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The race to self-burn in the event is fun but I keep losing it because my deck isn't optimized enough despite dumping most of my remaining N/R resources into it.

I've played seven games and only run into two non-self-burn decks.

The primary point about surrendering is that it doesn't advance quests at all, even ones that don't require you to win.

If you're playing enough games per day to hit that, it doesn't matter as much, sure. But of you're told to play three times as a daily quest, and you surrender two of them, you're only on 1/3 regardless of when you scooped.

Also, for the XYZ event, you get 1/2 rewards for losing and 0 for surrendering. The rewards seem pretty nice, too.

htaeD posted...

Mega Zaborg was likely banned because of its extra deck interaction

Makes sense.

Regardless, the meta for the event seems to be self-burn suicide to farm losses from what I'm seeing.

Sounds hilarious. I'm gonna get in on that after work.

Monarchs only lose Stormforth and Mega Zaborg? I was expecting them to hit Domain if anything.

It does make Monarchs even more of a Going First deck than it already is though, without Stormforth to remove troublesome enemy stuff

Man

The improved Exodia decklist I want to run requires 10 SRs that I don't have and two more URs. Three of these cards (3x Piri Reis Map) are available in a secret pack. Nothing else is. It makes me want to cry

On the bright side, I have 110 UR points so I could craft myself a set of Maxx C or Called By The Grave or Forbidden Droplet if I decide I ever want to play meta. But only 60 SR points...

kateee posted...

How many gems did you spend? Also what were your 3 SRs? I think I would have gone with 2 Whirlwind, 1 Gale off the top of my head.

You don't have a stock of R/N craft points? If you do spend those gems on the XYZ deck, you'd probably end up with the extra R/N craft points anyway

I have like 400-500 of each, before breaking down junk iirc? I was thinking about it in terms of trying to pull secret packs instead of just crafting lol

kateee posted...

btw apparently there's maintenence in Master Duel on the 16th (Wednesday). not sure if the time listed in-game is the time zone you have set or if it's on Japan time (when do the login bonuses reset btw?) but it's from 21:00 to 23:30

It's gotta be local time for the maintenance, because it says it's 23:00 to 01:30 for me

Also, I think I noticed that login bonuses reset around noon or so when we were playing the tournament.

kateee posted...

- R/N only (no SRs) + Reborn, Raigeki, Judgment
- yes extra deck

This sounds good to me. The free cards restriction is a lot less arbitrary than "Any SR, but only a couple" IMO

kateee posted...

maybe a Flamvell or Volcanic deck with Flame Sprite as an inclusion?

Maybe, but I'm only on like 5000 gems and I'm half considering trying to burn them to build an xyz deck for the event.

Had a couple of solid games with David using N/Rs only that basically saw us both win one each by topdecking the outs. Gonna try with SRs tomorrow.

Format seems fine at a quick glance, though I think we're playing two of the stronger decks in the format? Definitely prefer it to the stuff that's ranked meta lmao

May want to do some testing on my Flame Sprite deck in this too to see if it can hang with the archetypes, but XYZs in particular can totally escape a Level Limit/Gravity Bind lockdown because they don't have levels so that'll be a bit rougher. It's not an archetype per se so it wouldn't really be valid for the format, but I think that if I improve it a bit it'll still make a good measuring stick.

I don't know how to keep randos from joining rooms zzz

I'll go without first

davidponte posted...

I can play a few games at 9:30, otherwise we can check it out tomorrow.

I'll be up for, like, 1 or 2 tops probably.

kateee posted...

If you two end up playing could you try with both no SR+ and the 3 SR discussed earlier? I'm particularly curious about the different feelings between them

Sure. I can sub in a copy or two of Caius and something like Reborn/Raigeki/Feather Duster for SRs, no problem. My choices are a bit limited, but the staples are all good enough that it doesn't matter.

Of course, since I hastily threw this together because I already had the free structure deck as a basis (Plus my own actual deck is the same archetype), it has no extra deck, so I can't comment much on having it vs not having it

kateee posted...

Wont be home until like 830 Pacific

Either of you still around then?

Nope. I'm pretty much always in bed by then too.

I threw together a Monarch deck that's both R/N only and no extra deck too, will be available for things after 6 Eastern or so

I also agree with any two of those being fine.

...Is "Exodia" an archetype? I spectated a game today that turned out to be a super sick-looking RML/Exodia deck, much better than my current Blue Eyes engine.

This is what I explicitly didn't want out of this game. Sucks.

kateee posted...

would you be able to do some in like 20-30 min.? mine do have (very bad) extra decks with generics though

Oh, I meant more in general going forward. Not tonight specifically. My bad, wasn't terribly clear.

I'm probably up to help people test decks. I can run my Flame Sprite deck into whatever you guys want to throw at me if you think it's worth for testing. I can also try to scrounge up some changes to the free Monarch structure deck to try to make that decent in a rarity lock format to help test.

But uh, Caius and Raiza are SR what the fuck

kateee posted...

yeah i would include them.

kateee posted...

"Monarch"

I see...

Even with the N/R only restriction I may still just run some kind of OG Monarchs for stuff like this and replace all the SR/UR spells and traps with other stuff. Resources are a bit of a pain though. As long as we're sticking to Master Duel, general rarity lock (With potential exceptions for the classic staples that the game gives you for free through solo mode - Reborn, Raigeki, etc) interests me more.

davidponte posted...

You can't dismantle cards from the Legacy Packs, I wish that were the case. I'd have a whole bunch of UR crafting points.

Oh, right. I even said that before lmao

In that case I just misremembered where I got that damn goat from, and have not gotten anything of note from legacy

davidponte posted...

That's kind of every deck now, though.

And this is why I play shit like Monarchs and Exodia. If I were to play a real meta deck, it'd be Dragonmaids since they A) don't seem to actually do that and B) aren't near as obnoxious-looking as Eldlich C) Big waifu energy (Raging Flame Sprite is still better tho)

I mentioned before on Discord that I got a Scapegoat that I dismantled before the tournament was announced. That was from a Legacy Pack.

Don't think I've gotten anything else of note from them.

PrinceReva posted...

It's the first time in forever that we're not subject to Tom Brady, the Patriots, Peyton Manning, or the Steelers

...Literally two years ago we had 3rd year (2nd starting) Mahomes vs the 49ers

(Also the Ravens were in the Super Bowl more recently than the Steelers too)

Hell yeah

I'll definitely be bringing at least one custom AlttP yaml for next time

I'd like to try OoT but even though I do know the game enough that I'm dead certain I could complete it with the help of a tracker, A) Z5Client is currently Windows-Only (Open pull request, but it's not there yet apparently) and B) I could not get Bizhawk running properly for lttp so I have my doubts about getting it working for OoT.

I'm half tempted to just hold my legacy tickets to see if another use for them comes out

Two cards per pack and you can't even dismantle them lol. But if I decide there's something I really want to try digging for without crafting, or I decided I want to try something else for classic format, I burn them. I'm only on like 15 anyways, iirc

davidponte posted...

Maybe the most interesting/feasible option would then be to remain in the classic format (possibly with a few more sets, the format right after goat had almost no game changing cards), but then create our own custom banlist/ruleset within that format.

This would be good, but the biggest problem is that Master Duel doesn't (currently?) support custom banlists even for friendly games, so all we could do is add things on to the modern list, not take things off of it

Sceptilesolar posted...

and would rather future restrictions be stuff like extra deck restrictions, card rarity restrictions, card number restrictions?

Agreed with these, though I do like the classic format

Archetype restrictions would be rather cool too if we played on a different simulator where we could build for free rather than Master Duel, but that seems like a less popular idea.

Waluigi1 posted...

And surrenders won't give you any event currency.

Still the worst thing about the game, considering how fucking slow and long a lot of decks can make a single turn.

Yeah, there's no way to play true goat format on Master Duel because of the banlist. Though, removing all of the draw staples hits literally every deck at least. Some a bit more than others, sure, but every single one is hurt by it.

kateee posted...

this is what i was planning to play ("Fairy Beatdown") before i found out the main searcher came out later and wasn't legal for classic format. rip

Yo this one looks sick. Damn shame you couldn't play it like you wanted.

davidponte posted...

For your Monarch deck, I'd probably add in a Caius and/or Thestalos mega monarch, they helped me out in my climb last season. I also ran a Vanity's Fiend, and only 1 Kuraz, but that was a personal preference thing.

Vanity's Fiend is great. I was swapping between it and Majesty's Fiend for a while, but ultimately settled on Majesty for the tournament because I thought Domain lock would be good enough on the summoning front - Eldlich and Dragonmaids generally make that not the case though. Will definitely look into Caius and Thestalos too. I appreciate that. I like Kuraz for special summoning it with Ehther for a free two pop, but I miss the timing on him half the time anyways because I keep forgetting that Return causes the miss and I use that probably more than I should. The Mega Monarchs make easy replacements for a copy or two of that.

kateee posted...

idk maybe some more generic strong monsters (Breaker, DD Warrior Lady, etc.) swapped out with some of the equip cards to hold the line. Morphing Jar for shenanigans. there's things like Giant Germ and Nimble Momonga to swarm from deck

These are generally good ideas, I think - Almost all of my frustration/failure with this deck was centered around my inability to get monsters. The biggest problem is that I need the equips to get Mucus Yolk off the ground since he has base 0 atk. Raging Flame Sprite can self-start, but is super vulnerable on her first turn without them. On the other hand, I don't need Kay'est at all (It doesn't +ATK, and targeting spell cards seem quite rare at least among what we all ran), and I probably don't need the protection from Mask of Restrict or Ekibyo Drakmord (Love this card to death though - Was in literally every deck I played irl), so they're easy drops. If I go the Germ/Momonga route, I'd also really want United We Stand but that's UR ugh

(Two of the games I lost I was holding both Crossouts and couldn't use either lol. It was half annoyance at those leading me to call it a brick)

Yup. GGs, good times. Played mostly competitively with everybody who beat me, classic format is silly but entertaining.

Now that I'm out of both, I'll post decklists. I posted the text version of the classic list on discord with a couple of thoughts on what sucked about it, but I'm shamelessly soliciting advice for improvement on either. The Modern deck is exceptionally cookie cutter Domain Monarchs while the Classic deck is a deck oriented around buffing up Raging Flame Sprite and/or Mucus Yolk to bypass enemy monsters for direct attacks (And locking down the enemy until the attackers are strong enough to survive).

Modern:
https://i.imgur.com/KEJET6i.png

Classic:
https://i.imgur.com/JkANdLQ.png

Reg 0-2 David in Classic

Reg 2-0 Bane in Modern

Actually, I lied, going to play Bane first since that's the bigger tournament, sorry

@davidponte I'll try making a room once you show online.
I tried making one to play Scep though and some random joined it (He had to make one instead) so I'm not sure I fully grasp the process

Reg 2-0 Scep in Classic Format

I'm now good for whenever too Scep.

Play David first if he's available because modern tournament is bigger though

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

After my haircut would probably work best for me, so like in 2 and a half hours or so?

Sounds good. @ me here or on Discord.

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

I passed out early last night, all I'm doing today is getting a hair cut and then Puppy Bowl draft at 3. Food shopping later too but we could probably do our match by then @Reg

I can play right now if you want. If not, I'll be available starting in about 90 minutes (I've gotta drop by a place that opens at the top of the hour, and expecting that to take about 30 minutes), and will be available literally all day, so just name the time.

Meanwhile I was most into the game in like 2004-2005 or so (After getting aforementioned bunch of cards), then had a bit of a resurgence in like 2008 or so, and had some friends that dabbled in simulators during the synchro and early xyz era (2011/2012 or so iirc?) but I never got seriously into it then and just ran meme decks with them (Yubel, Simochi/Nurse and Blue Eyes were my favorites, lol) instead.

Never really played competitively because I couldn't spend real money on the game, but I went to a couple locals and had fun seeing more serious players at least.

My classic deck is definitely not degenerate in the slightest but is hella fun in concept.

Very likely to be less fun in execution up against actual tournament-worthy stuff

But it's a more optimized version of something I tried and failed (for lack of some cards - I never bought much, especially because I wound up getting a mountain of relatively trash/common cards for free around 2004ish) to run IRL

Similarly, mine is Cat

Emeraldegg posted...

When you say not punishing surrender, is there something I'm missing? Don't you just not get a match reward and a loss? I don't really think that's a very harsh penalty compared to just losing, since end of match rewards are whatever anyway besides duel pass. I guess the ideal way would be to give you partial credit or something based on how long you're in a match but I can't think of a single pvp game ever that has adopted that path.

Match rewards include mission and duel pass progress. Which are a lot more valuable than the legacy packs or cards. If you surrender, you get the loss and it's otherwise like the game never happened for you. Which, when combined with the fact that players can and will grief you for trying to lose quickly when you know it's over, makes for an immensely frustrating experience.

Anyways, XYZ only sounds interesting, I'll totally bring a deck that's in the spirit of the event :^)

(Or hastily build something semi-trashy and cheap if actual XYZ summoning is important, not just leaving links/synchro/fusion out of the extra deck)

Maxx + Ash Blossom + Psy-Framegear Gamma (Fuck this one in particular, holy shit) Impermanence + Veiler (Though I haven't actually seen this one), it adds up...

Emeraldegg posted...

Yeah above all, I hate the people who just like to sit there and durdle. Another kinda dumb thing is how soon it will time you out if you don't make an input. Letting them durdle would be more bearable if you could just put the game in the background till you hear them finish. Instead it's like 30 seconds before it threatens to kick you out.

I just really think the timer should be a lot less and both players should see it, it would go a long way towards curbing the immensely long turns.

Yeah, this might be enough to get me playing ranked/with randoms again.

Alternatively, not punishing surrender would also do it.

Ranked is legitimately not fun. It's either you take your deck, get your combo off, and your opponent can't counterplay, or your opponent gets their combo off and you can't counterplay. It doesn't matter what deck you or your opponent is running.

Think I'm pretty much done outside of playing with you guys if/when that happens.

Reg posted...

The fact that this game punishes you for surrendering is absolutely ridiculous. They fucking want you to sit through your opponent's 15 minute turn when you have no counterplay and they had lethal at the start of the turn

Next game after this: I try to suicide my monster into their boss monster for lethal because I have zero outs and they negate the attack twice

This game is fucking stupid people won't even fucking win when it's handed to them for free

The fact that this game punishes you for surrendering is absolutely ridiculous. They fucking want you to sit through your opponent's 15 minute turn when you have no counterplay and they had lethal at the start of the turn

Emeraldegg posted...

I dunno if I'm reading it wrong or what, but I don't see anything about being able to banish something from your GY to prevent your BE destruction. It lets you set it once more from your GY if you summon a BE monster (which you'd I assume then have to wait till next turn to activate it per trap card rules) to then get its effect again according to that link.

The card he's actually concerned about is Cyberse Synchron, which has the banish-to-prevent-destruction effect. Dunno why he didn't link/name it...

https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Cyberse_Synchron