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| Topic | Proper noun ends in S. You're trying to use the possessive. |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 5:42:50 PM #5 | both are correct, but I tend to use the version with just the apostrophe --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is gentrification a bad thing? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 5:42:05 PM #9 | people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad. --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 5:40:35 PM #127 | COVxy posted... I mean, do you have any evidence of that at all? It seems that those who go through early ABA fair better on almost all outcome measures, including metrics of adaptive behavior and IQ, which if it were torture, you wouldn't predict. it's not really relevant if they do better on the outcome measures, because a major part of the problem is that the outcome measures themselves are flawed. they're basically measuring how well an autistic person can pretend to be neurotypical. if you punish typical autistic behaviours and reward neurotypical ones, of course you're going to see results in that respect. COVxy posted... How so? I mean, ABA is literally just taking the basic science of learning and applying it to shape behavior. In almost any case of treatment, there's going to be some form of ABA, even if it is implicit. admittedly I don't know that much about TEACCH, but the stuff that I've seen suggests that their methodology and goals are much better than ABA. I've also heard good things about Floortime. --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 4:33:31 PM #125 | Esrac posted... averagejoel posted...COVxy posted...averagejoel posted...far more often, the behaviour has no negative effects other than embarrassing the kid's mother in public. there is another option that you're not considering --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 4:29:56 PM #124 | COVxy posted... averagejoel posted...I never said that, or anything that suggested that. please don't put words in my mouth. in that case, let me be quite clear: the majority of typical autistic mannerisms are perfectly fine and do not harm anyone. the ones that aren't do not merit ABA, which is abusive. there are ways of teaching autistic children that do not involve ABA. you should try reading stuff by actual autistic people who are informed about these issues, because, as exhibited in this topic, there are very few neurotypicals who get it. Tyranthraxus posted... no it's literally the opposite of cool my point was that I don't care. --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 4:17:13 PM #120 | COVxy posted... averagejoel posted...far more often, the behaviour has no negative effects other than embarrassing the kid's mother in public. I never said that, or anything that suggested that. please don't put words in my mouth. --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 4:10:26 PM #117 | Tyranthraxus posted... averagejoel posted...COVxy posted...Except the behavior often either harms them or prevents them from performing everyday tasks, things as simple as brushing their teeth. cool. --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 4:05:46 PM #115 | COVxy posted... Except the behavior often either harms them or prevents them from performing everyday tasks, things as simple as brushing their teeth. far more often, the behaviour has no negative effects other than embarrassing the kid's mother in public. --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 3:43:50 PM #112 | COVxy posted... That is not the current state of the literature, no. the term "aspergers" is literally named after a eugenicist It's based on things like "there's a reduction of this behavior that is either harmful or debilitating." you're overly invested in characterizing every typical autistic behaviour as harmful or debilitating to thereby invalidate the experiences of actual autistic people. see? I can do this too --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 3:13:22 PM #110 | COVxy posted... averagejoel posted...ok, seriously, read the first 20 pages of Neurotribes and it'll sort you out I'm not pretending autistic people are "just like" anyone else - they aren't even "just like" each other. I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from. autistic people are not lesser than neurotypicals, but that doesn't mean they're the same. the history of "treatment" of autism is a lot like the history of "treatment" of homosexuality - it just causes more severe issues in the "treated" individuals. it doesn't help. most of the science surrounding autism is literally based on eugenics, so this should not be surprising. the whole methodology of determining whether ABA was "successful" or not is extremely centered on neurotypicals interacting with autistic people, rather than on the autistic people themselves. it's based on things like "this person stopped flapping their hands and embarrassing me in public, so that means this treatment must have worked." --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 2:20:35 PM #108 | COVxy posted... And this is just the original point I was talking about. You dislike them primarily because they view autism as a disorder rather than an individual difference (which, I reiterate, is ridiculous and dangerous). ok, seriously, read the first 20 pages of Neurotribes and it'll sort you out --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | has anyone ever said that your SO is too good for you? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 1:55:18 PM #5 | no I don't receive many comments about my hand --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 1:53:49 PM #105 | COVxy posted... averagejoel posted...you should try listening to autistic people. you might learn something well for one thing they don't have any autistic people on their board of directors fo another, they largely devote their funds to finding a "cure" for autism when it could be better spent providing assistance to autistic people and their families. also, side note: the majority of autistic people prefer identity-first --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 1:47:56 PM #104 | foreverzero212 posted... averagejoel posted...foreverzero212 posted...Agreed. When I want to learn about a mental "disorder" I only listen to people with that mental "disorder." Disorder is just a social construct and doesn't exist. oh. I read your post as sarcastic. sorry --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 1:00:04 PM #101 | foreverzero212 posted... Agreed. When I want to learn about a mental "disorder" I only listen to people with that mental "disorder." Disorder is just a social construct and doesn't exist. great job putting things into my mouth that I never said. there's tons of scientific literature about autism that's written by autistic people - Steve Silberman's Neurotribes is an excellent place to start --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 12:11:35 PM #99 | COVxy posted... averagejoel posted...that's far from the only reason you should try listening to autistic people. you might learn something --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 12:02:42 PM #97 | COVxy posted... averagejoel posted...Autism Speaks is a shitty organization that doesn't actually do anything to help autistic people that's far from the only reason --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 11:55:39 AM #95 | C7D posted... averagejoel posted...C7D posted...averagejoel posted...C7D posted...averagejoel posted...C7D posted...Is it better to leave them locked in a padded room or to let them kill themselves? Honest question... yeah I'm not sure about NAA, but Autism Speaks is a shitty organization that doesn't actually do anything to help autistic people --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 11:29:23 AM #93 | C7D posted... averagejoel posted...C7D posted...averagejoel posted...C7D posted...Is it better to leave them locked in a padded room or to let them kill themselves? Honest question... was it an actual autism advocacy group, or was it Autism Speaks? because they are famously bad --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 11:19:23 AM #91 | C7D posted... averagejoel posted...C7D posted...Is it better to leave them locked in a padded room or to let them kill themselves? Honest question... they're not being fixed. read the thing i linked up there ^ --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 11:17:29 AM #90 | COVxy posted... averagejoel posted...COVxy posted...averagejoel posted...cool. ABA is abusive regardless of which behaviours they target The evidence regarding success rates of ABA is skewed. the autistic individual is not usually interviewed at the end of the treatment, the neurotypical parents are. So, a parent that can't stand their autistic kid can say "much improvement! They don't stim or embarrass me anymore!" Though the autistic child is suffering at higher rates from anxiety and often times PTSD. it's solely related to how traumatized a kid can be into acting neurotypical autistic people generally know that ABA is harmful. you should try listening to them directly instead of the people who put them through it --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 10:55:41 AM #85 | COVxy posted... averagejoel posted...cool. ABA is abusive regardless of which behaviours they target don't do this. it's disingenuous. you usually have a good track record for being reasonable. read the link i posted. educate yourself --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 10:51:08 AM #83 | C7D posted... Is it better to leave them locked in a padded room or to let them kill themselves? Honest question... false dichotomy. there are ways to help autistic people that do not involve leaving them "locked in a padded room" --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Fox disproves the pee tape once and for all |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 10:49:18 AM #3 | Chicken posted... pee tape? about a year ago, there was a rumour that Trump was into golden showers and that there was a video of him on the act --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 10:47:16 AM #81 | COVxy posted... And yet they are the core behavior that ABA targets, most often. cool. ABA is abusive regardless of which behaviours they target C7D posted... Oh wait... it actually works about 90% of the time. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/articles/self-harming-behavior-in-children-with-autism-can-electroconvulsive-therapy-help ABA is abuse, regardless of whether or not it works. it's not done to help autistic people; it's done for the convenience of neurotypicals --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 10:32:24 AM #78 | COVxy posted... averagejoel posted...this topic started out extremely close to eugenics, and arrived there within the first few posts self-harming behaviours are not what I was talking about. please don't pretend that they are the only behaviours typical of autistic people --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 10:30:12 AM #77 | C7D posted... At least they are doing something. Are their methods flawed? I dont know. I dont concern myself with them as they dont matter until they come up with something that works. Im betting they werent experimenting with kids without their parental consent. what do you mean you don't know? the guy who invented ABA literally used electroshock "therapy" to try and "cure" it and parents of autistic children are often shitty and abusive too, so "parental consent" is generally not an issue you should read the link i posted previously in this topic --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 10:24:08 AM #74 | COVxy posted... averagejoel posted...autism is not a disease, and attempts to find a "cure" have not ended well for autistic people, as I'm sure you know. this topic started out extremely close to eugenics, and arrived there within the first few posts --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Did Netflix change their rating system because of Amy Schumer? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 10:16:26 AM #12 | how was it changed? --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 10:14:59 AM #72 | C7D posted... averagejoel posted... ok? parents teaching their kids to do stuff is not at all the same as ABA, which was what I was talking about. also FYI "asperger's" is now called "high functioning autism", a label which has its own problems, but is better than labelling it as distinct from other autism spectrum disorders --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | I didn't get my first job until I was 21. |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 2:16:27 AM #8 | my first actual employment was as a museum curator when i was 18. a summer job after graduating high school. --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | ITT: Let's create the worst scenario imaginable in a video game. |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 2:07:48 AM #13 | the person you're escorting moves independently of you, slightly faster than your "slow" but significantly slower than your "fast" --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/02/18 1:48:14 AM #67 | Esrac posted... averagejoel posted...Esrac posted...averagejoel posted...Esrac posted...I have a young daughter with autism. She attends ABA therapy five days a week. autism is not a disease, and attempts to find a "cure" have not ended well for autistic people, as I'm sure you know. the "behavioral symptoms" are not problems. they're legitimate coping mechanisms, usually to deal with sensory overload. when deprived of these mechanisms, autistic people can be put in a great deal of distress. most autistic people who went through this stuff have PTSD or C-PTSD stemming from it. the fact that you want her to "perform" in society, rather than be appreciated for who she is, is an indication that you are part of the problem. there are plenty of autistic people who can be themselves and live ordinary lives. the important thing is making your household more accessible to her, rather than trying to change who she is (as I mentioned, you won't change who she is, and this disconnect causes actual mental health issues). this therapy is not done to help autistic people; it's to make neurotypical people feel better about themselves. I am autistic, and I am 100% confident that I'm more informed on these issues than you are. --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | The numbers are coming out: Very few ppl actually get $1000 ONE-TIME bonuses .. |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 11:27:15 PM #2 | they also laid off a huge number of their workers after announcing the bonus --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | ITT: I explain the basics of socialism |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 11:23:06 PM #179 | interesting article that I just found: if you use the methodology of the Black Book of Communism for the Great Depression, you get 7 million dead http://www.pravdareport.com/world/americas/19-05-2008/105255-famine-0/ --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | What would women do if dey were male for a day? |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 10:47:34 PM #5 | probably walk around at night with earbuds in --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | ITT: I explain the basics of socialism |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 10:45:25 PM #173 | essentially, your mindset is so far removed from anything that resembles socialist dialectics; so brainwashed by the current system to think that a better one is impossible, that I would have to impart several university courses' worth of material into your brain to adequately address it. a ton of your post was simply stating the way things function under capitalism as though that was an argument in favour of it. you don't seem to be capable of distinguishing between private property and personal property, which are extremely important concepts in socialist thought you made a point about how it's "unfair" to rich people to have the state seize their vacant homes to give to homeless people, making it pretty clear that you value money over people. (FYI I consider it immoral, if there are homeless people and vacant homes in an area, for that to NOT happen) you even somehow managed to spin Cuba's high literacy rate as a bad thing there's just too much disingenuous stuff coming from your end for me to merit a legitimate overall response --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | ITT: I explain the basics of socialism |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 10:24:28 PM #168 | FLUFFYGERM posted... averagejoel posted...FLUFFYGERM posted...1 dollar in my pocket is NOT 1 dollar less in your pocket. any wealth introduced into the system via this method would be offset ten times by the cost of the fuel used to get the drone to the moon in the first place --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | ITT: I explain the basics of socialism |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 10:17:42 PM #164 | FLUFFYGERM posted... 1 dollar in my pocket is NOT 1 dollar less in your pocket. not MY pocket, but SOMEONE's pocket. that money has to come from somewhere. --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | ITT: I explain the basics of socialism |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 10:11:20 PM #162 | FLUFFYGERM posted... TC did anything in this topic make you think that you were wrong or that you need more nuance in your positions? Just curious. a couple of them might require more nuance a big hang-up for me is that you think one dollar will just magically turn into a thousand dollars, that you think infinite wealth can be generated somehow because of this, and that you base your critique of socialism on this objectively incorrect line of reasoning. I'm legitimately not sure how to respond to your post knowing that you believe that --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 8:33:17 PM #64 | Esrac posted... averagejoel posted...Esrac posted...I have a young daughter with autism. She attends ABA therapy five days a week. it's basically dog training for humans. it won't "cure" your daughter's autism. it won't make her neurotypical. all it does is train her out of perfectly legitimate behaviours just because they're stigmatized as "weird". it's abuse "You see, you start pretty much from scratch when you work with an autistic child. You have a person in the physical sense - they have hair, a nose and a mouth - but they are not people in the psychological sense. One way to look at the job of helping autistic kids is to see it as a matter of constructing a person. You have the raw materials, but you have to build the person." -Ivar Lovaas, the founder of ABA Lovaas literally said that he didn't believe autistics were "as human" as neurotypicals, and supported the use of electroshock therapy on patients. this "therapy" is all based on his ideas. I highly recommend reading this, as well as the follow-up piece linked at the top: https://madasbirdsblog.wordpress.com/2017/04/03/i-abused-children-for-a-living/ --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Globe and Mail had a really good article about Jordan Peterson |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 8:13:09 PM #9 | CruorComa posted... No one ever really addresses anything he says, do they? They just condense complex subject matter to overly simplified, uncharitable and misrepresentative strawfigures, then attack that. It's not impressive. he said, after reading an article that succinctly addresses what he says --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Globe and Mail had a really good article about Jordan Peterson |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 7:52:28 PM #3 | A dumb joke, maybe. But an edifying one. (Jokes, as Freud knew, are frequently revealing; "an envelope for thoughts of the greatest substance.") Jordan Peterson is the intellectual as guru-mystic, and the guru-mystic as shameless huckster. He maintains that he abhors "right-wing identitarians" while simultaneously baiting them, materially profiting off their interest, and bequeathing their misguided movement the illusion of intellectual heft. He has also spoken giddily about his ability to "monetize social justice warriors," by converting outrage against him into more online donations. He is an intellectual snake oil salesman, exploiting a genuine need (pointed among the young men who shore the ranks of Peterson disciples) for meaning and order. His aim is little more than the pursuit of his own vanity and the P.T. Barnum-ish padding of his own pockets. He is a prophet, for profit. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/the-jordan-peterson-paradox-high-intellect-or-just-another-angry-white-guy/article37806524/ --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Globe and Mail had a really good article about Jordan Peterson |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 7:52:04 PM #2 | Where other academics rise on the strength of their ideas, Peterson's fame has crested on their sheer proliferation. As with his online lectures, his new book is rangy and digressive, addressing a wide range of subjects (history, theology, critical theory, evolutionary biology) well outside his realm of professional expertise. He can skip from the journals of the Columbine shooters to Goethe within three sentences; and within three pages skips to Tolstoy, to Cain and Abel, to Christ Himself, and back to "the Columbine boys." If psychology has always been the smorgasbord of soft sciences, Peterson's brand of profundity is the sprawling, all-you-can-eat Mandarin buffet a medley of undercooked ideas warmed under the heat lamp of his own faintly flickering intellect. [continued, yet again, in next post] --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Globe and Mail had a really good article about Jordan Peterson |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 7:51:26 PM #1 | If his popular Twitter account is to be believed, on the morning of Jan. 9, 2018, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson woke up, opened his laptop and immediately Googled the word "bikini." Then, he opened another tab and, using Microsoft's Google-rival search engine Bing, executed a new query, also for the word "bikini." [continued in next post] --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | ITT: We put aside our political differences and have a nice chat about our weeks |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 7:44:08 PM #5 | I started a new job in a different city, and I have some temporary living accommodations taken care of. currently in the process of moving there. I worked 3 days this week. it's great --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | Is it ethical to cure people who aren't neurotypical? |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 7:36:14 PM #57 | Esrac posted... I have a young daughter with autism. She attends ABA therapy five days a week. ABA is legitimately damaging and traumatizing to autistic children. if you care about her, get her out of there --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | ITT: I explain the basics of socialism |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 11:46:07 AM #158 | yeah I'm sorry. I've been really busy and haven't had much time for long thought-out posts --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | My friend just came out as transgendered |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 9:18:08 AM #72 | COVxy posted... This type of "this tiny slight change in the word is offensive, use this other completely arbitrarily picked word" word policing is silly and counterproductive. It adds nothing to the conversation, and you're only using it to discredit. it's a pretty clear indication that you're uninformed on these issues --- peanut butter and dick |
| Topic | I am 100% for gender equality and stuff, but... |
| averagejoel 02/01/18 9:10:23 AM #15 | scar the 1 posted... darkjedilink posted...Okay, how about this - do you believe that it's entirely possible for an entire awards show night to ONLY award women? this is absolutely correct, but I would like to add that novels were initially looked down on in this way (largely because many of the people who wrote them were women) and now they're probably the most popular form of literature --- peanut butter and dick |
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