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Around 0:10 is when the Tesla comes into view and has the left turn blinker on. They merge into the left lane and stop.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LandOfSticks/status/1613187200249643010

Of course people noticed and are now talking about it. So good job I guess.

legendary_zell posted...

I don't think it's performative to not put money in a bigot's pockets

So where's this energy when it comes to other things like phones and computers where people have died over the mining of the resources needed to build the parts. Or clothing as that's largely made in sweatshops in foreign countries so they can be cheaper to sell.

If you really care about not putting money into the pockets of bad people, there's plenty of others consumer products that people are buying far more than this single game.

And let's not forget about big game studios under fire for workplace harassment and how no one was like "if you continue to buy blizzard games, you support workplace harassment".

People every day contribute the bad people profiting off their bad actions and yet it's a video game that people are pretending they actually care about the money going to.

legendary_zell posted...

If someone can be swayed to become a transphobe or away from equality because they were asked not to buy a videogame, they were already a transphobe or what MLK Jr. would have referred to as a "white moderate" and they are already part of the problem.

It's not about the people being alienated suddenly becoming transphobes. It's about people who would otherwise join you in your support being alienating away from supporting you, because you would rather make a nothingburger over a game purchase.

legendary_zell posted...

There's no reason to assume I don't already do those things you listed

Maybe don't go assuming people who want to enjoy the new Harry Potter game are bigots.

If you guys want to play internet activist where you attack people for not conforming to your movement in the precise way you want, don't be surprised when you don't have people wanting to help you.

On the argument that she was tricked:

It's also possible she's still working with ISIS and is just trying to get back to US for a mission.

We'll never know what is actually true and I don't blame the US government barring her, because it's the safer option.

legendary_zell posted...

It seems weird to me that people are minimizing potentially putting more money in Rowling's pockets or giving the impression that her anti-trans activism will have no impact on her brand or bottom line.

It seems little different that buying a Kanye album or Yeezys in 2023. For people that claim to be allies, you could buy so many other things and get equal enjoyment without doing something that you know many trans people feel bad about. The upside is just one videogame among countless others, while the downside is making trans people feel like there's no consequence for going after them.

Seems like a fairly easy decision, and yet so many have spent a ton of energy trying to convince LGBT people that they're overreacting on this one.

Not buying the game isn't going to stop Rowling from pushing her views. Her not getting whatever from royalties isn't going to stop her from using her already acquired wealth to push policies.

This quite literally a case of people doing performance activism where the outcome doesn't matter and it allows people to pat themselves on the back for doing nothing.

And at the end of the day all you are accomplishing by attacking people looking to buy and play a video game is to alienate them from the cause you care so much about.

There's far better things you could be putting energy into. You could start rallies for trans rights. You could talk to your representative about trans rights. And when anti-trans laws are enacted, you can go start protests. All those things are more likely to net positives for the trans rights movements than attacking people over a video game.

Is it the most hyped game?

Honestly if it wasn't for people screaming about how you are anti-trans for buying the game, I likely would haven't noticed it being released.

justaguy3492 posted...

That's literally cyricz entire personality.

Honestly it's just crazy that someone is so dedicated to calling anyone who wants to play a specific video game anti-trans. You couldn't pay me enough to care about other people's personal entertainment choices on that level.

Ryzen_9_5950X posted...

People complaining about the game and it wasn't for the reason I expected. The high system requirements GTX 1070 for minimum is pretty steep and apparently you are running at low and resolution scaling may be needed. The recommended settings are pretty high too. 1080 Ti and that is only for 1080p high and with resolution scaling. I can't imagine how beefy of a rig do you need for 4k. I do think this game will end up as a benchmark since this game is quite next gen when it comes to system requirements. I hope I am okay with my RTX 3070 Ti and I probably have to temper my expectations and settle for running the game at 1080p.

Also the Streisand effect is in full force here. Admittedly this game wasn't even on my radar. However, with people complaining for a reason that has nothing to do with the game itself, it has gotten my interest. I may actually pick it up, probably not at full price at launch, but when there is a decent sale. So the attempt to cancel the game is getting more people interested which is pretty funny.

What's crazy is the game is suppose to be released on the Switch in July. I've been running a 1060 GTX for a while now and seeing this game's min specs has reminded me that I should upgrade my comptuer. I'm actually looking to build a new PC this summer since any upgrades at this point would require a new CPU and new motherboard.

creativerealms posted...

Some are more evil then others.

Being less evil doesn't change the fact they are still evil. You'll be hard pressed to buy anything from anywhere where someone down the line is doing something evil. Especially when it's a few big companies that own a bunch of smaller companies who then own smaller companies and etc.

You really can't escape contributing to evil unless you go completely off the grid.

There's non-evil companies?

Alucard188 posted...

Even then, speaking from a CIS male perspective, I found the revealing of Dumbledore's sexuality to be very cynically motivated and not a true representation. She just casually drops it in an interview after the final book was released. Nothing about it in the books whatsoever. She has the writing acumen of Dr Suess.

tbf, She did a lot of unnecessary additions after the books were written to the series that are just like why?

https://www.vice.com/en/article/9k44zd/yes-harry-potter-wizards-pooped-their-pants-pottermore

Sometimes less is more.

SenlinDescends posted...

There is no nuance here. If you know and understand what's going on with JKR and still support her, as you are doing by buying this game, then you are making it clear that you do not care about trans people or their safety, which makes you a bad person. End of story.

I'm sorry your world view is so black and white. I hope you don't products from companies that outsource labor to poorer countries. Because then you clearly support exploitation of workers.

thronedfire2 posted...

So like

arent all the people that crashed into it at fault? The same as they would be if anyone had just stopped their car like that on purpose

Given that Teslas aren't actually fully self driving, yes. But Tesla is at fault for aggressively advertiser their car feature as being fully self driving.

Revelation34 posted...

Children who save their allowance money are terrible people.

The people making these statements don't care about nuance. They just want to blanket a bunch of people as enemies and then wonder why people it's hard to get support for their movement.

Isn't it the best selling game now? It's top of the Top Sellers list atm.

dj1200 posted...

Are they going to get rid of the self driving feature? How many crashes does it take? It seems like another news story pops up about every two months.

They aren't going to get rid of it, but Elon has been getting sued for calling it Full Self-Driving and California put out a law to force Tesla to stop calling it that IIRC.

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but do you actually verify that these claims are true?

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

People, y'all are probably literally wearing clothes right now produced with sweatshop labor. It doesn't mean you support it.

You don't go out of your way to make sure all your clothes are purchased in a way that the money never falls into the handles of bad people?

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They want the court to ignore a legal gender change. If they get a legal gender change and there's a precedent of the court ignoring a legal gender change, that can hurt them.

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I don't get the end goal here for the trans rights group. They want the court to ignore the gender change, because they don't feel it's a valid? Couldn't the same be said for trans people? It's a weird precedent for the group to want to set when it can backfire on them.

Not to mention the child.

https://krcrtv.com/news/nation-world/man-changes-gender-to-win-custody-battle-infuriating-trans-rights-group- ecuadorian-ecuador-ren-salinas-ramos-transgender-divorce-marriage-fight-femenino-diane-rodrguez

CUENCA, Ecuador (TND) A transgender rights group is up in arms after an Ecuadorian man changed his gender to help him win a custody battle for his kids.

Ren Salinas Ramos, 47, told Ecuadorian news outlet La Voz del Tomebamba that the laws in his country favor mothers over fathers when it comes to custody battles. Therefore, he decided to legally change his gender, which he showed proof of by displaying his ID that now lists Salinass new gender identity: "FEMENINO."

Salinas Ramos alleged his daughters were living in an abusive environment with their mother, and that he hasnt been able to see them in over five months, according to La Voz del Tomebamba.

The laws say that the one who has the right is the woman. As of this moment, I am female. Now Im also a mom, thats how I consider myself, Salinas Ramos reportedly told the local outlet. I am very sure of my sexuality. What I have sought is that I want to be a mother, so that I can also give the love and protection of a mother.

Salinas Ramos noted that his actions were not against anyone in particular, but against the system.

Being a father in this country, Ecuador, is punished and looked at only as a supplier, he reportedly argued.

But despite Salinas Ramos's noble desire to win his kids back from their allegedly abusive mother, his gender change has trans activists in the country upset.

Diane Rodrguez, the director of the Ecuadorian Federation of LGBTI Organizations, argues what Salinas Ramos is doing isnt the spirit of the law," according to VICE News.

We are afraid that in the Assembly things will go backwards and they will start legislating against us, she added, according to VICE.
Rodrguezs organization also released a statement echoing her argument.

Although the optional gender change and sex change in the identity card of trans people is now a reality, it is important to indicate that the norm is not fully complied with, the statement asserted. We are surprised that a visibly cisgender man has passed with apparent ease the optional gender change in the ID, even when we have denounced that in the same city of Cuenca there have been problems for the recognition of gender and sex of Trans people.

In the end, the trans rights group requested that the Ecuadorian courts "make an interpretation on the application" of the current law in light of the circumstances surrounding Salinas Ramos.

hockeybub89 posted...

If you stop believing in something because people annoy you, then you never believed it in the first place.

The average person likely doesn't care enough one way or the other. The people who are already pro-trans or anti-trans are not going to be swayed easily by such, but I would say the majority of people likely don't have a strong opinion one way or the other, because they have no personal stake in it. And having people who at least claim to be pro-trans going after you for a hobby is not going to get those people to want to jump on board with them.

People are just simply picking the wrong thing to battle. Attacking people who might already support you for a hobby isn't going to help in the long run. If you have a personal decision to boycott the game because of Rowling, that's fine. If you want to suggest that other people do the same, that's also fine. But it's a problem when it turns into calling people bigots because they want to enjoy a game.

It's the same thing with the super vegan crowd. I can support people who choose to go meat free. But there are a small section of vegans who do attack people for their choices in their diet and that doesn't help you convince people to go vegan.

Did someone literally just complain people are defending their right to play a game.

Imagine unironically saying that.

gunplagirl posted...

If you're not even gonna try being clever with your intellectual dishonesty then I'm just gonna block you because at least the ones I haven't blocked are sometimes entertaining.

Ah yes, you can't actually disprove my statements so you're just going to plug your ears.

gunplagirl posted...

And again, they don't even support us

Nothing says you hate trans people more than playing video games.

gunplagirl posted...

Ah yes, because there's soooo many people supporting trans rights when we're seeing bills trying to ban people up to 26 from having access to hormones or any therapy that might even explore being anything but cisgender.

And yet instead of trying to do anything about it, you are attacking people who want to play a video game.

averagejoel posted...

if they stop supporting "the trans movement" because one trans person was kinda mean to them one time, they were not actually supporting it to begin with. this talking point was played out in 2016

I'm just saying. Don't be surprised when you guys drive away support because you want to heckle people over a video game.

gunplagirl posted...

Whats wrong with alienating and upsetting people by telling them that their money is directly harming minorities? If you have an issue with being told it, don't get mad at the messenger. Do your own fucking soul searching and maybe try to grow as a person and develop that concept that literal newborns tend to have known as empathy. :la

I'm sure alienating people who would otherwise support the trans movement from supporting the trans movement will accomplish what you want.

gunplagirl posted...

My point is that she's using money to directly fund hate groups that are pushing (and passing) anti trans legislation, such as those bills that will make being trans illegal by virtue of banning drag entirely.

And people can protest and rally against hate groups. Maybe if you spend all this time attacking people online for buying game to actually trying to engage people in the real world about trans issues, you might actually accomplish something.

But I guess you only want to pat yourself on the pat for doing nothing.

gunplagirl posted...

Let's say there was some fast food chain and for every value meal they sold, they would toss a puppy in a giant blender. "Oh you're overreacting, and you're ridiculous for getting angry at people spending their money on that chain. Let people enjoy food!" Never mind how many people would no doubt eat there frequently just to be sure they contribute to as many puppy blender deaths as possible.

Except unlike puppies, trans people aren't nearly as popular so you'll of course say that's some false equivalence or some other bullshit.

People buying Hogwarts Legacy aren't causing trans people to be thrown into a blender. JK Rowling is not going to go out and start killing trans people, because people bought a Harry Potter game.

Nothing says you don't support trans people than enjoying a hobby. I guess the whole world is just anti-trans, because god forbid people spend their money on things they enjoy.

hockeybub89 posted...

I care about money going to bad people, but we need a global revolution for anything actually change. It's like how I use Amazon sometimes, but would love if Jeff Bezos went to jail and Amazon crashed and burned. Boycotts or dropping off the grid are no more effective activism than getting mad on the Internet. The entire fabric of society needs to change

I agree we need to change society. But getting mad at people buying a video game and calling them bigots does not change anything and I would argue hurts any point you might have as people who could otherwise support the changes you want to make might not do so if they get villainized for trying to enjoy a video game.

Plus I don't think boycotts are effective tactic now. You effectively have to convince millions of people to not buy something which is just not going to happen. We've seen several attempts at a boycott that go nowhere, because a local community no longer has enough power to force changes in the market. Honestly Strikes are more important than ever as they are far more impactful towards hurting the economy to force changes, but sadly the government seems keen on shutting those down.

averagejoel posted...

thank you for your input. have a nice day

Good to know you support worker exploitation then.

averagejoel posted...

feel free to have this conversation in a different topic with someone else

You can't pick and choose when buying products is good or not.

Either buying a product where someone benefits that did a bad thing is bad and everyone shouldn't do that.

Or it's not that big of a deal and you just want to pat yourself on the back for doing nothing.

averagejoel posted...

I'm pretty sure most of the people who consciously chose to buy the game are aware that J.K. Rowling created Harry Potter. so yes, they are consciously supporting her.

Most people who consciously buy tech are aware they aren't manufactured in the US therefore support exploiting workers in other countries for cheap goods.

No one should ever buy computers, phones, cars, fridges, toasters, etc. Because we're all supporting worker exploitation by doing so.

ellis123 posted...

That is his point, yes. The nuance comes from doing so knowing about the harassment prior to the purchase.

It is not his point. People like him aren't making a point. They just want to circlejerk some righteous they don't exert in their daily lives. If people like him actually cared about money going to bad people, they would make an effort to live off the land and avoid being a consumer. But they don't. They sit around typing up on a keyboard about how other people are awful for buying x as they unironically supported exploitation by owning that keyboard.

averagejoel posted...

okay. that is a completely different conversation that I'm not interested in having with you in this topic. feel free to make your own topic to have this conversation though, and please don't tag me in it

You made this topic about this conversation, because you insist that people buying a product means they are consciously supporting whatever bad people are attached to said product.

If you've ever brought a game from a AAA company, you've supported their workplace harassment.

There's a long list of bad things you can come up with if you investigated everything you purchased, but you don't want to do that. You don't want to be a better consumer. You just want to pat yourself on the back to make yourself feel better, because if you actually cared about trans people you would do more good rallying for trans right laws and protesting against anti trans laws.

averagejoel posted...

irrelevant. stay on topic please

It is completely relevant. If you want to get on people for buying things that support bad things, then own up to the fact you've supported worker exploitation by owning a computer and/or phone.

You can't pat yourself on the back for calling out other people if you can't even call yourself out.

averagejoel posted...

the people who buy the game are consciously supporting J.K. Rowling, who is very much a bigot. so it is true.

Considering you are posting on this forum, you've consciously supported the exploitation of workers.

refmon posted...

Why is Harry Potter where people draw the line and not the various other companies that use child slavery for their shoes or appliances?

Because some people just want to pat themselves on the back for doing nothing.

It's easier to attack people for buying something you weren't going to buy then it is to attack people for buying stuff off of amazon when you do the same.

gunplagirl posted...

Hey, calm down. I know you're angry because you lack emotional control and can't stand being told you're wrong but the fact of the matter is that you were already obviously emotional considering you lied about what I said.

Don't need to project so hard.

I'm not the one suggesting that buying this HP game is on the path to starting the next holocaust.

gunplagirl posted...

Intentionally misrepresenting what someone else said is moddable. Not that I see the mods actually doing their job on this.

I'm not misrepresenting anything. You literally brought up the holocaust in a topic about people buying a video game, because you don't like the fact that some people in the world are buying it.

CyricZ posted...

Please read before the opening of the big mouth so you understand what you're responding to and not making foolish assumptions.

I did read. You called people buying a video game sociopaths, because they valued entertainment.

gunplagirl posted...

Apathy is what let the Holocaust happen.

Ah yes the Holocaust is going to happen, because people bought a video game.

Jesus christ you guys are so unhinged.

CyricZ posted...

Because either you have a line and are just to afraid to admit that it doesn't include this issue, or you're a sociopath, and there aren't nearly that many true sociopaths in this world, unless you'd like to step forward.

People buying a video game are truly sociopaths.

gunplagirl posted...

Well sure. Thing is, I'm not defending myself when I buy crap through Amazon. What's with all the people defending themselves when they support a game that isn't even out yet knowing full well some royalty money from the sale will go to JK Rowling and get spent to combat trans rights? :la

So basically you're just a hypocritic who gets mad at others to feel better about yourself.

gunplagirl posted...

"Don't do or say anything that might make me feel bad for things I do, I'll say it hurts your argument instead of having to do any work to analyze the actual harm I might be doing.

And you can make the argument that buying anything anywhere benefits shitty people.

If you want to be the person that no one likes because you feel the need to attack people over what they choose to do with their own money go ahead.

I get why some people are so against buying the game. But attacking people who just want to play Harry Potter is honestly going to hurt your message.

People aren't buying the game because they are anti trans.

Patchwork posted...

How is this any different than the relentless stream of idolatry of misogynistic rappers?

Im not condemning rap music, by the way. I love it.

But to say that Andrew Tate has somehow had this groundbreaking impact on our youth, but years and years of songs about pushing women into sex work, selling drugs, killing cops, etc. has had zero effect seems disingenuous.

What makes him different? Is it that he does this shit under the guise of teaching guys how to get women, and not as art?

People haven't developed their entire identity over a rap song.

People are developing their entire identity over people like Tate.

Yes right wingers don't want to talk shit about tate. Really not a surprise.

I've seen plently r/aita were the woman is the asshole.