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TheRock1525 posted...

I was originally leaning towards the idea that it was kinda neat to poke fun at himself, but upon reflection I do think it comes off as insincere for all parties involved.

I'm fine with letting him poke fun at himself if he gets grilled first and genuinely apologizes for his worst shit.

His Colbert appearance was not that.
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The Mana Sword posted...

Can't wait to see the media normalize Trump after he's out of office. I look forward to seeing him dance on stage with Ellen.

Oh god, how many foam/cardboard wall skits are we in for?
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I think it's really stupid to normalize him.

It makes the outrage look insincere. Which, for a lot of Hollywood, it probably is!
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Do we think they'll put this on the Network? As of now it's not.
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Going through that list you can really see how the lack of central organization dilutes the movement.

So many protests against Confederate monuments. BLM's core message is sympathetic to those causes, but it's not really the goal of the organization. IMO BLM is about the here and now, holding police forces accountable.

But clearly lots of local chapters have different agendas for their own communities.
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I agree, but it's more a point of why you don't hear as much about so many other peaceful rallies.
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Lopen posted...

Aw man there actually was a protest for the heroin dealer

Bleh. Violent too.

Definitely gonna comb through these a bit while bored today though.

And within the local source for the news of the protest, I can see the inherent issue with reporting on peace

Mostly peaceful protests following the not-guilty verdict in the murder trial of former police Officer Jason Stockley turned into unrest after dark, as police officers responded to several locations throughout the Central West End.

“Many of the demonstrators were peaceful," O'Toole said. "However, after dark, many agitators began to destroy property and assault police officers."

And that's all you get about the peaceful element in the whole article, because it's tough to find a lot of newsworthiness in non-action.

I'm not blaming the media for this, I'm just blaming the nature of reality.
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Lopen posted...

So basically you're taking it on faith that most of the protests are peaceful then? I'm just kinda wanting to know where your feelings of "it's always the cops" and "the majority are peaceful" came from and whether it was grounded in some sorta statistics or anything.

I'm taking it on faith that if there was violence, some elements the media would gladly signal boost it to the heavens.

Look at how they treat Antifa. A couple bottles get thrown, a few get arrested for being too rowdy with police, no one gets hurt beyond a scrape, and suddenly they're the leftist equivalent to Nazis.
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https://elephrame.com/textbook/BLM

Here's a list of BLM protests/rallys numbering in the thousands. It doesn't separate them by peaceful/violent, but I think most of the violent ones are well-known and could probably be counted on your hands
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One thing Smartmuffin accurately pointed out during his libertarian phase when he was fighting to legalize drunk driving was that sleepy driving can be even worse, and there's no national stigma against that.

Maybe that should be fought against too
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Oh no Seph called the cops on me
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StealThisSheen posted...

Basically, this came about from witnessing an argument between two guys. One told his friend he had gotten in a wreck when high, and it wouldn't have happened if he was drunk because he's a "really good drunk driver." The other then start going on about how he drives high all the time, but would never drive drunk.

Both seemed to think one was okay but not the other, so it made me curious what others thought, since I thought it was pretty ridiculous, as did the person I was with.

I'd like to hear from the yes votes in particular.

It probably depends on the person and their own body's reaction to the substances. I'm sure there are people who can drive well after drinking and people who could drive well after toking.

But the point is you can't accurately judge yourself under those conditions!
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Lopen posted...

How organized is it on at least say, Twitter?

And here you come to the biggest flaw. BLM has no central leadership or agreed upon goals beyond "police need to be held responsible" somehow.

It's a bunch of regional factions who tend to be far more reactive than proactive in getting their message out there.

This is something the movement could learn from the Women's March, who in one attempt had a rally more successful than any BLM one
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You were having a conversation with someone advocating driving while under the influence?
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Zack Ryder's girlfriend

Wants to marry Grado
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And in the interest of unity, I will honor those slain officers here, murdered by a hatred much like the one that killed Heyer.

Senior Cpl. Lorne Ahrens
Officer Michael Krol
Sgt. Michael Smith
Officer Brent Thompson
Officer Patricio Zamarripa

Murdered in cold blood in the line of duty trying to keep their citizens safe after a very successful job handling protests in the hours prior. They deserve recognition
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Lopen posted...

So do you think it's always the police that initiate the violence? 90% of the time? Maybe just most of the time but not by a commanding margin?

Is there a way to react to the violence that wouldn't cause things to escalate? Is that done in some of the more peaceful protests or does violence simply never start there?

Like I said, most BLM protests are peaceful, and most police forces are great and handle the protests properly. Those protests don't make the news though.

My opinion is that police in the protests that go bad unnecessarily escalate rowdiness into violence by treating the protests like riots and busting out gas and pepper spray and military gear on anyone present if even the slightest provocation occurs like someone threw a bottle or people aren't being corralled against their will very easily.

I would point to the Dallas protest up to its completion before one psycho decided to start shooting cops as a great example of police working within the scope of their powers to let the protestors be heard and to keep things safe.

Fuck the idiot who took things into his own hands afterwards, and fuck anyone who took glee in his actions. I don't believe the vast majority of BLMers do, just like I don't believe the vast majority of conservatives approve of the guy who killed Heather Heyer.
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Lopen posted...

Let's replace "ideal world" with "an ideal blm protest"

An ideal BLM protest would be humongous, inconveniencing, but peaceful
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And of course there's more opportunity for looting in a violent protest. Not sure how that matters if police are inciting the violence.
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But just to answer the first part of the question, pro-active violence is not necessary. There have been plenty of non-violent BLM protests.

When police initiate violence at protests, as tends to happen in Missouri, that changes the atmosphere.
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Punk was great on heel commentary. Very comparable to Graves
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In an ideal world we wouldn't need protests. What a strange hypothetical
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https://twitter.com/codyrhodes/status/909812479068340228

Shots fired re: Starrcade
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Lopen posted...

Implying peaceful protests don't exist with much higher percentages for other movements

There's clearly something there that's encouraging looting with higher frequency. Whether it's the protesters themselves (something you can't really deny with absolute certainty, as much as you'd like to) or the general tones of the protests fostering an environment that is conducive to looting, something is botched with the approach.

I don't think looting happens at BLM protests as much as you think it does. They have that image problem because of alt-right and less reputable conservative media spreading lies about them.

And yes the protests are more violent than protests for other causes because this is life and death for the protesters, and the people corralling the protests are representatives of the very entity they feel devalues their lives.
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Lol Starrcade
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Yeah I read that one of the things they discussed was being "conservative" in handing over documents to Mueller and that there are two documents "locked in a safe" that even they haven't seen.
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Also I don't even think there has BEEN any looting. Violence yes.
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Which implies that looters are part of the protestors and not just opportunists
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Lopen posted...

Like what the hell does "I'm despicable because I believe change needs to also come from within?" mean if he's not talking about the actions of the BLM movement and he's talking about literally black people.

It means he's saying black people shouldn't loot and when some do it reflects poorly on all black people

You act like this is some foreign viewpoint that no one actually has
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Wasn't there a refugee among the people who did the bomb at the Ariana Grande concert? That didn't seem to change anything
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HaRRicH posted...

...bringing it up to ask if this is the same thing ICP is in the news for lately, because I thought their latest thing was about standing up against being labeled a gang. This sounds separate, but Juggalo marches don't sound commonplace either.

It is the same thing. The original tweet was just pointing out that both groups organized a march on the same day in the same area.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Regardless of how fair it is, there will certainly be real world ramifications if he is indeed the bomber

Such as?

Right wing politicians insisting that it validates their xenophobic immigration policies and potentially garnering enough public support to restrict even further

I thought Trump was already turning away refugees
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Lopen posted...

Honestly I thought Ventura had his moments as well and was generally pretty good at it. And Johnny Polo (Raven for those who didn't watch any WWE in like 93-94, and I wouldn't blame you) was underrated in this role too, for what little time he did it.

I think Corey Graves has flashes of greatness, though I don't think he'll ever reach that level on anything remotely resembling a consistent basis. Not really his fault I think it's kinda impossible to do with the current product paradigm WWE has.

See these are the people I was excluding with the "over the top" qualifier.

None of these people were/are so comically heel that you can't take them seriously. Lawler was but not these guys. There was/is always a logic to their slants.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Regardless of how fair it is, there will certainly be real world ramifications if he is indeed the bomber

Such as?
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I wish the crowd tomorrow night would be savvy enough after the video tribute to chant "Weasel! Weasel!" instead of anything else.

I doubt it though
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TheRock1525 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Holy shit

The greatest manager and the ONLY over-the-top heel commentator to have ever been good

I dunno, I feel like Lawler was the perfect foil to JR in the late 90's/early 2000's.

Did you ever watch a show because of Lawler on commentary?
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I think they've arrested two people so you may both be accurate
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Mega Mana posted...

But do you scream when you pee? That's the most important aspect.

Only as motivation
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Bobby Heenan just passed away a few hours ago. He was the best ever at what he did.

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Raiders had 1st-and-goal from the 2, with Marshawn Lynch, and Carr called "Seattle, Seattle." It was a TD pass to Crabtree.

Dear god
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DeepsPraw posted...

As someone who has a penis, I can assure you it's by far the best way to urinate.

It's very handy in non-toilet situations but as an aging gentleman I'm getting tired of missing the bowl
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DeepsPraw posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

How do you think trans women pee?

Even if they have a penis, they don't stand up to pee like men.

I bet most do. At home though, not in front of other women

Based on what?
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Holy shit

The greatest manager and the ONLY over-the-top heel commentator to have ever been good
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I think he still believes that trans women are just men who decided to be women
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Yeah you can't just "cancel ESPN"

I doubt Trump understands cable/satellite packages
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How do you think trans women pee?

Even if they have a penis, they don't stand up to pee like men.

Cross-dressing men are not transgender women.
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How long did Hiroshima take to become viable again after the bomb?
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Corrik posted...

What do you think America would look like 20 years after the top 50 cities were nuked in the United States and Oil and Coal were depleted.

Fallout basically has people living in the ruins with competing factions vying for power in a world basically void of any actual leadership or government.

I think we would still have enough hydro-electric power potential to get by on such a diminished population

I think government initially would be chaos but by the time 20 years had passed, we would be back into some semblance of a functioning society. People generally want a strong, steady hand of leadership during disasters. Once it was established who that was, most would be okay as cogs in the wheel of restoration.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

72 old man taking stiff headbutts. Totally makes sense

A 72 year-old man who still makes all the day to day decisions for the company
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