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wait i read that wrong

Chaeix posted...

me getting off of you

ewww

UltimaterializerX posted...

Kirby Im fine testing your claim. Have fun. They cant block you, Justin, and whatever Han/ctes are doing.

##Unvote
##Vote: Red

Like, this is the kind of vote thrown down at start of day 2 if you see Han throwing out a big wall with the weight behind it that that has.

You didn't do that then.

Now you're doing it for a person we are probably not lynching, because Red's flip does very little to affect game state, as Town or Scum.

UltimaterializerX posted...

The honest legitimate answer outside of brain fog is I suck at town and operate on gut and emotion over almost everything else. When I dont have a power role Im just not very good.

See, I don't like this response. I don't like you rereading and tossing about your words like your God's gift to mafia then respond with this "teehee i'm bad oops" it's just so backwards.

It's not an answer for why you are so confident after a game where you showed much less and your confidence on last day just fell into Scum's hands. It's not an answer for why you see just the beginning of Day 2 and yet you are willing to throw some quick summations down, but your love of saying "Han is good" suddenly evaporates (until thrown in later as lip service).

Like, if sickness is the root, I apologize, but I do have to point out that I still feel you are out of character.

That said, Ben flipping Town I believe exonerates you as well as Plum.

Did Red confirm he was not a Star Spirit?

My thought is this - if Ben is actually Town, Scum wouldn't fake a Star Spirit claim at this point. Extra innocent points for Plum.

If Ben is Scum, Ulti's attachment to it... ehhhh it's just so bad. And I want to give more credit to Ulti than "In spite of a Star Spirit already flipping, I exclusively as a Star Spirit confirm Ben's role as real". It's just so senseless, especially as this is after Ulti claimed to have caught up. And Ulti still hasn't responded to me pointing out that he never gave any conclusions to his read-up and just changed all of his reads on a dime with no explanation. (sorry if the answer is just brain fog)

Also, the reason to leave Kirby alive would be for him to test the jump on Dumey, tbh.

But that strategy would imply we no lynch and let Kirby prove himself...

Peace___Frog posted...

I have proven this to be false. Ben COULD BE a mafia flavor scanner, but it is not a vanilla scanner. I am proof of that.

Well, no.

It could be a vanilla scanner, and they're just banking on Star Spirits being vanilla based on the first flip.

Here's a question - who all claimed Star Spirit after Ben claimed? (ignoring Ulti who was directly connected to Ben's claim)

yes

Maybe if we talked at night instead of talking during the morning.

PunishedBen posted...

Only reason I have left Red alone is because Han assures me he is town, and Han is the Red whisperer.

That is not quite my opinion.

I've agreed with most everything Red has said, and his actions end-of-day 1 are Townish. Because of that, I feel good about him. But I can acknowledge that he hasn't done much aside from those two things, so I am eagerly awaiting Red to post more and give his opinion of the game state, since I don't like feeling like I had a Townread of a guy, and thinking he may possibly be paying me lip service to stay on my good side.

Red fits into the "Did something Townish but is not at the VERY Town level" tier.

Chaeix posted...

hmmmm

see now this is where ben's role actually comes in handy

Except not, because he'll just target somebody who's not claimed Star Spirit instead because ???

Chaeix posted...

Also Sultans role implies there are greater than 4 anti-town roles. Maybe 4+1 but definitely not straight up 4/17.

1st successful jump One-time risk-free jump (the target survives, but you will not sustain a negative effect)
2nd successful jump Above + Bulletproof when jumping at night
3rd successful jump Above + One-shot Strongman when jumping at night
4th successful jump One-use day scan to reveal any remaining anti-town

4 successful jumps means he killed 4 scum in a row and still may have to scan to find the last

It also implies that every Scum (except one???) is killable by Jumping?

That could be a red herring!

Kirby321 posted...

What the actual fuck

Hb says he's Peach and that Twink does the voting and such for her
Ben says his flavor is literally Twink and asserts that he has his own role

There is only one Twink in Paper Mario

If both of them are telling the truth, this is a bastard game for flavor

You were literally both Darmanitan and Anakin Skywalker (as Town) in a mafia game.

Don't tell me THIS is a bastard game for flavor.

Also, like, it's flavor?

I suppose with 5 Scum, Sultan, Lea, and two correct lynches also can end the day before Day 3.

Infinite Vig with a back-up infinite vig is pretty weird, yeah. I'm finding it hard to buy Kirby.

Kirby321 posted...

Anyway, if Hb and Ben are somehow both town, this game has got to be one of the cruelest flavor trap setups I have ever seen.
But this setup has been so bonkers already that I don't even know what to believe anymore.

Both of these lines are weird because I disagree with them so entirely.

I accidentally hit post early.

17 players, sultan can kill Town

ML, Sultan kills Lea, dies from it, Scum shoots

13 players, ML, Kirby kills Town, Scum and burn go through

9 players. If 5 Scum, game is over before Day 3. If 4 Scum, it's LYLO

Seems messy

ctesjbuvf posted...

Plus it kinda looks like trying to out an actual flavor scanner.

I thought he was going to claim flavor scanner at first.

One of the things to keep in mind about Kirby is that, technically, his role is confirmable. But let me theorycraft here for a moment...

17 players, sultan can kill Town

ML, Sultan kills Lea, dies from it, Scum shoots

13

Chaeix posted...

Im surprised youve seen enough to think red has had a mindset at all tbh

I just have literally nothing to go off of with him and I need something because I cant just keep giving the benefit of the doubt out like candy

It's mostly that everything he says, I think I agree with.

Whereas plum is the opposite.

I'll do my breakdown at some point, but I'll be more available when I get home.

Oh! It's working now

... I don't want to vote Red though, because off-hand, he's been of the same mindset of me most of the game.

I suppose that could be intentional on his part, but I don't think I need to vote him to get him to respond to things. I think we just need to ask nicely.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Posting recently completely broke on the Samsung internet app for me, in particular quoting, but it works fine on the Chrome app fortunately.

I use chrome. I can quote fine.

I can't remember if I ever tried to vote while mobile. Would have been awkward on Monday...

Though my phone does need to restart for new update. And I'm using chrome app on a pixel

Okay, but noticing that the buttons for html don't load on my phone, I dont feel so critical to Ulti anymore for his bad quote formatting from earlier.

... I can't bold my text rn

How's this for devil's advocate:

I'm running out of people I actually want to lynch.

I'm inclined to side with Hb's train of thought, here

Ftr, if both Kirby and Hb are Scum, I deserve credit and for people to listen to me D1 again.

If not, oh well, I'll keep living longer in Mafia games

Hey Peaf, I hate asking, but what does your flavor say for why you have no powers?

Chaeix posted...

In Paper Mario does Mario throw hammers or thwack things with hammers?

just trying to make sure Im following properly

He thwacks. (there is a badge that lets you throw iirc but we can probably ignore that)

Chaeix posted...

Han can I ask you something?

Did Ctes role involve an element of chance?

I dont think disclosing that gives away much so I figure Id ask

Nope.

Peace___Frog posted...

Peach gets hammered in Paper Mario?

ha

I mean Peach, Gourmet Guy, and Star Spirits are all characters that can't ever be attacked (Luigi too).

Lakilester can - he's a party member. He also flies. So we could conclude that you would only die to jump.

There are also some characters that can be hit by both.

But I brought up Peach because if she, or any other non-combat character COULD be hit, it implies that Dumey is a big liar.

Sultan is an infinite shot vig. He uses Paper Mario rules though.

In Paper Mario, you can hammer, or you can jump.

Hammer cannot hit things that are flying (or up in a tank).
Jump cannot hit things that are spiky, or on fire, or whatever have you.

The reason Hammer would fail to hit is if something is flying, generally.

We don't know that Mario can't kill Star Spirits. This game might just make them only hittable by jumping! If that was the case, of if Peach, confirmed, could be Hammered, then we could conclude, if Kirby is telling the truth, that Dumey is 100% Scum.

But we can't confirm any of that.

Okay, no, let me spell this out

Peace___Frog posted...

We can surmise that stars won't be killed

Technically, I don't think we can!

And if the word "resists" is used in the flavor text, does that make you think anything differently when Kirby says his attacked "missed"?

Ben wasn't really the only person shopping that?

Also:

Kirby321 posted...

But I also wasn't sure what exactly Hero was supposed to do,

Kirby321 posted...

Because my role explicitly told me what my sealed powers were

???? Can you clarify this?

Peace___Frog posted...

I proposed that town cannot be killed and only scum is susceptible to attacks, but I'm not certain on that obviously. But it's what I would do.

I feel like, if Town was not killable, it would be expressly stated.

To be fair, I don't believe you ever fight Gourmet Guy. Could be that, since he isn't in battle, he isn't treated as a hittable enemy?

I'm of split minds here.

One, why didn't you claim your role sooner? While we were talking about Ben potentially helping a Mario role, that was your chance to claim. Mario wasn't dead yet - your role as a back-up would be less important than getting Ben lynched if you truly thought he should have been.

Two, if I designed a mafia game with a really fun unique mechanic, I would probably balance in redundancy. Back-up Cult Recruiters, Adventure Time Mafia had TWO Mason Enablers...

But Luigi spends the entirety of Paper Mario hanging out at home.

EDumey posted...

I changed my mind Han. I'm not salty, I'm fucking disappointed.

shrug

Look at it this way, now we can play the waiting game for Kirby, and if he's not forthright about things, then we can vote him until he's salty.

EDumey posted...

and yes han, i am very salty.

EDumey posted...

*opens Popcorn*

Your fault, really

UltimaterializerX posted...

Or Luigi.

Luigi is basically not a character in Paper Mario, though.

I mean, I'll go ahead and say it - the only real reason for Dumey to withhold this info at this point is if he's salty, or if he's Peach.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I am positive I did this already.

No, I read through all of Day 2 and you did basically said:

Sultan is Scum

gave a list of Town

After you finished reading, you voted Ben, later on went to say some of your 100% Town reads were Scum, and said Sultan would not be lynched.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Red, Ben, HB, and Plum are all doing absolutely nothing and getting away with it.

I dont care that Red flipped bodyguard last game. Stop rewarding inactivity.

Okay.

Can you give your full analysis from your read of D1?

I don't think Dumey even has a valiant and heroic reason to avoid claiming like Ctes/I have

##Vote: Dumey

I'm happy to see how this plays out. And now you do have pressure, Dumey!

Kirby321 posted...

Dumey, if you are town, you will comply and give me your flavor. You do not have to give me your role. I just want your flavor. That's it.

I have probable cause to believe that you are scum, and your refusal to comply is not helping your case.

What if he's a Star Spirit? lol

It's okay Peaf, I couldn't actually imagine you would be on a Scumteam, fakeclaim Lakilester, and be under the impression that Lakilester is a Star Spirit.

EDumey posted...

Not to take away from this riveting revelation, but I thought I'd pop in to say:
I'm not in favor of mass claiming, so I don't really see a reason to humor you right now Kirby.

Now to take a page from confirmed town hero Sultan's playbook

*opens Popcorn*

For someone saying they want me to claim Ctes so much, you sure don't want me to claim Ctes lol

oh peaf