiots online making idiotic comments that are in no way representative of men in general, but they're being taken as if they are.

Right, but it's still enough idiots for it to be a persistent problem.

To go back to the subject of women, and to take a milder example - such as catcalling - if you really fleshed it out with any woman they would have to admit that no, most men are not making inappropriate advances and comments at them as they go about their day. The point is it's enough men doing it often enough for it to be a problem they deal with all the time, every day, for many women any time they step out of the house. And just saying "but not all men" doesn't really help move the conversation forward any. And we would have to admit that this is not a problem men have to deal with really at all, so just dismissing it as "a few crazies" doesn't help either.
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SpiralDrift posted...

Ok, so we're just resorting to outliers to make our points.

I was logically disseminating your hypothetical, not providing another one.
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SpiralDrift posted...

I don't see how this is any different from telling women to fight back (as in physically) against sexual assault. How is that right but it's not right to tell men to do the same?

Because "you can fight back if someone tries to assault you" is a very different statement from "lmao why didn't you deck him, are you some kind of pussy?"

No one here is suggesting Terry Crews would have been wrong to get physical, we're just drawing issue with the expectation that rape can't happen to men because men are strong.
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SpiralDrift posted...

Then why not stop calling it toxic masculinity?

Did I call it that? But also this:
COVxy posted...

The issue is that this response is normalized in sexual assault on men, and even readily supported by men, because they are expected to be tough and masculine. The issue is that admitting that you are weak in a situation is a social no-no, so people are conditioned to deny it to their own and other's detriment.

pinky0926 posted...

Does this apply to Crews' situation? Probably not, but maybe in others. For example, if you know that someone has a record of sexual assault and your friend is going to spend time with them you might advise them to take some pepper spray along just in case, because that would be the smart thing to do.

I think that's a rather unlikely hypothetical that doesn't quite go far enough to explain the main reason why some people like to offer their laundry list of anything-but-actually-blame-the-rapist ideas on why a sexual assault happened.

Also in your hypothetical I think there's is a difference between advice like "protect yourself just in case" and a comment like "well no wonder he raped you, what did you think was going to happen? This is on you for existing in his space". The first one is about taking precautions, the second is providing worthless advice while at the same time taking the focus away from the actual criminal party here.
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Watch some of boiling point. It's pretty clearly not scripted and he's so fucking nasty in that it makes his over-the-top american tv persona look like a pussy cat.

Kitchens are stressful environments, chefs like ramsay are not uncommon.
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Blue_Target posted...

I also second meal prep. Take one day a week and cook your weekly meals into storage boxes. Then take a box and microwave it for your daily lunch.

Also cut down on beer if that is your thing.

Beer is the killer for me. I'm not going to get rid of it but it's a big fucking nasty blot on my otherwise fairly clean lifestyle.
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KhanJohnny posted...

I went to a bbq in Austin where you are literally expected to bring a folding chair and drink alcohol for like 3 hrs while you wait in line for above average proteins.

Our culture is ridiculous. No nutrients are worth that long of a wait. It's all hype.

No doubt hype is a large part of it but I've had some meals in my life that are so memorable I'd wait in line for 3 hours just to have them again.
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SpiralDrift posted...

That just makes it bad advice then. Also, it's not just men saying it.

No doubt a lot of women are awful at this too. To me, the "toxic" part is less about masculinity and more about pinning a sexual assault on the victim for not reacting in a certain way.

It's a really odd one to me. If I told you someone broke into my house and stole my possessions nobody questions why it happened or what I should have done to prevent it. No suggestions on how if I had a bank vault door instead of a regular door and a doberman in every room I'd still have my stuff. No one doubts it even happened. They'd just say that was some lowlife and I hope you have insurance. But when someone relates how someone broke into their pants and violated them in the worst way the questions come rolling in like the spanish inquisition. That's the toxic part of the conversation.
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Depends how quickly the line is moving.
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MrPeppers posted...

It sounds like splitting hairs to me. The gist of the message is the same.

I think it's less splitting hairs and fundamentally, entirely different.

I understand if someone is just reflexively trying to understand the situation ("why didn't you do X"), but I don't think they're doing the right thing if they're assuming that the reason the bad thing happened is because of some action/inaction on the part of the victim. Ultimately there was a fucking rapist in the picture and that's who we should focus on, not whether the innocent party wore the wrong kind of dress or didn't immediately escalate to acting violently.
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Omega Hunter posted...

women cannot beat men at being masculine. They can't be tougher then us, they can't be more independent then us, they can't be more ambitious then us, more courageous, more disciplined, etc.

True colours shining right through there

So to recap, women are not ambitious, courageous, tough or disciplined. That's a man's quality. Gtfo with that 1950s nonsense.
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SpiralDrift posted...

If we're gonna support women who attack their sexual assailants we should support men who choose to do the same. Of course, it's up to the victim to decide whether this is the best course of action in their specific situation and people outside of it can only offer advice in hindsight.

There's a subtle difference in points here though. Consider both responses to the same situation:

"I would have supported you if you attacked him/defended him in that situation"
"You should have attacked/defended against him, then it wouldn't have happened."

The reason people would say offering "advice" in that situation is toxic is because not only does it put the fault at the victim's feet for not handling it in a certain way but it's totally redundant. Hindsight is 20/20 and completely worthless (and insulting) in this situation.
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Of all the potentially reasonable arguments you could have pulled out in defense of masculinity, you had to go victim blame a man over a sexual assault.

Biggest facepalm of the day right here
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I don't hate them but I hate how much bullshit they pull and get celebrated for.

Rereleasing Skyrim in a dozen ports for full price but still not fixing 6 year old game-breaking bugs. Are you fucking kidding me?
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pogo_rabid posted...

3khc posted...

I already drink a ton of water and actually dislike soda.

What is CICO. I've heard of keto.

Calorie in, calorie out.

And while it's technically correct, strict calorie counting isn't long term viable for everyone due to how the body treats the caloric deficit. aka- why so many people on diets fail/quit.

It's basically an oversimplification on what needs to be done.

Agreed with this. It's become a bit of a meme to reduce what is an enormously complex bit of thermogenesis into "just plug your food into a calorie calculator and hey presto".
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3khc posted...

Glad to know I'm halfway there. I love cooking and already do many things posted. Main thing I shoupd focus in is counting calories and sticking to my exercise.

Any tips on staying motivated? Like maybe a eating work out schedule

Counting calories is a useful exercise for a few months until you really get a handle on what you eat (it's likely a lot more than you realise). I don't know if I would recommend it to someone for the rest of their life because IMO it's a pretty miserable way to live, treating all food like nutrition and regimenting it all the goddamn time.

First tip is don't rely on motivation. You'll have bad days, shit will come up, weather will be bad, your legs will hurt, whatever. When that happens you're mentally focused on other things and the motivation to work out goes out the window. You'll go 3 weeks without doing so much as a light jog and not even notice.

What you need to do is build habits - discipline, essentially. To give an example, I bet you've never had to "motivate" yourself to go fill your car up with gas, even though it's a pain in the ass expensive thing to do. You do it because you simply have to, because your life wouldn't be right in so many ways if you didn't fill the car up with gas.

Exercise should be like that. As much a part of your routine as brushing your teeth and showering. Not something you can just skip out on because you're feeling unmotivated.

For that, you need clear achievable goals and a good plan with quantifiable progress (i.e. run X amount in X time, or lift X amount - NOT "get a six pack" or "look good at the beach" or "feel better". That fuzzy stuff will be fine for 2 months until you lose motivation. You need a plan.

What kind of exercise appeals to you, and what are your long term goals? I know some good progressive plans for different kinds of things.
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3khc posted...

What does macro mean

Macronutrient, i.e. protein, carbs, fat. You need a balance of each but typically it's easier to lose weight for various reasons if you amp up the protein component and dial down the carbs and fat, but you still need all three.
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Make sustainable permanent lifestyle changes, don't pursue things with a fixed one-off end goal in mind.

I can't say I agree with the guys saying to cut out all your vices and start working out/cardio 6 times a week. That's how you burn out and become discouraged.
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skimmedmilk posted...

or you know, maybe korea and mexico improved

also korea was lucky on their goals

Don't give them too much credit

This was nothing less than a complete meltdown by the German team. I would argue it's even worse than what happened to Brazil last time around, because as awful as that was it only happened in one game.
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Pretty sure this is made up, can't find any articles to corroborate it, and it would be big news if true

Actually nevermind turns out I didn't get it was a joke -_- We live in a truth stranger than fiction reality right now.
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Darkman124 posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Any skill can be learned, and we have access to tons of resources literally at our fingertips.

yes and no

development of software that only you know how to operate but provides ultra-high value to the company is one way many technical people build their job security

technically others could learn how to use it but the power to teach them is in the hands of the operator

This is a very big frustration in my job. Got developers acting like they're bulletproof with shitty behaviour they should be getting reprimanded or fired over...and the trouble is they basically are bulletproof, because they are the only person on hand who can navigate the labyrinthine database setup that would take someone else 2 years to learn.
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pauIie posted...

this is going to be a thing forever, and bandwagon/fair weather fans will not hear your complaints nor care.

I'm not looking to change anything, just having a rant here
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Listening to the shit that comes out of people's mouths who have never shown the slightest bit of interest in the sport in the last 4 years.

"Messi played reasonable well in the recent fixture but he's not been performing to his level this world cup"

Oh shut the fuck up Carol, you couldn't even identify two other Argentinian players on the team if I held your cupcakes to ransom.

I'm sure it's this way when the Super Bowl rolls around as well, or the World Series.
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Job security these days is less about your loyalty to a company and more about how easily/quickly you could be employed based on your skillset and experience.

If you're a qualified nurse or vet you could walk into a temp shift as soon as they make their compliance checks. Freelance journalist for small newspaper - probably gonna struggle to find much. That to me is job security.
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spanky1 posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

spanky1 posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

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Shuto-uke posted...

lmao@she calling herself a "sportsman".

Woman, you sat on your ass and pulled a trigger to end a beautiful, majestic life. Wake me up when you do something physical.

Putting all other comments and discussion aside, this in particular tickled me. Hunting is pretty physical. Also she's clearly in great shape.

You always see comments like this when it comes to hunting. People always like to boil it down to just pulling a trigger.

It takes a lot of work to bag a deer like this

Is chess a sport? What about competitive video gaming?

My post is in regards to "boiling it down to pulling a trigger". I don't care what is considered a sport and what isn't.

ok cool.

So are chess and competitive gaming sports?

I honestly don't know.

I honestly don't know why he's trying to trap you into a rhetorical point over something kind of irrelevant to the discussion
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Only because he only ever faced off against canon fodder.
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Shuto-uke posted...

lmao@she calling herself a "sportsman".

Woman, you sat on your ass and pulled a trigger to end a beautiful, majestic life. Wake me up when you do something physical.

Putting all other comments and discussion aside, this in particular tickled me. Hunting is pretty physical. Also she's clearly in great shape.
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DonnyTlk2Russia posted...

The Ayatollah C posted...

GameGodOfAll posted...

I feel like everything I hear about Britain lately is just fake. Like this shit is some bad over the top fictional world for some dumb science fiction story or something.

This is how the whole world thinks about America

Why? Were actually free

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One of the most amazing and frustrating reads I've ever experienced.

The quality is hugely inconsistent. It starts bland and derivative, picks up quickly with some really interesting characters, peaks somewhere in the middle (book 5 IIRC) at which point it's amazing, slowly meanders around a bit, then book 10 happens and that is hands down one of the worst books I've ever read without any exaggeration, and then the author died and another guy took up the mantle and did a pretty good job but it's really hard to wrap your head around the total change in style.

So yeah I'd read it if you're an avid reader of immersive big fantasy worlds (really it's essential reading if you're a fantasy reader), but its also a massive pain in the ass.
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