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Umbreon posted...

It's the same picture.

Nah, you're putting way too much value on a label.

KitKats posted...

You argued that trans women are women is a political view, which is honestly wrong and dangerous to marginalized and vulnerable minorities.

It is definitely a political issue. It can be political and also dangerous at the same time. Many political debates deal with serious issues like gun violence, healthcare, etc.

Who said a thing can't be political and dangerous at the same time?

Umbreon posted...

Feel like calling someone's very existence a "political issue" is just a way to justify any bigotry towards them as a 'personal opinion'.

I'm not calling a person's existence a political issue, I'm saying that the exact definition of words like "man," "woman," and "gender" have become political issues.

hockeybub89 posted...

There is a singular objective reality and everything else is a delusion.

You know what's kinda funny about this?

I've seen that exact same phrase posted on r/The_Donald back in the day when I was a hardcore Trump supporter.

hockeybub89 posted...

The difference is one side is correct. People who are wrong should be publicly shamed and belittled if they refuse to choose to be correct.

Okay but we're talking in circles because the other side would say the exact same thing, and they will have exactly the same degree of certainty that you do in the belief that they are in the right.

I'm not saying they are right, but they do believe they're right. Hence, it's a big political issue.

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The difference between a political activist and a crackpot comes down to how many people they can convince to agree with them.

This theory is very unlikely to be accepted by a significant number of people, and though it might be classified as a political issue, it's really not going to gain any prominence because most people aren't going to argue about it.

For example, if someone were to protest outside a water treatment plant with a sign saying "Stop dumping water from the sky!!" then it would be a political issue because they're trying to change something about society as they perceive it (whether that's really how it is or not).

The fact that they're mistaken does not make it less of a political issue.

KitKats posted...

oh boy

Am I wrong? Am I lying when I say that both sides think they're correct?

Revelation34 posted...

"Theft of trade secrets".

Yes, that is a quotation from the document I just linked to you. Thanks for telling me?

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I'm also not trying to say Republicans are "right" about their views on gender identity, don't forget. For the most part they're absolutely wrong.

All I've been trying to say is that yes, clarifying the meaning and usage of certain words can absolutely be a political issue.

There's a reason political debates get so heated. Neither side thinks they're wrong, and when one side declares themselves to be "objectively right" it just widens the gap between sides. It doesn't erase the argument, it just makes it more intense.

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I'm not a Republican anymore.

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I can see we're not going to gain anything from arguing this any further. I've said what I intended to say and you've had your chance to do the same.

Respectfully, I still disagree with you.

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This is where it becomes political. You think there is only one valid way to interpret the issue. That is your opinion on the matter. You can provide arguments to support this opinion.

On the other hand, the other side can also provide arguments to support their opinion. Whether or not you agree with those arguments is irrelevant, because the very existence of those arguments is what makes the matter political.

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And both sides are pretty sure they're correct and would say the exact same thing, but they would mean opposite things.

I think you understand what a political issue is. Feeling strongly about an issue is not enough to make it apolitical. In fact, the reason it's political in the first place is because people with multiple different viewpoints of the issue feel very strongly about their viewpoint.

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According to some people, yes. According to others, no. It's all up to interpretation and individual expressions.

Political issues are not simple. Political issues are not black and white. People get very invested in political issues because they feel so strongly that they're in the right and their opposition is wrong.

It's disingenuous to say that gender identity is not a political issue. Without a shred of doubt, it's a political issue. It's the subject of political discussion, debate, lawmaking, campaign platforms, etc.

Revelation34 posted...

Section 230.

As I understand it, section 230 applies when a user uploads criminal/illegal content to a website (such as pirated movies, illegal/obscene material, etc.). It protects the website host from being held liable for things uploaded by its users.

The difference here is that people aren't "uploading" AI art to the website. The website itself is creating the images from within.

Revelation34 posted...

Copyright infringement is not theft.

Semantics aside, read this:

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ccips/file/891011/download

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...So you're saying it's a political issue because one side tends to interpret the data in one way while another side tends to interpret it in a different way?

That's exactly what happens with gender politics, too. Both sides think they're correct. If you want to say an issue is "not political" then you'd have to get both sides to agree that it's not political.

Otherwise, it's definitely political even if you don't believe it should be. Believing it shouldn't be political is a very different thing from deciding that it isn't political.

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So you would say that the statistics can be a political issue despite being, on their face, factual? Those statistics do exist, and they can be cited and validated in their methodology. Factors such as bias, disproportionate sentencing, etc. can be used as counterpoints, but the fact that an argument against a statistic exists at all serves as proof that a "fact" can still be a subject of heated political debate.

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I'm going to use a rather controversial example here, but please understand I'm only referencing it as a counterpoint.

There are widely-known and oft-discussed crime statistics out there which attribute 50% of all murders and violent crime in America to the African American population. Are those statistics political or not?

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That's definitely a major issue as well, and in my opinion it's the biggest issue with AI artwork in general.

It also makes a ton of sense not to allow copyrighted stuff because, even if it's covered by fanart stipulations and such (which it should be, I'm not saying it's illegal), then the creators of the AI or even Microsoft (the hosts of this portal) might be held accountable as if they were the ones who created the artwork specifically.

So even though fanart is legal, it might be different if, say, McDonald's sees that Microsoft is facilitating the creation of images that depict Ronald McDonald snorting cocaine or doing something much worse.

There are other AI programs out there which aren't so heavily moderated and people constantly use them to create pornography and shock material that doesn't really need to be encouraged by major companies lol

Necronmon posted...

Er...bump?

Alrighty.

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right, but we're not talking about drawings, we're talking about mass-produced AI reproductions of copyrighted material. A piece of AI artwork is not a drawing in the traditional sense.

KitKats posted...

vaccines cause autism is a political view

I mean...that is also definitely a political view. Yes, there is plenty of data to prove it wrong. There is also some research data to either cast doubt or outright support the theory (even if that data is incredibly flawed and most intelligent people will know it's faulty)...More specifically, the belief that the statement is true informs people's political views.

Vaccines are a huge political issue.

KitKats posted...

My existence is not up for debate

No, you definitely exist. But gender politics are definitely real. These political debates won't disappear just because you don't think they should be considered political issues.

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Yeah? Fanfiction isn't mass-produced by AI.

It's also just written words, and it isn't going to confuse anybody.

TeamSilent4Life posted...

I look around and all I see is privileged 'normies'

Bruh for the love of God this is something you should be telling to a therapist. Cease this at once.

AnsestralRecall posted...

no need to be less predictable when i'm predictably correct

I'm glad I don't live in your imaginary world where stealing from people is a good thing.

TeamSilent4Life posted...

I'm curious how we're supposed to survive this harsh world if we're literally drowning in despair with no lifeboat to save us

Learn to swim.

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I mean, it is definitely a political view. I agree with it, personally, but it is absolutely a political issue.

It's not as simple as declaring that a subject "isn't political," because if another viewpoint strongly disagrees and significant political discourse centers around the matter, it is undeniably a political issue.

The very definitions of words like man, woman, gender, etc. have become frequent topics of political debate over the last couple of decades.

GATTJT posted...

Imagine being willing to go to prison because you can't get over your irrational hatred for a group of people

Imagine thinking it should be up to the government to decide which opinions are legal to have.

Imagine wanting to lock people up because they disagree with your political views though

AnsestralRecall posted...

nope, copyright shouldn't be respected so long as it isn't being used for financial gain

Why am I not surprised to hear this take coming from someone who's pro-shoplifting?

Come on, be less predictable lol

Wolverine, Cyclops, or Magneto depending on the day.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Maddox is pretty cool

You don't want that name, trust me.

That's what they said. The don't want "no drama"

So they make sure they get "Yes drama"

Banjo, easy

AnsestralRecall posted...

if its used for depictions of real people, sure, but cry me a fucking river about copyrighted material

Copyrighted material should be kept out of AI creations 100%

Revelation34 posted...

There's nothing wrong with AI generated pornographic content

... there can be

It's perfectly reasonable to block the use of real people, copyrighted characters, and brands. Same with offensive, violent, or pornographic material.

People cannot be trusted with that much power. Especially not with a product endorsed by Microsoft.

I've seen this around a bunch. This exact image. I don't know where it came from or when but it's been in circulation for a while.