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muchdran posted...

The FBI was to busy chasing conspiracy theories

yeah I'm sure Michael Flynn admitted guilt just to make himself look bad for no reason, not because the Trump team tried to conspire with the Russians to win the election.
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AngelicTouch99 posted...

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Spooking posted...

We can't have knee-jerk reaction laws get pass. Thankfully, congress doesn't act on knee-jerk reactions.

bull fucking shit! after 9/11 happened, they decided unanimously to bomb the fucking shit out of Afghanistan (and later Iraq), without even discussing it with other countries and ultimately leaving a million+ dead, when none of the hijackers were even from Iraq to begin with, so don't start with me on the knee-jerk crap

That wasnt a knee jerk reaction. That was bush using the bombing as an excuse to go after saddam hussein for putting out a hit on his father. Its people abusing fheir power, not a knee jerk reaction

the nearly unanimous support from Congress for a dipshit like Bush immediately after 9/11 was a knee jerk reaction.
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metralo posted...

ok, yes, I agree. but where does it stop? many CEmen would have been arrested by now, in the last few weeks. tens of thousands would be kicked off youtube. reddit/4chan/twitter, may as well shut them down. you guys cool with that too? are there enough employees for that?

what about things like "#killallmen"? should we take those people into account too? even if its hyperbole?

cool with that? yes. enough employees? maybe. account too? yes.
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tennisdude818 posted...

Interesting difference in reaction from the MSM. A school shooting happens, and the MSM is very eager to give angry pro-gun control advocates a microphone. It's very important that the country has a serious discussion about gun control.

But when somebody drives a truck through a crowd of people, it's a time for sadness and changing Facebook profile pictures. It's certainly not time to give angry people the microphone to start a discussion about borders.

When someone drives a truck into people it's usually because they're on a quest for jihad and I think they're trying to crack down on that
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Patchwork posted...

He would've been able to hurt a lot of people with knives, a la Franklin Regional, but they'd have had a better chance at survival.

yeah I just wikipedia'd that. 0 deaths.

lot easier to defend yourself against a knife attacker than someone firing bullets at you.
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Mission Hill
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Snooping is never a good idea. Relationships are built on trust.
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scorpion41 posted...

gbpxl posted...

scorpion41 posted...

gbpxl posted...

scorpion41 posted...

You cant unless you restrict the 2A, unconstitutional, or have them consent to a medical background check.

Why do you act as if the Constitution is sacrosanct?

The Bill of Rights havent been screwed with for good reason: it sets a dangerous precedent. Alter the second? Lets change the first. Okay, now lets alter the fifth. And with identity politics driving our country it would cause a cluster fuck every time the next majority comes in. Interpretation by justices on the Supreme Court is one thing, but a total change would be disastrous.

My friend, the 2nd amendment was put into place because the U.S. did not have a standing army at the time. Now that we have one, you can see why it might not be necessary...

So after the US established a military, why didnt we just go ahead and ditch it?

I'm no historian so I'm not going to pretend to be able to answer that, I just know that the revolutionary war was fought between redcoats and militiamen who didn't even have a uniform. without the 2nd amendment in place, they may not have been able to fight the British army.
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YellowSUV posted...

If someone explicitly says they are going to kill someone that should be looked into.

What should they do after it's been looked into?
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metralo posted...

so you guys want the internet to be heavily regulated and watched over by the fbi every second of the day? trolling is a federal offense?

When trolling is in the form of "I am going to shoot up a school," it's an offense.

I'd love it if the FBI was doing that. Whatever one says in an comment section is akin to saying it on a street corner. Everyone is there to read or hear it.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_High_School_shooting

On December 7, 2017, gunfire erupted at Aztec High School in Aztec, New Mexico, United States. The shooter, 21-year-old William Atchison, a former student at the school, killed two students in a classroom, and then committed suicide.

William Edward Atchison (1996[170] December 7, 2017) lived in Aztec with his parents, and was a former student at Aztec High School, but did not graduate. He worked at a local gas station. When Atchison entered Aztec High School on December 7, 2017 at approximately 8:04 a.m., he was "disguised as a student", and carrying a backpack with a Glock 9 mm semi-automatic pistol inside.[171] Atchison was investigated by the FBI in March 2016 due to posts he had made on an online forum indicating that he was planning a shooting, but was not charged because he had not committed a crime and did not own a gun at the time. He legally bought the pistol used in the attack in November 2017.[172][173]

Atchison's online activity included posting pro-Hitler and pro-Trump thoughts on alt-right websites like The Daily Stormer under such usernames as "Future Mass Shooter" and "Adam Lanza", and joking about school shootings, in particular the Columbine High School massacre. He also posted about his frustration with life in rural New Mexico and bleak career prospects.[174][175]

At the shooter's home a schedule for the killings was found, with the last entry being "8:00 a.m. die". He also had a thumb drive on his person with the same schedule. He had no criminal history; however, he was investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 2016 when he had asked on an internet forum "where to find cheap assault rifles for a mass shooting". The shooter told the FBI that he was simply trolling, and thereafter the FBI dropped the matter.[176][177]

The incident led to 3 deaths, 2 by murder and 1 by suicide.
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scorpion41 posted...

gbpxl posted...

scorpion41 posted...

You cant unless you restrict the 2A, unconstitutional, or have them consent to a medical background check.

Why do you act as if the Constitution is sacrosanct?

The Bill of Rights havent been screwed with for good reason: it sets a dangerous precedent. Alter the second? Lets change the first. Okay, now lets alter the fifth. And with identity politics driving our country it would cause a cluster fuck every time the next majority comes in. Interpretation by justices on the Supreme Court is one thing, but a total change would be disastrous.

My friend, the 2nd amendment was put into place because the U.S. did not have a standing army at the time. Now that we have one, you can see why it might not be necessary...
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Funbazooka posted...

gbpxl posted...

Funbazooka posted...

gbpxl posted...

Sparksfanboy posted...

This girl has more courage in her pinkie finger than all the people who voted for Trump combined.

yeah definately. it sure seems that the older generation has taken a "well theres nothing we can do" approach but for people who have lived with mass shootings their entire life, it's a fight they're willing to take up

She doesn't speak for the younger generation. There's a new wave/movement of young conservatives.

yup, ignorance, self-centeredness and stupidity has found its way to the youth of America but by and large most young people identify as Dem or independent. hell even libertarians have a bigger following than the Republicans (albeit the latter 2 arent a great deal different) but the Republican party is dead/dying

You may likely be right that more of the youth identify as Dem instead of Republican. I think there's truth in the cliche about people turning more conservative with age and wisdom. As far as Independents go, I'm independent and plan on staying that way and I voted Trump.

Anyway, the alt-right is ill-defined but it's largely a youth movement and the left-wing is plenty threatened by that youthful surge. It's bit of a change-up in the political landscape. The point is that, your personal opinions aside, this isn't an older generation vs younger generation struggle.

How many alt-right non-whites can you name? If you struggle to think of any then... you can understand why I don't see them as a legitimate voice of reason.
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scorpion41 posted...

You cant unless you restrict the 2A, unconstitutional, or have them consent to a medical background check.

Why do you act as if the Constitution is sacrosanct?
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Link HT posted...

gbpxl posted...

Spooking posted...

We can't have knee-jerk reaction laws get pass. Thankfully, congress doesn't act on knee-jerk reactions.

bull fucking shit! after 9/11 happened, they decided unanimously to bomb the fucking shit out of Afghanistan (and later Iraq), without even discussing it with other countries and ultimately leaving a million+ dead, when none of the hijackers were even from Iraq to begin with, so don't start with me on the knee-jerk crap

I mean, that's true and all, but US intelligence knew even back then they had nothing to do with 9/11, it was literally just an excuse to invade.

glad we're out of that f'n hell hole. it's going to be a broken country until everyone there stops worshiping the God of their choice and instead worships the planet they live on together.
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scorpion41 posted...

gbpxl posted...

Darmik posted...

scorpion41 posted...

Darmik posted...

scorpion41 posted...

Guns have existed since before the nation was founded. These shootings have only become an issue in the past 20 years. If you think this is a gun issue then I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you...

Err they were a pretty big issue in the 60's...

Nope, but nice try...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year

1965 Highway 101 sniper attack
University of Texas massacre
University of Texas tower shooting
Orangeburg massacre
and of course;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy

and none of those could have happened with a knife.

So unresolved mental issues were the cause then, like they are now? Not guns everyone like TC is trying to make people believe?

there's always going to be crazy people out there. you can't simply ask everyone who seems whacko to put on a straitjacket and walk to the nearest looney bin. these people will always exist and are going to commit acts of violence. the thing we can control is what kind of weapons they have at their disposal
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ninjarobot_22 posted...

https://youtu.be/m_SQJDl67QQ?t=3m24s

great message
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Funbazooka posted...

gbpxl posted...

Sparksfanboy posted...

This girl has more courage in her pinkie finger than all the people who voted for Trump combined.

yeah definately. it sure seems that the older generation has taken a "well theres nothing we can do" approach but for people who have lived with mass shootings their entire life, it's a fight they're willing to take up

She doesn't speak for the younger generation. There's a new wave/movement of young conservatives.

yup, ignorance, self-centeredness and stupidity has found its way to the youth of America but by and large most young people identify as Dem or independent. hell even libertarians have a bigger following than the Republicans (albeit the latter 2 arent a great deal different) but the Republican party is dead/dying
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Spooking posted...

We can't have knee-jerk reaction laws get pass. Thankfully, congress doesn't act on knee-jerk reactions.

bull fucking shit! after 9/11 happened, they decided unanimously to bomb the fucking shit out of Afghanistan (and later Iraq), without even discussing it with other countries and ultimately leaving a million+ dead, when none of the hijackers were even from Iraq to begin with, so don't start with me on the knee-jerk crap
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Darmik posted...

scorpion41 posted...

Darmik posted...

scorpion41 posted...

Guns have existed since before the nation was founded. These shootings have only become an issue in the past 20 years. If you think this is a gun issue then I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you...

Err they were a pretty big issue in the 60's...

Nope, but nice try...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year

1965 Highway 101 sniper attack
University of Texas massacre
University of Texas tower shooting
Orangeburg massacre
and of course;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy

and none of those could have happened with a knife.
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Sparksfanboy posted...

This girl has more courage in her pinkie finger than all the people who voted for Trump combined.

yeah definately. it sure seems that the older generation has taken a "well theres nothing we can do" approach but for people who have lived with mass shootings their entire life, it's a fight they're willing to take up
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scorpion41 posted...

Link HT posted...

I kinda like blaming mental health as the cause for shootings because anyone who says that's the real cause is basically saying america is severely more mentally damaged than the rest of the first world.

Weve resorted to treating every issue with psychotropic drugs, which may successfully control the primary issue, but creates new ones.

Paddock wasn't on drugs, neither was Omar Mateen
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Link HT posted...

I kinda like blaming mental health as the cause for shootings because anyone who says that's the real cause is basically saying america is severely more mentally damaged than the rest of the first world.

anyone whose first reaction to a mass shooting is "I need to buy more guns before the liberals outlaw them" has a mental illness
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scorpion41 posted...

Offworlder1 posted...

FL needs to have background checks as it sounds like they do NOT have them, andcthe person who bought the gun sounds like an under age minor. They should not have been legally allowed to sell or even willing to sell a rifle or gun of any sort to a high schooler.

FL needs some serious changes for gun buying, there is a reason they have you fill out forms and get checked before they will sell you anything in many states for a good reason.

I love guns but background checks, and paper work are something I agree with as no one with mental issues, a criminal background, or a juvie record of violence should ever have a gun.

You are required to undergo a background check buying through ANY licensed dealer. Its a federal law. Cruz bought it at 19, which is above the legal age to purchase long guns. The fact that he was still in school was irrelevant.

Health records are sealed by HIPAA and flagging mental health issues is actually a violation of that law, unless the buyer consents to releasing that information.

mental health isn't a good qualifier anyways. look at all the gangbangers and terrorists shooting each other. do they all have mental illnesses?
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Offworlder1 posted...

no one with mental issues, a criminal background, or a juvie record of violence should ever have a gun.

Stephen Paddock had none of those.

I don't think Andres Brevik did either.
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anyone know?
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DesuDeku posted...

Wait, there are places where you can buy guns without a permit? Why!?

It's Florida. same place where George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin. Republican state, go figure.
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tell that to Philando Castiel...

I hope that this gives more people the courage to speak out against guns, or at least what kind of effect they have on society.

I am talking about an outright ban altogether, on all types of firearms.

And why or why not?

TheCyborgNinja posted...

The issue is so politicized and both sides are guilty of manipulating the facts to sound better for their own agenda. If it were possible to find an unbiased oversight committee to weigh in on gun violence and present everything clearly with in-depth statistics that were irrefutable, and everyone magically agreed to shut up and honor the findings, there may be a resolution. That'll never happen though.

I understand where both sides are coming from though, at least with certain points, but there will be no gun control without replacing the government in a coup. To the decent people with firearms, it's like getting a game full of shoddy DRM code to stop pirates, who find workarounds anyway... Where I change gears on the issue is that it's really fucking hard to go on a killing spree wielding a video game, so you can't treat it as carelessly.

I like the way Canada handles gun control. My dad had a bunch of guns (he sold them because they never got used), and some of my friends have several (mainly for hunting). Gun-related homicides here are almost entirely bad guys killing each other so nobody really cares. The odd time it spills over, there's hell to pay.

There was a recent thing in the news about how these drunk thugs were on a crime spree out in the country, with a loaded gun, and one got his head blown off confronting a guy defending his family. The natives are all crying racism that the guy was found not guilty of murder by a jury, and King Dicknose (Trudeau) pulled a Trump and questioned the validity of the verdict, well outside his bounds. The guy was a fucking scumbag, but it's harder to admit that among his family/friends/SJWs... If he didn't have a weapon, he'd have been the victim of another crime they were committing along their travels that day. No police are close enough to help. If guns were banned outright, he or his loved ones could've been shot rather than the person that apparently deserved to be.

if guns were banned, how would those drunk thugs have gotten guns?

There's a lot of arguments in which one could make the case that society needs to change for the .01% or so of people affected by whatever issue. If that weren't true, they wouldn't have made the bathroom thing such a big deal.

Smarkil posted...

gbpxl posted...

Smarkil posted...

gbpxl posted...

being exceedingly rare doesn't matter much to someone whose child's brains were just scattered across the classroom floor, does it?

You could use this argument for literally anything up to and including things that are false.

I agree.

So are you accepting that it's a terrible argument?

No.

Smarkil posted...

gbpxl posted...

being exceedingly rare doesn't matter much to someone whose child's brains were just scattered across the classroom floor, does it?

You could use this argument for literally anything up to and including things that are false.

I agree.

Mead posted...

gbpxl posted...

Mead posted...

gbpxl posted...

Mead posted...

Despite what you see in the news, America is safer than it has been in many decades

Wrong. FBI statistics report that the amount of mass shootings has increased.

What if I told you that there are many other types of violence?

I don't know where you're going with that but I'm old enough to remember a time when there weren't 2-3 high-profile mass shootings on the nightly news every year. And this is only going back 15-20 years.

Those are awful, but even today do you think the number of people killed in mass shootings comes anywhere close to the number of homicides, rape, and violent assault?

You might hear about high profile shootings on a regular basis but theyre also exceedingly rare given the sheer number of people in this country alone.

being exceedingly rare doesn't matter much to someone whose child's brains were just scattered across the classroom floor, does it?

Mead posted...

gbpxl posted...

Mead posted...

Despite what you see in the news, America is safer than it has been in many decades

Wrong. FBI statistics report that the amount of mass shootings has increased.

What if I told you that there are many other types of violence?

I don't know where you're going with that but I'm old enough to remember a time when there weren't 2-3 high-profile mass shootings on the nightly news every year. And this is only going back 15-20 years.

ModLogic posted...

scorpion41 posted...

gbpxl posted...

Sayoria posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Sayoria posted...

Laws now wouldn't have prevented it, but laws now could aid in preventing future ones.

What laws could have prevented this, while still being Constitutional?

I know. Trust me. I hate guns more than many others and will never touch one, but I believe in the Constitution. I simply wish the Second Amendment never existed but since it does, then I know the rights to guns is there.

I'll never be a fan of them. Ever.

The Constitution originally allowed for slavery- that was changed. The 2nd amendment can be changed, or eliminated as well.

If the founding fathers knew what was happening today and what they allowed to happen, they'd be rolling in their graves.

Except owning a firearm doesnt violate human rights, owning a slave did.

baby genital mutilation is violating human rights but america never actually gives a shit about human rights

Owning a weapon that can obliterate a classroom of children in 30 seconds isn't a violation of human rights but I don't want people to have access to that. Something bad could happen...

_Kaz posted...

@gbpxl posted...

vegan

McDonald's has vegan options.

Apple turnovers, chips & hash browns (some regions deep-fry them in vegetable shortening), oatmeal and pancakes (no whipped cream), vegetarian patties ("seasonal"), garden salads and peeled fruit... but, you're making the better choice not eating there.

I have never seen vegan beef patties if thats what you mean

HagenEx posted...

WarGreymon77 posted...

Golden Road posted...

Most mass murderers aren't mentally ill (and I don't think it's been confirmed whether or not yesterday's shooter was), so that's not going to help all that much.

Well in order to commit murder, your brain needs to have something broken in it.

HeyImAlex posted...

Golden Road posted...

Most mass murderers aren't mentally ill (and I don't think it's been confirmed whether or not yesterday's shooter was), so that's not going to help all that much.

I'd say you would have to be mentally ill to commit a mass murder.

Not really, no. All you need is purpose (hate) and the means (weapons).

Man has been killing man since forever. It's in our nature, it's just been dormant due to cultural evolution and social constructs.

I don't think the Vegas shooter was mentally ill. he probably wouldn't have been able to do what he did without a gun. building a bomb is not exactly easy, and someone would catch on by the time he finishes it.

Mead posted...

Despite what you see in the news, America is safer than it has been in many decades

Wrong. FBI statistics report that the amount of mass shootings has increased.

I believe that the culture of being too soft on the criminally insane as well as the sick obsession with guns has created the mess we are in today.

KazGT6 posted...

I don't believe that any of the mass shooters recently have used guns that were not legally bought

Red Lake Minnesota, 2005

I won't eat at McDonalds until they put up a vegan menu item.

Fucking melt em all down.

giantblimpN7 posted...

gbpxl posted...

giantblimpN7 posted...

But what about cats? No one seems to eat cats, what's up with that?

I saw a video of a homeless woman in Venezuela eating a cat.

Sounds like she has the right idea

yeah a country whose GDP drops by 97% and whose government leaders retain a life of luxury has to make some tough choices

GiftedACIII posted...

I'm ok with both as long as they were prepared humanely. I'm not gonna eat a dog myself though

There's no way to end a life humanely. The act of killing is inhumane.

giantblimpN7 posted...

But what about cats? No one seems to eat cats, what's up with that?

I saw a video of a homeless woman in Venezuela eating a cat.

I'm vegan, so I don't eat either one. I value all animal life equally, until it tries to do me harm.

Joe Kennedy

Sayoria posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Sayoria posted...

Laws now wouldn't have prevented it, but laws now could aid in preventing future ones.

What laws could have prevented this, while still being Constitutional?

I know. Trust me. I hate guns more than many others and will never touch one, but I believe in the Constitution. I simply wish the Second Amendment never existed but since it does, then I know the rights to guns is there.

I'll never be a fan of them. Ever.

The Constitution originally allowed for slavery- that was changed. The 2nd amendment can be changed, or eliminated as well.

If the founding fathers knew what was happening today and what they allowed to happen, they'd be rolling in their graves.