Lurker > Corrik7

Sheep007 posted...

I trust Ben's reads, but I trust my own a bit more, and I think the Muyo lynch is safer. Plus, let's face it, it's much more interesting than just sitting around for another two hours waiting for Corrik to flip.

I mean, I don't think for the funnziez is the best argument, but Idc right now. I am town, and this is a mislynch. If you are town, please go back and actually read the damn game. You being lazy is making it so scum can look town so easy by just putting any effort in at this point.

changmas posted...

(in response to chris). Are you standing by this, Corrik?

No.

Sheep007 posted...

seriously how are there still people in this game who think Chang is scum

I like that last post a lot from him.

Sheep007 posted...

Gonna throw a bit of a curveball in the mix, here.

##Vote: Muyo

Let's go! Choo Choo!

##unvote:
##vote: Muyo

Obviously not my first choice because I don't understand his claim from scum in this scenario, but he might have been using my scenario as cover to get by claiming why he would scan as scum in fear. Let's go! Somebody has to have coached that claim though if scum. No way a newbie came up with that stuff on his own.

TidusOfTheX posted...

How would bodyguard be drawing attention to yourself from scum?

The bodyguard claim was obviously fake. Like I said repeatedly. The arguments to lynch me were "Corrik is stupid". I said this time and time again. I thought people who played with me before *cough* Scare, Ben, Ulti *cough* would have been like obviously this is fake but it doesn't mean he is scum. Like Mzero said.

The fact they didn't is either laziness or a sign of their alignment. Jumping to get my mislynch instead of putting stuff together. It's why I don't even see the point anymore because I am actually trying to figure out the game and either town is lazy as fuck and it's giving newbies like Tidus and Muyo wrong jumping points if they are town, or scum is being allowed to dictate the game.

Like, okay. We all fucked up with Chris. But, let's not do it two days in a row?

PunishedBen posted...

Han wasn't dead until the start of day 3, so you couldn't have picked the role night 2, and thus wouldn't be suspicious of Chris day 3 like you claim.

Are you not reading? I was suspicious of Chris because I was backup. Dude, as confirmed town you need to literally start reading better and analyzing better. You have a free reign to do whatever and everyone know you are still town and you continually keep being lazy when you should think every day could be your last. They aren't going to keep confirmed town around long.

PunishedBen posted...

Also, you picked the role night 3 and you didn't pick doctor? Uhuh...

I sent the pm day 3 selecting Hans role. I got the role night 3 for usage. By the point I could have seen his flip and switched, I had already got the new role. So it was what is was.

PunishedBen posted...

So it just works every other night?

It doesn't have to be every other night. It just can't be consecutively. Every other night gets max usage though.

changmas posted...

Corrik can you clarify if this is meant to be a joke or if you're actually changing your claim to this

I am serious. I could choose which power to backup. It's why when someone mentioned how it worked I said some games worked this way. I was trying to draw a shot somehowbby making a claim that would look obviously fake and might make scum try to shoot me so I could block it. I didn't account for town letting scum mislynch me today for it. It's a gambit I run as town all the time and my play speaks for itself all game, so I am just perplexed.

I didn't know until night 3 when I got the role how it worked or I could have told you day 3 that Han was possibly not killed by a Strongman shot earlier. This BP is not an all game passive.

I did know with my role that I didn't think Chris was doctor though. This power is ruined now though. Scum can just roleblock and kill me now if they have a roleblocker. So, whatever.
And, no I didn't use it last night. I didn't think I would be the shot last night and needed to do something to become the prime shot. Everything about my flavor and role is true though besides I didn't get the first role to flip. Even my flavor paraphase is 100% accurate.

Corrik7 posted...

Ben is confirmed town, but if you know Ben he plays to try and become confirmed. Not to find scum. He does that as both alignments and just sheep's whoever he thinks is the best player alive. Nothing new here

This is 100% true and you know this.

PunishedBen posted...

Bitter scum theory

Corrik/Mzero/Chiri

Scare is town and the whole team has been annoyed at me. All three of these players have expressed they are without mentioning me by name. Well, Corrik finally did

I've mentioned you repeatedly. Read the game instead of being lazy.

MZero posted...

<3

the only thing giving me pause is that Corrik also went after Chris pretty hard. Would scum extend that much? Corrik is kind of a wild card as either alignment though, so it's possible

can't see Sheep being scum with Corrik (I mean, I have Sheep as solidly town, but some paranoia seems to be creeping in) because he jumped on death first post and Corrik followed him on. Doesn't feel right for all three of them to be scum.

Me going after Chris hard doesn't matter for alignment. I'll flip town, but Scare is scum and he has ONLY went hard after a mislynch yesterday and today. He has put no effort into the rest of the game. And he is skating by on it because Ben said he is town once so no one questions it. This town is super lazy. I hope if you are town that you can see through that Mzero. You and Sheep seem like literally the only two playing this game outside of me.

I'm literally not scum. I suggest people who actually want to play this game for real start taking the game more serious when they are at mylo tomorrow. For real.

##unvote:
##vote:Corrik

I'll flip Robin Town Backup Bulletproof The Bulletproof is an active power that can't be used consecutively. I chose to take this power over when it flipped.

Good luck.

Last scum are probably Scare, Tidus, and Chang. If Tidus is indy or someone here is town, Muyo, Ulti or Mzero is probably the last scum in that order.

Sheep is so town it literally hurts and if he is scum he is an S tier scum player. Ben is confirmed town, but if you know Ben he plays to try and become confirmed. Not to find scum. He does that as both alignments and just sheep's whoever he thinks is the best player alive. Nothing new here. Mzero seems to have made the most of his time and is posting the most straightforward stuff that makes sense to me all game after Sheep. I doubt he is scum. There is literally nothing on Ulti for him being scum. He hasn't done much as town, but that's a better case for being town than most in this game that are even confirmed town. So, you can't say much. Ulti loves to bus and die on purpose to make teammates look good as scum. So if he ends up being scum, look at who he bussed. Muyo claiming a role I never heard of out of nowhere late in the game when my lynch was being led by confirmed town in the game doesn't make sense to me as scum. To be fair, his play has done nothing to find scum at all this game. He looks totally lost. If he has teammates, he isn't getting help from them. Scare has done nothing all game besides fakeclaim to assure Chris's lynch and shut down all conversation surrounding it. His entire game is nonexistent from someone as town who usually does play. He tends to park votes as scum and not do much. This is more reminiscent of that. Chang has been measured all game like he is reading his posts 3 or 4 times before posting them. It's either a personality thing or a scum thing. Either way, normally this is scum behavior. Tidus is hiding behind a claim that he supposedly is refusing to use every night over and over. Don't be surprised if he is an indy or scum who is lying about taking votes multiple nights. I don't know him enough to know if he would gambit this way. But, its an amazing play as scum or anti-town as town or normal as Indy I suppose.

Good game, scum.

Corrik out.

Why can't I post

Ok cool. Let's hammer me and go to Mylo so I can stop wasting time on this then. Choo Choo

If you are town, go back and read me and Scare from the beginning of the game. Then tell me who looks worse because I think you guys are just stagnating every single day on what you want to lynch instead of actually trying to find scum. Seriously, what scare has done this game is surprisingly not much outside of fake claim mayor to help lynch Chris.

PunishedBen posted...

Nah there's a clear path to the end. Corrik > Mzero > Ulti or Chiri. Possibly enough days for all 4 to die

When I flip town and you are at Mylo, you sticking to this? Lol.

MZero posted...

Are you serious

Yes.

Fastbreak posted...

My confidence meter is a bit off, but nothing about corriks claim adds up. It should be damning, but I've got nothing else beyond that.

<.< >.>

Hedging for when I flip town???

Mzero, thoughts on Scare?

Fastbreak posted...

The game is what? 10 years old?

I don't think a Spoiler warning is needed

And it a very dumb thing to argue when you are claiming your role doesn't operate how its written. Being flippant on host meta is just suiting your needs

Huh

Ok fair enough. Usually games with flavor that have spoilers say not to join if you don't wish to be spoiled is all.

See I feel like there is no way that Luis put spoilers stuff into this game. Yet this is the second time people have posted spoilers to explain stuff.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I have a very hard time buying Marth being in the game but not Lucina.

Can you explain this more?

Sheep007 posted...

But yeah, probably no roleblocker. Scum had to gamble on killing Red because if he actually was tracker, three nights of info was far more than it was worth risking, considering who was left on the board.

Then they have a ninja imo or scum has someone who was confident scum was lying day 1. I actually considered they roleblocked me night 3. Me and you were the top unclaimeds on the board imo. If Tidus is town and can really take votes, they probably want that existing late in the game so they can eliminate 2 town votes at once for a day. Not sure how that works with the meta of roleblocking regarding him, but if they assessed if he is town that he is likely to mislynch it may provide cover for a scum vote or take away a town vote that could have hurt scum elsewhere I suppose.

Sheep007 posted...

I was legit considering claiming cop today to see the reactions and hopefully genuinely get myself shot but seeing myself get irritated by Scare's claim made me think it was a bad idea. I am genuinely kinda surprised there's been no solid new info today. I think this game is very scumhunting-centric, even more so than others. Which is absolutely godawful for us given the way this game has panned out since the mason claims.

I think that Luis is trying to prove that you don't have to rely on a crutch of investigative roles to play mafia. I think. There is way too much protective roles to off set nothing investigative.

I forgot Scare rescinded his mayor claim which took a confirmable off the board too. Hmmm.

Sheep007 posted...

I'm aware of all that. Just wanna maybe draw the shot and have some fun with the scum team, yanno? I reckon it'd be pretty funny if they thought I was cop. Which, to clarify, I am not. That was, in fact, a shitpost. I just scrolled through about four and a half topics of mafia again, and a hundred plus of your posts. Cut me some slack.

I was excited about having new information to find scum. Confirming a roleblocker and Chang and mzero as town would have narrowed everything squarely onto Scare, ulti, and muyo. But I am not out of the woods with Tidus either. It's just hard to fathom his claim when and how and the manner. Then again, muyos claim is mindblowing also. You being cop actually would have brought more credence to his claim. But, you being cop is likely unrealistic with the power and confirmables too. Which could make Tidus even worse if true, I suppose.

Plus, drawing a shot to yourself even if Vanilla seems pointless because most the game agrees you are town? I don't see the angle as town or scum here. It just seems odd. Lol.

I don't see the angle to be coy here like Chris told you about chang the other day. Scum already knows if you are lying or not probably. You are claiming a roleblock. They will know if they did or not. Also, if any of the people you just named are actually scum they know you are lying.

Um, okay.

Sheep007 posted...

also not saying I'm cop but if I were I would have scanned MZero town D1, Chang town D2 and been roleblocked last night

Is the chang thing why you were being coy with your scan???

Sheep007 posted...

Cool. Your reads sure do change on a dime, occasionally drastically and with little explanation, eh?

Anyone's reads should be able to change on a dime when new information is inserted into the game. You are either lazy, stubborn, or bad if your reads don't evolve and can't whiplash when information is inserted that would change them. How many people were sure Chris was scum yesterday? Him being town whiplashes reads instantly. Like my major thing on Ulti was a link with him and either Chris or Chang as scum. The Chang and Ulti link was predicated a lot with the Death interaction. Without these things here, Ulti comes out looking way better. Chang I don't know why is getting a free pass because he looks super measured this entire game and many times has been noncommittal. I get your scan, but I am not sure how much it means. I mean, it's a stronger reasoning if there is no roleblocker to have stopped it I suppose.

Sheep007 posted...

Okay, coming out of the first two days...

Corrik actually looks kinda fine? Like, there's a pretty clear reason why I had a neutral/town lean read on him up til yesterday, and I know he's a good player as either alignment. There's nothing that sticks out as godawful anywhere. There's also nothing that looks amazing? Like, there's not many things he did where I went "okay that probably ain't scum Corrik" either. I've come out of all of this with a shockingly neutral read and I'm almost leaning Muyo for the lynch today. One little question, though.

This post really rubs me the wrong way. For context, post #252 topic 2. In the space of about ten-ish posts from yourself, you switch quickly from thinking Death is scum to thinking he's town. You explain why in this post, but it feels a little much to switch from being possibly biggest pusher of his lynch along with me, to sticking him as Town.

I may be wrong, but I think this is your very next post addressing your read on Death, a topic and a half and an in-game day later.

There's no real explanation of your transition of reads, and this post came when the idea of a Death lynch gained some momentum again. You clearly start addressing the possibility of Death being scanned, and at the time it becomes obvious that there's only a few targets for my scan, you decide on the Death lynch. There's more than one explanation here, but one that sprung to mind was you realised there were only so many targets for my scan, and only one that would make you look good. In this scenario, Chang is Town, and you're scum. Chris is obviously scum. The remaining scan possibility is scum Death. His time is already pretty clearly limited, he probably used his vig shot, and it's really only a matter of time until he's lynched. I think at a surface glance, the Death stuff makes you look pretty great, but not so much when you look a bit closer.

I do feel better about Corrik after that readthrough, but that is a pretty glaring issue that I'd like to hear more about from the man himself.

Deaths play looked like crap, but he was the one to catch the write up inconsistency with Ulti right? It's why I said Ulti looks better today now that Chris is town and with knowing Death was scum. The two things that were against Ulti mostly have become completely false. I mean, Ulti still hasn't done much at all, but the things pointing against him have disappeared.

It had nothing to do with whatever reasoning you said. It was solely on the fact that Deaths claim matched the proper write up, ultis didn't. And I believe death was the one who caught it. It's why I suspected Chang for not noticing it and/or turning a blind eye to it.

Sheep007 posted...

Hey, Corrik, it sounds like a good time to reveal why you said this.

How did you come to this conclusion at the time and at what point did this opinion change?

It's based on my role. Everything starts to get too strong. And it was correct. Cop and tracker look like they apparently don't actually exist. Which lines up with what I thought based on my role.

Sheep007 posted...

"A bunch" might be overstating it. But on P9 of topic 2

and after Chris responded that a cop was not required, you said that...

I was speaking from me knowing I was a backup, yes. I didn't say we had too much scanning roles. I said we have too much confirmable+power. Obviously the gimmick is there isn't any really scanning power

changmas posted...

But then you have the same opinion as Sheep did. Despite you pointing this out (see bolded) in a way that makes it seem like you don't agree.

It wouldn't be a 100% clear in that scenario. Is this going to be a reading comprehension thing at this point?

I said it's not a 100% clear because they had nothing to fear by it.

I don't know what you are talking about. I literally said that the flavor scan was pointless now because he told scum how to negate it.

Sheep007 posted...

Also, c'mon Corrik. You spent a bunch of the last part of D1 arguing that town was too strong with their scanning roles. This is kinda throwing crap at the wall to see if it sticks now.

What???

changmas posted...

Tidus' scan item is a weak flavorscan that couldn't even be used on more than half of the players in the game yet you think it's strange that scum would let it go off no problem. But then you turn around and claim that scum shouldn't or wouldn't be roleblocking red because it's a weak scan. It's inconsistent logic.

I said scum had nothing to fear by the flavor scan if a roleblocker exists. It was going to be used against a small subset of the game to have any use, in which scum already was good there or scum had no reason to feel they would be targeted. Correct.

changmas posted...

First of all, the entire point of me responding to you was to say that IF a roleblocker exists, it is completely reasonable not to block a weak flavor scan that was very likely to never scan a scum player in the first place. You've led me on a complete wild goose chase beyond that singular point.

I think it's fairly likely at this point that there isn't a roleblocker. But it's still worth considering a scenario where there is one. And I think you're out of your mind if you think they aren't on Red/Tidus n1. And we know Tidus wasn't roleblocked because we saw his vote count as 2 and Sheep's count as 0.

I think the obvious choice would be Tidus, the remaining claimed power role. But he didn't attempt a night action, so we simply don't know.

The obvious option from scum is to hunt a doctor or cop to roleblock. A tracker early game after night 1 (Night 2 and 3ish) especially is a very weak scanner, especially if they have a check for it like a ninja. Scum has spent powers (Ala death's vig) etc. Say normally you have half the scum team moving night 2, the trackers needs to not only Scan a scum but a moving scum and also hopefully not out actual town power in the process. In fact, the biggest POINT FOR a roleblocker blocking red every night is if one of you Vanilla claims like you or Ulti is the roleblocker. Because you would have to move every night after you already said you don't.

If you aren't the roleblocker you could just shuffle who put the night kills in unless the jack theory is right also, so Vanilla being Jack or roleblocker is pretty much the scenario that must ensures that Red being roleblocked every night makes sense.

If a roleblocker doesn't even exist, Tracker is even that much weaker to scum. They can't roleblock it in that scenario but they likely don't care about it either at that point. It's a 25% chance to hit actual scum in the process, can obscure scum as not moving when they could put night kills in later, or even reveal town power to scum.

It's like no one in this game has even thought through anything and is just like "meh Corrik is stupid". Like, Chris was facing the same stuff from a lot of you. I would like to think he actually respected me and a few others who actually made arguments based on his play, and I see why he just was like resigned and fuck it after awhile. Lazy town is letting scum lead mislynches. Put some effort actually in and make sense of what is ahead of you.

changmas posted...

who are they roleblocking then, if not red n1/n2 or tidus n1 or sheep n2? this is extremely pedantic and frankly ridiculous. of course it's a theoretical possibility. it makes very little practical sense though.

I mean, multiple people here thought red was lying about his claim right? The only person I really see anything about roleblocked is Ulti saying red basically said he was roleblocked, which I myself didn't see. Anyone could have been roleblocked. Like, honestly, we assume red was shot because he claimed tracker but what if red was just shot because after Chris Han and me he was the strongest player left and had less suspicion than me?

Like, the fact I am not dead right now I am sure has completely to do with the fact that like 10 people yesterday said if Chris is actually town I am scum. Almost the entire game was on Chris, so that means most of scum with most of town also.

Scum wanted that Chris flip as town that day, and I was always the number 1 target after it.

Assuming red was roleblocked is questionable though unless you know more than the game. Nobody has claimed roleblocked today either.

If anything, maybe people should be more suspicious of the fact Ulti said red was roleblocked when I don't think red said that or that you seem to keep acting as if it's a given without any thought whatsoever of where the roleblock went night 3 then.

Like, if Red was roleblocked night 1 and 2. He surely wasn't night 3. Which then who would I roleblock night 3. Not Ben right? Honestly it would have to be sheep or me or mzero or outside chance Ulti if we are assuming everyone is town here.

I don't think if you are town you fakeclaimed Chang, there was no reason to not believe Scare was mayor if town from scum eyes since he literally tried to murder Chris with it. And muyo if town has been clueless and not showing anything to give away a role. Ben clearly isn't a power.

So, I mean, why hasn't this crossed your mind? It looks bad for me to conveniently have no action to not be able to claim a roleblock I suppose, but if I was scum I would know where roleblocks went and be able to claim whatever and roleblocked for all the prior nights if they were on red? Right? Or anyone scum could do that if your roleblock on red scenario was right. Why isn't that happening? Isn't that more of a point in the favor of one not even existing? Or that someone who is still alive was roleblocked night 1 and 2 so scum can't claim them themselves because of possibility of counter?

changmas posted...

I'm not addressing whether or not a roleblocker exists, your first sentence in the quote I took from you already acknowledges a scenario in which one does.

Just because a roleblocker could exist doesn't mean that red was ever roleblocked.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ben, why do you keep assuming Sheep is town?

Also, if no roles existed Tidus would be far and away the scummiest player in this entire game.

Facts. Ben wouldn't be far behind him either.

The laziness in this game is astounding.

changmas posted...

I think it's pretty logical that they would continue to roleblock red, who they presumably still believe to be a tracker, over a fairly weak flavor scan. Few players had claimed to that point, and the most likely targets of the scan (Chris, myself, and perhaps Ulti) are likely all town. Or, as you've pointed out, people could've gotten lucky and claimed the same weapon type and would also have nothing to fear. Why should they be concerned about a flavor scan that probably can't implicate any of them over a claimed tracker who could?

Well, I mean, if you are scum that had the right weapon type, you had nothing to fear.

Sheep got one weapon back right? I have two myself. So, that makes the odds even higher of having the weapon as scum. But, I guess scum wouldn't know how the scan worked.

changmas posted...

I think it's pretty logical that they would continue to roleblock red, who they presumably still believe to be a tracker, over a fairly weak flavor scan. Few players had claimed to that point, and the most likely targets of the scan (Chris, myself, and perhaps Ulti) are likely all town. Or, as you've pointed out, people could've gotten lucky and claimed the same weapon type and would also have nothing to fear. Why should they be concerned about a flavor scan that probably can't implicate any of them over a claimed tracker who could?

You don't know red was ever roleblocked tbqh

PunishedBen posted...

And I don't really want to imagine WHY Corrik did it. I notice he really wants me to discuss that too. That should say enough why he thinks this claim is a good idea. This isn't a case where he was super safe from getting lynched today and then put himself in a situation that looked bad. This is him cornered at an all time low. He admitted everyone wants to lynch him and that he was giving up. Then he came back with this claim

Nobody that is scum is cornered right now. They are literally closer to winning than town and have neutralized all the main roles of town. You have 2 mislynches vs 3 scum left. You have eliminated a Bulletproof and a Doctor. You have zero people claiming scans of any sort against them. Scum is sailing right now. Are you even playing the same game as everyone else?

Once I am mislynched town is literally at mylo.

PunishedBen posted...

This part killed any semblance of serious pondering I was giving to your plea. The fact that you're just trying to implant any doubt into us at this point since a few people have said they think you might be lying town. Which is obviously not the case lol

Made it very clear I am not lying. I just pointed out how little you are actually analyzing and being lazy.

I see a lot of lazy play this game though, sometimes from surprising sources. A lot of people using Rule 1 arguments, a lot of people using setup arguments solely, flavor meta arguments, role meta arguments, and there has been very little actual analysis outside of a few people.

Scare's only analysis of play this entire game happened to get Chris lynched which evolved from Rule 1! To lynch who I said or I will mayor the lynch! To finally some analysis.

Sheep has been the most analytical player so far which is why it is hard to come to any conclusion he is scum. Like trust me, I tried to make it work just out of paranoia. I cannot. However, he has basically ceded that if Chang is scum that he is okay losing the game just based on luck. Which is weird. That's pretty lazy. He assumes there was a roleblocker but then thinks they let a flavorscan go off no problem. And thinks his flavorscan is a 100% clear. Personally I don't know the flavor that well, but I think it's basically a scenario where someone assumes a godfather is town if scanned and loses the game over it because they can't think about it more.

Tidus has had basically zero analysis that I can find. He just basically says he is against someone and just is. I think his Chris lynch is covered by his CLAIMED ability to use a protective ability. But, he is also claiming he is purposely not using abilities which is headscratching for his supposed role. Claiming it was anti-town though also.

Ulti has played it safe but most of the arguments against Ulti have disappeared with Chris being Town. There still is the fact he typed his vanilla claim out in wrong format, but Death was scum and had his correct so it kinda removes that argument also. Ulti has been lazy also besides a spurt towards the end of day 1, but there isn't much that looks bad either.

Muyo hasn't done much and has to be spurred to do stuff. I have mostly done the spurring along with Han. Someone asked why I didn't follow up on a post calling out Muyos certainty but they missed where I think Ben answered the question for him and I put *shakes head disgustingly* I mean, he is riding on a claim that seems silly as hell to make as scum at this point. He seems lost on his reads whenever he makes them.

Mzero has been pretty solid when he does stuff. Again it is a question of actually getting him to do stuff. He says that people are not engaging with him so he isn't saying much, but there is topics of posts to engage with. You don't need someone here to actively engage with, though I do understand the context of moment does matter at times. Another people that is being lazy.

The theme is laziness and it is undoubtedly letting scum sneak by doing nothing.