Lurker > Corrik7

htaeD posted...

Dont get coy with me
All of them.

I mean of course I am most curious about me
And also Plum, IGCD and Red
But you should be able to explain every read.

Your vote is the most likely to be a scum piling on vote after the lynch is decided. You also I believe made excuses for not being around.

htaeD posted...

I presume you have some elaborations with that Corrik

Which parts would you like elaborated on?

Isquen posted...

But whatever, I'll stop crowing on about that. Corrik of the Pond! What is your wisdom('s reasoning?)

About what

Town
Corrik
Peaf
Lopen
Lea
Plum
IGCD

Meh
Mzero
Wallz

Not looking good
Death
Kirby
Violent
Hb
Red
Isquen

Topic 1 read. Peaf and Lopen are town.

Oh you said IGCD specifically. IGCD plays chaotically regardless with zero regard for a greater strategy or aim. Anything can fly regardless of alignment.

MZero posted...

Is scum IGCD bold enough to blantantly link himself to his roleblocker right out of the gate? Maybe, but doesn't seem like the best strategy. Either way, it's in line with town IGCD

I mean, roleblocker is usually the strongest scum role. Bussing them in case they flip early but also trying to keep them alive in the same vein isn't uncommon.

I used to bus the roleblocker specifically as scum just because people would do the opposite of what I said anyways.

Idk. It seems a bit too obvious Plum is scum atm.

I sincerely apologize for my erroneous read on Ulti. I thought his claim made him town, and I thought I knew what he was trying. His demeanor towards me and Lea early was something he would do as scum, but not out of the norm of his town play either.

Either way. I was wrong.

That said, Plum's trying to tie me to Ulti repeatedly because I said Ulti was town once (as I did Sbell and Mzero) is weird. It appears to be very much a reach and also a made up argument to shade upon Ulti flip.

I have thoughts of who is town, but I wanna look things over again before I state it tomorrow.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Its probably nothing. Not like we arent going to special a random afk anyway.

Nah

masterplum posted...

Honestly I think the strongest argument for ulti being town is corrik is tying himself hard to him and I think corrik when he isn't self destructing is really good

Weird post.

Ulti is town

Ulti is town.

Kirby321 posted...

Bro I literally said in that post you quoted that it wasn't a strong town read. I said you were town-ish, and that's true. I was getting some vibes of your town persona when you decided to townclear Lea so early on (and maybe Red, too? I forget what else you did around that time), but nothing extremely strong. Like I said, you didn't really do much to ping my scumdar, so I put you in the "neutral but slight town lean" pile.

I forgot I even asked you that tbh. I asked that... like, what, earlier this afternoon? Don't think you posted anything since then until evening my time. If you had been more active around that time, perhaps I would've been bothered, but, like, so much happened afterward that I'm really not sure what kind of "gotcha" you're expecting to have here.

I think you're overexaggerating how much I've "defended" you. I "defended" you against Lopen because I didn't quite understand his vote and where it came from. I also mentioned that you replaced in to Star Trek Mafia late as "defense". But... that's it, I'm pretty sure. Don't think I've really talked much about you this game, so you seem to be drawing a hefty conclusion off of just a few data points.

OMGUS is likely getting in the way here, but I can't tell if you're confidently incorrect town or just scum trying to get the drop on me before I could make a solid read on you.

Well it did make me raise my eyebrow. But IIRC you and Peaf already commented on it, so I didn't have anything new to add, really. By the time I saw that post from Death, anyway, I was already doing catch-up leading up to me yelling at Sbell for his whole stint with Ulti.

I do want to point out (since you were poking fun at me using this term) that me saying "raw intuition" was a bit of a subtle joke that only Ben and other FFXIV players would get. "Raw Intuition" is the name of a skill for Warriors in FFXIV, which is also the class that Ben mains. But really, it was just me saying, "I don't how I pick up on your scum behavior; it just happens." Pretty sure I said as much in the Paper Mario afterparty when Ben was grumbling about still not being able to figure out how to slip past me as scum lol

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I promise I've been trying to do less walls, but what else am I to do when I see back-to-back messages pointing the finger at me. May as well address them in one post. I only hope this one is at least easy to read.

Tldr

Peace___Frog posted...

I forgive you. For the record, my town read on you is predicated on paper mario, and town read on red is predicated on luldayvigs.

I disagree with you on hb but i don't feel super strongly about it so we'll call it even in our disagreements.

Do you think making such reads on singular previous games is kinda dangerous?

Sbell is town.

I am not good. Sorry if you were expecting someone good.

Mzero is town.

Sure idc

azuarc posted...

I've lived my entire life in PA, and I have never heard anyone say "yinz" except as a cringy joke

Joke post

CassandraCain posted...

It's strange to me that these sites "aren't as good as they used to be" since I figured online dating would get better with time, not worse. Apparently there was a sweet spot that I missed.

Silly ass world!

Speed dating is coming back now because of how far online dating has degenerated.

Underleveled posted...

In terms of finding real people and getting matches, Match is probably the best, but it's also very expensive and unless things have changed from when I was on it, you basically have to pay for each feature separately, and the total package was some absolutely asinine price that nobody should ever be desperate enough to pay.

That's actually what makes match and eharmony the most attractive apps because people who paid the price are more likely to be serious and actually date.

Just watch about falling into the trap of people who just want pen pals and don't actually want to ever meet. And ofc misleading pictures.

Eharmony and match got me some dates but both apps are becoming worse and worse especially lately. Tinder is a shit show. Bumble is becoming bad. If you want the scum of the earth, try pof. Hinge is okay but honestly use facebook dating too.

shane15 posted...

Can't say i know anything about how Fortnite plays on Switch. But last time i checked you needed some stupid phone app to use voice chat on a Switch.

My son voice chats via headphones.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

But they don't actually have the license yet, so how can they sign this agreement?

Or am I misunderstanding the situation and the merger has already happened, but all the talk from the SCC has been around whether it has to be dissolved? I thought they hadn't actually finalized yet.

It's conditional on the merger going through.

GranzonEx posted...

Microsoft has nobody but themselves to blame. When they bought Zenimax they gave verbal assurances that their catalog were not going to be made exclusive to Xbox ecosystem and then immediately reneged on this by making their shitty Starfield game exclusive. Now they are paying the price of that.

Not true. They said current games wouldn't be made exclusive or games with current ecosystems (aka eso) and they would honor all contracts and that it would be a case by case scenario going forward.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

....Hasn't the Activision merger not actually gone through yet?

In fact, last I heard, the last thing the regulators said was they would only allow the merger to go through if Microsoft DIDN'T get CoD exclusivity.

It said they have to divest COD as a structural remedy or if they could provide behavioral remedies that were satisfactory to them. This is an attempt to provide behavioral remedies.

SirChris posted...

The cruelty is the point, Corrik.

The thing is... why though? What's the point of being cruel? Like, I don't care if the person was a murderer, a saint, a whatever. They are dead now. It is somebody's somebody... whether father, child, etc. Let them get their closure. If you hated the person or disliked them or whatever, you don't have to mourn them or be apart of their whatever service.

Why do people do this? A person died. It isn't your playground or place to make a name for yourself or push whatever view or belief or whatever, no matter if right or wrong or whatever. Let the people have their peace in closure.

red_sox_777 posted...

Honestly I don't care if they use the food stamps for other things. The government should stop with the pretense they are for food only and just give cash assistance. You can't expect people to break out of the cycle of poverty if they aren't treated with the dignity, respect, and agency they deserve as players in the free market economy.

I think the government doesn't want to be so directly supporting illegal drugs / whatever. They want to be satisfied they provided you with food to not starve to death.

banananor posted...

How many people do you think actually trade their food stamps for drugs, compared to the number of people that use their food stamps to buy food?

I don't know, and I honestly don't care. It's scum stuff. If the number is above 0, its sad. The amount I know about it is more than I want to know about it. That said, all I said is I wonder if that makes it easier to abuse, the change mentioned above.

Maniac64 posted...

How do you know its to buy drugs? Could be to pay rent or utilities or other bills that might sadly be a more immediate concern than a meal.

I can't answer for all of them and can just say what the person that bought them said for those ones, but I know for a fact about a couple of the ones I mentioned.

masterplum posted...

You asked for help

I am asking what parameters you are meaning. The parameters I discussed was middle class people buying food stamps off of people looking to sell it for 50 cents on a dollar so they had cash for drugs.

masterplum posted...

Sure, PM me.

Though I do require proof. Had one person on B8 complain about how many bills they had, I messaged them saying I would help out but I wanted proof first and they sent me one tiny screenshot of an empty bank account with nothing that proved that was related to anything and started getting super pissed I said I needed more that

What we talking about here?

Inviso posted...

I mean, the way you're describing it sounds both sides of that equation could use some help in some way.

Nice. Give me some help then. I'm in the same financial boat and not breaking the law to save some money.

Leafeon13N posted...

This sounds less like abuse and more people need more help.

People who make as much money as me buying food stamps for cash because it saves them money for the people to use the money to buy heroin gives you that thinking? Hmmmm. Interesting.

swordz9 posted...

Food stamps really arent as easy to abuse as some people would have you believe. The government doesnt give an adequate amount to feed people either

I have seen people sell them outright on Facebook, and I know 5 people that buy them off of others for 50 cents on a dollar. If it ain't easy to abuse, idk. But, it is.

Thorn posted...

https://twitter.com/ArthurDelaneyHP/status/1625626737907318788

That's a good change and hopefully goes through and I'll just love to see how Republicans attack it. It's insane that we actually disincentivize family or friends helping people with disabilities with food because it could slash their benefits.

It's good in a vacuum but probably makes it easier to abuse. Not sure how it works with that program specifically but selling food stamps is big around here.

masterplum posted...

Honestly she seems less bad than Trump and Desantis

Not that that is a high bar

Yeah she is good. Hopefully she does well.

Supersex420 posted...

I tried to take 6 classes in university and had to drop 2

I took 6 every semester when I went to college because 18 credits was the same price as 12. Seemed like a waste of money not to.

Mr_Lasastryke posted...

just remembered that corrik also thinks GWB was a great president lmao

my heartfelt congratulations to the person who can explain to me how he was "barely right of center."

Welcome to forever.

masterplum posted...

I think there isn't an understanding that there are millions of Americans who don't do politics. They vote on election day and otherwise don't pay attention

Those people can have wildly different views than the party they vote for. That's where the 3% of Democrats who want to ban abortion in all cases or whatever you see in polls

You don't have to support every issue to support democrats. It's not a team game. And vice versa. That's the ends. The middle balance positions on multiple things and vote what they feel is most important to them.

A lot of abortion voters are single issue voters.

I for one believe in just very limited abortion, but it's such a minor issue to me that I don't care much or let it sway my decision voting one way or the other.

Left---------------------|--------------------Right
XXXXXxxx x x x x x x x x xxxXXXXX

I lie generally right around the bolded xs above.

LightningStrikes posted...

I mean you said that the GOP is a spectrum that goes from left of centre to far-right. Given how far-right the GOP is as an organisation and that voters self-align with that, this seems incorrect.

To be fair, party membership in the US makes basically no sense. In most countries there is a formal system of membership and you can be kicked out for a variety of reasons. In the US anybody can run as whatever they feel like as long as they win a primary.

Repubocrats lol. I can know many democrats that swear by trump and fox News. Who will say the Democrat party lost their way after Clinton.

Majority of my workplace is registered democrats but vote republican because they support unions but most nothing else via democrats. All kinds of weird scenarios.

LightningStrikes posted...

I mean you said that the GOP is a spectrum that goes from left of centre to far-right. Given how far-right the GOP is as an organisation and that voters self-align with that, this seems incorrect.

To be fair, party membership in the US makes basically no sense. In most countries there is a formal system of membership and you can be kicked out for a variety of reasons. In the US anybody can run as whatever they feel like as long as they win a primary.

Let me make this diagram for yinz again.

Left---------------------|--------------------Right
XXXXXxxx x x x x x x x x xxxXXXXX

This is American politics. Basically. Two extreme polarized ends some towards the mjddle of their sides and sparsely across the center stragglers.

The GOP draws from voters from the beginning of the x x x to the very right. While the Dems grab from the very left to the end of the x x x.

It is understood American politics is polarized (and comparing it to left and right of other countries is pointless. Arguably democrats are to the right if you go by such metrics).

He said how can you be in the middle of the spectrum if you support the GOP.

He also asked to discuss about some that could be center of left that support the GOP.

Obviously the further you go left and right the less crossovers you have, but they exist.

LightningStrikes posted...

Whooooooo Im so hyped we get to talk about these studies again. Using the one written about and linked here:

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/21449634/republicans-supreme-court-gop-trump-authoritarian

Here is a comparison of parties in liberal democracies in terms of how economically left/right (x) socially liberal/conservative (y) they are:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/7/3/AAEfmDAAEKct.jpg

You will notice the GOP all the way in the top right. This means that they are one of the most right-wing parties in the world in both social and economic terms. They are comparable to Le Pens party in France, Vox in Spain, the Finns Party in Finland, and EKRE in Estonia among others. You know what these parties have in common? They are all widely considered as far-right parties.

Now lets look at respect for/undermining democracy (x) vs. support for/opposition to minority rights (y):

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/7/4/AAEfmDAAEKcu.jpg

Once again the Republicans are one of the worst in the world for both, comparable to Turkeys AKP and Polands PiS. Both of which are strongly authoritarian parties.

Lastly, lets see how their voters compare to the expert scores in the study (above the line means voters self-identify as more right wing):

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/7/5/AAEfmDAAEKcv.jpg
So GOP voters also self-identify as being very far to the right.

In conclusion, and in light of the many other studies showing similar, the Republicans are a far-right party, not a centre-right or even just right wing party. In fact, they are one of the most extreme mainstream parties in the world right now. So to put it another way Corrik is wrong.

Incorrect. I didn't claim what you just said I claimed.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Do you wanna give a quick example of a handful of Republicans you consider left of center, center, and slightly right?

There is numerous people of all that spectrum that vote for the republican party and/or registered for the republican party.

Mr_Lasastryke posted...

you think the GOP in 2023 is barely just right of center?

The GOP consists of a spectrum that exists from slightly left of center to far right of center.

Democratic party consists of the opposing. Slightly right to far left lf center. Trump has let them peel further into the right to tap for votes however.

And I have never presented myself as an enlightened centrist. I have said I am a centrist and a very moderate conservative / slightly leaning conservative. I have never said I am not a registered republican. Hence, why I mentioned I would probably vote for Nikki in the republican primary. I can't vote for non Republicans or other primaries. Our state had a closed primary.

The "enlightened centrist" mockery has come because I have said you guys in general are polarized on extreme ends, like most of Americans in politics, and that you view things as team red vs team blue, while I do not because I am barely right of center on the spectrum.

Mr_Lasastryke posted...

i definitely feel like you've always presented yourself as an enlightened centrist in this topic, yeah. you would say shit like "the people in this topic accuse me of being right-wing while my girlfriend accuses me of being left-wing lol."

but if you admit that you're on the right now, that's cool.

I have always been a registered republican, and I always lay barely just right of center.

We have done how many political tests that show exactly that. It doesn't mean I don't have views that are further right on areas. I do. But I also have views that could be considered left wing. Thus where I balance out at.

That's the great things about people towards the center. We don't play for a team. We analyze every view and decide which one makes more sense to us, no matter who the view comes from. I could give a shit less who the party affiliation is of a person when a view of an issue is presented. I tend to agree with Republicans on more. But not on some things.

Peace___Frog posted...

Not only is the brand toxic because they're all literal traitors, but getting more conservative as you age depends on having capital that you want to protect. Look at corrik, he's a prime example of someone who doesn't have much (relatively) but is obsessed with making sure he keeps it.

Obsessed.