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If you are told to raise your hands but you choose instead to reach for a gun then yes, you are asking to be shot.
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lordloki12 posted...

Uh he was just standing under the pavillion and they drove the car right up to him and shot him as they were exiting the vehicle.

According to police spokesmen, it was initially unclear whether or not that information had been relayed to the dispatched officers, Loehmann and Garmback, and it was later revealed that the dispatcher had not elaborated beyond referencing "a gun".

Its terrible what happened. It was easily preventable. But based on the information that was relayed they had to assume he was reaching for a real gun and not a fake gun.
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BowserCuffs posted...

Then why do they get a slap on the wrist for things that would land a civilian in jail for life?

I'm not saying that cops who actually do commit criminal acts should just get a slap on the wrist.

I'm saying that this "shower head" situation and in situations like it that there was no wrong doing on the part of the cops.

BowserCuffs posted...

Also it's rather dystopian that an orange piece of plastic can determine whether a child lives or dies to a cop.

So maybe don't take off or paint over the orange plastic that is supposed to signal to someone that you are not holding an actual weapon?

Cops arrive at the scene knowing only the information they were given en route. If the information is that someone is waving a gun around, and they arrive at the scene and see someone waving a gun around, then that is what they have to go on.

And it can result in tragic circumstances, but they aren't the ones precipitating the situation, they are the ones who have to show up and diffuse it.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

As far as this part of the post, we're never going to agree here.

The 6th Amendment of the Constitution literally says "yes, even a person pointing a gun is entitled to a fair trial".

It literally does not do this.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

That bolded part there is the important bit. Because you don't get to the "criminal prosecution" into after the alleged criminal has been neutralized and arrested. And if that person is pointing a gun at someone then there is a good chance they might not survive the neutralizing process. But if they DO survive the arrest then yes, they get a fair trial.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I don't know why you keep stripping the nuance from this, but here goes:

I'm not saying Cops should never discharge their weapons at suspects.

I'm saying Cops should assess the scene and attempt to deescalate, every time.

Arriving on scene and firing on someone who's not already firing ends up with 12 year olds dead.

Then someone should have taught that 12 year old not draw a replica at a police officer.

Is it a tragedy? Yes. But it's a tragedy of awful parenting and of a kid who didn't realize the danger he was putting himself into through his actions.

Again, maybe don't take the orange safety feature off your replica gun.

Because imo that situation was fairly assessed from the perspective of the cops. The fact that it was a child was not relayed to them before their arrival on the scene, and that was a mistake on the part of the dispatcher and that might have altered how the situation played out, but it also might not have because it was still the appearance of a real gun. So that's a big ol' "fair, next" as far as I'm concerned. And it does suck, but it would suck a lot less if people would not point guns (or appear to point guns) at other people.
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Kenri posted...

Police do this all the time tho so clearly we as a society don't have an issue with this per se.

I'll accept it if that's just your personal moral stance though, it seems fair enough even if I disagree.

Police do it in response to the threat posed by others. If the person in question wasnt creating the lethal circumstance to begin with then it wouldn't be necessary for the cop to have to intervene.

That's like saying "why is it okay for a construction crew to demolish a building but its illegal when my friends and i try to knock down a building?"

The construction crew is the one with the training and the know how that your average person does not have.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I actually do think we should expect them to do that.

If it comes down to it, you have to make a choice and decide if you think rights, the Constitution, and everyone's lives are more important than maybe threats to the lives of the Police.

I think they are.

I respect the Police, but they should be held to a higher standard than your average citizen, period.

No. The life of the person pointing a gun at someone else is not as important as the lives of nearby innocents. Full stop.

Your right to be alive rapidly diminishes when you purposely put someone else's life in jeopardy.

And as far as being held to a higher standard i would argue that they already are being held to a higher standard.

In your average large city there are violent circumstances and incidents taking place on a daily basis. I am not tasked with going into those scenarios and diffusing the violence. That is not a standard that i am held to. I have not trained for it and i am not prepared for it. Nor is any other random person trained to go into violent scenarios and diffuse them.

But then you have police officers who are held to a different standard where that is what they must do.

While many situations have nuance the debate here is decidedly lacking in nuance.

I will never go into public and point a gun at innocent people. It will not happen. I will go my whole life and never do that or even pretend or give the impression that im doing that.

And it is an absurdly easy thing to not do. In the same way i cannot contemplate eating my own feces, I cannot imagine pointing a gun at an innocent person in public.

Where are you finding room for nuance here?

Fir clarification i am referring to situations where someone is either pointing a gun or pretending to point a gun.

"Appearing to reach for something that may or may not be a gun" is a different sort of scenario that actually has room for interpretation.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

In my opinion, it's the idea that all people are entitled to due process of the law and a fair trial, and death removes the chance for that.

When you point a gun at someone you are forfeiting your own safety. Law enforcement needs to be able to act before someone dies, not after.

obviously this should come with rules as far as the legitimate use of lethal force. It should not beva blank check to shoot anyone in any circumstances. But "pointing gun a someone" is one of those circumstances. Easily.

For the record i hold "pretending to point gun a someone" to be effectively the same thing. If it has the appearance of a gun from 20 feet i can't imagine that we should expect cops to walk up and ask for the apparent weapon so they can perform a munitions check to know the threat is real.

Kenri posted...

Why does "I think that this person might shoot me, but I don't know and could be wrong" justify killing them in your world?

Because they are in public and they are pointing a gun at a human being.

That is a decision that they made. To go out in public and to put a human being one finger-pull away from death. They created that circumstance.
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Kenri posted...

Exactly, no one can know what was going on in the guy's head for sure, yet you're claiming you do know (that he could have been a killer) and you're defending a police officer who thought he knew well enough to kill the guy.

You've already said that you don't think they should have fired even if it was an actual gun, but that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Why do you feel that cops are supposed to assume that people pointing guns won't fire them?

Their (the cops) job is to protect others and themselves. Why is it reasonable to think the safest way to go about this is to imagine that no one is going to fire the gun that they are pointing until after they have already murdered someone?

That seems much less safe compared to instead establishing that pointing guns (or pretending to point guns) at people is something you should NEVER do unless you want to be shot for presenting the appearance of a lethal threat.
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red13n posted...

The Giants apparently didn't get the message that McCutchen was declining fast.

Ugh don't remind me.

Him and Longoria cant buy a hit right now. Its getting ridiculous.
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Jakyl25 posted...

It would be interesting to figure out what he does give a shit about.

Right, my parents never spanked me, but they knew what to take away to get me to behave. Whether it was tv or video games or dessert they would pinpoint what would bother meb the most to use.

And consistency was key because they were consistent with their application of punishment. Had they not been i might have pressed them on it more.

But i turned out okay with no violence required.
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That is unusually complimentary of him.
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Going to be 1 year in June
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red13n posted...

baseball is slow, painful torture.

Just saw the final score. Ouch :/
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Full Throttle posted...

hundreds of PS4's and XBOX One

How?

They don't even stock that many at an individual store.
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SBAllen posted...

There's a very noticeable red "Report Ad" link in the site footer (shows up on every page). If you get a malicious ad, please click it. It will send us every bit of info possible about the ads that are on the page when you clicked, which can help us get rid of the ad very quickly.

Ah. I don't think I've ever scrolled down that far.
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West coast hasn't started yet. Im about to go get mine
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What is his motivation to accomplish this task. Is it to be assumed that he is trying his hardest or are we supposed to factor in how likely or unlikely he is to try very hard.
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Welp. We got outscored by the Dodgers 2 runs to 14 over the series but walk away with 2 wins and 2 losses. That's about as idyllic a scenario as we could have hoped for.
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Yes, easily.

Lopen posted...

He can if it's not required that the passengers survive.

This may also be important.
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McCutchen is 1 for 15
Longoria is 0 for 14

With the exception of a couple players the rest arent doing much better.

Giants only 2 RBIs so far are from joe panik home runs.

I don't feel like its too much to hope for at least mediocre production.
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I just got the "congratulations you won a chance to win a phone" hijacking.

@SBAllen fix it :/
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davidponte posted...

Kevin Pillar stole second, third, and home in the same inning today.

How is that possible
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Its pretty disturbing to know that 2 of the news stations that serve my city are owned by Sinclair.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Ya go my giants
Ya go my joe panik

Another 1-0 victory off a panik solo home run.

I could get used to this.

Though a bit more offensive production would be nice too.
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Cueto rocking the perfecto through 5. Just need the giants to put some offense on the board now.
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red13n posted...

enjoy the start to your 81-85 win season

I believe you mean 93-97
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UltimaterializerX posted...

5x3 and 3x5 are the literal exact same thing.

So you are saying that 5 piles of 3 rocks is the exact same as 3 piles of 5 rocks?

Both scenarios contain the same amount of rocks, but they are not the same.

If you enter a room with 5 piles of 3 rocks each and were going to add them up you would do it with 5 sets of 3, not 3 sets of 5.
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Punnyz posted...

so we can actually say fuck now

but we can't pretend to say it

Because the profanity filter is still an option for people who want to use it.

And so by inserting the period you would make the fuck visible to people who don't want it to be.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

5 + 5 + 5 doesn't equal 15, for starters. You have to say 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3.

Please, be wrong more, I think it's delicious when you are wrong about almost literally everything.

The "problem" you are referring to is this:

http://clutchmagonline.com/2015/10/apparently-555-does-not-equal-15-heres-why/

And the issue isn't the fact that you aren't allowed to say 5 + 5 + 5 is 15. Because you can say that.

If this was an ADDITION problem and the QUESTION was 5 + 5 + 5, then the ANSWER would be 15.

But it isn't.

It's a MULTIPLICATION problem.

And the question is 5x3.

And the INSTRUCTIONS say to use the "repeated addition" strategy.

Which is taught to the kids using something like this:

https://www.homeschoolmath.net/teaching/md/multiplication-repeated-addition.php

5 x 2

Here we have five groups, and each group has two elephants.

how many groups? 5

how many in each group? 2

2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 10

Five times two elephants is ten elephants.

3 x 4

Here there are three groups, and each group has four dogs.

how many groups? 3

how many in each group? 4

We can solve it by adding:

4 + 4 + 4 = 12

Three times four dogs is twelve dogs.

So back to the problem that you were referring to... The question on the page was 5 x 3. And the kids are being taught to read 5 x 3 as FIVE groups of THREE. Not THREE groups of FIVE.

So to correctly do the problem in the way it was taught you have to add 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3.

Maybe you should go back to school...
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I agree that the metrics required in common core curriculum can be implemented in ways that result in terrible questions/situations/etc.

They can also be implemented in ways that make sense.

If I gave you the instructions "Use peanut butter, jelly, and bread to make food" then a few different things could happen.

- You could take two slices of bread, apply peanut butter to one, jelly to the other, and put the peanut butter and jelly sides together to make a normal peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

- You could take a handful of peanut butter (with your hand), toss it on the counter, cover that with jelly and then rip the bread into crumbs and sprinkle them on top.

If someone in the world does the 2nd method it doesn't mean that the instructions themselves were indefensibly ridiculous.

It might just mean that someone screwed up trying to follow what were otherwise perfectly adequate standards.

So if you want to point to the standards themselves and explain why they are inherently bad or difficult to be implemented then we can have that discussion.

But don't point to the idiot smearing peanut butter on his walls and tell me that his actions make the instructions themselves wrong.
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Corrik posted...

Common Core is ridiculous. Defending it is insane.

Adamantly insisting that something is as bad as the worst example of it is insane.
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I didn't like how watered down the "quest" aspects of the movie were.

And that's saying something because even in the book i felt like they started hand-waving too many important things about halfway through, but it was even more egregious in the movie.

Other than that it was a "fun" movie and i enjoy the themes and references if nothing else.
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What the gris are you talking about?

Cursing? On my GameFAQs? I think not.
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Ya go my giants
Ya go my joe panik

Ill take an opening day win over the Dodgers any year.

Im going to the Dodgers @ Giants game on the 8th. I love that they play each other 7 times in the first 9 games.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Who's gonna tell him that that article doesn't say what he thinks it says

EDIT: Oh I got distracted by Law and Order too long in posting this. Nice.

At this point I'm going to pretty much assume that he is intentionally posting articles and pretending that they prove something contrary to their actual point.

And regarding the article it isn't even that I am overly found of the common core math, but it's one thing to not like it and it's another thing to pretend that an awful version of something is indicative of it as a whole.

But that's ulti for you.

Some terrible math problem is conceived? He is convinced that all math problems of that type are equally flawed.

Some terrible liberal does something terrible? He is convinced that all liberals are equally terrible.

It's not a good way to base your opinions on things. And that doesn't just go for ulti but for anyone who tries to take the worst example of a thing and try to extrapolate and make assumptions about everything else.

Also here's a couple decent takes on Common Core Subtraction:





Or we could just say that one problem that was for some reason part number-line and part free response and part word problem represents the entirety of math. -_-
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UltimaterializerX posted...

http://hechingerreport.org/common-core-math-problem-hard-supporters-common-core-respond-problematic-math-quiz-went-viral/

Anyone defending this trash is not fit to teach. Period.

Did you read that whole article?

It goes on to explain how that was a particularly terribly constructed problem. And how common core does not require it to be that complicated or involve a writing component.
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I don't make much, but my paychecks vary depending on how many hours i get scheduled from week to week. Ill see if i can find some pay stubs from last year with a comparable amount of hours and compare withholdings.

Otherwise there is too much variance from simply working more or less to account for.
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Those pictures are not flattering whatsoever.
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it's difficult to say what nixon would have thrown out there if he had a twitter account. Though I have to imagine it would be more restrained and less self incriminating than whatever this is.
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NFUN posted...

That's a useless description that does nothing to say why the video is a reference to it. I'd need to post a picture of it to show the relevance and mention the structure and at that point it's just not an effective way to communicate it.

And saying "loss" with no context does more?

At first i was trying to understand if the video was supposed to be portraying the abstract concept of loss somehow. i had to reason to suspect that "loss" was a very specific meme.
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Reg posted...

I give the answer
Multiple people proceed to get it wrong

c'mon B8 you're better than this

Derp! Somehow i skipped past that and only saw the next reply to that prompt. How embarrassing :/
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Tokoyami posted...

Yea I couldn't either so I just did the desktop version on my phone

That did the trick.
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I can't figure out how to Prime Sub on mobile. Ill figure it out after work
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I can't wait for Han to get to me.
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Underleveled posted...

WickIebee posted...

I'm not doing anything suspicious.. Really!

This is an early Pokemon game.... not sure if RBY or GSC.

I think its GSC when you talk to your rival before he breaks into the lab at the beginning of the game.
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What is the significance of the federal interest rate going up?
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Han10
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Han9
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Anagram posted...

Nothing's worse than a cheatin' kobold

Baldur's Gate?

In case of a water landing, you may be used as a flotation device.

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Han8
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Han7
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Tom Bombadil posted...

sure you're not thinking of 100-man?

that might have been it!
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