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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 4:19:29 PM
#92
Leafeon13N posted...
And getting an extra pair of eyes on something questionable is mutually beneficial.

Mutually beneficial for who? If I'm scum I post a catch like that in scum chat and nowhere else. I find anything else to talk to chang about if I'm just trying to appear active.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 4:17:10 PM
#91
htaeD posted...
To be fair I think winking and nudging like that is an easy ticket to getting killed by scum. I wouldnt be that obvious on purpose.

..
Then again thats the endgoal of the role Wallz claims to be.

It was quick and subtle enough that not even the person who received the gift realized that it looked like the gift giver revealed themselves. So not obvious enough apparently.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 4:04:58 PM
#87
Here's an exchange from neighbor chat. This is from yesterday morning when I realized that wallz was the inventor/gift giver. It turns out I was wrong, but I think most people reading the posts I read would agree that it was a reasonable conclusion to reach. If you're telling me that I went out of my way to notice this AND tell chang AND continue to keep the gift giver's secret until my theory was proven false is just me as scum play-acting then I guess you must give me a lot more credit than I deserve and I'm one of the best mafia players to ever live.

FD: "oh fuck wallz IS town"

FD: I just saw his winkwink and single use comment on reread

FD: scum inventory isn't a thing, right?

FD: you'd just give inventions to scummates

Chang: chris has a role in a game where scum had a pseudo-inventor who could give a gun toa town player who was compelled to use it with some restrictions

Chang: but this kind of inventor no

Chang: they would have to get something even stronge rin return

Chang: seems unlikely

Chang: where di wallz say that

FD: let me find quotes

FD: it was righta fter you came forward about dumey

FD: topic 3, page 1

FD: Post 34 and 36

FD: "True and I'm guessing it's a single use role?" "wink wink"

FD: but if I was actually saved then that means scum was taking a big risk to target me unless it's a scum inventor who knew you didn't have another watch in you.

Chang: Oh

Chang: Yeah it's him lol

Chang: I completely missed that

It goes on a bit further with us being confused why wallz would have given gifts to chang and BCT after how he vocalized sus of each of them in day 1/2 respectively, but you can see how after that conversation we both indicated in topic that we believed we knew who the gift giver was and we were waiting for them to step forward.

But hey, apparently I'm the best actor alive, so that's a nice feather in my hypothetical cap.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 3:55:27 PM
#81
htaeD posted...
I think the difference between Wallz and FD, when it comes to how EDumey reacted to them late day1
I feel like he left a Wallz lynch way more open than a FD lynch, which he shut down loudly by calling all the votes on FD petty.

Also he said this

Yeah and you think if we were scummates he goes to bat for me so directly? Would YOU?

Maybe for the scum extra kill, but we know now that was SBell. Even still, I don't think I would EVER do what Dumey did day 1 to save a scummate, and i think most of you would say the same.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 3:53:41 PM
#78
Leafeon13N posted...
This is all stuff scum can do just as easily as town.

Value os what did you do to clear town or find scum.

You dont have any credit to your name.

By that logic NO ONE this game has value except chang?

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~C~ FD
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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 3:52:42 PM
#75
And as I previously said I don't expect anyone has read my posts that actually WERE large walls. The same way I didn't read Dumey's. If he had flipped town I would have gone back to them, but he didn't, so I didn't. I'm totally fine with you ignoring Posts 267, 268, 269 and 270 from topic 5 until I'm dead. But then you'll see i'm town and you'll have to go back and read them and THAT is why I made them.

It's the same reason I created my day 2 post and put it in neighbor chat. I wanted my opinions to be available if I died night 1 so chang or corrik could post why I thought corrik was scum.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 3:49:56 PM
#71
Leafeon13N posted...
This is a semantic argument.

They are close enough.

Really not. A lot of small in-the-moment posts trying to collect and analyze the information as it comes in, trying to press for extra details when someone is being vague, trying to cross reference what we're finding out with what we previously knew from flips. That was straight up effort that had nothing to do with the size of my posts.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 3:48:39 PM
#70
Leafeon13N posted...
Multiple pieces of information coming together.

Also i dont emotion like that.

You were in a much better mood 5 days ago, and everything since the series started has been grumpy, snappy and pissed off red. Maybe you are the one who should have checked emotion at the door.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 3:46:53 PM
#65
Leafeon13N posted...
People started calling him town for that first.

Calling me town because of the effort I'm putting in.

Effort =/= walls.

Sure I made a few large posts last night and those did take effort, but I also showed my ass up ALL day yesterday putting in work trying to get things figured out.

You are the one who stated that ALL im doing is making large posts (which is false). No one said "FD is making large posts, I think that makes him town". You created your own connection there so you could shoot it down with decade old information.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 3:43:51 PM
#63
Leafeon13N posted...
I woke up one morning you all were conspiracying.

The next morning i wake up to useless pointless role meta.

I dont deal with this crap.

You're just upset the Dodger's lost and you are pushing for a mislynch based upon ONE piece of information.

Meanwhile it's possible that Isquen DID jailkeep me AND I'm not scum. I've listed reasons why I would not have been the one to send in the kill if scum. You brushed it aside. I've listed other options, however unlikely, for there to only have been one kill last night. You brush them aside. I go out of my way to spend more time than ANYONE trying to figure out what happened and you not only brush it aside, but say it fits my scum play.

Leafeon13N posted...
FD was at the top of the vote and dumey goes and turns it to Sultan.

That was Dumey take the opportunity to appeal himself to me. If he was saving anyone day 1 then it was wallz, but I'm sure he was happy to position his efforts as saving me for exactly this reason.

Also that was Sultan's own fault for making up some bullshit about his role. That does not come back around to him otherwise.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 2:32:01 PM
#30
We still don't know what Lea was or what Ctes/Sheep are going to claim.

All the more reason for Peaf to do his Death Dive at get us Lea's role sooner rather than later.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 1:28:58 PM
#22
htaeD posted...
Also minor note
FD apparently spent all night arguing that Corrik was scum

Changmas, did or does any of that sound rehearsed to you now?
Because scum might have planned to shoot Corrik early on during the night

wallmasterz posted...
Following along with Changs I see everything in my neighborhood comment, Chang, when did you claim to tell FD you got a gift and didnt actually see everything? Or did you never leave FD with that impression in your neighbor chat?

Chang has previously answered all of this inquiries. I'd be happy to help you find those answers, but I'd hate to be "talking too much"

I let him know in neighbor chat so he can just answer again himself, but he says he's busy until 5 or 5:30 EST.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 12:20:17 PM
#17
Isquen posted...
That's three meta strikes now. I'd be voting you thrice over if I could.

Me? Or Death? I was just clarifying to death that it would have been very odd for something like a BG to be told who their action was successful against.

Something like a scanner would be able to tell if they are redirected because they would say "Scan A" and receive back "B is Inno/Guilty", but I wouldn't expect a Doc or BG to be able to tell.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 12:04:29 PM
#13
I don't think BG would be told that no.

"your action was successful" just meaning that he did in fact bodyguard someone, but not "you guarded IGCD".

If everything BCT and wallz both says in true then the theory would be that wallz was actually guarding BCT last night, not IGCD.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 11:30:04 AM
#5
htaeD posted...
Dont think we need to be here just yet, but I get what you mean.

The link was posted in the old topic, isn't that the universal sign to switch? It was a page earlier than expected, but it wasn't accompanied with a "switch at 450" message.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 11:29:05 AM
#4
An update:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/5/5/AAXBdhAAE7P3.png

Just missing 4 flavors and 2 roles? Abacus/Isquen never claimed a flavor right?

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 11:27:43 AM
#2
htaeD posted...
Honestly I expected you to answer with 'I know something weird must have happened, because I didnt try to kill anyone'

How many different ways can I say exactly that?

I do know something weird happened. That much was clear from even before I found out I was jailkept because Plum would have been an odd choice for the lone scum kill. But in addition to knowing something weird happened I find it odd that red apparently believes that scum will NEVER do something that isn't fully logical.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 11:17:14 AM
#399
Leafeon13N posted...
but skipping the point where you need logical readons for those things to happen.

You are assuming that a scum team will NEVER do something illogical? That's bold, but maybe you should make that assumption when it's your own life on the line.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 11:13:24 AM
#397
Leafeon13N posted...
Mafis is a simple game you are actively choosing to stretch your posts out excessively.

That's just how I post, NAI

I tend to skew verbose, sure, but I'm trying to make sure I'm conveying my thoughts properly in a way that is less likely to be misunderstood.

There's a difference between that and going back to day 1 and quoting and analyzing every single post ulti made. (which IS something I've done as scum, though I think that was vs MSG)

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 11:11:09 AM
#396
Leafeon13N posted...
You haven't figured out shit.

Some possibilities:

1) Isquen is lying and I wasn't JK'd (this would have to be combined with something else on the list)

2) Scum shot Plum (for some reason, perhaps because of some suspicions plum had)

3) Scum shot ME (for some reason? Perhaps because people were starting to sound like they believed that neighbors were confirmed town thanks to PT cop and I was less likely to be saved than Chang)

4) Scum took an action that causes a delayed kill (poisoner)

5) Scum decided to no-kill but HAD some sort of mechanical reason (to unlock a future double kill? Some other kind of power up?)

6) Scum decided to no-kill for no reason at all (they were already losing and they needed to bank on the chaos of a no-kill night to shake things up)

7) Something else entirely.

Call it pointless conspiracies if you want, but I KNOW that something happened because I know I'm not scum. One of those things (or something else) definitely caused this situation and I'm not crazy for trying to figure out what it was.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 11:04:46 AM
#393
Also there's the irony of putting me in a position where I have to say a lot to defend myself and try to prevent my mislynch and then using that very activity to say I must be scum. That's a really damned if you do, damned if you don't place to be and I'm just over here trying not to be damned at all.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 10:59:17 AM
#389
I know we're expected to ignore flavor. It just seems deliberate that all 3 neighbors are "Mr." something. It doesn't make wallz guaranted scum, but it was something I noticed after I put the rest of my thoughts together. Regardless of if it was a trap for town or a trap for scum it isn't "nothing".3/3 Mr. Neighbors was a deliberate choice made by the host. I'm not in the hosts brain so i can't tell you what it means, but it wasn't an accident.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 10:56:04 AM
#388
Leafeon13N posted...
You literally are throwing up more text than anyone in the game. It isn't close.

Hell your own argument here doesn't even hold water because it is pong established. In part by you ages ago. That inundating town with too much text causes confusion, alignment be damned.

Because I'm trying HARDER than anyone else to ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED NIGHT 2.

You'll notice that my tempo changed as soon as Isquen's claim dropped right?
Because that's when things went from 'something odd happened night 2' to 'something odd happened night 2 and now i'm about to be mislynched over it."

If i was scum who had been roleblocked I would have already KNOWN what was going to come forward and I would have been a damn sight more prepared than I was. Instead what you see is me actually trying to figure this shit out on the fly.

And what have you done today red other than reveal your vig shots and bury me? Have you even TRIED to figure anything else out? You're going to look back on these 48 hours time that was wasted when you could have been looking ahead to figure out what is going to happen after you're wrong.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 10:48:31 AM
#383
Leafeon13N posted...
Yeah you are putting in way too much effort in this one.

I put in just as much effort in Ulti mafia a few months ago and I'm trying to prevent my OWN mislynch. You'd rather I just throw my hands up?

wallmasterz posted...
So you are claiming you wouldnt try this hard to survive as scum, but as wrongly accused town youll supposedly find more time to fight to stay alive? not sure how I feel about that

I'm not claiming that at all.

I'm saying that a decade ago I had significantly more spare time and I made significantly more "nothing" posts for the sake of appearing active. What I'm doing this game isn't that. At this point I assume none of you has properly read my large posts from last night. I don't expect you to take those posts seriously until after I flip, the same way I was not prepared to take Dumey's posts seriously on day 2 "until and unless he flipped town". Those aren't there to fill space or bore you into submission, they are there because after I flip you are all going to HAVE to read them and that makes me smile.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 10:44:40 AM
#378
Leafeon13N posted...
But hes literally had a scum game where he posted maszive walls of content. Just fucking massive.

That was probably 10 years ago. Mafia was different then. What was expected of people to be and appear active was different. My ability to stay awake until the wee hours of the morning quoting and responding to dozens if not hundreds of posts was different. I believe the game you are referring to was one of the Pokemafias where we were scum together and I did make a deliberate choice to inundate town with volume, but saying that something I did 10 years ago is "in my wheelhouse" is pretty crazy. Not only crazy, it's just wrong.

From YOUR perspective could I be scum? Of course, it's claimed I was in a jail and there was 1 less kill than expected.

But I'm not and there ARE other explanations whether you choose to believe in them or not.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 10:39:41 AM
#370
Leafeon13N posted...
This is literally FD's scum game as well. Hes got no problem posting walls of content overwhelming town to think hes this precious fucking active dude that you cant bear to lynch.

I hadn't played mafia in ages before Ulti mafia.

I literally have not been scum in years.


htaeD posted...
Do you know a recent scum FD game?

There is not one. Red's faded memory of my ancient scum games are all he has and I don't approach mafia the same way I used to. I certainly don't have the kind of spare time I used to have.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 10:24:07 AM
#348
ctesjbuvf posted...
BCT you do realize that FD being town requires Isquen to have protected him, right? It could also be Plum recieving two bullets, not sure how likely you find that to be.

Forceful_Dragon posted...
Or perhaps scum DID send a kill but it was a delayed action kill? A poisoner action that can only be used in place of the regular night kill? That would give another possible interaction for the Mindful role AND explain why we were short a kill last night.


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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 10:09:45 AM
#343
BlueCrystalTear posted...
FD, please unvote me.

My vote isn't on you though

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 9:45:27 AM
#337
Forceful_Dragon posted...
And I know you feel like you "have to" because of circumstances, but you're gonna wish you didn't after you see my flip.


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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 9:39:27 AM
#334
Then the flavor trap is is in town. Still feels like a trap to line the flavors up and then put another one in town legitimately.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 9:34:14 AM
#331
wallmasterz posted...
And it makes sense too, because from my understanding you three neighbors dont/didnt have a power, whereas I do.

:shrug:

When you claimed only corrik had flipped, so there was no information available to indicate Mr. meant Neighbor.

I won't press it since clearly no one else thinks it's possible, but to me it still feels like it means something. It's like ya'll wouldn't think it was significant if the 3 neighbors were Umbreon, Glaceon and Jolteon and then someone else is town had claimed Sylveon.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 9:19:06 AM
#325
I honestly don't know. But do safelists usually have safe flavors paired with safe roles? Or is there a separate list of safe flavors and a separate list of safe roles? If the flavor safelist is just "something blade considered putting in the game" then Mr. T might have been a flavor that nearly qualified for the neighborhood and then got beat out.

But there was either a flavor trap on the scum safe list or there's a flavor trap in the actually list of flavors assigned town. 3/3 Mr. Neighborhood is statistically significant.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 9:13:11 AM
#319
ctesjbuvf posted...
Again, FD, either it's Wallz actual role or it's taken from the safelist, which are things that might as well have been in, so unless you think Blade purposely put traps on the safelist, there is no case there.

Isn't the phrase "meta at your own risk" rather than "never meta"?

What have I got to lose by looking for information in unusual places?

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 9:07:57 AM
#316
htaeD posted...
That theory sounds like a safelist oversight to me.
It would also imply that from your POV Changmas has to be scum, since otherwise why even put misters on the safelist?

He wouldn't HAVE to be scum no.

It's still not IMPOSSIBLE that he's scum. We all know that Mr. Rogers is capable of dealing with 'good guys bad guys and explosions, as far as the eye can see' so if any Mr. is capable of killing it's him.

But the fact that all 3 neighbors are Mr, and as far as I can tell literally everyone but wallz is NOT a mr. and I'd rather believe it means something than nothing. Could just be Blade's way of telling us not to meta flavor in a game that otherwise doesn't seem to have a flavor theme, but it sure felt like a lightbulb moment when it finally clicked for me.

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 2:32:22 AM
#271
Oh and it took me way too long, but I finally realize why my flavor makes me a neighbor. I was just filling in my flavor to post an updated list and I see this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/9/0/AAXBdhAAE7NS.png

We're all "misters".

So that actually brings me back to "Wallz is scum" and he pulled "Mr. T" off the safe list and didn't realize that should make him a neighbor, not a bodyguard.

Maybe I'm wrong and chang isn't a Mr. (though I think I know which one he is)

And maybe there are OTHER misters in the game that just haven't claimed flavor yet.

But it's the first new lead I've stumbled across so I'm going with that now.

##Unvote
##Vote: Wallz

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~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 2:26:17 AM
#270
Then we have ctes and Sheep. I didn't like how both of their slots were incredibly quiet through 2 days, and I still think they should complete the claim. If there is an unclaimed scum among them it only helps them to have an additional day to fit information together to create a suitable fake claim. Removing an extra day of options forces them to take the layup and fake claim vanilla or to move forward with a fake claim involving actions that isn't quite as polished as it would be the a day later. I have to accept that likely neither of them has information that can prevent my mislynch, but if we're getting all the cards on the table then that includes their cards as well.

Between them I think I could ctes as scum more easily. One of his first posts of day 3 included:
"I think it would be useful to know because I'm gonna go ahead and be the person to say I doubt Plum was a mafia kill and then you can judge me for it. We went from three kills to one weird kill. While it's possible Lea can explain the SBell kill, it doesn't make the Plum kill less weird.

As far as I read it, Abacus/Isquen is responsible for neither block we know of, so that means IGCD would have something this night, right?"

Now calling out the plum kill as an anomaly is certainly fair to an extent since he's someone that few of us would have expected to die night 2. But if there IS some scum weirdness like they decided not to kill or they had some other ability that involved skipping a kill today, then scum would KNOW that they weren't the ones who sent the plum kill and they could be fishing for information on who actually did it. This comment could read as scum hunting SK.

And then going on to bring up the JK since scum would know they could pretty easily put pressure on whoever had been unlucky enough to be JK'd on a night they didn't send a kill.

Or perhaps scum DID send a kill but it was a delayed action kill? A poisoner action that can only be used in place of the regular night kill? That would give another possible interaction for the Mindful role AND explain why we were short a kill last night AND explain why ctes was trying to draw attention to the odd plum death. So yeah I think that possibility is enough to earn a vote as well.

##Vote: Ctes
##Unvote

That's probably all for me in terms of trying hard. I hope scum can be found among those 4, but I honestly don't know and can't possibly know what happened that put me into the situation I find myself. I'm just a guy with no actions and shitty fucking luck of the draw. But hey, lynching me is easy, so that's what you'll do. Lynching me doesn't involve trying hard to wrap your mind around any number of bizarre possibilities that may have occurred.

I've done my best to spend time thinking on it, but other than unconfirmable theories it just isn't possible to bring anything else to the table. I can't know with certainty who is lying, I can only say who MAY be lying and how their potential lies MAY explain why only plum died. And clearly no amount of that effort will allow me to see day 4. So I hope everyone's happy to be putting the person who is legitimately trying harder than anyone else in the grave. And I know you feel like you "have to" because of circumstances, but you're gonna wish you didn't after you see my flip.

And hell my vote doesn't matter today so I'm just going to leave it on the person who pissed me off more than most. At worst he is scum, and at best he is town who completely bungled a night action given to him by our coupon lord.

##Vote: BCT

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 2:26:00 AM
#269
##Unvote
##Vote: Peaf

Two roles that involve access to Dead Town Chat? In consecutive games? And this one magically makes you scan guilty AND prevents your role from being known? Now the role itself likely exists, otherwise Peaf would be forced to "use" it and try to bluff his way out of not actually having DTC access? There are enough people both alive and dead who should know specific enough things to be unfakeable so it would be a tall task to go for a full on bluff.

With that said I think the ability should be used today while Chang and I are both alive to verify whatever it is that corrik states about Neighbor chat. Increase our odds to at least validate the role itself even if the alignment is another story.

But then we're still looking at a DTC that necessarily must be uninformed so other than confirming that Peaf has access to them with their specificity it won't tell us too much else.

A point in Peaf's favor is the fact that, like neighbors, his role would have shown up with Sultan's PT Cop Scan.

But a point against Peaf is everything else about the role. Turning into an everything miller who can't be save and won't be revealed on death after ability usage? It's bizarre to say the least.

It could maybe be more easily expalined as a scum role that gives scum team an opportunity to snoop on the dead chat after a few days. This would allow them to find out the identity of whoever their Looper targetted and maybe get a clue on night actions if any town power died before revealing info. People in DTC wouldn't have expected him so it stands to reason Lea will have full claimed and if there was someone with info they would have shared it.

Another point against Peaf is he's one of two people that Plum mentioned a few times on day 2 as a suspect. This could support the idea that Plum might have been targeted by scum for the suspicions he was voicing in spite of other reasons to target someone else.

##Unvote

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 2:25:15 AM
#268
##Unvote
##Vote: BCT

Let's say it's not Isquen then, but who? Well nothing about BCT's claim today fits with my understanding of how night actions should be resolved. It's been hashed and rehashed, but the bottom line is that it is hard to understand how a bus driver can bus a RB to himself and then receive a RB message. Either the Bus happens first or the RB happens first and in neither situation would the Bus Driver get a RB message unless the RB was aimed at the driver (BCT) and not IGCD as we've all assumed.

BCT's first post in day 2 led with this:
"Okay, so I found something interesting in my mailbox last night. Well leave it at that, seeing as what it was does not matter since it was roleblocked. Not sure why scum would roleblock someone who doesn't have a role tbh."

Now we're given to understand from Death's claim that BCT would be aware what his gift did before he tried to use it. So he should know that only actions aimed at IGCD would hit him and vis-versa, but only if they actions targeting them happened after the bus occurred. He could have saved us ALL a lot of headache if he had just targetted anyone other than the person who claimed to be RB'd night 1, but of course he did not so here we are.

Does any of this make BCT guaranteed scum? No. But it's an inconsistency and a pretty damn large one. We only have it on BCT's word that Blade/Crescent would resolve a Bus/RB interaction the way he's describing and it just can't form into a situation that makes sense.

But then how does hypothetical scum BCT behave when being given a bus? Well if we assume he's a scum who received a night action he'd have to pretend to use it, especially if he didn't actually want to use it. Scum would probably be loathe to actually use a self bus drive since that could have some unintended consequences. So you'd have to claim blocked, right? But how can you claim blocked if you're claimed vanilla? You claim you tried to swap yourself with the claimed power, the same claimed power who was blocked the previous day. And moving forward with this not quite fully formed idea could potentially allow you to overlook the paradoxical interaction that is Self Bus Driver vs Roleblocker.

It's thin maybe, but it's something.

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~C~ FD
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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/12/23 2:24:59 AM
#267
tl:dr
You'll probably just be annoyed because then you'll have to go back and read these words and actually care about them rather than whatever half assed skimming you do the first time. But consider that a parting gift from me to you: the fact that you'll be required to spend a modicum of effort consuming my thoughts once my alignment is confirmed.

Here are my thoughts on people who I think are more likely to be scum in this clusterf*** of a game.

##Vote: Isquen

Why Isquen? Well it seems like 99% of the case against me is based upon the fact that I was supposedly jailkept on Night 2. Maybe there is not actually a town JK and once again the person who got pressured to claim town JK really is just the scum roleblocker.

It's by no means guaranteed, but I certainly hope it's him since you seem gung-ho to go for him next. Him being scum is the best way to provent consecutive mislynches. But him not being JK raises just as many questions as it answers. If JK target on me is a lie then what happened instead? Where did the scum kill go? If he is scum RB then we would have to believe he targeted IGCD both nights, so who sent in the kill? There doesn't seem to be anything else claimed that would stop a kill so it would HAVE to be a kill sent on plum (stacking with red's claimed kill) OR some freaky no-kill situation. Either choosing not to kill to sow chaos or there's some unfathomable scum role that gets stronger by the team NOT killing. Sort of the opposite of Dumey's role?

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~C~ FD
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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/11/23 9:04:57 PM
#245
Forgive the multiple grammar and autocorrect fails. Phone posts suck when you don't proof read

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~C~ FD
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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/11/23 9:03:33 PM
#244
Welp Wednesday is my standing day to hang out with my mom each week, so I'm back from that but I see I've still got one foot on the grave. Please don't end the day early, that's bad for town and you have an entire day to try and think about what happens next. You're just throwing away time that could be spent towards contemplation if your end early.

For my part I'm gonna spend a couple hours and put together a massive post that you'll all ignore until I flip town tomorrow so expect that later. I'm going to be pissed while I write it because I'm pissed now but you'll forgive me after the flip so I'll take solace in that.

Red I still REALLY want you to be scum because that will make today much easier to swallow. I can't control what scum did it didn't do last night and you're putting it on me and me alone to solve and prove it, I'm fucking mad about that. Do you make vanillas explain why they're were less night kills than anticipated? I just don't understand why it's falling on me and me alone to figure out why no one else died and your dismissive attitude about any potential theory has been borderline cruel. All I have are theories because that's all I CAN have.

You can expect a lot more of that ^ a bit later I guess. Time to put in more work on topics 1-4.

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~C~ FD
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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/11/23 6:19:38 PM
#207
My role pm does and it fucking sucks that I'm going to die just because I got saved (potentially)

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~C~ FD
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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/11/23 6:05:05 PM
#200
By all means unravel how you feel a Selfbus + Roleblock is supposed to interact. I've been trying and nothing matches what is being claimed to have occurred.

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~C~ FD
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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/11/23 6:03:02 PM
#197
Leafeon13N posted...
The reasonable explanation is you are scum.

Then the unreasonable reality is that I am not scum and you will have to deal with that, so you might as well start thinking about it now.

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~C~ FD
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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/11/23 6:02:26 PM
#196
Leafeon13N posted...
Scum isn't fucking shooting into the neighborhood again.

Then tell me what scenario explains me being town, because THAT'S the one that actually happened.

I don't spend 2 fucking hour bickering with Corrik just before he turns up dead. If I knew he had a kill coming his way then I certainly had better things to do that day than prep a post calling him out on the back of his refusal to back down from an impossible miller claim.

I don't spend time pouring over old posts and sharing information with Chang. I certainly don't do it AFTER I was allegedly roleblocked from sending the night kill. I spent a LOT of time in the neighborhood between the beginning of the day and the point where Isquen claimed their actions. I would have had better things to do in a universe where I received a roleblock message while trying to send a kill.

You can argue it's an act sure, but it's an act that I legitimately would not have the time to put on.

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~C~ FD
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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/11/23 5:56:53 PM
#193
Leafeon13N posted...
FD scum is the only result thst clarifiesshit we actually have on the table.

\Then you better start thinking what FD Town clarifies because THAT is what you are going to get if you lynch me.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/11/23 5:56:24 PM
#192
PeaceFrog posted...
So with red's conviction here i am leaning towards killing fd

What do you learn when I flip town? That someone tried to kill me or that Isquen is a liar? Is that a 50/50 or is one scenario more likely?

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/11/23 5:55:24 PM
#189
Also Dumey was SEEN visiting the dead person.

I was allegedly jailkept which could also mean that a kill on me was stopped.

Not sure how you think those are the same.

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~C~ FD
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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/11/23 5:54:08 PM
#187
Leafeon13N posted...
FD is as damned as Dumey is please get out of your own heads. I'm fine analyzing other targets but we literally have roles on the board saying FD only makes sense as scum.

You are wrong. I would hate for you to have to mislynch me to see that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong about me, no matter how much you want to be right.

I'm sorry that there isn't a clear explanation for no one but plum dying last night, but I can't change whatever happened to cause this situation, all I can do is try to prevent my own mislynch.

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~C~ FD
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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Forceful_Dragon
10/11/23 5:51:32 PM
#184
IfGodCouldDie posted...
I'll be honest, you're starting to convince me that you are protecting him..

I will absolutely lynch BCT over myself and he is a million % more likely to be scum than I am (divide by zero error actually), I just want to follow that forward a step and see what we stand to gain from the theory that BCT is scum who only pretended to swap with you and eat your roleblock. If he's scum then we stand to gain a dead scum by lynching him, that much is obvious. I was just hoping there would be something a but more logical about the entire proposed series of events.

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