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See, like if I was on PC, I'd go back and delete "I don't think these make sense" because that really only applies to the eod1 thing.

I don't think Ctes needs to claim unless we do actually do a mass claim. I went into previous night ready to gun for him too - us bring Scum together means general bussing with a decision to completely swap gears out of nowhere. At the very least, if you're entertaining a Ctes/Han Scumteam, then fill out the rest of that team before asking for a claim.

Chaeix posted...

Ctes if you are town you are realistically not getting another shot at anything if you still even can do anything, unless we mass and there are bigger fish to fry. You should claim.

Han I have plenty of reasons.

I dont like your post about Kirby chiming in helpfully to clear things up. It felt like you were diffusing a good read on someone who (especially at this juncture given Bens weird OMGUS I am inclined to at least not focus on right now) I thought had a good post. Dislike.

Initially I thought your vote to tie with Isquen was bad but then I realized that would be hypocritical. But it was the way you engaged with Peaf that kind of set off some alarm bells. I honestly still have to entertain the thought of Peaf being scum if youre scum because if he knew you would tie him for Isquen thats still more saving him. The fact Peaf didnt vote Isquen immediately is a plus but its also a really terrible look for an immediate self preservation vote as a vanilla. You may have been just as shocked as everyone else that plum interrupted the tiebreak as quickly as he did, and as unceremoniously as he did. I think any sane town would have at least waited for Isquen to maybe show up and actually maybe claim, like why not wait out the clock?

Your behaviour D2 was really off too, you were kinda brushing off my posts and refusing to engage in a proper discussion with me. Where is the Han who answers my questions clearly instead of ignoring them? Hes not here this game.

JC, I don't think these make sense.

What post about Kirby?

Isquen already claimed vanilla before eod1. I thought Peaf was looking town and that's why I asked him to see who we could agree upon. We both agreed, but there weren't votes, so I voted Isquen to save Peaf. And I guarantee you, 15 times out of 10, I kill Peaf over Isquen if I am Scum. Isquen is an easy mislynch and Peaf is a more experienced player.

And I'm sorry if I ignored your questions. I probably just didn't register them, or was busy with super bowl and work and other things, or I was skimming catching up and missed them.

Been a lot of mobile posting for me which means not quoting everything I would respond to more normally.

Like, the Scum playbook is "if you don't need to speak, don't speak". And Red embodies that a lot, given his lack of speaking ever.

It really stands out that he'd slide in at end of day like that, then place for a vote when we know it's Town/Town/Town lynch (assuming Peaf Town)

I mean, I suppose he could be Scum. Would be interesting if him and Ulti were Scum and I was right to float inactives for lynch, and who was loudest against me when I said that? Hb?

EDumey posted...

please explain your Red townclear that isn't an absolutely insane player read that I would only understand with 10+ games of Red experience.

Zero Scum equity in Red popping up at end of day 1.

Man, what if all vanillas are Star Spirits and Peaf really is Scum?

Ben's role makes sense for Scum as a vanilla finder, then.

Maybe mass claim is best... Though I don't like mass claims.

Ben, Dumey, Hb, Ulti, Kirby

There is at least a partially significant reason to Townclear every other player alive.

EDumey posted...

Even the person you're relying on for a clear just stated they were going to gun for you. Face it, you did not look as town cleared as you thought.

I'm just better at Town clearing I guess

Chaeix posted...

I am not getting off Han without information of some kind whether it is you or he claiming

Counterpoint: you don't have a reason to be on me on the first place

Where do people sit on Kirby?

Dumey, does your team change with me and Ctes as confirmed Town?

Chaeix posted...

guys Im kinda serious tbh

the last few games nobody did a thing and scum cruised to east wins

I normally hate mass claiming, but I could swing with it. Though I don't think we need to because Ben as Town makes no sense

I guess the reason to think Ulti is Town is that he's too much of a coward to go after me if he's Scum.

Dumey, do me a favor if you can - build a scumteam off of Ben. I'm planning on trying to formulate out a whole team tomorrow, with and without Ben as Scum, but right now I need to leave (sure Ulti will say that's "not a good look").

But it's also a little misrepresenting to say that was "practically my whole gameplan".

And frustration reads different depending on its why. Isquen's frustration was throwing away the game because he felt like he was being unfairly pushed for the 17th time. JC's frustration was not knowing how to respond to my accusations against him any more than he already had.

My general frustrations with Lopen are different.

EDumey posted...

I think this is a completely inane comment to make given what Han just said his basis was. Scum get frustrated too. Practically your whole gameplan last game was to show frustration with Lopen tunneling you to appear town.

Yeah, I said that comment out of hyperbole.

Still, did you pick up on me reading JC as Town yesterday and just... not agree?

JC, why did you call those two weak scans? Those are two strong scans?

EDumey posted...

This didn't answer the question.

That explicitly answered the question I quoted.

You're saying that I look scummy for not immediately flipping my opinion on JC's bad end of day reads, because he sounded frustrated?

Not immediate, but there was a lot of time left in the day.
Maybe if you weren't arguing with Kirby about nothing then you would have reconsidered~

Chaeix posted...

(watched Han n1, nobody visited)

what the fuck death

I don't know why you're not moving your vote on me, when Ulti claimed "a role that undeniably proves that Ben is Town because of his claim, and not just that Ulti is a Star Spirit in flavor", but hasn't given any information on that.

EDumey posted...

But I felt like he had good reason to turn on you with the way you ended D2! Maybe you can understand my bias regarding that one thought.

No? I ended D2 by giving the power role the benefit of the doubt for the day and voting for the Scummiest option available.

By all metrics, I looked the best at end of day 2.

EDumey posted...

Let me ask this clearly. Is JC being "so freaking obvTown" just based on his frustration with you and a personal read about his play?

A normal read for any player's play.
He was Town for the same reason Isquen was Town.

Chaeix posted...

should I fullclaim to add to the pile? With death dead and ctes apparently town confirming, I think my claim would be better so town has all the info it can.

That's up to you if you think it helps. But frankly, if you don't have anything that really offers much, then the lack of claim might be better to keep Scum in the dark.

I'm way too het up because I don't see how anybody who is Town is letting themselves be swayed in thought by Scum Ulti at this point.

Chaeix posted...

my town read on Ulti is primarily based off how garbage it was for him to suggest that my vote was bad without having read end of day. Like would suck Ulti do that?

JC, I hate to tell you this, but this doesn't track.

Yes, Ulti is exactly the type of person to look at one post and then provide thoughts based on that. But also, consider the possibilities:

1. Ulti just picked your name to look bad as a Townscapegoat.
2. Ulti made a calculated call on that, and actually did know what happened at end of day.

He totally could have been planning on shadowsheeping me. Or, hell, maybe I actually AM wrong and Ulti is just a third Star Spirit, who thinks that him being a Star Spirit somehow is the reason Ben is Town, as opposed to Isquen, the D1 lynch who is a Star Spirit.

EDumey posted...

I was present and actively voted Ben when he refused to claim, I helped you question and JC and compiled more info on him that you didn't even bother with, and I spent most of my available time questioning my top named suspect Kirby, and was present at end day! That's a weird thing to label as "nothing" compared to your posting a giant list post at the beginning of the day, fizzling on JC, and then leaving a ghost vote on me and leaving!

I didn't fizzle on JC! He was obvTown!

JC is so freaking obvTown!

You look SO Scummy for continuing to pursue him after he gave himself away as Town!

And it wasn't a ghost vote. Quit incorrectly defining things to try to make you look better.

Chaeix posted...

Is there any benefit to waiting for ctes to disclose things as opposed to Han disclosing things

the info shouldnt be different in terms of describing the mechanics

Yes

Here's Scumhunting on Ulti for you, Dumey:

Last game, Ulti was mostly quiet but followed along like a good boy when told.
This game, Ulti is farting out false bravado that he has absolutely no business blasting about. Ulti has all the reason in the world to NOT be confident in himself this game.

Kirby was right - Ulti was given a free pass to restate things that happened Day 1 without synthesizing them into a current game state. And since he has caught up, he's done two things:

1. Defend Ben WAY too strong without having any actual reason to
2. OMGUS to me, after I said he was probably Scum earlier on (didn't Ulti also say I was Town in his catch-up? Man, sure is weird how his confidence sways)

Peace___Frog posted...

See: mathematics, and Exhibit Sultan

A cool role being designed that is hard to actually use does not mean that Town has to have a role that, at best, requires Ben to correctly hit 1 of maybe 3 Star Spirits, then to instantly claim it out loud for a Mario role he doesn't know exists.

Here's your Scumhunting Edumey-

you did nothing yesterday while Ben was getting in the hot seat. Kirby gunned for your Scummate, Ulti, and you fought him over it.

Easy!

EDumey posted...

I guess my problem is that the only time I've seen you actively scum hunt this game, you've put pressure on two people and then backed off immediately. But in the first's case (Isquen), you still ended up voting for them at the end! So when I see you "PoE" your list down to two, when I can't even PoE down to just a single scum team yet, but not actually put any pressure on me other than "Other people think you're scum, too," it looks incredibly low effort.

And maybe it is just low effort. But you know I have an ego and will fight back on any actual arguments you throw toward me, so it's easier to just throw shade I can't engage with.

It's not low effort, though.

Put pressure on Kirby - people joined - people backed off after much of the day.
Put pressure on Isquen - he seemed Town for his response - he got voted at end of day because I was trying to save Peaf from being lynched.
Put pressure on JC - he seemed Town for his response - I backed down.

I've already explained my poe - it's not perfect, but a dead Death and JC and Ctes as Town make it much smaller. I could be wrong about Red I guess. But it's a list growing ever smaller.

Peace___Frog posted...

You can say literally the same thing about sultan's role. Unless your argument is that mzero expects Sultan to shoot blindly with no method of having any information?

Let me introduce to you the mafia role Vigilante?

Peace___Frog posted...

This is demonstrably false.

I must have missed it. The Mario role has specific different interactions with Star Spirits?

Peaf, I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing a good argument for Ben's role being real and Town based on the game having flavor.

The thing you have to keep in mind is that Ben explicitly does not interact without 3 hoops jumped through.

EITHER WAY, Ctes and I confirmed each other as Town with his shell game last night, so I'm not going to be lynched today no matter what, so I shouldn't get worked but, but I am because it's so incredibly odd that people are looking my direction when Ben was proven to not interact with Mario.

EDumey posted...

So I guess you only asked that because of PoE and haven't actually read anything about Ctes at all.

Dude, I thought I spelled it out clearly.
You and Ctes were the rest of my poe. You were the one I picked because more people thought you were Scum, including Town killed Night 1.
If you didn't want my vote on you, your ONLY OPTION was to direct me to my other suspicion.

Peace___Frog posted...

Then what is the purpose of implying that i suspect you only because you have been wrong as many times as i have?

I wasn't implying that of you specifically. I was meaning it in a general sense (and Ulti used that exact argument).

I then replied to you because you were here and saying silliness.

I conflated the two. I didn't say it was your argument.

Peace___Frog posted...

Ulti could be scum. Sure, I'll grant you that. There's many things I don't know at this point in time.

My point is that he's not here right now, and i am. If you've read my posts re: ben and still conclude that it's obviously fake, then I'd love to hear you tear my argument apart.

However, it is midnight and i do still have work in 8 hours. So I take it back, I'm no longer here. Talk with your Ulti as much as you'd like.

Where is your argument?

Peace___Frog posted...

I am not suspicious of you because we have been wrong thus far. Do not put words in my mouth, though i know that is a favored tactic of yours.

I literally never do that ever. Please stop intentionally trying to anger me.

Dumey, you're still like, 3rd in line for most likely Scum, so I'll answer you with a "no I don't remember most of what you did because it was fluff arguing with Kirby yesterday for literally no pro-Town purpose so why the hell should I remember your interactions with Ctes?"

But feel free to tell me your interactions with Ctes.

Peace___Frog posted...

Stop worrying about Scum. I

weird post tbh

I would love to not have to explain simplicities to Town today and I'm tired so I'll be going to bed soon, but can we please not say "wow, Han did LITERALLY AS GOOD as every other member of Town, therefore he must be Scum".

Like, my track record this game is EQUAL to yours, Peaf.

Peace___Frog posted...

Answer me about ctes, han.

He invited me to his shell game last night.

Peace___Frog posted...

Let's be honest, he was probably never a vanilla to begin with.

Yeah, because he's Bowser.

Peaf, if Ulti is Town, then why hasn't he claimed his gifted power for being a Star Spirit?

Ben, who was in my poe, made a bad claim, but Ulti soft-claimed interacting with his role, but that's been proven to be a lie.

Ctes I feel better about. Death is dead, I think you're Town, so I still need to do some review, but my poe still includes Dumey.

Chaeix posted...

43 hours happened in between, try again

nothing fucking happened except for you confirmed yourself Town to me

The only reason for anybody to think I'm Scum right now is that Ulti keeps repeating it and people don't realize they're being conditioned for it.

Chaeix posted...

Speaking about Hans POE, it felt very strange.

Im used to Han coming in and giving a well thought out explanation for his POE thought process to being town along for the ride

last day he was just like these people are my POE

does that not seem very uncharacteristic to anyone else

I literally outlined my thoughts in the first post of the day, JC.

Please, tell me again it was not thought out.

Ulti is also Scum, btw. His hardcore defense of Ben only made sense if Ulti directly had a role where Ben's claim helped him. I thought Ulti was Mario pretending to be a Star Spirit, but given that has been proven false, it's just Scum Ulti declaring loudly to not lynch Scum Ben.

How in the fuck is there a single person who thinks Ben is not the obvious answer, here?

There is no purpose to his claimed role.

Dumey, I voted you because you were the Scummiest person remaining in my poe.

Glenda

I mean, everybody watched it to see how bad it was.

When they release season 2 and get no viewership, they'll realize they made the mistake.

Lol

And I don't know who taught Stitchentyme to be so mean, because it wasn't Saoirse

Maniac, you gotta spellcheck these posts bro

masterplum posted...

I had a vote for Han typed out but I deleted it because I don't think I can pull the trigger

I made an opening post because I had a rpg session at start of day