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Ashethan posted...

Are you saying this made you suspicious, or just that you found it funny after finding him suspicious?

That. If hes scum itll end up being funny and ironic.

UltimaterializerX posted...

K

Learn how to actually kill scum instead of active town one game and Ill stop making fun of you. Like last game? You actually caught me day 1 because of a pocket.

Unfortunately bad players (you) are the type to let it carry over and think oh darn the deep wolf last time even though it has no effect on a new set of integers. Please remember this when you see my PM flip and everything I said about it is truth.

Someone tell me what is scummy about this post. Its not hard to figure out

I mean Jags went from first overall pick in the draft two years in a row to winning a playoff game. Of course landing a HC of Doug Pedersons caliber and having a QB like Trevor Lawrence most likely isnt right around the corner for the Bears

Ashethan posted...

I don't think it has anything to do with him voting Ulti. I think it's just him responding to Sultan. Though it was after my post where I asked him what changed his mind about Ulti between post #64 and now.

this. Guess I shouldve responded to Ashe first

Ashethan posted...

Please do. What changed your mind since post #64?

Biggest thing is vibes telling me hes lying. The vast majority of the time in mafia liars are scum. Worst case scenario if he was a mislynch, the last game he lied as town had town totally in the weeds and it was a detriment anyway. But whats tipping the scale now is I feel like hes scum specifically.

I went back and re-read the first half of t1. Ulti was pocketing/buttering people up like crazy more than Ive ever seen him do as town.

First post of the game ulti posted

1.054 - SBell, Crescent, IGCD, and probably Red are all lock town because I too had the same reaction. Am I a survivor or what? WTF does my role even do?

And town is far, far more willing to have those types of vibes off the cuff than scum is. Scum would wait and check reactions before jumping in and asking e is going on. Being able to green check SBell early especially is always nice.


I found it comical he posted saying this a little over an hour after the game began. lol

My thought process went yes indy -> fuck yes mafia -> fuck town.

Just realized brohan claimed scum whose first thought upon realizing they were scum is how much they hate town

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1719407744107643062?s=42&t=fxehLIK9_9kgocxXX3Z48g

Bigger than Rodgers to the Jets

1.139 lol

Crescent-Moon posted...

Brohan has posted once in this entire game.

Correction, he also said cUm to, uh prove his identity

##Unvote
##Vote: Ulti

I feel good about this. Happy to elaborate.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Citation needed.

I never one time lied in that entire game. Not once.

Bro you spent like an entire day saying you were a fish vendor

EDumey posted...

I get that you voted based on the initial post. I just thought you would have updated that read by now is all.

all the beating a dead horse about traits didnt change the fact I never had a problem with investigating the miller claim in and of itself so I dont get what you expected to change

https://twitter.com/btrossler/status/1719381942200668191?s=42&t=fxehLIK9_9kgocxXX3Z48g

elite franchise stuff

Chaeix posted...

didnt Ulti not know that he was a vanilla until he claimed and people had to work through it with him

not sure how much we can assess based off this is how Ulti in X role would be

if youre town, sigh. Everyone always makes excuses.

You can feel the gleeful energy through the keyboard from ulti. Even after his sudden crystal clarity about 100% being vanilla. Hes almost definitely not vanilla

UltimaterializerX posted...

Go read Kirbys Smash mafia.

We had to work out Ultis clairvoyant beetle role for him, there is no way hes telling the truth with something this confusing/dumb.

Ill let you check the flip that game yourself before I laugh at you.

As town you intentionally misled town and acted like your role was impossible to understand. It wasnt. Only reason Im not already voting you.

EDumey posted...

This one, King? We've had a LOT of discussion about traits since then, and I've clarified why I wanted to poke around them a bit more. Knowing what we know about how active traits are explicitly spelled out, but passive traits may not be explicitly spelled out, does that make you curious about Red's confident Miller claim, even though Miller is something that would probably be classified as passive, and not have an explicit "You are guilty to scanners" message associated with it?
Even if you don't agree with the conclusion I eventually came to, is it so odd that knowing that I have a trait I'm confused about whether or not is flavor or passive, does that make sense why I was interested in asking questions of a Miller?

I just feel like we've had SO much conversation about these topics that it's strange that your opinion wouldn't have updated at all so far.

I mean in that very post you quoted I say I dont have a problem with exploring the miller claim itself but I felt a scummy energy from you in the process. Might sound dumb but its the same thing I picked up on in fantasy novel mafia.

However, Ultis brohan vote is bad. On top of everything else.

Heres where Im at, Ulti is 90%+ lying about being vanilla. But is he lying scum or lying town, both are possible.

Vanilla ulti isnt this excited or involved. He also hasnt addressed scum which he loves to do as town

EDumey posted...

I have literally justified it all in previous posts that I'm too lazy to reiterate while phone posting at lunch. I have a long post about Ulti's behavior and how I read him as mostly reaction testing until several days into the game. I think his behavior even now with the frenzied role discussion fits into that.

Heres the million dollar question from me. Has anyone actually seen town ulti as a vanilla do this? I havent

EDumey posted...

Wallz do you still want me dead or have you just not bothered moving your vote during all this Ulti talk?

Id be lying if I said I havent come close to moving my vote but that doesnt say anything about my feelings towards you. You have not done anything to undo my first impression.

PeaceFrog posted...

Uh ctes, you have Dumey on dumey action up there

hawt, Im sorry I missed it.

Im not sorry I missed the ensuing 75 posts wondering if Dumeys TRAITS actually makes him a secret double voter who can only vote for himself with the second vote

UltimaterializerX posted...

You guys really never l

wait a sec this guy actually learned !!

You said that last game and you were scum. Turd. I take zero flattered feelings from this.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Wall please do us a favor and never type that way again

Sure, but I stand by its use

Ulti, how does a cat work as a PGO and why would you possibly mistake a PGO for vanilla? If you say my role pm is so messy bro! I will vote for you and not move it off. Elaborate.

Fascinating to seemingly watch others form Ultis flavor for him right before our very eyes lmao

Town ulti makes unknown alignment ulti so annoying to discern because Ulti does this exact crap as both alignments. I agree with death he has been laying the I cAnT rEaD mY rOlE pM bit on rather thick.

Im curious to know how Jones the Cat could be interpreted a paranoid gun owner. ..

Ulti + Dumey are scum = Ulti is paying attention to votals and wants to move his vote

Ulti scum, Dumey town = Sure Ulti could move his vote thinking Dumey isnt going anywhere now and he moves it back later if it suits him

Ulti town, Dumey any = I doubt Ulti paid that much attention to votals in this scenario lol

When Ulti is poking people for a reaction I feel like he more often than not votes for or suspects the person he wants a reaction from. So voting for the one person who has yet to show to see if opportunistic scum jumps on to the guy who is now at checks notes -8, yeah no.

If that was ultis intent with Dumey he also couldve questioned me or another person who voted Dumey after. Ashethan questioned my vote. Ulti just moved it unceremoniously.

to get reactions it would make more sense to move your vote to someone who has posted already and looked questionable.

Lea, you have not really been posting much yet, but you did comment on a couple people. What stands out was you thought crescent seemed suspicious and you declared ulti vanilla.

What has made you feel so strongly about ulti being vanilla this early?

htaeD posted...

Though I also mean to say that I dont think Edumey has to be scum if Ulti is.

I agree with this.

Sure, Ulti saying hes town for x reasons (sometimes logically good, sometimes bad) is not exclusive to either alignment. But I see a difference in obviously Im town. Its obvious guys you suck at mafia if you cant tell and everyone knows my scum meta and Im not in my scum meta right now right after he had a deep scum run coupled with the Dumey unvote and parking FD vote.

Im not voting ulti yet for it but I think a higher level of scrutiny is warranted.

wallmasterz posted...

Not ready to join you quite yet peaf but dont hate the ulti vote. Stood out to me earlier when he said as scum I try to suck up to/pocket friends and I vote/sus scummates then pull off or something like that. Theres a decent chance ulti has rolled scum twice in a row and his post I paraphrased is him acknowledging that he has to change up his style because he just had a deep run as scum and he is feeling hesitant this game because he cant play the same way.

htaeD posted...

I should once again remind people that Ulti already changed up his scumgame last time, since he didnt do the "vote scumpartner and then drop it later" a single time.

So it sounds like youre agreeing that ulti comment rings a bit hollow/insincere?

Ulti knows damn well hes not one dimensional as scum. This makes me question the motive behind him dropping a post to say lulz everyone knows what scum ulti is like and this isnt it 0:-)

Not ready to join you quite yet peaf but dont hate the ulti vote. Stood out to me earlier when he said as scum I try to suck up to/pocket friends and I vote/sus scummates then pull off or something like that. Theres a decent chance ulti has rolled scum twice in a row and his post I paraphrased is him acknowledging that he has to change up his style because he just had a deep run as scum and he is feeling hesitant this game because he cant play the same way.

Crescent what do you think of sultan so far? Keep in mind he had champs these past few games but thats over now.

Vote crescent or dont but that shouldnt be a factor in ones assessment.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Wall protecting IGCD is a bit interesting

Putting this in my pocket and saving it for later

I think youre a good enough player not to actually believe thats protecting. Im starting to lean scum on you. As scum you have picked on me before because Im typically not good enough to shake off most votes, even ones with weak reasoning. But this just feels blatantly like youre setting something half-arsed up to justify voting me later for a bad reason.

I dont have an opinion on IGCD so far. documenting past behavior and comparing it to the current game is a service to town. If I see people being too quick to town pile or sus and it goes unaddressed, Im speaking up.

Obellisk posted...

It was her original insult of the host which led to my unvoting her in the first place. There was something about her annoyance by the system that didn't feel scum to me.

Bad reasoning as I spelled out above in the posts you havent read.

IGCD as town did not post a lot last game, his activity fluctuated between normal and below normal. I thought he was scum at one point because it felt like he was coasting. At one point he mostly liked to focus on the whole coalition thing he started. Of course he was town who doubled down lying about a guilty scan on me then got himself modkilled. So IGCDs current activity level is consistent with last game, and it doesnt mean anything.

Death and Peaf I dont recall if you played Hans all day vig game but crescent complained more than once about that game both in-game and on the scum board, as scum. This means nothing. If youre town I understand wanting to pull some meaning from things where we can but there is zero reason to take any meaning from Crescents trait frustration or misunderstanding, be it real or not.

Corrik7 posted...

I don't like wallz right now

If youre town, I think you have liked town wallz exactly once before so Im unsurprised.

Not looking great.

i dont know what to make of crescent denying this when it has happened like twice since I was scum with her in Hans all day vigs game

thats good stuff on crescent, FD. Im not positive it means crescent is scum but I think you look town for it.

Scum crescent busses like crazy. Just file this knowledge away in case either her or Dumey flip scum.

Mass claims are now three days like your favorite music festivals. Everyone claims a different trait each day! How magical!

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Wallz feels more like someone TRYING to be unmemorable?

It wouldve hurt less if you day vigged me.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I'm just about at solid neutral with Ulti, though it's gotten harder for me to read him since he suddenly started being super nice to me and my brain always thinks there's an ulterior motive.

You and Ulti shared the strongest reaction to Dumeys opening. What do you make of Ulti removing his vote and moving it to the only person who had yet to post at the time?

Dumey, thanks for clearing up jcs misreading of my post.

And we all are aware FD hasnt shown up. A single vote isnt doing crap. Therefore the more interesting way to view it, if you think it was intentional, is moving off Dumey

Peaf it doesnt make you scum but its interesting you immediately characterize it as lazy. Yes moving to someone who may not show up at all allows him to potentially park his vote for much, maybe all of remainder of d1. It could be laziness. But he already made a big point of saying how obvious it is Dumey is scum and now the heat has died down a bit around Dumey for now and hes moving off. Isnt it lazier to just keep your vote on your supposedly confident scum read? Its not exactly like ulti put him at -1

PeaceFrog posted...

Your threats to dumey are far more dull when you hop off on a lazy path a few hours later

See this interests me and is why I asked ulti for a read before you posted this.

Ulti has complained about inactives getting a free ride through early game as both alignments but here hes just moving his vote off Dumey with no development or explanation to prompt it. Is it lazy or a calculated move? If Dumey is scum its especially noteworthy.

Please

Ulti make and share a new read based on existing content.

htaeD posted...

But Sultan did also remind me that the OP said the word 'survivor' a lot.

This assumes sultan read the OP and also, he said he got the term from his role pm

*slow clap*

I have my own thoughts but would like to get some opinions from others first. Is it weird Sultan brought the term survivor into that conversation? Does it mean nothing? Does sultan just really like destinys child?