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| Topic | Why is ok to defend transgender but not ok to defend transrace? |
| Lopen 11/27/17 10:54:32 PM #30 | But seriously if transrace became more of a thing people would defend it just as much I imagine. I mean half the people in here didn't even believe it existed whatsoever. But that was probably identical to how it was with transgender like 70 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised to see the number of these cases increase over time. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 10:22:03 PM #104 | I must have that DVD. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Why is ok to defend transgender but not ok to defend transrace? |
| Lopen 11/27/17 10:04:57 PM #15 | How about transnationality. I've identified as Canadian for a while now but I'm not actually from Canada. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 10:01:19 PM #93 | We might be. I'm more concerned with the mindset of people who take Sociology classes being warped towards racism against (colloquial) white people by repurposing of words moreso than saying the colloquial definition is "right" or anything like that, which I think may have been lost in this argument. And is definitely way off what my original point was to boot. So who can really follow anything. It's an interesting discussion even if I don't quite get what my endgame is here. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 9:54:39 PM #91 | Jakyl25 posted... Academics are examining how and why that word exists for the person to draw it out of mind and apply it. We talking about the f word or the n word or both here Because I don't think you can really discard the premise that it's just arbitrarily choosing a hate word to rally to without studying non-racially charged words as well-- particularly when you can see the f word used by non-racists in the same contexts the n word is used with racists. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 9:37:23 PM #85 | Oh. I meant fuck not f**. Sorry. I mean, that's also a good example though. But yeah basically it all boils down to what the mental association is when you think of a word, and which one brings hate to your mind strongest. For a normal non-racist person that word might be fuck or whatever and then for a racist it might be n*****. I don't think it's necessarily that the racist thinks black people and Native Americans are the same-- to me that feels like oversimplifying. But they're both things the dude hates, and n***** jumps to mind first. Like if we'd lived in a culture where Chinese people were more a more prominent for racists to hate on, you'd probably be getting more slurs for other that were derivative from anti-Chinese slurs instead. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 9:32:23 PM #82 | Okay, maybe the problem is you don't know what the words small, or subtle, mean. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 9:29:06 PM #79 | Jakyl25 posted... Its refining the definition of what people mean when they say it colloquially. While we're on definitions, I'd suggest you look into the definition of "refine" because what you're describing is not refining-- unless of course sociology "refined" the definition of what that word means too. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 9:27:11 PM #78 | Kenri posted... Correct, but uh, not for the reasons you think! This is the part where you put your field of study to use and explain for a plebeian like me what the reasons actually are. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 9:24:26 PM #75 | Jakyl25 posted... And dont you think its significant that racists use a word that literally means black to label whatever the hell they want to hate on at the moment? Not really, no. It's a racial slur at this point, which makes it closer to a random hate word than the word Negroe. It's no different than using the f word "creatively" --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 9:22:26 PM #74 | StealThisSheen posted... I mean, what quality does she have that other pretty actresses that play similar roles but aren't Chinese don't? >_> Who are you to doubt Kelly Hu. Goddamn racist. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 9:20:17 PM #71 | Jakyl25 posted... I really fail to see how the academic use of white is doing harm to the colloquial use of white. You don't see how there's harm when people who have been using it colloquially for years upon years before entering academia now have it rebranded to basically mean "the enemy" (because let's face it, not many people identify as the ruling class, even if they totally are) You don't see how that could possibly have negative repercussions in how they digest the material? --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 9:18:42 PM #69 | StealThisSheen posted... If you're calling a random Chinese women "Kelly Hu" without proceeding it with some kind of attempt to liken them to her, and are literally just going "Hey, Kelly Hu," then there's still a problem there It's a problem yeah. Not necessarily one born of racism, though. There could be some Kelly Hu like quality to them that we don't really know about. Like socially oblivious for sure, and probably a dumb nickname, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it racist on its face. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 9:15:03 PM #66 | Jakyl25 posted... The N word obviously is derived from Negroe, which in and of itself literally means black. Yet people dont just use the word to describe those of African descent. They also use variants of it against Native Americans and Arabic people, despite neither of those groups having what colloquially you would describe as black skin. If you want to redefine the N word for academic use you're free to. That one's already been repurposed by racists to berate whatever the hell they want to hate on at the moment so you're not doing any real damage to it. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 9:13:28 PM #63 | StealThisSheen posted... What non-racist reason would you have to call all Chinese women "Kelly Hu" We don't have evidence Trump calls all Native American women Pocahontas though --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 9:10:21 PM #60 | StealThisSheen posted... Though, yes, just calling Chinese women "Kelly Hu" is also racist, so... >_> Not necessarily, though. You can project a racist reason to call someone that but that's not necessarily accurate. Ching Chong I can't really see being unracist in any context. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 9:06:20 PM #58 | Jakyl25 posted... No. The academic use explains the colloquial meanings, since the colloquial meanings are constantly in flux 1. They're actually not, though. Unless you're claiming Nakamura would've been considered white in the past. Taz is more shaky, but I mean, gun to my head I wouldn't have a huge problem calling him black. Like, it's not really as complicated as you're making it out to be. 2. More importantly, if the academic use is explaining colloquial meanings, it should use different words to clarify this. 3. There is no colloquial use of the word white and black that would cover everything Kenri was on about anyway, so that's kinda nonsense. Dude was saying Irish ancestors were black. You're explaining colloquial meanings by flat out saying they're something that they're not and never have been. That's not explaining as much as redefining. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 9:02:32 PM #55 | StealThisSheen posted... They're used in the exact same way. "Squanto" to Native Americans is the same as "Ching Chong" to Chinese people. They're used to belittle, demean, and insult. I mean, maybe I just don't hang around enough people who are racist against Native Americans but I don't think that's the case. I'd sooner expect like... High Chief Random Nonsense to be the more mocking thing. Like what you're describing is more like calling a Chinese person Kelly Hu or something. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 8:55:33 PM #50 | StealThisSheen posted... It's not JUST where/when he said it that's the problem. The problem is that he's been doing it to begin with, and now on top of that he said it where he did Right, sure. Like I said I'm not saying Trump isn't a bit racist there. I just said comparing it to Ching Chong was a bit off base. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 8:54:25 PM #49 | Jakyl25 posted... Repurposing? Oh yeah? So you're saying this concept being studied and labeled as such in academia predates its colloquial use? --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 8:53:22 PM #48 | Taz isn't white, but I'm not exactly comfortable saying he's black either. The world isn't black and white, though. I wouldn't call Shinsuke Nakamura white either but he sure as hell ain't black. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 8:48:52 PM #43 | Mr Lasastryke posted... if your point is "there's a lot of terms in academia that are silly," sure. i know media studies uses a lot of silly terms. what can you do. Well, it's only a real problem when it's repurposing words or expressions we already use into a particularly negative connotation. StealThisSheen posted... When people say stuff like "Whatever you say, Squanto," they're implying you're not worth being identified beyond your skin color/background/whatever and the generic name they've applied to those people. I agree. Hence why I said context is necessary. But to note that's not actually what Trump did, either. He didn't really go into why she at times was called Pocahontas just mentioned that she was-- which again, bad idea to even mention given where he was, but not necessarily "racist" per se since you don't know the reasoning why. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 8:42:06 PM #38 | Jakyl25 posted... I really dont get what Lopen thinks white people means when said colloquially. I don't believe you. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 8:37:52 PM #35 | StealThisSheen posted... Squanto was also a respected figure and isn't really "racially charged," but that's typically used negatively in the same way "Ching-Chang" is. Well, I've personally never heard of Squanto being used in that way so I glossed over it. To me it'd be pretty similar to Pocahontas-- you'd need to read into context to determine whether it's racist or not. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 8:34:10 PM #33 | The point is the academic jargon in this instance is a disgrace to academic jargon that's at direct odds with the colloquial definition-- like to the point where it loads the word to mean something you claim it does not. It'd be like if say in wastewater science we started calling fecal matter "the Japanese" or something. But worse because at least you couldn't confuse people who colloquially have referred to Japanese people on whether you're talking about a person in the usual use contexts. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 8:28:13 PM #29 | Better question for you, do you think it means "the ruling class" when said colloquially? Floyd Mayweather has a ton of money, way more power than most people. Do you think people would call him a white guy? --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 8:25:26 PM #27 | It's not about what I want "white people" to mean it's about what it actually means when people (not academia, actual people) say it. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 8:24:30 PM #26 | ... unless you're saying "white people" has never referred to the color of one's skin when it was said colloquially And if that's your point there's the door bud --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 8:22:19 PM #24 | Jakyl25 posted... The point I think youre missing is that there is no such thing as inherent white people. Lopen posted... particularly unnecessarily when by your own admission it's less about any given race and more about whichever group of people happens to be the ruling class at a given time. You're right I sure did miss that one. You had to look to the second half of the statement to see me grasp that point. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 8:21:52 PM #23 | Well the main difference is I'm not really targeting you as much as your field at this point. You've basically established an internally consistent definition of words-- but most people aren't doubting that you're being internally consistent. They're doubting whether the words you're using are the ones you should be using, and whether the words make sense to be used at this point. Like maybe you didn't shift the goalposts but at some point they were shifted-- presumably because the field got a bit less American-history centric and people realized "this isn't as much about skin color as we thought" but still couldn't swallow their pride and stop using the terms white, black, and racism for concepts they'd been mistakenly been attributing to skin color. Again that's all just theory-- I don't really have any idea of how using the words racism, black, and white developed there, but the core of the argument has always been "this is asinine" and you saying "it's not asinine because that's how academia talks" which isn't really a counter-argument for anyone, and which naturally transitions me into the viewpoint of "academia as it relates to this particular topic is asinine" --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | eaed plays WWE Real World Mod on TEW 2016 - ACTUALLY on the Road to Mania [TEW] |
| Lopen 11/27/17 8:07:14 PM #151 | Kurt Angle Kane and the Demon King (c) The Usos Damien Sandow/Bully Ray/D-Von IC: John Morrison CW: Neville Women: Charlotte USA: Aries WWE: The Miz WHC: AJ Styles (c) Goldberg Regular Bonus (2) - For Stealing Damien Sandow for the match against Cena. HHH replace him in the US Title Chamber match. Triple H replaces him a WWE comedy act from the mid 2000s. Who is it? The Boogeyman! Elimination Chamber Fun (1 bonus point each) Who is the first one eliminated in the IC Chamber Match? Who is the last one eliminated? Kazarian, Breeze Who is the first one eliminated in the Women Chamber Match? Who is the last one eliminated? Sasha, Nikki Who is the first one eliminated in the USA Chamber Match? Who is the last one eliminated? Braun, Zayn Who is the first one eliminated in the CW Chamber Match? Who is the last one eliminated? Axel, Slater Who is the first one eliminated in the WWE Chamber Match? Who is the last one eliminated? Big E, Cesaro Who is the first one eliminated in the WHC Chamber Match? Who is the last one eliminated? Orton, Roode --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | heath bars |
| Lopen 11/27/17 7:49:55 PM #21 | Read as health bar, voted before reading opening post Vote was still the same as yum though. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Superhero movie that gets too much hate? |
| Lopen 11/27/17 7:27:38 PM #34 | The irony is that I always felt Spider-man's animated appearance in comics and TV usually made him out to be older than his actual intended age more often than not. Like my instinctive look at MCU Spiderman was "he's too young" but I mean, he's not. He's one of the only Spidermen that actually looks the age. This has probably gotten better with more recent comic stuff but yeah. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 7:24:26 PM #18 | I think the big problem is more that when you say "only white people can be racist" it sends a poor message, because no matter how long people have been in this field and have been immersed in its arbitrary redefinition of words, people aren't thinking of that definition instinctively. And trying to change your definition of "white people" to "the ruling class" it's one that almost propagates racism vs white people inherently-- particularly unnecessarily when by your own admission it's less about any given race and more about whichever group of people happens to be the ruling class at a given time. Probably opens up a can of worms around discussion on the problems with the way of teaching in the field. I honestly don't think I'm too far off the mark when I think the self-importance of academia is at root. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 6:51:26 PM #14 | Kenri posted... All academia is self-important but that doesn't make it bullshit. My definition has a lot more factual and historical backing than any of this nonsense about skin color, which at most correlates and frequently doesn't even get that far. The point is it's stupid to use the word "white people" in the context of "racism" and not have it mean literally "white people." Come up with a different term. It means the field is lazy or is filled with people who took classes on race studies and wanted to pretend what they were studying applied to more things than it actually does. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Fate/Grand Order Topic 6: Scathach Refused Your Call |
| Lopen 11/27/17 6:41:49 PM #435 | I guess if you like stars cause they're pretty and don't actually wanna damage things with em sure. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 6:39:16 PM #11 | Is that because you forfeited the gold and I originally had the silver? I get why it was dumb of him to say that where he was. I get why it could perceived as Trump being 'racist' in a way if you really try to break down the motivations on why he made the comment, harmless as it is on its face. I'm saying comparing it to "ching-chang" is misleading at best. It's not an inherently racially charged thing to call someone like that is. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Superhero movie that gets too much hate? |
| Lopen 11/27/17 6:30:55 PM #26 | I definitely feel like people have soured on Spiderman and Spiderman 2 over time. Cause it's too lighthearted or something. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Fate/Grand Order Topic 6: Scathach Refused Your Call |
| Lopen 11/27/17 6:24:47 PM #433 | Oh is that why. I just assumed he was always dead before his skills mattered much. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 149: Open 24/7 365 Snowflakes or not! |
| Lopen 11/27/17 6:22:45 PM #498 | Sociology is also a branch of humanities-- sorry if you would like to be considered more important than people who study literature or music but it's true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_the_humanities Not mutually exclusive groups. Many social sciences are humanities and vice versa Anyway either way not that important. Main point is I think most people understood what you were saying. They were just intentionally being dense about it because racism isn't really the right word for what you're describing, nor would it be accurate by any stretch to say "non-white people can't be racist" in this particular use, without also redefining the word white on top of that which sends you further down the pointless rabbit hole of redefining words, and it's funnier to make jokes about their black Irish ancestors than to say that. If in academia this is a widely accepted way to describe racism, it just speaks to that particular branch of academia having a desire to overly inflate the value of what they're studying more than anything. Happens a lot in humanities because well, what they're studying doesn't have all that many practical applications so you gotta stretch out. Like it's not that it's hard to understand what you were saying per se. It's just that it's hard to accept it as something that isn't self-important academia bullshit. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 149: Open 24/7 365 Snowflakes or not! |
| Lopen 11/27/17 5:58:48 PM #496 | |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 5:50:47 PM #8 | Yeah the big problem was the setting more than "Pocahontas is a racial slur" Just kind of a dumb place to say that --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly |
| Lopen 11/27/17 5:45:51 PM #6 | I knew a girl who jokingly called herself Pocahontas. She's a respected figure. It can be done with a sense of reverence instead of mockery. It's not really the same as Ching-chang. Not saying it's something Trump should have said but yeah let's call it for what it is. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XIX: Day 82 (RULE CHANGE!) [smfffc] |
| Lopen 11/27/17 5:30:55 PM #424 | Raytan's bad tastes have nothing to do with what characters I hate. I've made several posts detailing why Terra is bad-- definitely a lot of things to dislike there if her negatives hit on grating points for you. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Fate/Grand Order Topic 6: Scathach Refused Your Call |
| Lopen 11/27/17 5:28:09 PM #431 | If I used Cursed Arm Hassan I'd be unconcerned about leveling up his skills too --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Superhero movie that gets too much hate? |
| Lopen 11/27/17 5:20:28 PM #15 | On topic my answer is still Wolverine movies not named Logan --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XIX: Day 82 (RULE CHANGE!) [smfffc] |
| Lopen 11/27/17 5:12:50 PM #367 | X_Dante_X posted... if it makes you feel better luis i lost my love back on day 4 Yeah well my waifu character went out on day 1 I am the king. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XIX: Day 82 (RULE CHANGE!) [smfffc] |
| Lopen 11/27/17 4:53:31 PM #335 | As a proud heckler these vultures almost make me look respectable --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XIX: Day 82 (RULE CHANGE!) [smfffc] |
| Lopen 11/27/17 4:45:41 PM #322 | What is love I am dead. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Fate/Grand Order Topic 6: Scathach Refused Your Call |
| Lopen 11/27/17 4:39:55 PM #427 | I mean if you're doing it just for MP apples on the daily is still actually a very slight bit better looking at the rates Mac gave (I can get 9 runs of the 30 AP stage off two apples which would give more than 46 Prisms) but the Christmas event gives you a bunch of a ton of different things so it's not actually a waste of AP to do it, that's sort of the thing. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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