Lurker > ctesjbuvf

Kirby321 posted...

Ctes, I'm voting for you because this whole "I suspected Kirby this entire time because I'm also Miller" in spite of Lea's flip and overall unwillingness to take in current information to make reevaluations on your reads just makes it seem like this whole Miller claim thing was rehearsed and planned for way in advance.

You sound like you had a seemingly well-thought-out plan that should absolve you, but you're getting mad because nobody believes it.

The fact that Lea was a proven Miller and you still latched on to me because I also claimed Miller is just unreasonably stubborn. If you know for a fact there's two Millers, why does a third one seem so absurd?

If we're wrong, we're wrong, but Lopen is dead to rights anyway. You certainly have not been doing yourself any favors if you are town.

I've literally reevaluated today, but also, if there are actually 3 millers in a game of 15, it's BS.

I didn't have any well thought out plan, but you're all being stupid or scum not considering this more. But also as scum you're gonna look stupid afterwards, so yes, you're all being stupid.

What kind of an argument even is that. If there's two millers there might as well be three? That's ridiculous. That's a significantly increase in chance to screw over a cop.

Lopen is literally saying lynch your best roles through the weirdest setup meta ever instead of looking at interactions throughout the game and make sense of them. You don't say yes to that. Bodyguard isn't doctor but it isn't a bad role.

Decoy is a bad scanner though, so bad that it's not even a scanner a little bit.

I'm not a ninja. I'm so far from it that people are being told if they are spotted by me.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Kirby, bad as his role is, is technically a scanning role. Sort of.

Are you actually saying these words.

Lopen is even going on about some plan that literally sucks. He's telling you to waste your money on items to test his phychic number. That would be the worst plan.

None of you even tries to explain why Lopen's claim makes more sense than mine. You just somehow come to that conclusion without thinking despite my claim making all the more sense in this setup based on literally everything we know.

changmas posted...

ctes you are too concerned about your initial reads being right. if you're wrong, you re-evaluate your reads and move on. no big deal.

This post really sounds like chang knows I'm town. He just didn't know I had more reason to follow those reads.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Bro, if you actually are town, then Lopen is scum and dies tomorrow. Town wins either way. Not even bringing that up is telling enough.

Like, this post is so bad. The same literally goes the other way around, only you risk losing a far worse role. And I literally brought up what it says I didn't.

Allowing Lopen to kill the only scanner in the game (confirmable scanner even) with a phychic claim is trash tier play.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Yet you're using the same logic to think town doesn't have a single scanner in a game that has decoys and ninjas and motion detectors.

The rest of you should seriously consider this point too. I refuse to believe everyone is stupid enough to not consider this more before killing the only claimed scanner and that's as nice as I can say that.

UltimaterializerX posted...

The roles are so mad that town literally has zero protection. Amazing logic.

Yet you're using the same logic to think town doesn't have a single scanner in a game that has decoys and ninjas and motion detectors.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Bro, if you actually are town, then Lopen is scum and dies tomorrow. Town wins either way. Not even bringing that up is telling enough.

I've literally already said that though.

This is coming from someone who hasn't played that great a game, but I will still say it's ridiculously stupid to instantly vote a confirmable watcher claim because of a damn phychic claim by a person that I ironically was the one who felt best about. It's both frustrating and something hillarious that three people instantly believed Lopen over me. Like, I don't even get why.

If everyone is so certain that claiming miller now and not sooner is so stupid, then try to ask yourself why I'd do that in my position.

Obellisk posted...

Did you say I didn't scan you? I dont remember seeing that but could have glossed over it.

Topic 6 post 258.

changmas posted...

what's your shard upgrade ctes

Poison sting. If I decide to use it, it poisons a random player that visited the place I played the plague ward. It can not be me or the person I placed it at.

Like, several of you thought Lopen looked terrible today. You don't wanna consider that read a bit more?

Man my own reads has been ass this game though. I was completely thrown off by two people claiming miller before I opened topic 1. At least, if I die, two people are screwed.

I thought Lopen looked like the most dominant town on day 1 burying a very strong scum role. This was still true day 2, even though he was less good that day.

No good town player doesn't take more time to consider if Lopen is the liar here before voting their best claimed role btw. Watcher isn't something you fake either.

I considered claiming miller sooner a lot, I can tell you, and I would have with a worse role. But I have made it clear I didn't believe two other miller claims and that I quite frankly will say it's bs if they're all true. I've hinted towards knowing more and that I knew SBell didn't scan me. My first post of the game says I'm miller if you read the first letter of every sentence lol.

Lopen was my best guess for a night kill was the reason.

Seriously, day is more than 24 hours yet. Do consider once more if I ever make this claim if it's not true before killing your best role so far.

I have been very clear that I thought them both being millers was BS in all I have said and done basically. If I had a less useful role I would have said it sooner, but I did not want claim watcher without anything useful to go by.

I mean, you can lynch me and then Lopen is dead to rights tomorrow, maybe even Kirby eventually, but why is everyone believing him more than me and want to lynch one of a few rare seemingly good roles you have?

Nah Plague Ward is even confirmable, you get told if you are spotted.

Also now that I have finally claimed miller, literally everything I have done in the game should make sense. There's a hint about this in my very first post of the game but I didn't want to claim watcher d1.

Well my opinion has drastically changed on Lopen.

After D1 I thought Lopen looked the best on the Sultan lynch. I also considered placing it at Han or Corrik. I still thought Lopen was a better kill n2 than MZero or Ulti would be.

Lesale Deathbringer
Miller Watcher - Watching someone is placing a Plague Ward at them, but it's basically standard watcher. Night action.
No item

Watched Lopen x2, no other visitors but me there. Nothing day 1, checked shop and bought nothing day 2.

These are long minutes.

Alright a second, that should all be fine.

The time is now :55:00

How old are those games?

I mean, there's no particular time, I'd just like to sleep not too late and also not mass claim and instantly go to sleep, it's almost 11pm here.

Perhaps we just see what SBell says and if he hasn't said anything in like an hour, then maybe tomorrow instead.

I can accept. But not without SBell, then rather no one.

Just summing that up incase it becomes relevant.

So Kirby, Ulti, Lopen and chang supports this idea.

SBell and I are iffy, but not against it.

Red thought it was a bad idea.

Poppy and MZero are not really around.

I mean, if anyone thinks they have useful information to share, they could just claim regardless with good faith. I'm worried we'd just end up with a bunch of claims that all sounded fine by themselves and then scum has free info. But if everyone is up for it I'm also not gonna insist on not doing it.

You were forgiven a bit for Count Dooktwo when I learned your character was literally a Star War. Anyway, this is just pointless referencing to a previous game.

Massing doesn't feel like the perfect idea, but I'm also a bit stuck atm.

I remember Ulti wanting to mass to SW&P. Chris was the primary voice against it which helped him win the game in the end, ironically.

I like this idea less with MZero I must admit.

SBell, chang, Lopen and I can all do same time if we think that's useful.

I suppose it's hard unless MZero gets up semi early and I stay up semi late.

If I'm to same time mass with anyone today, it must be within the next ~2 hours, otherwise tomorrow. I'll rather sleep early today so I can perhaps stay up until deadline.

That would be fun but also something I absolutely don't want to meta.

And now we can drop stupid ideas about testing that role.

Red being hammerer is more amusing than Death being Death Delayer.

I also didn't respond until the next day at some point because I was asleep though someone brought up it was probably a typo of some sort since it doesn't make sense for any alignment.

Red has never voted no.

Kirby321 posted...

Ulti, remind me again why you thought Ctes was town by the end of the day. Because this right here is an excellent post. I don't know why Ctes said that at all when you've been boisterous the entire day, which is very apparent from just having all of your D1 posts in one place.

Ulti wasn't around for a good amount of day 1, that was fair but true. I already explained I screwed that formulation up by mixing two sentences together.

We're not hammer testing. Well I know I can't stop you but plan sounds horrible.

Ulti did mention that he didn't know Lea's alignment.

When is that MCU game from? Tried to find it in the logs

Can I get reminded why Roshan specifically was even brought up to begin with? It makes sense after Corrik's flip, but on d1?

I mean yes, but it's a better reference if more than one person would get it. I'd say you'd need a couple more to not risk having the people supposed to get it die.

The idea that was a random on a list of 5 is bad.

How many people would get that reference?

Stop any talk about trying to learn something about hammerer. That's no ideal play, way to good a chance you just kill red in that case and for what reason? Learning the identity of a role you don't know the alignment of?

Kirby321 posted...

I'm not opposed to voting Red. I'm a believer that Corrik's death was from visiting either Red or Ctes, given that both were on his town list.

Why did you not consider that yesterday when Poppy (or yourself) was attacked a lot for this?