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COVxy posted...

averagejoel posted...

a trans person does not become cis once they transition and eliminate that dysphoria. they are still trans.

You understand how your wording is deliberately misleading though, right? Like this is almost certainly not what you meant when you first posted it, moreover the second half of your post:
averagejoel posted...

nonbinary and otherwise gender non-conforming people, many of whom do not experience gender dysphoria, are also lumped under the "trans" umbrella

Which is more or less nonsense. I mean, if you've never experience gender dysphoria, you are likely not trans, you simply like a particular gender role/expression better. It's the type of shit that people who don't understand transgenderism tend to think transgenderism is. "Just cause you're a girl and you like football, doesn't make you a man." Like, that's not transgenderism, and when you are uniformly accepting like this, you hurt progress for people with a real condition.

so let me get this straight:

you're trying to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to transgender issues

and in the same post, you say "transgenderism"

is this satire?
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I'm... skeptical of that article

partly because it says "augmentation" twice instead of "reduction"
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wow, what a great poll that is clearly not weighted in favour of the wrong side
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being non-neurotypical isn't necessarily a disease, and this discussion is starting dangerously close to the territory of eugenics

edit: now that I've read the rest of the topic, I wish I hadn't. this is eugenics.
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electricbugs2 posted...

Nope just want you to stop posting bs.

that's exactly what someone would say if they were mad
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electricbugs2 posted...

averagejoel posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Banjo2553 posted...

Wedge Antilles posted...

It was a funny meme that the internet overdid to the point where it lost its humor in a few short days.

That's basically every meme, unfortunately.

Nah, some hold up very well

But most of them aren't the obnoxious ones like Ugandan Knuckles

and a lot of them aren't explicitly racist

Christ, just shut up.

you sound mad
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Banjo2553 posted...

Wedge Antilles posted...

It was a funny meme that the internet overdid to the point where it lost its humor in a few short days.

That's basically every meme, unfortunately.

Nah, some hold up very well

But most of them aren't the obnoxious ones like Ugandan Knuckles

and a lot of them aren't explicitly racist
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oh, one that I've been looking through lately:

Neurotribes: The Legacy of Autism and the Future of Neurodiversity by Steve Silberman

it's really good and informative
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COVxy posted...

averagejoel posted...

gender dysphoria is common among transgender people, but it's not a defining characteristic

Without gender dysphoria, how would anyone know that there's an issue?

It makes no sense. As someone who is not transgendered, I have no sense of my gender. None at all.

a trans person does not become cis once they transition and eliminate that dysphoria. they are still trans.

there are also many trans people who are comfortable with their bodies being the way they are, and do not want to transition. they are still trans.

nonbinary and otherwise gender non-conforming people, many of whom do not experience gender dysphoria, are also lumped under the "trans" umbrella
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COVxy posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Okay. Let's suppose you break a leg. We treat it. Set the bone, cast, keep elevated and treated, pills for infection, and it heals. You have a nifty little scar from the accident that caused it.

Yes, the person who broke their bone had a broken bone at one point. A person who is transgendered had gender dysphoria at some point.

Saying 'not all transgendered individuals experience gender dysphoria' simply gives people the idea that people are just bullshitting about their 'gender'.

gender dysphoria is common among transgender people, but it's not a defining characteristic
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fenderbender321 posted...

averagejoel posted...

smoliske posted...

Antifar posted...

Just for future reference, generally "transgendered" is avoided in favor of "transgender." An adjective, not a verb.

Thanks for the education lesson on the appropriate grammar of how to refer to transgender individuals, we're all better off under your tutelage.

if people on here would listen to actual transgender people and take a couple simple steps to educate themselves about pertinent issues, this wouldn't be necessary

We all learn it the same way. We say "transgendered" and then somebody says "whoa dude, don't say that...say transgender", and then we say "alrighty. Transgender. I like it."

I may have misinterpreted smoliske's post, but I read it as sarcastic
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smoliske posted...

Antifar posted...

Just for future reference, generally "transgendered" is avoided in favor of "transgender." An adjective, not a verb.

Thanks for the education lesson on the appropriate grammar of how to refer to transgender individuals, we're all better off under your tutelage.

if people on here would listen to actual transgender people and take a couple simple steps to educate themselves about pertinent issues, this wouldn't be necessary
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for the history of the English Language, you should probably read:
-Beowulf
-at least a couple of the Canterbury Tales
-some of the King James Bible
-a few Shakespeare plays (the four Great tragedies - Hamlet, MacBeth, Othello, and King Lear - are good, but he also has some great comedies that tend to get overlooked in favour of those)

also lol don't read Jordan Peterson
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I worked security throughout my university years, and that included a lot of hockey games. they had someone sing O Canada before each one
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50Blessings posted...

Cause he's secretly a James Bond villain and always has been.

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Ki_cat_ posted...

Living situation? I think as a renter, rent shouldn't take up more than 40% of the total income of the house.

the general suggestion is actually 25%
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it's extremely normal that so many angsty 20-somethings have such a huge hard-on for this dude who tells them to stand up straight and clean their room in the voice of Kermit the Frog. extremely normal
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seconding Radiolab and 99% Invisible

adding Chapo Trap House to the mix - it's like if Joe Rogan made fun of the shitty people instead of having them on his show
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he does love karate
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

That's because they were slaves. >_> The only thing that could meaningfully improve their lives was emancipation

correct.

there's a reason the term "wage slavery" exists

Did machines improve the lives of all the people who needed to buy clothing?

I don't particularly care. my point was about the people producing the good and didn't have anything to do with the consumer.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

averagejoel posted...

the invention of more advanced cotton picking tools didn't actually improve the lives of the slaves who did the picking - it only made their owners richer. these advances might make some small difference in the lives of the working class, but largely it will be the same under capitalism - the people who need that wealth the least will gain the most from it

That might have been true within the American south microcosm until cotton picking tools became the de facto standard in cotton picking as a whole. At which point the costs dropped since cotton picking was a very labor intensive process. When costs dropped, new competitors could undercut the established entities by offering cotton and cotton-products at a lower price to consumers.

Offering a good or a service at a lower price is common within capitalism. And the technology that allows people to gain more wealth is ultimately what ends up being a boon for humanity in general. See: clothing and smartphones in 2018.

ok

it still didn't improve the lives of the slaves who were actually doing the work
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the invention of more advanced cotton picking tools didn't actually improve the lives of the slaves who did the picking - it only made their owners richer. these advances might make some small difference in the lives of the working class, but largely it will be the same under capitalism - the people who need that wealth the least will gain the most from it
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

@averagejoel

Curious on your thoughts on this.

the US government in general, and Trump's in particular, has an awful track record for policies that benefit the people (both in the US and internationally). he's just centralizing power.

it's a bit of an "out of the frying pan/into the fire" situation here
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scar the 1 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

EDIT: Sorry, poor reading on my part. You actually think that the only way for artists to be activists is through their art. I get it. I just disagree.

No, I am not saying that. But if they have a loud voice in their music and completely choose not use that for their activism, then it makes me wonder if they are truly sincere when they do it elsewhere. I mean, getting a hit that is all over the place with a message is more powerful than a 5 minute speech when claiming an award. Also, it seems to be the hip thing to do to pretend like you care in that 5 minute. Maybe some do, but you gotta admit it is a fad.

Eminem actually had a good idea when he tried to make songs to reflect his activism.

If the activism is limited to the five minute speech at an awards ceremony, then yeah sure. Otherwise, I still disagree. Political music is not popular - they might not be able to reach nearly as many listeners with their activism if they hadn't built their platform on pop music.

there's lots of political music that's popular. it's part of almost all rap music from the super underground stuff to Jay Z
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Arguably the greatest singer of our generation (Adele, fucking deal with it.) doesn't sing about any of that.

lol

Adele is not the greatest singer of any generation. not even close.
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Who the fuck call laundry sauce 'detergent'? Ok mr scientist lmao
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ProtoManSPx posted...

I checked the site and found them lolololol

what was the topic title? I seem to remember the phrase "serene backgrounds" but nothing really showed up for that
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ProtoManSPx posted...

averagejoel posted...

ProtoManSPx posted...

ilovuu posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

Infinite 2003 posted...

You should hear how a lot of non whites talk about white women

For real.

Everyone seems to completely skip over this one and talk about how awful Asian fetishes are.

weapon we all remember that post you made

normally I would forgive you but you keep making posts like this

Those pics Amputation made of weapon's quotes were amazing

I wish I had saved them

I'm looking for the topic on That Site but I can't seem to find it

It's probably too far back in time. That was many months ago

I'm looking at the imgur post for one that I did, and it says it was posted 3 months ago. there are posts going back to 16 September. so it's definitely close
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ProtoManSPx posted...

ilovuu posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

Infinite 2003 posted...

You should hear how a lot of non whites talk about white women

For real.

Everyone seems to completely skip over this one and talk about how awful Asian fetishes are.

weapon we all remember that post you made

normally I would forgive you but you keep making posts like this

Those pics Amputation made of weapon's quotes were amazing

I wish I had saved them

I'm looking for the topic on That Site but I can't seem to find it
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White Power Bill: WHITE POWER! *stabs Gob in the side*
Gob [collapsing]: I'm... white...
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not in the slightest
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if I believed in the things he said and did, I would certainly support him
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scar the 1 posted...

Isn't that quite close to a socialist's take as well? Only that they would add "so far". Correct me if I'm wrong averagejoel, but isn't that the idea? That economic systems have replaced one another with "better" ones, and they predict that socialism/communism/w/e will replace capitalism eventually?
If so, it's an elegant parallel to e.g, Kuhnian epistemology.

yes, that's exactly right

also, Fluffy: I fully intend to respond, but I'm busy, so it will take some time.
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cats are carnivores
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hockeybub89 posted...

-Gavirulax- posted...

Forgettable posted...

What's the better alternative?

They never seem to have a reasonable one, lol.

Pay people better?

A stronger safety net or a universal basic income can exist without a society becoming communist Russia or some shit. America has never been a pure capitalistic society and never will be as that would be a hellhole. Most people seem to indeed want a hybrid society borrowing from many ideas, but loud jokers like to scream at each other about how they want to ruin the world and kill everyone.

Spoiler alert: We're never going to be pure anything, so let's all shut the fuck up about it and instead do the impossible. Try to have a reasonable discussion and improve society.

UBI will not fix the problem. read this

https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/universal-basic-income-is-a-neoliberal-plot-to-make-you-poorer/
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Sativa_Rose posted...

If you want to see what non-capitalist societies look like, check out Cuba

I know. that embargo and those sanctions really did a number on their economy, didn't they? and all those assassination attempts on their leader really did a good job of making him paranoid and forcing him to consolidate power too.
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REMercsChamp posted...

What's the point? That everyone can't have a mansion and a Lamborghini? Cry me a river dude.

if I rolled my eyes any harder, both of my corneas would detach. don't make shit up and pretend that this addresses anything I said
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Drpooplol posted...

averagejoel posted...

Drpooplol posted...

butthole666 posted...

Drpooplol posted...

averagejoel posted...

0TiamaT0 posted...

There are plenty of entry-level jobs out there that dont have anything to do with fast food, but will get you (eventually) to $15/hr.

The company I work for has a factory that starts new hires at $12/hr. They post a very large sign when they need new people - its facing an incredibly busy street at a four-corner stop light.

This is no experience needed work. We still have to hire through a temp-agency, because so few people come in and apply.

Too many people today want things handed to them, rather than even doing the bare minimum to do it for themselves.

ok? shitty jobs still exist, and some people are still forced to choose between working those jobs and starving to death

Oh no, people have to work to support themselves, we truly live in terrible times.

People have to work to support themselves and are still unable to support themselves working 60 hours a week.

Many many many more people can.

The average US rent is $1234/month.

For rent to cost less than a quarter of income, as suggested, you'd need to make $4924 a month.

At 40 hours a week, that's $30.77/hr.

The federal minimum wage is $7.25/hr

I would be real concerned if the number of workers earning minimum wage or less made up more than 3.3% of all hourly workers

cool. this didn't address my point at all
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REMercsChamp posted...

averagejoel posted...

0TiamaT0 posted...

averagejoel posted...

0TiamaT0 posted...

There are plenty of entry-level jobs out there that dont have anything to do with fast food, but will get you (eventually) to $15/hr.

The company I work for has a factory that starts new hires at $12/hr. They post a very large sign when they need new people - its facing an incredibly busy street at a four-corner stop light.

This is no experience needed work. We still have to hire through a temp-agency, because so few people come in and apply.

Too many people today want things handed to them, rather than even doing the bare minimum to do it for themselves.

ok? shitty jobs still exist, and some people are still forced to choose between working those jobs and starving to death

What does this have to do with anything Ive said?

The concept is simple:

If you want a better job, go out and find one. If you dont want to put in the effort to do so, dont cry about it.

someone still has to do those jobs

Yep, and those will be the guys who don't bother applying themselves to get better jobs. The system works itself out.

honestly, the extent to which you're able to miss the point here is pretty spectacular
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0TiamaT0 posted...

averagejoel posted...

0TiamaT0 posted...

There are plenty of entry-level jobs out there that dont have anything to do with fast food, but will get you (eventually) to $15/hr.

The company I work for has a factory that starts new hires at $12/hr. They post a very large sign when they need new people - its facing an incredibly busy street at a four-corner stop light.

This is no experience needed work. We still have to hire through a temp-agency, because so few people come in and apply.

Too many people today want things handed to them, rather than even doing the bare minimum to do it for themselves.

ok? shitty jobs still exist, and some people are still forced to choose between working those jobs and starving to death

What does this have to do with anything Ive said?

The concept is simple:

If you want a better job, go out and find one. If you dont want to put in the effort to do so, dont cry about it.

someone still has to do those jobs
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Drpooplol posted...

butthole666 posted...

Drpooplol posted...

averagejoel posted...

0TiamaT0 posted...

There are plenty of entry-level jobs out there that dont have anything to do with fast food, but will get you (eventually) to $15/hr.

The company I work for has a factory that starts new hires at $12/hr. They post a very large sign when they need new people - its facing an incredibly busy street at a four-corner stop light.

This is no experience needed work. We still have to hire through a temp-agency, because so few people come in and apply.

Too many people today want things handed to them, rather than even doing the bare minimum to do it for themselves.

ok? shitty jobs still exist, and some people are still forced to choose between working those jobs and starving to death

Oh no, people have to work to support themselves, we truly live in terrible times.

People have to work to support themselves and are still unable to support themselves working 60 hours a week.

Many many many more people can.

The average US rent is $1234/month.

For rent to cost less than a quarter of income, as suggested, you'd need to make $4924 a month.

At 40 hours a week, that's $30.77/hr.

The federal minimum wage is $7.25/hr
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0TiamaT0 posted...

There are plenty of entry-level jobs out there that dont have anything to do with fast food, but will get you (eventually) to $15/hr.

The company I work for has a factory that starts new hires at $12/hr. They post a very large sign when they need new people - its facing an incredibly busy street at a four-corner stop light.

This is no experience needed work. We still have to hire through a temp-agency, because so few people come in and apply.

Too many people today want things handed to them, rather than even doing the bare minimum to do it for themselves.

ok? shitty jobs still exist, and some people are still forced to choose between working those jobs and starving to death
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ilovuu posted...

averagejoel posted...

ilovuu posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

ilovuu posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Not without the context of TCW

so it just happened out of nowhere then

bad writing

That...isn't how writing works.

no if it wasn't foreshadowed it's bad writing.

a major plot twist like that needs to be foreshadowed

it's not really a plot twist

even without the context of Clone Wars, it's pretty clear that there's something fishy going on with the clones: a massive army, ordered by a dude who died 10 years previously, shows up just as the republic is in need of an army.

not to mention that tons of people came into Attack of the Clones/Revenge of the Sith having seen the Original Trilogy, where the clones are decidedly bad guys. there's also the issue of there being very few remaining Jedi in the OT (basically just Obi-Wan and Yoda) while it's clear in AotC that there are lots and lots of Jedi. obviously something major happened between those two points - Darth Vader being known in the first place as a Jedi Hunter suggests that there were relatively few stragglers.

so Order 66 wasn't foreshadowed specifically, but it was pretty clear that something was going to happen that would result in a lot of Jedi being killed

ok see this is a decent explanation. but stormtroopers are not clones

not all stormtroopers were clones, but the vast majority still wore the same armour. that visual is all that's really needed
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ilovuu posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

ilovuu posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Not without the context of TCW

so it just happened out of nowhere then

bad writing

That...isn't how writing works.

no if it wasn't foreshadowed it's bad writing.

a major plot twist like that needs to be foreshadowed

it's not really a plot twist

even without the context of Clone Wars, it's pretty clear that there's something fishy going on with the clones: a massive army, ordered by a dude who died 10 years previously, shows up just as the republic is in need of an army.

not to mention that tons of people came into Attack of the Clones/Revenge of the Sith having seen the Original Trilogy, where the clones are decidedly bad guys. there's also the issue of there being very few remaining Jedi in the OT (basically just Obi-Wan and Yoda) while it's clear in AotC that there are lots and lots of Jedi. obviously something major happened between those two points - Darth Vader being known in the first place as a Jedi Hunter suggests that there were relatively few stragglers.

so Order 66 wasn't foreshadowed specifically, but it was pretty clear that something was going to happen that would result in a lot of Jedi being killed
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don't do this
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DevsBro posted...

they generally have more than one camera going at once. it's not all that bad to splice it together if all the cameras are recording the same thing

Longer takes, and they just switch cameras in editing? Makes sense. Still, acting long takes is hard too.

if they hire actual musical actors, this is basically a non-issue
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they generally have more than one camera going at once. it's not all that bad to splice it together if all the cameras are recording the same thing
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...

When they stop seeing themselves as objects or walking tits and ass, maybe every body else will follow suit. Looking at every pic on FB and Instagram.... I dont see it changing

is this satire
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gunplagirl posted...

averagejoel posted...

50Blessings posted...

Doesn't peak till people start modding games/creating levels to make the memes.

I'm sure there has got to be a Skyrim one out there.

the Metal Gear one is amazing

That's the one with a clip of real life burger making, right?

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50Blessings posted...

Doesn't peak till people start modding games/creating levels to make the memes.

I'm sure there has got to be a Skyrim one out there.

the Metal Gear one is amazing
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